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On "Running Up the Score"

"You're controlling a game, even though you may say it's winning ugly. We're still ahead 12-3 and totally controlling the game with 3 minutes, 29 seconds and the ball. That's how fragile a season can be." - Nick Saban

That quote, of course, came after the 12-10 victory over Tennessee when late in the fourth quarter the unthinkable happened: Mark Ingram lost a fumble.  Though we were in control of the game with a nine point lead, Tennessee was able to get a quick score and we had to block a field goal to survive.  In hindsight, had we not blocked that kick, our national title dreams would have effectively ended (you'd have seen Texas and Cincinnati in Pasadena, most likely).  I bring this all up in response to all the "outrage" over Trent Richardson's last touchdown and how Alabama was so "classless" in running up the score.  Yes, up by ten points with just over a minute to go, Alabama could have simply taken a knee and given the ball back to Texas with little time left on the clock, but since Longhorn fans are so fond of playing the "what if?" game these days, why don't we play one of our own?  What if McElroy goes under center in the victory formation and, full of excitement and no longer focused on the game, fumbles the snap and Texas recovers?  What if Vlachos doesn't deliver the ball properly for the same reason?  What if the Texas d-line, which had been having it's way with our offensive line all night, disrupts the exchange?  You're giving the ball back to an offense that had scored very quickly to get back in the game.  Up 24-6 we took our foot off the pedal in the third quarter and look what happened.  Though it was highly unlikely that Texas was going to still pull it out after that last INT, you never know what's going to happen in a football game and you have to execute for 60 minutes no matter what.  Besides, if you don't want Richardson going in, maybe your top ranked run defense shouldn't let him break off 17 yards on first down to set up first and goal.  I'm just saying...

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It was just

a compliment to the TX offense. :)

Auburn fans are like slinkys... not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

by IHC800 on Jan 10, 2010 6:13 PM CST reply actions  

Thank you ...

Texas knew the run was coming, so its “vaunted” defense should have stopped the Tide. It didn’t. Too bad. Roll Tide.

"You either have to be first, best or different." ~ Loretta Lynn

by SoundCheckMama on Jan 10, 2010 6:20 PM CST reply actions  

Vaunted

You keep using that word.

by mnHorn on Jan 10, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you have an issue with the word "vaunted"?

‘Cuz if it’s good enough for Milton, I figure it’s good enough for us.

by rugman11 on Jan 10, 2010 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

No issue.

I just think you all don’t know what it means. You keep putting it in quotation marks, implying that someone called the Texas run D vaunted. You guys called it that. The defense might have actually been vaunted, but we never called it that. You did. So there’s no need to call it “vaunted” when vaunted will do just as well, with more meaning.

by mnHorn on Jan 10, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

My guess

was that it was more the quotation marks than the word itself. I mean, the Texas D IS vaunted. To put it in quotation marks seems to imply that someone has incorrectly claimed that OTHER people claim the Texas D is great

by billycthulhu on Jan 10, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

What I love about this argument...

…is that it is exactly no more or less trivial than all the others I’ve been reading about our win.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 10, 2010 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

well

the victory formation is pretty much set up to make it nearly impossible to lose the ball even if mistakes are made, is it not?

But the point absolutely still stands. It’s ridiculous to suggest that we shouldn’t go for a final TD to seal the game deep in Texas territory rather than give them even 18 seconds to try to score twice.

by billycthulhu on Jan 10, 2010 6:23 PM CST reply actions  

Nearly Impossible...

to have a shuttle pass intercepted and run back for a TD, and that happened

I'm in no condition to drive...wait! I shouldn't listen to myself, I'm drunk.

by That Other Dave on Jan 10, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And we all know how good our special teams are...

Beat Auburn? CHECK. 12-0 regular season? CHECK. Beat the #1 Gators for the SECCG? CHECK. Ingram wins the Heisman? CHECK. Tide defeats the Longhorns for the BCS Championship? CHECK!

by UtahBammer on Jan 10, 2010 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Just like it's ridiculous to suggest...

….we tried to run up the score. We ran as vanilla of a run play as you could ever ask for and got 17 yards out of it. Not our fault they haven’t seen backs like Ingram and Richardson before the last game of the season.

Roll Bama Roll - The Champagne of Bama Blogs.

by Todd on Jan 10, 2010 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely

This complaint is by far the most irritating I have heard from Texas fans. I can at least understand the “what if McCoy had stayed in” quandaries. It’s only natural. But like you said, look at the Tennessee game. If Mack Brown really would have taken a knee at that moment (as Texas fans are so sure), he’s not as good of a coach as I thought he was. And Mack Brown didn’t seem to think the game was over either, or else Texas wouldn’t have kept trying to move the ball down the field so quickly.

by billycthulhu on Jan 10, 2010 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just going to say,

that if Texas didn’t want us to score again, they should have taken their "OMG #1 RUN DEFENSE!!111" (tm Todd) and stopped us. I wanted to score again because I was scared as hell that they could still come back. I would think they would take that as a compliment.

by rugman11 on Jan 10, 2010 6:48 PM CST reply actions  

I've never seen it.

I’ve seen coaches call the victory formation to run out the clock. I’ve never seen a coach call it and then punt. Not saying it hasn’t happened, but expecting that in the MNC game only up 10 after all the wacky crap that had gone down already? That’s delusional. 18 seconds was enough for two nothing-left-to-lose plays to tie or win. Not on my watch, sir.

by rco3 on Jan 10, 2010 7:01 PM CST reply actions  

BUT OMG SABAN IS EVIL

AND SO CLASSLESS THAT’S WHY HE RUNS UP THE SCORE JUST LIKE AGAINST FLORIDA

by billycthulhu on Jan 10, 2010 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

ahem

But really, I don’t know what they were expecting us to do. It’s not like we’d punt it from the 27 or 5 yard line. So… were we supposed to let it turn over on downs? Kick a field goal on 4th down to “run up the score” by a little less?

by billycthulhu on Jan 10, 2010 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Who was that we did that against?

Was it Arkansas where we actually did let it go over on downs like, in the red zone?

Found it: Up by 28 with 4:57 to go, on 4th and 15 at the Arkansas 19, Terry Grant (4th string, people!) rushes for 5 yards and we give the ball over on downs. McElroy threw two passes in that quarter, and then only to keep the chains moving and get that puppy OVER. Under five minutes, even that wasn’t enough to convince Saban to call a pass.

Yup, just another typically classless Saban move. So, do we respect Arkansas more because we stopped trying against them or Texas more because we acted as if they could still beat us? I’m so confused.

Or do we respect Arkansas more because they COULD stop us, and Texas couldn’t?

by rco3 on Jan 10, 2010 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

28 points?

A little different than two scores.

by tide96 on Jan 11, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

not when you consider the time

2 scores with 1 minute to go isn’t much different than 4 scores with 5 minutes to go. The likelihood of blowing the lead is about the same. Nil.

by skigator93 on Jan 12, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Really?

Because I’ve seen Bama score with about a minute to go, down two scores, get the onside kick, then score again to win. And UT could have done the same to us this year…with a quality kicker…against a team without a mountain in the middle….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 12, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

When you saw Bama score those 2 TDs in a minute

did Bama have a true freshman QB in his first meaningful game against the top defense in the country?

Didn’t think so.

by skigator93 on Jan 12, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually...

…it was a true freshman QB, but I don’t remember what LSU’s D was ranked….

And didn’t UF have the top defense in the country this year? I mean, for a while, anyway?

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 13, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

true freshman at midseason

is not the same as true freshman in first game….and yes, for part of the season, UF did have the top defense, at least, insofar as scoring is concerned.

by skigator93 on Jan 14, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

True...

…but Bama’ true freshman wasn’t’ surrounded by BCS title game talent and coaching…we weren’t even a contender for the conference title…but you’re right, it wasn’t his first meaningful game, just his first meaningful win.

The point is that the likelihood is not ‘nil’. Improbable? OK. Unllikely? Fine. But ‘nil’? No way.

Your posts usually seem sincere, but if you really don’t see the difference between this particular instance and some of Meyer’s late-game moves, then you might want to either reexamine each of those instances, admit to homerism, or just drop it. And not as much for our benefit as your own.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 15, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Homerism

Is rationalizing tacking on a score when one’s own team does it and calling it poor sportsmanship when others do it.

by skigator93 on Jan 17, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

You're so blind....

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 18, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

that was classless, todd

not to mention awesome, completely correct and bound to be ignored by the whiners in the longhorn fanbase as well.

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by kleph on Jan 10, 2010 7:17 PM CST reply actions  

OMG! LOL RMOFL LAKLHKGIT!!!!

Wait for it…I hear a thundering herd of pissy, overly-sensitive Longhorn fans coming this way lol

You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008

by BamaReturns07 on Jan 10, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure of the exact time left

but you don’t take a knee unless you can run out the whole clock. At the game I was so excited I thought we could run the clock out by taking a knee and thought we would. But I guess there was time for Texas to get the ball back. If Texas had told us, "Hey we won’t call any timeouts then maybe we take a knee. But the bottom line is you play to win, and if taking a knee is the best way to win, take a knee. If running is the best way to win, run it.

And, wasn’t it Texas bragging about only 5 rushing TD’s on them all year. Maybe we wanted to put up 4 rushging TD’s to let them know a thing or two about running the ball in the SEC.

And didn’t UF REALLY run it up on Cincy? Didn’t hear anyone complaining about Urban. I guess since he is sick he is off limits.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Jan 10, 2010 7:50 PM CST reply actions  

Urban...

…running it up and being a douche ain’t anything new. Ask Georgia.

by BigBamaDaddy on Jan 10, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

That's reserved for teams

who want to rush the field and all do the Icky Shuffle after a 1st quarter TD….

by skigator93 on Jan 10, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I do miss the Icky Shuffle....

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 10, 2010 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Talking about the pot calling the kettle black

Tim Tebow was still in the game up 51-10 on Cincy. And how many timeouts did you call against Georgia? Are you, a UF fan, really going to call somebody, no no, not just somebody, Mark Richt and Nick Saban, classless? Against Tenn Tech Georgia went up 30-0 at half, put in the second string BEFORE halftime and didn’t pass the ball in second half. What did you guys do to Charleston Southern or any of the 3 FCS teams you played this year? Your star QB texted Meyer saying “save some timeouts for UT” because of Kiffin. Meyer has made bad sportsmanship a part of his program, and I only hope it all collapses in on him.

by elfcrash on Jan 10, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

First of all....

I never called anyone classless – Mark Richt, Nick Saban or anyone else.

Second, all I said was that calling unnecessary timeouts to prolong the agony in a blowout was merely a message from Meyer to Richt that he didn’t appreciate the dancing stunt in the previous season’s game. Notice that despite the timeouts, Meyer did not try to score another late TD, which would not have been all that difficult at the time.

I don’t think that Meyer has made bad sportsmanship a part of our program, and since you appear to be accusing Tebow of being a bad sport too, I’ll just take your comment for what it’s worth.

by skigator93 on Jan 12, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually

I think you were one of the most voal about Urban running it up against Cincy. Meanwhile he was “running it up” with 2 minutes left by handing the ball right up the middle to a 4th string true freshman running back.

The BCSCG was over. There was LESS than a minute left and yall were on the 2. It was 2nd down. You could have run victory formation and taken a knee and run the clock out. I’m not sure of Texas’ timeout situtaion, but even if they had them, I doubt they would have called them, because then you just run it in on 3rd down with no remorse.

Saban tacked one on – I have no problem with it at all, but don’t try to sit there and rationalize it by saying the game was in doubt and what if you fumbled the snap and the true freshman with 5 INTs already leads Texas on a 98 yard drive, then onside kick, then….yeah.

by skigator93 on Jan 10, 2010 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

FYI

last year Texas ran the ball in for a touchdown against Texas A&M with 2 minutes left. The score at the time was 42-9.

Frankly Texas fans just need to shut the hell up when it comes to talking about Alabama running up the score.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Jan 10, 2010 8:19 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Good point.

All Texas did all year was run it up and you can see that by the fact that Gilbert had played so little even though Texas was beating people by 35.

This could almost be a case of what goes around comes around except for one thing- we were only up by 10 and we only won by 16- hardly a Texas style blow out.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Jan 10, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions  

My $0.02 here.

You are able to complain about “running up the score” in exactly two situations in college football:

1) Rent-a-win games. Keeping your starters in when the game is decided is tacky.

2) If you’re a bitch who can’t handle competition.

That’s it. If it’s not a rent-a-win type game, that means you should be fielding a defense good enough to stop it. If you can’t stop what’s coming, then the problem is not on the sideline across the way.

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Jan 10, 2010 8:26 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

There is one other time you can

complain. When the media does not like your opponets coach.

The media, escpecially some ESPN heads, don’t care much for Saban for all the reasons Bama players and Bama fans like him—he is relentless!!

So, if the media doesn’t like the other coach and you get beat, just complain about him running it up.

The media likes Urban and Tebow and when they ran it up they were left alone.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Jan 10, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I've hated Urban

Ever since he ran it up against the Vols Tebow’s heisman year. I hate to make calls about “running it up” — but throwing deep passes up by 2+ scores late in the 4th quarter equates to that, in my mind.

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by bobo_the_vol on Jan 11, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

well don't get mad at the other team....

Get mad at your own program for not recruiting good enough players and coaches to stop it. I was in Knoxville for the 45-3 Vols victory over the Gators in ‘90. I didn’t complain then (or ever) about anyone running the score up on my team. Have at it. Our team’s job is to stop you.

by skigator93 on Jan 12, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Wait...

….so Colt shouldn’t have thrown 470 yards against UCF?

So despicable, that Mack Brown.

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by animalcracker on Jan 10, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

You know what?

I have no issue with the last touchdown. It didn’t even occur to me when I was watching the game.

I have, however, noticed the large number of you using the word “bitch” when talking about us. So, if we’re on the whole classless debate, calling people bitches is pretty classless. And go ahead and find all the instances of Texas fans using the word, or calling Saban a classless douche, etc. Doesn’t change the fact that YOU, SIR, are just the same.

Look me up, and see that some of my post-game comments were pretty shitty and uncalled for. I recognize my idiocy. I was also drunk and about an hour removed from the game, but that’s no excuse. You won, and it’s been four days. Do you have an excuse?

You know, when we won in 2006, I didn’t give two shits what anyone had to say about it. Nothing could have changed my mind about the game, and nothing could have made anything but giddy about that crystal football. I certainly didn’t call the other team bitches, or disparage the coaching staff or fanbase.

Why don’t you all try to enjoy your victory? It’s supposed to be fun.

by mnHorn on Jan 11, 2010 3:04 AM CST up reply actions  

So you have an excuse and you feel better?

grow up horn….you guys won it 4 years ago….get over it

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by The Voice of Reason on Jan 11, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Aight, brah.

You missed my point, but so what. You guys seem to enjoy your victories as much as I enjoy doing my taxes. And get over a championship? OK, tell me when you’ve “gotten over” yours. Dumbest thing I’ve heard around here.

by mnHorn on Jan 11, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry you don’t like it, but this is a fairly common recurring theme in college football, and there’s not another word that expresses the same meaning quite so well. It’s not a Texas thing — Texas fans are just the most recent violators.

It’s almost like the breed of fan who likes to whine about “running up the score” doesn’t understand the implication inherent in that statement that your team isn’t good enough to play with the big boys and, therefore, needs you to take mercy on them.

I don’t like it, but I can at least understand the complaints when it happens in conference play against a down team. But, seriously? You’re in the national championship game with a defense people spent the entire preceding month talking about and you still need your opponents to go easy on you?

It’s either grasping at straws and looking for any excuse to divert from the facts (that Alabama won), or Texas didn’t belong in the game. There’s no in between.

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Jan 15, 2010 7:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Alabama ran up the score against us

This Year!!!!11 U were up by like 3 at one point and ur defense is like pwn but u did not take knees :( y u no take kneez?!

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by bobo_the_vol on Jan 11, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I remain convinced

That Saban was trying to get the ball close enough to the goal line to let The Legend run one in.

by bobthemonkey on Jan 10, 2010 9:28 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Wow. Would have been a classic.

But we really have gotten the business for that.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Jan 10, 2010 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I asked this question ...

… pretty much as it happened. There were a few answers at the time, but I wasn’t completely satisfied. I was pretty worried that it was a classless move on our part (and no I don’t care that other schools run up the score on a regular basis….. It’s not about who they are it’s about who we are.) I have now had time to go back and watch the replay and I really don’t think that we were running up the score. Lets review

1:48 on the stopped clock. (TX 1 TO left) with Bama on the 27 – We run to the left for 16 yards. There is a flag on the play (face mask – half the distance) so tack on another 11 yards for a 22 yard play.

1:41 on stopped clock (TX still with 1 TO) – We are on the 5 yard line and run up the middle for a few yards and the clock continues to run.

0:52 on a running clock (TX still with 1TO) – Trent goes up the middle for the last TD. If we had not scored this play and ran off 10-15 seconds, I could see us taking a knee. At this point we could have successfully ended the game.

Why did we score? To me it was a simple by product of circumstances. Think about it. If we had recoved the ball on our own 30 we would have run a few plays, made a few first downs and taken a knee. The problem was that we got the ball on the TX 27. We were too succussful on that first play when we went for 22 yards and ONLY USED 7 SECONDS. The next two plays (which we needed to run to kill the clock) we ran straight up the gut. We can not realisticly say hey, go out and run for a few yards… but don’t finish the play and score from 5 yards out. On a side note, if we really wanted to run up the score, we would have been calling timeouts

Bottom line, we ran three plays and scored at least partly because the TX defense had by and large given up the ghost. Maybe we should have run, maybe we should have taken a knee. It is what it is. Personally, I am just happy with the W.

Roll Tide.

by Big_Al_Fan on Jan 10, 2010 10:00 PM CST reply actions  

My sentiments exactly..

I ran the same test and found that circumstances (including the remaining Texas time out) limited the choices had the staff had time to think about it. More than likely they were going off of remembrances of Tennessee (the burnt orange color and our inability to cover kickoffs notwithstanding) and could have been fueled in that manner.

I’ve got a cuter response, though.. for those of us old enough to remember the ‘65 Orange Bowl, Joe Willie Namath had brought us all the way from a 14-0 deficit to an opportunity to win with a minute left. In the days well before replay, Joe apparently dove into the end zone for the winning TD against Texas, and brushed goal line chalk off of his jersey, but the referees said that he didn’t get in..

So if all logic fails, we put the last one in for Broadway Joe!!

After all, our mascot is an elephant, we’re allowed to have long memories, right? ;-)

by ATL_Bamafan on Jan 12, 2010 2:09 AM CST up reply actions  

70-3

That was the final score of the Texas vs. Colorado Big 12 Championship prior to the classic against USC. Draw your own conclusions.

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by pantsfucious on Jan 11, 2010 12:33 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

That was the score in the third quarter.

I’m not defending against your point, but I am pointing out the difference. We didn’t score a single point for the final 22.5 minutes of the game (which, I’ve taken the liberty to “calculate,” is a full 37.5% of the ENTIRE game). At what earlier point do you suggest Mack should have pulled his foot off the pedal?

by mnHorn on Jan 11, 2010 3:55 AM CST up reply actions  

So Texas took a knee for the entire 4th quarter?

No, UT ran the ball. It’s just that you had in the 2nd string tailback, and TAMU stopped the run.

UA had in (wait for it) the 2nd string tailback, and UT didn’t stop the run.

by DurhamO on Jan 11, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

+1000000

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by The Voice of Reason on Jan 11, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Rather, Colorado stopped the run. TAMU would’ve been helpless.

by DurhamO on Jan 11, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

22.5 min > 1 min

Notice the difference? Again, the late TD didn’t bother me, but saying, “70-3” doesn’t prove anything.

And your “2nd string tail back”? Dude had over half as many runs in the first half as your starter did. Calling Richardson “2nd string” is like calling Felix Jones the same thing even though Darren MacFadden was technically the starter.

by mnHorn on Jan 11, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

What about the Texas A&M game last year?

You guys ran in a TD with 2 minutes left when the score was 42-9.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Jan 11, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

We have a winner!!

Congrats on finding a similar situation. I don’t know of any team that would kneel with 2 minutes left, but your point’s taken.

by mnHorn on Jan 11, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Wha???

Not our fault our 2nd string is as good as our first string. Or that you couldn’t stop either of them…

Your argument is ridiculous. You just come across as butt hurt because that “OMG AWESOME DEFENSE” couldn’t stop a run up the middle, then your defensive player got called for a facemask on that drive. Chances are, had your player not gotten a penalty, Trent would have had less of an opportunity to score.

Aim blame at your run defense and your penalty, rather than playing the lame/tired/worn out Saban is teh DEVIL card…

You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008

by BamaReturns07 on Jan 11, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Read.

Where did I complain about Saban? Where did I complain about the score? Alls I said was the whole “70-3” thing was stupid. If you guys spent half as much time addressing what a person actually says as you do rehashing the SOS, you might get somewhere.

by mnHorn on Jan 11, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Talk about the same ol' sh*t...

You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008

by BamaReturns07 on Jan 11, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Have not posted yet

On your great and deserved championship.

Congratulations, well deserved, this was a great team. People can whine about ups and downs, but no team of young men is kept together all year long and this one showed it when it had to and that to me is the hallmark of champions.

Congratulations, well played, fairly won all.

Roll Tide!

by Aardvark on Jan 11, 2010 8:18 AM CST reply actions  

Saban was most definitely not running up the score. He was running out the clock, Texas just happened to fail at the stopping them bit. To say that he was “running up the score” after the way Texas had been scoring recently is absolutely silly. Plus, as many of ya’ll have mentioned, the Tennessee game certainly shows how fast a game can turn. Is it likely? No, but the Victory formation should only be used when all doubt is 100% gone.

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by bobo_the_vol on Jan 11, 2010 9:01 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

McCoy's class act

After everything was said and done Colt McCoy congratulated the Tide on national TV and gave them credit for playing a great game. I can’t stand the Longhorns but McCoy is a class act. Unlike many of the Longhorn fans who cheered when Sam Bradford went down with his injury. Maybe they should go out and work to get back to the title game next year so they can play the Tide again.

by darwinatridge on Jan 11, 2010 10:25 AM CST reply actions  

So you watched the Red River Shootout?

Or are you taking your points from another crimson team?

by mnHorn on Jan 11, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Throwing a 50 yard TD pass = Running up the score

The only reason Alabama scored that TD was because of starting field position and bad defense by Texas. It was a 17 yard run up the middle, a play that was called for 1 simple purpose, to run out the clock. He should have gotten 4 or 5 yards, maybe in 3 plays doing that get enough for the first down, then take a knee to run out the clock.

I guess they expected Richardson to run 5 yards and take a knee?

It’s just sour grapes by Texas fans, and a way of pointing fingers rather than accepting the loss. Either way, they still lost.

by cal n on Jan 11, 2010 1:14 PM CST reply actions  

Sour Grapes

Yes it is sour grapes. And no matter what, it seems that many Longhorn fans are going to whine from now to eternity because they lost the game. Any excuse will do. Colt not being able to play. Alabama ( in their view) running up the score. So whine away until next year when you have another reason to whine. Or suck it up and take it like any other team would have done and do better next time.

by darwinatridge on Jan 11, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

C'mon, Todd

The clock was under a minute and it was second down. The only way for Texas to get the ball back after kneels on second and third was to call their final timeout, which they could have done after the first down and didn’t. By doing so, they conceded the game, and your team scored anyway.

If you want to say “they should have stopped it if they’re worried about it,” fine. But it’s absolutely running up the score—what other definition can there be of scoring against a team that’s already conceded the game?—and no, I don’t think there’s any way to argue it showed a heck of a lot of class or sportsmanship.

The funniest thing about it is that it backfired—after Tiffin missed the XP the ‘Horns got the ball back down two possessions, so it would have been better for ’Bama to have just taken a knee in the first place (assuming Texas didn’t call the timeout. If they had, score away.)

by JCCW Jerry on Jan 11, 2010 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

Running up the score...

….would have been running something other than the most vanilla of run plays that everyone in the stadium knew was coming three times in a row.

And as for my “reasoning” it’s nothing but tongue in cheek what ifery, just in case that wasn’t clear.

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by Todd on Jan 11, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

But why even run a vanilla play instead of a kneel-down?

If you’re trying to run out the clock, run out the clock. The chances of a touchdown might not be good with a run square up the gut, but they’re better than they are in the victory formation. Running any play when 1) you can kneel the clock out if the opponent doesn’t stop the clock 2) the opponent has had the opportunity to stop the clock and passed is an attempt to score, even if it wasn’t an attempt with, I don’t know, maximum vigor. Or something.

Fair enough on the “reasoning.”

by JCCW Jerry on Jan 11, 2010 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Because kneeling...

….doesn’t take as much time off the clock. A running play results in seconds off during the play, and more seconds off as the officials sort out the pile. If a QB kneels down, he just hands the ball back to the official and the clock starts again.

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by Todd on Jan 11, 2010 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Less than a minute, second down ...

… and a 40-second play clock that starts as soon as the previous play is blown dead. Two kneels kills the game, no questions asked, unless Texas calls the timeout.

by JCCW Jerry on Jan 11, 2010 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly!

Texas could still call the timeout. Well done.

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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 12, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

No quit in Texas...

I figure Texas WOULD have called the timeout. This was for the National Championship. No second chances, it was now or never.

Based on what we saw during the year, I have no doubt that when he was SURE the game was over, Saban would have ordered the kneel, but not before.

Hell, atter the Richardson TD, think what happened. Texas had time to run the kickoff back, throw an 18 yard pass, and throw another pass that was intercepted. King hit a knee, and Bama ran yet another play, this time a kneeldown.

I agree, it would have been CLOSE to impossible for Texas to do anything if Bama had quit, but not totally.

by FiftyYearFan on Jan 11, 2010 10:46 PM CST reply actions  

The game ended when McCoy went down.

Bama would have won by 35 if they hadn’t played “run out the clock” from the second half kickoff.

by skigator93 on Jan 12, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

If...

…we had had a healthy QB, you bet.

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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 12, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

you were running all over Texas

The only time you stalled was when you tried to pass.

by skigator93 on Jan 12, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

That's my point.

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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 13, 2010 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

insurance points

a 10 pt lead is never enough. Why I remember in Knoxville in1973 with 34 secs left in the 4th quarter and Bama trailing 10-3 – we scored 2 touchdowns in those 34 secs to win the game. Anything can happen. You better score when given the chance. A fumble by Bama, a quick score, onside kick and a field goal by TX and we’re in overtime. Whomever says that last score was running up the score, don’t know squat about football.

by barrybama on Jan 13, 2010 10:47 PM CST reply actions  

One big difference

you had the ball in 1973. If UT had the ball on second down with 45 seconds left and you only had one timeout, they would have run it out. There’s a higher chance of a turnover by running a play than just knealing.

by skigator93 on Jan 14, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

There were...

…more than 45 seconds left in the game, and though Bama had the ball, Texas had a timeout that they could have used had we taken a knee. They could have gotten the ball back.

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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 15, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

You are right

The TD was scored with 47 seconds left. It it had to have taken at least 3 seconds to run those 3 yards. So I stand corrected. If Bama would have taken a knee on 2nd down and Texas immediately called their last timeout, then it would have been 3rd down with about 49 seconds left. If Bama then took a knee on 3rd down – after a couple seconds for the play to run and the clock to start – the 40 second clock would have required a 4th down snap around 5 seconds. With 95 yards of field to work with, I think Bama could have run out the 5 seconds. If not, Texas gets the ball back, down by 10 with 3 seconds remaining.

I can now see why Bama needed to score again – teams score 10 points in 3 seconds all the time.

I think BOF is wrong about his “nothing to gain” theory below. I think Bama was looking for more than just a 10 point win over a team who lost its QB and team leader in the 1st quarter.

Nonetheless – it’s all water under the bridge. Bama won the game and deserves the national title by putting together a perfect season. In a couple years, nobody will remember or care about the circumstance of the game or final score.

by skigator93 on Jan 17, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you...

…for admitting that I am right. You’ve come a long way.

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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 18, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

The bottom line is...

That Bama had a chance to take a knee and end the game, but instead chose to score. It was unnecessary and netted Alabama nothing.

Some here have brought up the A&M game from last year as “proof” that Texas runs up the score too. Which suggests that a) you agree that Alabama ran up the score when they didn’t have to, and b) you’re a little defensive about it (since you wouldn’t feel the need to search through Texas football history to find a comprable example if you weren’t).

In the interest of full disclosure, I too got defensive when I saw that Texas ran up the score, since I disagree with the practice no matter who’s playing. So I went back and looked at the game, and I don’t think it’s the same.

Alabama tacking on more points doesn’t change the end result. They still win the game, and the NC.

Texas on the other hand wasn’t just playing the Aggies. They were in a 3-way tie with OU and Tech. Tech, by virtue of a blow out a week earlier, was the least likely to make it. OU wrapped up their season against a ranked OSU opponent. Texas played unranked A&M before OU, which made it likely that only a complete and total slaughter of the Aggies might stay in voters minds long enough to be remembered by the time they got around to voting. Texas was playing for a chance to go to the Conference Championship and the NC, it was more than a game against the Aggies. We didn’t enjoy running up the score (ok….maybe a little) but it was the only shot Texas was going to get. Was it running up the score? Yes. But it was done for reasons beyond disrespecting the guys on the other end of the field.

Do the ends justify the means? Hard to say. I always try to put myself in the other guys shoes. If A&M had to slaughter Texas in order to get a shot at the Big12 CC & NC, and they ran up the score would I enjoy it? Nope. Would I understand it…sure.

If Bama had gained something by scoring that last TD, I wouldn’t care. A better ranking, a spot in the big game, a new TD/Rushing/Carries record… something then I wouldn’t even remember it. But there was nothing gained there…except 6 more points, and maybe trying to rub in the win a little more.

Bama burned 35 seconds between 1st and 2nd down. There was a total of 66 seconds left in the game, Bama had a 10 point lead, and 3 downs. If Bama burns 35 seconds on the next two downs – THE GAME IS OVER.

Even if Bama can’t milk every last second out of the clock, Texas still has to score twice to tie/win.

By and large, most Bama fans have demonstrated real class, as have the players. Bama played tough and capitalized when it mattered, which is what champions do. Bama is the best team in the country and National Champions, no excuses or asterix’s. Enjoy the NC, 18 years is a long time to wait!

But you’ll never convince me that Saban didn’t run up the score intentionally.

by BurntOrangeForever on Jan 15, 2010 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

Once more, with feeling...

…taking a knee would not have necessarily ended the game. Texas had a timeout. Remember how Texas got to the game by kicking a FG with one controversial second left on the clock? Remember how Texas was only down three in the fourth quarter? Remember how most people thought Texas would take a knee to end the first half, yet decided to put points on the board before halftime? Remember how Alabama scored with about a minute left against Auburn, and Auburn still drove halfway down the field to give themselves a chance to win the game? Remember how we had to block a second FG against Tennessee to seal that win?

Well, you may or may not remember all those things, but I guarantee you that Coach Saban did, and I guarantee you that each of those things played a role in him deciding to run the ball again rather than take a knee at that point in the game. He also has a lot of respect for your defensive coordinator and head coach, so I doubt he was trying to humiliate anyone. He does like to win, though, and he likes to make sure that there is zero chance that we let a win slip away. You may not enjoy it, but maybe you can understand it.

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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 16, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

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