Comparing the two QBs: stats
So, the meme going around is that Colt McCoy is a vastly superior QB to Greg McElroy. That's what I've seen several BON posters hang their BCSMNC hopes on. I have to ask... based on what?
Based on yardage? Texas throws more and runs less than Bama, of course McCoy has more yards. How about a stat that's normalized to number of attempts, like, say, passer rating? McCoy 147, McElroy 142. That's not a vast difference. Tebow is 155, BTW - or was before Cincinnati. McElroy has also had four games in which his passing efficiency was better than ANY game McCoy had, and that includes facing the #1 defense in the country (UF) - McElroy put up numbers equating to a passer rating of 196. McCoy's highest rating for any game this season was 191 against Kansas - the 66th-best pass defense in the country. Vastly superior? I guess if you like intangibles, sure.
McCoy faced teams with passer rating defense ranked at an average of 54th in the country. The two best passing defenses he faced, by opponent average passer rating against (OAPRA for short), were the #3 and #10 teams (next best was 28th); those were his worst games of the season and Texas' closest wins. McElroy faced teams which averaged 38th in OAPRA, including the #5, #6, #8, and #15 teams; McElroy's two (three) worst games of the season were in his three game slump in the middle of the season and two of them were admittedly against the aforementioned #8 and #15 teams, but only one of those three games was closer than two touchdowns. McCoy averaged a passer rating 25 points or 19% better than the OAPRA; McElroy averaged 34 points or 29% better than OAPRA. In other words, opposing defenses did better at holding McCoy in check than they did holding McElroy in check, despite the fact that McElroy was facing statistically better passing defenses. I guess that's one of the benefits of having a great ground game to complement your passing attack and keep the defenses honest. "But what about Auburn?" Yes, they stopped our Heisman trophy winner. McElroy had a passer rating of 148 against them. Go ahead, load the box against Mark Ingram. Trent Richardson had 9 ypc in that game, too.
Now, clearly McElroy hasn't ever been invited to NYC for the Heisman ceremony, so there's some definite intangible action going on... but based on stats, McElroy does more when he does pass. McCoy throws a TD every 17.3 passes and GMac only every 18.5 passes... but GMac throws 4.25 TDs for every INT, and McCoy throws only 2.25 TDs for every INT. Put another way, McCoy throws INT's literally twice as often as GMac, but throws TDs only about 6% more often. That doesn't sound vastly superior to me. But can McElroy win the big game? Ask Auburn. Ask Florida. Now ask the same to Oklahoma and Nebraska about McCoy.
I believe that a great many people (including many hard-core Bama fans) underestimate Greg McElroy. McCoy is a great QB, no doubt, and IMHO deserved the Heisman over Bradford... but Alabama faced three QBs with better passer ratings than McCoy this year and one of those guys even threw for more yards for the season and they ALL threw fewer INTs than McCoy; Alabama shut all of them down. Tebow was held 44 points below his #1 ranked passer rating, or 75% of his season average; the other two more than 75 points lower and 55% or less of their season passer rating. I'm talking SHUT DOWN. The 'Horns had better HOPE that McCoy is really that much better than the other guys in a way that stats don't show, or it'll be a long night for them - I suspect the chances of Bama running all over Texas are much greater than the chances of Texas running on Bama. Even if you assume that the #1 and #2 rushing defenses are roughly equivalent (despite the opponent's relative levels of rushing prowess being decidely NON-equivalent), Alabama at least has a rushing attack to take the heat off of the passing game. Texas, not so much. So Texas will HAVE to have a great game from McCoy, and statistically that's not as likely.
Let's talk consistency: GMac's worst games came three in a row, and arguably were due to growing into the job (and an inexplicable insistence by the OC of throwing to Julio Jones in the red zone when Ingram was right there). Against good teams, he was great in the beginning of the season, bad in the middle, and fabulous at the end. Not as consistent as a Bama fan would like, but somewhat understandable. McCoy? Against great teams, he was VERY consistent. Consistently bad, that is. And Bama has a great pass defense. I'm just sayin'.
If the game outcome depends on who can run successfully, you unquestionably give the edge to Bama. If it depends on a QB playing big against a great defense, it's not as lopsided - but I think the advantage is surprisingly Bama's as well.
Apologies if this seems a bit scattered; I've been looking at the two QBs' passer stats for a couple of weeks, but haven't worked so much on coherent presentation.
FanPosts are just that; posts created by the fans. They are in no way indicative of the opinions of SBN and the authors of Roll Bama Roll.
13 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Math, true...
but good math. I will say this, though. You don’t bang almost 77% of your passes unless you’re a damned good QB…which he is.
Ours is just better :P
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Jan 7, 2010 1:28 PM CST reply actions
if you like intangables
yeah… like as in how colt is our offense??
gmac has mr. heisman to take the pressure off him and keep defenses off balance
colt throws on pretty much every down.
with greater usage usually means lower efficiency. If we had a super solid run game like y’all do
i doubt theres a team in the country that could even slow us down at all.
so not only does colt have to do more with less.. he does it better. im sorry qb is our strength not yours…
not that gmac is bad.. hes actually really good really
I think that's what I was saying...
You don’t throw that many balls, with that accuracy, without being damned good. Last year McC should have won the Heisman…those nos AND the fact he was the leading rusher? Unreal.
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Jan 7, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
I don't disagree that Colt McCoy is a better QB
What I disagree with is that there is a “vast” difference. And Colt McCoy’s big-game performance this year (which includes things out of his control like pass protection, running game to take off some pressure, etc.) simply hasn’t been as good as McElroy’s this year. That’s why I mentioned Auburn – McElroy’s Heisman running game cushion was neutralized, and he STILL had a better P.E. day than his average, including a fairly impressive final drive for the win.
If Texas had both a Heisman-quality QB as well as a Heisman-caliber RB (or two, IMHO), I agree that they would be a lot closer to unstoppable – of course, we all know how that worked out for USC…
Oh, and the other point I made
is that while McCoy does have to do more with less, he does NOT do it much better. Only a little better. QB play has been a strength for Alabama, esp. down the stretch – it’s just not our ONLY strength.
By the way...
…since Colt had a 100% passer rating last night (2-2), does that make him the all-time leader in passing efficiency?
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 8, 2010 7:50 AM CST reply actions
I think it's technically correct to say
that we survived a perfect game from Colt McCoy and yet squeezed out a narrow 16-point victory. Colt’s passer rating of 138 effectively overshadowed GMac’s pedestrian 98. Darn it.
Texas' backup QB....
has received a great head start to his 2010 season. Gilbert, 6-4 207, is a great size for a qb.
Got that winning feelin'
That kid...
…grew up fast, and Texas should feel good about life after McCoy.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 8, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Sho Nuff
I never really liked or disliked Texas before. After Kleph’s series of history posts I was schooled on the history of both teams and the ties to both schools go as for back as 100 years. This Texas tea,in some way, has captured my interest, my respect, and maybe even a small piece of my heart . It’s fans are knowledgeable and easy to respect ( for the most part and same with our own). It’s coach is a stand-up guy as is our own Nick Saban.I truely hate it for Colt McCoy but I’m sure he will have a long and decorated future playing on Sundays and if not will have a great career at whatever he chooses to do.
I will pull for the Longhorns in the future until we meet again which may be a date a year from now.
'Mark Ingram' is the Heisman Winner!

by 

















