You Are Not Tough: An Observation or Two About Pain
Julio Jones played last week just days after having surgery to put a plate and pin into his hand. Last year defensive lineman Brandon Deaderick played in the season opener after being shot by a would-be robber the week prior. Greg McElroy lead the Crimson Tide to a victory in the National Championship game last January despite having two broken ribs.
As Todd often says in these situations "You are not tough."
But these incidents are unusual due to the circumstances that they occurred in, they ignore the fact that much of the squad must play through an immense degree of pain to function at the level required of an elite college football team. We hear when someone comes down with an injury and we notice the guys that are limping or favoring an arm when those high definition cameras pick them out for us but the fact is just about every player on the field must push themselves to withstand a degree of pain most of us can't even imagine. And do it every week of the season.
I thought about this reading a story on endurance athletes in the New York Times this week. The central question it asks is if the ability to withstand enormous amounts of pain an innate attribute of elite athletes or is it something one can learn? The answer, as you might expect, is not particularly clear cut.
Keep in mind, this is different than the observation elite athletes must have an innate resistance to injury. The fact is, to be able to compete at the highest level of any sport you must have a huge amount of skill as well as the ability to put in the vast amount of training needed to hone that to its finest degree.
This is a lesson I know quite well as I am a distance runner and the threshold for injury for me is, frustratingly, right at that point I need to do in order to train for my goal to qualify for the Boston Marathon. The key to my training effort then is to find ways to overcome that -- either by getting more out of less mileage or finding ways to belay that injury threshold enough to permit me to get the runs in.
Pain though. That's a different bastard entirely.
Elite athletes -- be they football players or distance runners -- somehow are able to handle the pain and keep going at a level of effort that seems impossible to maintain to others. And even as you get faster and in better shape, the pain "never gets any easier."
While there seems to be a certain amount of pain resistance that is innate but most elite athletes also strive to find ways to increase their ability to handle it. Mental familiarity with the situation, focus on the task at hand and just sheer guts all combine into every athlete's approach to the problem.
"Our hypothesis is that elite athletes are able to motivate themselves continuously and are able to run the gantlet between pushing too hard — and failing to finish — and underperforming," said Dr. Jeroen Swart, a sports medicine physician at the Sports Science Institute of South Africa.
Reading this story I thought a lot about my worst brush with real pain in an athletic competition and the lessons I learned from it. And they were almost exactly the approach to handling the pain the athletes quoted in the story advised. But what really struck me was how these observations were almost exactly word for word what you heard Coach Saban tell the Alabama players in the ESPN shows from the pre-season practices.
When we talk about Alabama's Fourth Quarter Program we think about how it's making the Crimson Tide players faster and stronger and better fit. But when Coach Cochran screams "HATE ME NOW! THANK ME LATER!" it isn't just because they won't be sucking wind as the clock winds down -- its because when the pain get really bad in the game, they will have already been there and know how to handle it.
For us regular humans pain tends to be an either/or kind of thing. Something hurts or it doesn't. Part of being an athlete is becoming a connoisseur of pain -- learning to know every little variation and increment of it to keep it under control and to understand that hairline difference between acute discomfort the realm of actual injury. It is a process of learning to live with pain and making it part of your regular world. But don't ever think that means it hurts any less.
So when you watch Alabama play next time, think about the level of pain the guys are going through out there and what it takes to have the mental fortitude to set it aside and compete on every play like Coach Saban demands. And then you can understand that it's really true -- you are not tough.
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One of my fitness specialists is taking a couple of weeks off
he qualified last year for this year’s Boston Marathon. We are working on a way to support him at the facility. It’s tough, I wish you the best, my man.
"I guess I must stutter. Did I stutter? I'm not very clear on how I articulate. Maybe I need to go back to West Virginia and get some more hillbilly slang and maybe everybody can understand me a little better." - Nick Saban, because reporters haven't learned.
by BamaReturns07 on Oct 22, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Good post.
Last night I watched a documentary on the History Channel about the plane that went down in the Andes in 1972 (I actually remembered the story well.) The plane contained a Rugby Team from Uragway. Although most of the guys did die, around 16 of them lived over 70 days with nothing to eat except the dead humans. They were also had no real shelter, just the plane and it was 30 below at night. And they had no winter clothing either. Finally 2 of the guys hiked and climbed there way out of the mountains an almost unthinkably hard task and found help and saved their friends. In the end 14 or 16 men (can’t remember the exact number) out of about 44 did survive. I could not help but think that if that had been a plane of regular citizens they would have lasted probably a week. But Rugby athletes…well those are pretty tough guys…and because of that they survived.
Nope, I’m not tough, although I am a distance runner and a former college athlete. I’m afraid if I had hand surgery, or was trapped on a mountain in sub freezing temps, or had broken ribs I’d not fair very well. However, I did once tough out a kidney stone for a week before it passed and I just went to work just like always etc. I was able to endure the pain by focusing my mind on something else which actually fascinated me that I could do that, not that I want to try it again.
As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.
let me tell you
hiking at that altitude is rough under the best conditions. the second-most painful thing i ever did was climb a 19,000-foot high mountain and it was brutal. hikes in the 16K range are downright torture themselves.
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Yeah...on this show
an experienced mountian climber tried to retrace the path of these two inexperienced Rugby players that had no equipment, little food etc. and the mountain climber said the climb out…they went 40 miles over several peaks, was impossible. Yet somehow they did it. And, that was after they had already been 65 days in the cold and altitude with little food.
As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.
Its called the "Human Will To Live"...never to be underestimated...mind over matter...
its what the SEALs, Rangers, Force Recon, SAS, etc, elite CT Units around the world teach their recruits in training. Tons of guys who are “built like Tarzan” end up “playing like Jane” when they wash out. They used to be able to push the envelope of human mind over pain threshhold alot further back in the day (late 60’s thru mid to late 80’s) and once the mind has been expanded and taught how to work the body thru pain that the subject never though possible in ways it never imagined, performance is increased.
Once your predetermined mental limits on what you think your body can and can’t do, once they have been surpassed, you can work toward seeing how far you can go.
Obviously you arent gonna hike 6 miles with a broke leg, but most of these guys operate in conditions that training doesnt even remotely get close to. Yeh Hell Week is tough, but most guys would tell ya, you know you werent gonna die in Hell Week. Which brings me to another point….How many elite cyclist are really clean? Past or Present? Would the same doping translate to running or all endurance sports like swimming?
The beatings will continue til moral improves.....
by mrpelicanpants on Oct 22, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I will never forget my "swim qualifing" in the Navy while in boot camp...
Guess who was in charge? The Navy Seals…this was in ‘88 in San Diego, and intense aint the word for it. It was a basic 50 ft drop into the water in full working uniform, tread water for 15 mins, take off pants, tie knots in each leg, then dunk in the water while getting air in pants for a floatation device, then swimming 100 yrds without touching the bottom of the shallow end. In the mean time, these guys were walking around, shirtless, ripped, scars from bullet wounds and various parts of their torso’s had scars from surgerys and burn marks,etc, these guys had been “in the shit” and this was their reward, scaring the hell outta abunch of 18-24 yr old smart asses….They asked our group who knew how to swim, half of us raised our hand, the ones who didnt(mostly inner city kids) were forced to go to the shallow end and were berated for joining the Navy. Then the ones who were afraid of heights from the high dive got the shit kicked outta them if they didnt let go of the rails, then tossed headfirst into the water if they were lucky, then a diver would fish them out and do CPR if necessary. Once the recruits saw that, no one fought against them………but my arms were burning once we did the 500 yrd swim….I’ll make a fanpost about that, almost 20yrs later, that was one of the most awesome displays of force of mental and physical group psy-ops I’ve ever seen…more impressive? Seeing a retired Seal Master Chief who could swim, climb up the high dive and push himself off, all while getting no assistance from anyone, forget the fact he had no legs from the thigh down from an “incident” and the torso was half burned flesh in a corkscrew pattern to the back of his bald head…that sticks with ya.
The beatings will continue til moral improves.....
by mrpelicanpants on Oct 22, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
wow
In an industrial society which confuses work and productivity, the necessity of producing has always been an enemy of the desire to create. - Raoul Vaneigem
take this job and shove it - Johnny Paycheck
by tempebamafan on Oct 22, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Fear, too
When I read “the Blind Side,” it became apparent to me for the first time that football players spend a part of their pre-game mental preparation banishing fear of serious injury and the accompanying pain. Read this book. The movie was a chick flick. The book dealt extensively with the two major competing philosophies of football, where they began and how they have developed over the years.
"I never did give anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was
hell."
- Harry S Truman
The book is brilliant...
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 22, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Jeez.
I didn’t know there was a book. But I loved the movie (“I find him very attractive” Hilarious!) so I will definitely have to get the book this weekend.
Losing doesn't make me want to quit. It makes me want to fight that much harder. – Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant
by BamaGirlinDallas on Oct 22, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
written by Micheal Lewis
who is a bad ass. He just wrote a piece for Vanity Fair about the greek Debt crisis that was so awesome. he is a very unique writter with an amazinf ability to help simply things that would seem too arcane for most readers. He wrote an article for Conde Nast Portfolio about Credit Default Swaps/Collateralized Debt Obligations that made perfect sense. Over the last 4 years i have yet to read any other article that explained what CDO’s were to any degree that was close to what Lewis did. But most amaxing of all, is that his articles are fascinating and incredibly easy to read. i have not yet read Liar’s Poker but i plan too very soon.
In an industrial society which confuses work and productivity, the necessity of producing has always been an enemy of the desire to create. - Raoul Vaneigem
take this job and shove it - Johnny Paycheck
by tempebamafan on Oct 22, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice post Kleph
I take pain as Good Pain and Bad pain. I know both. Back when I was 18, I was trying to be an amature weight lifter. Sometimes I was so sore I couldn’t move my arms. However, that is a good pain, your body healing but you are right about the fine line between good pain and (injury pain). One day I was doing a T-bar row, and my arm was really sore and a touch numb. I went to do body crosses and I screamed a scream that goes down as a legend at the gym. I was only doing 30lbs and I felt a pain that I never could imagine. I went to the hospital and I had ripped my bicep tendon.
I got to learn a higher level of pain when I smashed my car into a wall doing 112mph in a drag race (not really a true sport) but I shattered three discs in my back. You know when they ask you how bad the pain is on a scale 1-10. I told the doc I was at 9 and I added if I reached ten for him to kill me. Trust me, I meant it.
The greatest pain I ever felt was when I passed a kidney stone. I laid on the floor writheing in pain for 6 hours because no one was at home and I couldn’t get up to call 911.
I have broken bones and even been shot. That’s a long story but a client’s husband shot me. Yea, doing divorces. I was luckly shot in the leg and the bullet went clean through.
Scale of pain:
Broken bones = 5
Shot = 6
Torn ligament = 7
Shattered discs = 9
Kidney stone = 10+
I also plaid football (I sucked) as a MLB and I know what it feels like to hit and be hit. Even if you’re not injured the bruises and repetative hits take their toll and I only plaid at the high school level with a bad team. I plaid 3 years and we only won 5 games so they were desprate for players.
So I totally agree, those boys wearing Crimson are tough SOBs. Also the people on Gmac’s case, until they have been plowed into the ground by a 220+lb and you only have 4 seconds to make a desicion within that time or you know you’re going to be laid on the ground. I don’t think they can really talk or understand how tough it is. Yes, I get pissed at Gmac sometimes but I just think what he’s going through and I can understand sometimes why he dips and dunks. So to the fans on Gmac, remember he is a 20 something year old with the weight of the team, the fans, and the hopes and dreams of not only himself but the state of Alabama on his shoulders. He did a hell of a lot to get that NC for the university and us. Yes, he plays for the elite SEC school and the fans expect him to work miracles. However, remember he wants to do better than even we want and he has to deal with pain and pressure. So cut Gmac some slack. He’s tougher than 99.9% of us Alabama fans. Sorry I ranted but I felt it was needed
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by TheGTOJudge on Oct 21, 2010 10:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
i have jet lag....
In Japan for work so please excuse the spelling fails. Plaid = played.
I’m 13 hours ahead right now. However, I have fixed it to see the U of A v the viles of Ucheat. That took a lot of work to make have that happen.
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by TheGTOJudge on Oct 22, 2010 1:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Awesome.
Have a safe trip. I’m not sure what’s cooler, a junket to Japan or seeing the impending beating in K’ville.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 22, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd imagine it would be hard to do alot with ringing in your ears, your throwing arm is numb from the stinger
you just got from the hit you took from the blindside, and the next play call is a 30 yrd slant route, and your vision is sort of blurry with lil floating bubbles and dots still lingering from getting your bell rung, and you have, oh, 20 secs or so to shake it off and call the play even though you cant hear yourself think or talk, or even know if you said the play correctly, and you have to remember the snap count when you look at the line and see one OLB and one ILB lining up to blitz….ok only 2 more secs….whats the damn snap count???? TIMEOUT REF!!!!
The beatings will continue til moral improves.....
by mrpelicanpants on Oct 22, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Awesome post, Kleph.
This stuff really gets my attention. Over the past 4-5 years I’ve gotten really into lifting and have managed to reach a few of my goals as far as strength and definition, but it comes with a price. I’m constantly in some sort of pain and have pulled tons of muscles (mostly my right bicep, but still not trying to compete with GTO in the pain game – you win, homie). My worst pain is in my legs. I constantly get shin splints and still have bad knees from jumping out of airplanes. For me, the problem is the old-school Army policy of long runs = more fit soldiers. I am NOT a distance runner. 3-4 miles is my limit and after that I either can’t stand the pain in my legs and/or my mind has already dropped too many “WTF is the point?”s for me to continue. Luckily, there’s been some switching from the classic Push-Ups, Sit-Ups, Long runs to a new crossfit/P90X type PT sessions. They’re being implemented at the Basic Training level for new recruits with hopes of commanders adapting them to company level training in the future. I don’t think that has to do with pain but more with the obesity problem in America and its obvious affect on our military (Trust me, the Army alone has WAY too many overweight soldiers and it’s very embarrassing and unsafe). Anywho, that’s a different story.
My point (kinda) is that anyone who says these kids are pussies or are faking or aren’t playing tough need to get off their ass and jump in front of a bus. That’d be about half the pain these guys experience game in and game out throughout the season. Football is a tough sport…just ask all the players in the NFL who have left on stretchers this season. Or that Rutgers player. GTFOH with that bullshit…YOU. ARE. NOT. TOUGH.
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Spock any Cardio is pain for me
Ever since the discs got shattered, I can’t lift more than 30 pounds so to stay in shape all I can do is cardio. Thank God for swimming or I would weigh 600 pounds. BTW, don’t use creatine to get results. Creatine causes calcium deposits which = kidney stones and can lead to heart problems if mixed with sudaephedrine (guarna extract). Weight lifting caused a lot of my health problems because I used a ton of supplements and no I did not use steroids.
I’m not trying to outdue anybody on pain because if I knew then what I know now. I would have stuck to all natural lifting (balanced diet and vitamins) and avoided all the other stuff.
However, I figure the players go through a lot of pain to get to their level. I couldn’t imagine the injuries and pain the Tide players go through every Saturday.
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by TheGTOJudge on Oct 22, 2010 1:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't use creatine at all.
I use some supplements but trust me, they are all legal and do not involve needles. My main thing I like is RPM or Jack3d an hour or so before I lift to get going more. And then I just take simple protein afterwards. I don’t know, supplements and lifting and all that are weird because it’s a true example of how everyones body is different. I know guys who do bi’s & tri’s twice a week and still can’t get the results that I have and I don’t do them at all. But I could also do back twice a week and still not look as good as some dudes I’ve seen.
Ok, this comment is way too gym rat nerdy and homo, so I’m shutting down now.
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by SpockJenkins on Oct 22, 2010 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Everyone's body is different that's true
We have one trainer that runs everyday and is in excellent shape, but he has a little pudge and looks like he has never done anything, and we have another who is ripped yet barely works out. Different strokes..
I’m weird about any sort of supplements outside of protein (whey, no soy) because of the affects any stimulant can have on your body when abused. I know Spock has a really solid understanding of how to take care of his body and don’t foresee any issues there, but a lot of people don’t and that is dangerous. I don’t allow supplements – at this time – to be carried/sold in my health club for that simple reason. Any new product is discussed between myself and our staff dietician.
I have gone to a circuit training program one of my employees built for me and use that 4/5 times a week, then cardio the other times. Helped me drop 50 lbs this summer (holla!) and utilizes your own body weight vs lifting; I want to lose and tone, not add bulk. I also throw in the occasional heavy bag workout as a cardio substitute. That shit will wear you the fuck out.
"I guess I must stutter. Did I stutter? I'm not very clear on how I articulate. Maybe I need to go back to West Virginia and get some more hillbilly slang and maybe everybody can understand me a little better." - Nick Saban, because reporters haven't learned.
by BamaReturns07 on Oct 22, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Also the best thing you can do to add muscle is drink WATER - lots of water
and a high protein (lean meat – fish, chicken, lean steak) low carb diet. One thing I have started paying attention too and we talk about a lot is adding things to your meal out of habit or “just cause” that you can’t really taste and adds tons of calories and negatives – cheese, mayo, etc.
"I guess I must stutter. Did I stutter? I'm not very clear on how I articulate. Maybe I need to go back to West Virginia and get some more hillbilly slang and maybe everybody can understand me a little better." - Nick Saban, because reporters haven't learned.
by BamaReturns07 on Oct 22, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
my feeling is
most people need to focus on better nutrition than any kind of supplements. it’s worth noticing that alabama has a full-time nutritionist on staff now.
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My point exactly
or, at the very least, minimal supplements. But there are a lot of people who rely heavily on supplements for a large portion of their caloric consumption and that can f your body up.
"I guess I must stutter. Did I stutter? I'm not very clear on how I articulate. Maybe I need to go back to West Virginia and get some more hillbilly slang and maybe everybody can understand me a little better." - Nick Saban, because reporters haven't learned.
by BamaReturns07 on Oct 22, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
supplements can help elite athletes maximize their intake of certain things
but you body will always be more efficient and effective at drawing them from regular foods.
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Curious in a woman's honest comparison:
Through years of boxing, I had developed arthritis in my hands by my mid-twenties. Pounding and getting pounded on with nagging pain, the little injuries to your body during a fights, and the obvious acute punishment (giving and recieving) in which you have to pretend not to be hurt basically makes you turn on a berserker state of mind that gets you through it— I had a hard time rising to this on a few occasions but overall I would like to think myself tougher than the average person. However, the thought of passing a kidney stone or having a baby makes me cringe like a sissy. I liked GTO’s comparison list. Would a woman here do somethings similar? I’d like to see if anyone here has given natural childbirth and how it compares to other forms of pain they might have had.
By the looks of things, I'm pretty sure God doesn't care how you do in sports.
chiming in on the natural child birth here
it hurts. it burns. it stings. it feels like your skin is going to rip open all the way up your body like a busted zipper. and that is just the actual birth. labor pains are all together different. how long labor lasts, obviously makes a difference but that shit is no fun either. i’m sure you all have had some sort of gas pains that double you over….well that’s pretty much it but worse, and over and over and over and you CAN’T let yourself get doubled over or tense up. your natural inclination is to make it stop (touch the stove, stove is hot, pull your hand away) so you have to fight that inclination since the pain is all part of the process to get that kid down the hall and out the window. it’s a mind game.
the BEAUTIFUL part of childbirth pain is that you really and truly forget how horrible it felt. i mean, you obviously remember that it DID feel horrible but it’s hard to describe HOW BADLY it hurts. selective memory FTW – until you go into labor with your second one and then are scared shitless because SUDDENLY you remember…
if i had it to do over (which thankfully i don’t), i wouldn’t do totally natural childbirth. it’s seriously ridiculous in my book. i really don’t need to prove how tough i am. yeah i know all about the benefits to the baby of mama not being wasted when they come into the world, but honestly, dealing with the pain becomes your total focus and the birth of your CHILD becomes secondary. I’m all for more relaxation and being able to actually WATCH and marvel at the craziness of what your body can do.
"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban
Exactly....
…you fellas around here are some tough m’fers, but I created LIFE with this body of mine! Talk about tough.
by Queen of the Universe on Oct 22, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
you sorta' had help...
You didn’t get those other 26 chromosomes from osmosis ;)
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 22, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
disagree here...
the BEAUTIFUL part of childbirth pain is that you really and truly forget how horrible it felt.
We know you forget, but we don’t. So while y’all are cooing about the miracle of life, we’re still eyeing you suspiciously. I did learn a valuable (if not disgusting) thing watching my daughter being born: No matter how much men may value their tool or think they are “killin’ it”, we are just sadly, sadly mistaken; and those moments of braggadacio are forever gone
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 22, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
gives "knocking it out"
a whole new meaning?
In an industrial society which confuses work and productivity, the necessity of producing has always been an enemy of the desire to create. - Raoul Vaneigem
take this job and shove it - Johnny Paycheck
by tempebamafan on Oct 22, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
interesting comments by all...
i think the first thing i would point out is that a lot of these examples of extreme pain — injuries, kidney stones, etc — are not exactly what i am addressing here. and the fact that most folks don’t make a distinction between the two is a reason for a lot of misconceptions about what elite athletes endure.
to take up regular exercise means putting up with what most athletes consider “discomfort.” that’s not a pejorative designation since most people shouldn’t be doing anything that goes beyond that. people as me if they can run such and such a race and i tell them unless they have a very specific physical condition, they can. with one important caveat — they don’t consider the final time at all.
because its when you start maximizing your performance that you start having issues. thats when you move out of the realm of “discomfort” due to exercise and enter the world of “pain” in terms of asking more of your body than it might be capable of doing on a regular basis.
at the other end of the spectrum, there is a real difference between the pain you have to push through in order to obtain the maximum performance possible from your body and outright injury. but when you get to the upper thresholds, that can be a subtle distinction. but knowing that difference is a key part of being an elite athlete.
i’ll give my own example. two years ago, when training for my last BQ effort i developed patellar tendonitis. basically, every time i ran it felt like someone was stabbing me in the knee with an ice pick. this was most definitely injury pain. it’s not necessarily crippling if treated but the treatment is, essentially, don’t run.
but it developed right at the end of my training and after consulting my coach and a doctor we decided to try and train through it. and every run i did was an experience in agony. i was making my times and hitting my goals but it was brutal. i basically lived with an ice bag on my knee propped up in bed when i wasn’t running.
instead of a regular taper, we just ceased workouts the eight days prior to the race in order to get the tendonitis taken care of in anticipation of the race and, sure enough, it went completely away (so anyone who says bye weeks don’t matter can kiss my skinny ass).
this experience was my visit to the nearest province in this vast territory of pain every athlete dwells in as a native. i was just a tourist, this is where they live their lives. and i cannot even imagine the horrors endured by those who push the boundaries of the farthest borders of the domain.
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From where I view this, there are 2 pain options
1 – Pain from an event that I can stop or quit and the pain will then stop or diminish greatly. Running is one of these. I don’t run, don’t like it. I’ve trained for 5k’s and a half and just don’t find it fun.
2 – Pain from an event that I must push through. Childbirth was one of these. My son was about 4 weeks early and labor was extremely fast up to the point of an emergency c-sec. I did not get an epidural so until the time when I was unconscience, I was in extreme pain. But, there was no option of quitting, so I cussed my way through it. After the surgery, I did not take pain meds. The whole have to have a clean system for nursing thing. So again, I pushed through it.
I’m thinking that elite athletes have the attitude of #2. No option of quitting. Kleph’s R&R Marathon experience supports that. When he could have quit, that wasn’t an option. I know that if I’m hiking and I’m 5 miles from the end, it doesn’t matter if I’m hurting, or tired or whatever. The hike has to be finished and I’m the only one that can get me back to the car. So, attitude #2 persists.
None of this, of course, even remotely compares to the Rugby team or even our Tide. Week after week I see these guys get hammered, knowing that I would not get back up after most of those hits. So the mental conditioning must play a huge factor in the game.
"Have a goal. And to reach that goal you better have a plan. Have a plan that you believe in so strongly that you'll never compromise." 'Bear'
one huge caveat here...
by every measure i should have quit that marathon. while finishing was an achievement given the amount of pain i withstood to accomplish it, the fact is it was a very dumb thing to do. as i mention above, an important part of training is learning to distinguish between pain that is part of pushing yourself to your limits and pain that is an indicator of actual injury. i didn’t have the experience at that point to know i had crossed from one to the other. i got lucky, lots of people don’t.
for athletes like the crimson tide players, they should know exactly where that threshold is. and part of the importance of the training staff is to be there and look for the signs of when the players have crossed it and might not realize.
oh, and most of my observations have considered the kind of pain of pushing ones self to the limit in terms of endurance. i didn’t even address the type of agony you’d endure getting crushed into the turf every so often by someone like courtney upshaw.
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Do you think this may explain the massive amounts of injuries when Shula was here?
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by BamaReturns07 on Oct 22, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
it's probably a factor
but the sheer number of variables to something like that makes it unlikely to pin it down to one single thing.
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There's another part to this whole thing
There’s another aspect to the whole pain thing that I don’t see mentioned here. When you are in the middle of something as intense (physically, mentally, and emotionally) as a football game, your mind can do incredible things.
I don’t consider myself a particularly tough guy, but I broke my thumb in a high school football game once, and didn’t know it happened until after the game. It was a particularly intense game, and it happened sometime in the fourth quarter. On the bus ride home, I started feeling the pain, and before we got back to our school, I was in serious pain. But during the game, I guess may brain blocked out the pain enough that I wasn’t conscious of it until the adrenaline started wearing off.
by GhostofLarryRose on Oct 22, 2010 8:17 AM CDT reply actions
there's a bit of a difference in the adrenaline rush
that helps you overcome a single instance of excruciating pain and the discipline it takes to regularly subject yourself to the extreme levels of discomfort an elite athlete endures. although i do think there is a bit of this at work for football players withstanding hits that would put folks like you or me in the hospital and likely diapers for the the rest of our natural lives.
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True
I don’t know if adrenaline had all that much to do with it. The more I think about it, the more I think that it was more a matter of concentration. We were down six to an opponent that was vastly superior to us, talent wise, and we were driving on them. All I could think about was “we gotta score, I gotta block this guy.”
Also to my credit, I never missed a day of practice. Just taped it up, and tried not to get my thumb snagged on anything (whenever that happened, I’d go about two or three plays without being able to put my hand on the ground properly.)
Oh, and on the same drive, I did break a guy’s ribs (OK, OK, it was because I tripped over him, but it still counts.)
by GhostofLarryRose on Oct 22, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Pain is an acquired taste, and
as Kleph says, you do become a connoiseur of it (fuck you, French words!). There are the acute pains, which are terrible and terrifying, e.g., shattered bones, cracked discs, organ failure, migraines.
Then, for those of us with serious pain disorders and pain from serious illnesses, such as fibro or als or cancer, there is a whole ’nother world of pain: One that is so difficult to describe. It is a pain that is a vast black ocean enveloping you; a constant pain that spikes so heavily at times that you are left tiny, in significant in the face of it…as though your own body has swallowed you, and left behind a grain of suffering on an endless beach.
The body is amazing, and these athletes abilities to banish their fear and deal with the actue pain of injuries is truly a sign of mental and physical toughness. But those living with agonizing demylenating illnesses live with pain that can destroy you mentally: There is no hope for abatement. Every day is a struggle. There is no healing. There is only surviving and getting through the day. Tomorrow can/will bring more of the same.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 22, 2010 8:40 AM CDT reply actions
which gets us into the question of "quality of life"
and something many world class athletes must contend with down the road due to the sheer amount of abuse they endure pursuing their goals. remember, its not just that we all can’t function on a physical level they exist at, it’s that the vast majority of us shouldn’t even try given the risks involved..
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That reminds me of all the talk lately about concussions and their impact on football players later on in life.
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by SpockJenkins on Oct 22, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
amen.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 22, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll be honest. I want to increase my income to live comfortably
but I don’t think I would ever put the long term health of my body in jeopardy like that.
In the past two years, since I’ve turned 30, shit doesn’t rebound/heal quite as quickly as it did before. Guess it’s true what they say about running backs and their shelf life.
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by BamaReturns07 on Oct 22, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
isn't that something that can put your health in jeopardy as well?
additional stress, long work hours and insufficient physical activity will cut down on your quality of life down the road significantly as well.
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yeah, those things will but I didn't mention any of those
I have struggled with work/life balance the last few years, especially since my marriage started going down the drain. I had the tendency to always be at work, stay late, stress out over little things. That is an issue I have started to overcome. And otherwise, especially as of late, I am an active person anyway.
But I do see your point. However, you don’t have to put your health at risk to be successful at your job. It’s all about efficiency, not quantity.
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by BamaReturns07 on Oct 22, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
well keep in mind
i’m typing these responses while sitting here wearing a big ole ice pack wrapped on my right knee.
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Hell yeah. I cut part of my finger tip off during the arkansas game
and that shit is still growing back. But the way it has grown back is amazing. And the adrenaline rushed masked the actual pain when it happened.
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by BamaReturns07 on Oct 22, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I found out just how tough
my son was when he cut the tip of his finger off. He was 8 when it happened. He got it caught in the hinge of the pedestrian gate in our neighborhood. I never saw so much blood. You could actually see the very tip of his bone if you looked closely and of course his entire fingernail was gone. He cried, but he held up really good at the ER.
All they did was soak it in iodine, xray it to make sure the bone wasn’t crushed and then we just had to keep it bandaged until the skin grew back over the end of it. His finger is now about 1/4 inch shorter than his other one and his fingernail grew back and looks fairly normal.
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by BamaGirlinDallas on Oct 22, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
gnarley!
if he’s anything like me, the scar becomes a source of pride and something to be shown off….
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by tempebamafan on Oct 22, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's mostly mental
The hardest shot I ever took in Bryant Denny Stadium knocked me out and broke the snaps of my helmet. I hit the ground so hard I literally bounced. I got decleated and all the air was knocked out my body (I let loose a monstrous fart even though I didn’t feel like I had to fart at all prior to the hit).
On impact with the turf, the first thing that went through my head was “Get up, don’t let him know he hurt you” and I started running after him because I wanted to kill him. The play ended after this. But I was out of it and my vision was blurry and my ears were ringing. One thing that motivated me, in that second, was some redneck motherF’er in the stands shouted, ‘BOOOOOOMMMM!’ in a nasally twang and I wanted to kill him and the receiver who’d blindsided me. I wanted to kill everyone on the other side.
I stayed in and played the rest of the series with a broken helmet and a loss of coordination. I didn’t want the guy to know that he’d hurt me and I didn’t want to come out of the scrimmage because you only get so many looks. The only thing that sucked is I was slow off the ball and caught out of position about two plays later and that was my only negative play in the game. It was the only play in the game that I didn’t beat the offense off the snap and they gained like 20 yards to my side because I didn’t hold the edge. Still pisses me off today.
But it also sucked major ass because I never got a chance to drill the guy who’d blindsided me (he took off running when he saw me get up and chase after him) and later in the day when I left the football complex I drove way the hell out of the way for no reason. I was practically to Dreamland—by myself—when I realized my apartment was by campus and I didn’t know where in hell I was. It was the most disoriented I’ve ever been after playing football.
Surprisingly, the most painful injury I ever suffered occurred my frosh year of high school. During camp, I got to be on scout team for varsity. Our fullback ran a sweep and I came flying up from the corner and hit him helmet to helmet. He outweighed me by 110 pounds (I was less than 100 at the time) and I damaged the cartilege in my neck. They took me to the hospital and all that jazz and I was lucky I wasn’t paralyzed. That one sucked, but I won over our varsity coaches as a freshman.
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what was the pain like...
surviving into the fourth quarter? how difficult was it to make your body work at optimum levels given the amount of abuse and physical exertion you’d been subjected to up to that point?
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It didn't matter
first quarter, fourth quarter…I was a motor guy. Had to be. 150% every play whether it’s the first or 80th or 180th. That’s the only way to play.
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not my question...
what was the level of that kind of pain at that point and what was the ways you dealt with it? i understand the emphasis on production but the inquiry here is how you do it under specific types of duress.
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I think he answered your question
If you want to play more than you want to avoid pain, then you play until they have to drag you off.
by GhostofLarryRose on Oct 22, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
no, that's just saying the same thing in different words
i’m askin how do you do it? is it a matter of pulling ones focusing mentally down as tightly as possible or perhaps dissociating as much as possible until the point it’s absolutely necessary? how do you handle the lag between plays when the pain is most noticeable and the wait on the sidelines while the other squad is on the field? how much do you have to focus on hydration and staying loose in order to keep from having a negative response at the critical moment?
saying you do it because you do it doesn’t really give us any understanding of how an athlete can achieve this level of production over such a long period — something i’m personally quite keen on learning more about.
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Desire, will, heart
Maybe it’s some ineffable, inexplicable thing that drives competitive people in sports. Curt Schilling pitching against the Yankees in 2004. He wanted to win more than he was willing to let the pain stop him.
You want to win, you don’t want to give in to another person or to pain so you keep going.
It’s the will to win. I don’t know. You just make yourself keep going.
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sports is not magic
saying ones performance not quantifiable is just not correct. it might not be completely measurable or sufficently understood but there enough similarities between the approaches of elite athletes to know there are some measurable aspects of this that can be studied.
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the will to win is greater than everything else. If losing equals dying to you, you’ll keep playing through anything. You don’t want to give in to an opponent or to pain so you keep playing.
It’s the desire to triumph at any cost.
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that's bullshit
i believe there is an aspect of athletic performance that eludes measurement. but that doesn’t invalidate efforts to qualify that same performance. becaue you might not be aware of the methods you used to handle it doesn’t mean you didn’t use them and it certainly gives you no grounds to dismissthem.
if you don’t have the physical ability to match the player in front of you all the magic tooth fairy powers in the world aren’t going to suddenly make you a captain victorious. physical ability is distributed on a bell curve and you can’t change where genetics placed you on it no matter how much you’d like to believe differently.
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by kleph on Oct 22, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are reading way, way too much into my answer
to call it bullshit or suggest I’m dismissing what you’re saying. I never did that. And you’re getting pissed off and attacking something that doesn’t need to be attacked.
I frankly don’t know and I tried to explain what worked for me and it was the desire to win. I know what I did and I don’t have a scientific explanation
Damn, sorry I can’t explain whatever you’re looking for. Lose the attitude.
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I understand where both of you are coming from.
My rec was not for the scolding, but for the “unquantifiable” factor Kleph mentioned.
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It's all good
I don’t know. It’s mental. I don’t dismiss that there’s something there, but I can’t explain it. I wanted to win. I tried as hard as I could because I was undersized and unathletic and I couldn’t go half speed. I’m naturally about 140 pounds so without the weight room I’d be a really goofy looking dude.
Mentally, I had to be hardcore because I couldn’t fall back on anything. All I had was the desire to win and to me that meant going as hard as I could and fighting through pain.
Different athletes use different approaches to prepare. Steve Carlton used to lie on a bench and imagine pitching a complete game. Every pitch, situation, hitter…he’d do that so he’d be ready mentally. He’d get in the zone.
Some players kick lockers and bang their heads.
Before the “Thrilla in Manila” Joe Frazier imagined fighting Ali 100 times. he imagind every second of every round so he’d be ready when it actually went down and he had to deal with the pain.
I don’t doubt that there’s some way to reach this mental state, but I can’t explain it any better and that’s just the way it is.
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the other thing you should consider
at least with football players, is the peer pressure. The players play with injuries because their teammates do and the coaches expect it.
If you don’t they won’t respect you and more importantly, you’ll be letting them down. I think it’s harder to run a marathon because it’s just you out there.
In football, you might not feel like it, but you have so many people behind you/with you that you can’t let them down. Not to say that discredits what they do because it doesn’t, but it makes playing with pain easier. You don’t want to let the guy next to you down because you know he’s hurting also.
It’s more of a brotherhood thing in football. In boxing and running, you might have to be tougher simply because you’re all alone out there (more or less, with the exception of a trainer or running partner).
"Open your mouth again and I'll nail it shut." Henriques, COMMANDO (1985).
And to piggy back
This is another reason why we—as fans—are extremely important. If we support these guys and love them, they’ll play for us.
They’ll suit up with cracked bones and muscle tears because they don’t want to disappoint us.
But if we’re cursing them it will hurt the team because the guys aren’t going to want to fight through the pain and win for us.
We can motivate them if we support them. People will run through walls for the people they care about.
"Open your mouth again and I'll nail it shut." Henriques, COMMANDO (1985).
Very good point.
If you are a runner and you are in pain there is no one there telling you not to stop. But in football you feel like all your team and all the fans are telling you to keep going. That can have a huge impact on your will.
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by TheGTOJudge on Oct 22, 2010 1:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
redneck motherF’er in the stands shouted, ‘BOOOOOOMMMM!’
By the way…I still want to kill this man so let me know if any of you see him.
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Is that anyway to speak of the Freshmans?
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by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 22, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably was him
It was probably the same guy who walked by me at fan day and told his son not to get my autograph because, as he said, “He’s shitty”. Like Steve Buscemi in Billy Madison I have both men—if they’re not the same guy—on my list of people to kill*
*Not really…god, let’s not get all sensitive…it’s a joke ;-)
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I fucking love you
in a manly sort of way. Here is my man-love list, in no particular order:
Spock
Bamagrad
Kleph
Kenny Chesney
George Clooney
James Bond
Sean Connery
Don motherfucking Draper
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by BamaReturns07 on Oct 22, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
*Spock is my brother, FYI
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by BamaReturns07 on Oct 22, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
It was probably the same guy who walked by me at fan day and told his son not to get my autograph because, as he said, "He’s shitty".
AHAHA! Bamagrad has been outed: He is actually Chris Capps
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by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 22, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck I've got a lot of shit to hide now
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by BamaReturns07 on Oct 22, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
It might seem weird
but one of the reasons Julio will play with so much pain—other than the fact that he’s an F’ing warrior—is that he feels loved. It shows what players will do when they don’t want to let their teammates and fans down.
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And playing through pain is how they do it on his home planet
‘cause that mofo ain’t human; he is a far above.
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by BamaReturns07 on Oct 22, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here is my relationship with pain.
I will use these instances only as examples, not as a yardstick. We all know better and, as BR07 pointed out, it’s different for everyone.
1. At 16, playing FS in high school, I weighed 188 and had 4% body fat. Was fairly strong for my thinness. At Walter
Wellborn High School one night, I hit a 255 lb. TE with a good jump and he essentially carried me out of bounds with him. At said school, their fence was about 4 yds off the sideline. As we slammed into the fence, my knee got smashed between his headgear and the fencepost, snapping my kneecap perfectly in half. I did not feel it at the moment, and attempted to hop right up. As my knee gave, still no pain. I looked down to see my left foot pointing in, but my knee (rapidly swelling) was pointing skyward. No pain until they slipped an air-cast on my leg and inflated it, at which point I pissed myself and passed out. My brother said he heard me yelp from the concession stand.
2. At a secluded spot in Calhoun County, some friends and I were bonfire/beer/reefer partying in the woods. This spot was a turnaround on a Forestry Service road. As we sat there, two cars pull up with a total of 12-14 Latino guys in them. After about 15 minutes, an argument and gunfire ensues. We duck behind the car, which was struck 6 times. As we haul ass out of there, I feel wetness in my shoe. We turn on the interior light to see my entire left leg soaked in blood. A .22 cal. bullet had passed within 1 inch of the largest artery in my thigh, grazed the bone, and exited very close to my sphincter. Only after about 10 min. did the adrenalin wear off, leaving me with this burning sensation I can only describe as all-encompassing. If we had been any farther out, I would have bled out before we made it to RMC.
3. Near Panama City, Panama in ‘89. I’m in the hot seat of a Blackhawk picking up whats left of a MAC/SOG squad from a downtown hotel rooftop. As the squad medic and I are pulling 2 wounded guys in the helo, a burst from what I estimated to be an FN/FAL, rips into the side of the aircraft. I instantly knew, unlike the earlier instance, that I’d been hit with something. In this case, fragments of a steel jacket and the aluminum skin of the helo. It felt like the earlier experience instantly, even though I was already jacked-up on adrenalin and “go-pills”.
I can’t imagine how tough our football players are, due to the factors mentioned earlier. (an unbelievable training staff, diet, etc.) But, you gotta be on another level mentally to function under duress. I know I’ve dogged Julio about his play, but, as you guys pointed out earlier, there is no doubting his toughness. The same can be said for Ingram,Dareus, and many others. These guys are in peak condition and tend to heal a bit quicker than the average person (again, kudos to our staff). It does take an intangible that can’t be quantified to play with pain like that. For that reason, I think twice about players who play hurt. The desire to contribute can outweigh the pain, if it’s in you.
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Were they still passing out dex then? The orange ones?
The beatings will continue til moral improves.....
by mrpelicanpants on Oct 22, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
These were blue-ish
and were a dex derivative. Nasty little fookers, too. I only took ’em when sorties got outta hand.
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