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South Carolina Offense Presents New Challenges

What if I were to tell you that Stephen Garcia was having a career year? Don't laugh. It's true. 

Admittedly we are only one-third of the way through the season, but the early returns for Garcia are impressive. He has posted a QB rating of 161.6, a good 42 points higher than his rating from a year ago, and good enough to put him in the top twenty nationally. Furthermore, he is completing nearly 70% of his passes, averaging over 13 yards per completion, and over 9 yards per attempt. A year ago Garcia completed only 55% of his passes and averaged fewer than 6 yards per attempt. And the untimely interceptions have largely gone away too. He's only been picked off twice this season, both of which came in the route of Furman.

The biggest shortcoming with Garcia is his continued poor pocket presence, which inevitably leads him to taking a high number of sacks. Having said that, though, the 2010 version of the Gamecocks features its usually poor offensive line that is generally incompetent in pass protection, and because of that South Carolina is going to give up a high number of sacks regardless. At least Garcia has enough mobility to make up some yardage on some busted plays, as evidenced by his 83 rushing yards on the season despite being sacked nine times. 

In other words, with the notable exception of two untimely fumbles against Auburn, Garcia has generally played very well in 2010. The fact that Steve Spurrier seems hellbent on benching him says far more about Spurrier's inherently neurotic view of his quarterbacks than it does about any performance shortcomings on the part of Garcia.

Star-divide

And then you have Alshon Jeffery, and, um, yeah Lane, he's not exactly pumpin' gas in Columbia. In fact, Jeffery leads the SEC in catches, receiving yards, and yards per reception. His 18 yards per catch is downright scary, and truth be told you could argue that he is the best receiver in the league, even considering Julio Jones and A.J. Green. In essence, Jeffery is almost a clone of Jones at 6'4 and 233 pounds, and he brings Green's vertical threat to the game. In that regard, he's the best of both worlds.

Fortunately, Marcus Lattimore, looks to be a bit of a paper tiger. For all of the early-season hype that he received, he comes into this game averaging only 4.4 yards per carry -- putting him 155th in the country in that category -- and the best run defense he has faced to yet, Auburn, held him to a mere 33 yards on 14 carries. Lattimore is a physical runner, but he's not a great athlete and he does not provide much of a big-play threat, as evidenced by the fact that he has only three carries to date that have gone for more than sixteen yards. That's not to say he is a bad player, but he does somewhat fit the stereotype of a three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust back, and he's generally going to be someone who needs a high number of carries in order to be effective. 

Combined, though, South Carolina presents us quite a few defensive challenges, and they will put pressure on us in ways that other teams have not. We have not faced a receiver to date anywhere near the level of Jeffery, and for the legitimate criticisms that can be made of Lattimore, we have not yet faced an interior runner to date with anything near his physical style of play. Moreover, Garcia has played well so far, and while not exactly Tim Tebow, he's a dual-threat who can make some plays with his legs if things break down. 

Defensively, Alabama has been making progress in recent weeks and is coming off its best performance of the year, but South Carolina will threaten us in different ways and will thus necessitate a different defensive response.

For example, the nickel package has been our base alignment the past three weeks, but that will go out of the window if South Carolina tries to establish the run between the tackles. Furthermore, Marcell Dareus is at his pass rushing best when playing inside aligned over the guards and center, but can we afford to do that against Lattimore? Will that make us too small at the point of attack along the interior to stop a power running game? Moreover, exactly what do we do with Jeffery? We do not have a cornerback in his league, and defending him will likely require multiple defenders working in unison in some capacity. In essence, it's just a very different type of offensive attack than we've been facing the past three weeks, and we will have to defend it differently. 

And, while the defense has been improving, the key to our defensive success remains red zone play. In the past four games Alabama opponents have driven into the red zone 13 times, but 'Bama has only allowed two touchdowns while finding a way to generate several key turnovers. In terms of point prevention in the red zone, Alabama leads the nation, but admittedly it's a bit hard to imagine that high of a level of success being sustainable moving forward. Simply put, we need to play better before opposing teams reach the red zone, and that point probably should not be taken lightly considering that South Carolina comes into this game leading the SEC in red zone offense, scoring 13 touchdowns in 16 trips to the red zone.

The good news for the Alabama defense is two-fold:

One, for all the threat posed by Jeffery, Garcia, and Lattimore, the South Carolina offensive line is once again terrible, particularly in pass protection. The run blocking has been inconsistent, and injuries have become an issue. Quentin Richardson will likely miss the season after shoulder surgery, Hutch Eckerson missed two games after injuring himself in a touchdown celebration against Georgia, and nagging injuries have slowed several others. The tackles are better than the interior linemen, but even they aren't particularly good. Outside of Vanderbilt, it's probably the worst offensive line in the conference. As Spurrier recently said regarding his offensive line, "We're stuck with what we've got."

Two, while Jeffery may be the best receiver in the conference, South Carolina has almost nothing once you get past him. Their second leading receiver on the team is Ace Sanders, a 5'7, 166 pound true freshman who has caught only five passes on the season. The receivers outside of Jeffery are non-factors to the point that, when not throwing in his direction, South Carolina channels the passing game through tight end Tori Gurley, tailback Marcus Lattimore and fullback Patrick DiMarco.  

And that is how Alabama must stop the Gamecocks defensively on Saturday afternoon. This is not your typically bad South Carolina offense, and in fact it may be the best to date fielded by Spurrier in Columbia. They've got some legitimate threats, and they can score some points. Fortunately, the offensive line remains terrible and that is the key to victory defensively for the Tide. Dominate in the trenches, thereby stopping Lattimore and pressuring Garcia, and then forcing somebody, anybody, aside from Alshon Jeffery to beat you.

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I can hear Dareus say "Meh" from where I sit in Birmingham.

"Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen." - Sir Winston Churchill

by twominutedrill on Oct 7, 2010 1:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I liked Dareus inside.

OTS at what point do you think quickness outweighs mass as a positive in the middle? In other words, we may give up size, but is it worth it to gain his quickness and hence penetration?

"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"

by thecalicocat on Oct 7, 2010 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Irrelevant in the running game.

If he plays the nose and gets into the backfield quickly, if the back gets by him he wins because the interior lineman are presumably on the second and third level hitting backers and safeties that would otherwise make the play.

by Bama philosophe on Oct 7, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not true...

If playing the nose against the run were a matter of quickness then you’d see 3-4 teams with 250 pound nose guards. It’s not that simple. Oh sure you can do that if you can dart into the backfield, but that’s a hell of a lot easier said than done, especially against double teams. At some point, you must have a nose that can absorb a combo-block from the center and a guard, hold strong at the point of attack, and fight his way into the playside A-gap. Undersized, quick nose guards cannot do that.

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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 7, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you misread my point...

It was written sort of cryptically, but I was saying that Dareus isn’t an asset in the running game at nose if he doesn’t eat blockers. I didn’t qualify the antecedent of “if the back gets by him [the quick nose who penetrates without eating blocks] he [the running back] wins because the interior lineman” yadda yadda yadda.

by Bama philosophe on Oct 7, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the million dollar question...

There is no hard point in which one method is favored over the other. It’s an evaluation that has to be made in a specific context against a specific opponent, it’s offensive system, and its interior linemen.

Now, it should be noted that Dareus spent his true freshman year as a third-teamer at nose guard, but who is to say if he can hold up there? It’s sure as hell tempting to try, and I imagine we’ll get him in there as much as possible, but admittedly he’ll be stressed if South Carolina legitimately tries to establish the run between the tackles.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Oct 7, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I took it that.....

We were just moving him around so he can drive the OL crazy. It seems to work…..

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by TideFanAtlanta on Oct 7, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he would be a good fit at nose, just to draw a double team in the middle...

He seems to draw a double team on the outside, I just think he would be more disruptive in the middle since Saban wants to force everything outside….

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by mrpelicanpants on Oct 7, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

And remember...

Dareus is in the 290-300 lb range, so it’s not exactly like he’s terribly undersized..

by sandman227 on Oct 7, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

^ This....big time

Dareus is a threat from anywhere on the line, but his ability to take two with him is an asset within itself, and, imho, should be exploited to the maximum. He’ll draw a crowd no matter where he lines up. His freakish speed and strength (when healthy) is nearly impossible to contain. I say leave him at nose…there is probably only one Center in the SEC that can hang with him one on one….and he plays for us.

"...because you've got your mind right, and that's the way we like it." Nick Saban

by SRGBama on Oct 7, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's all this about penetration and liking Dareus inside? Giving up size for quickness?

I bet at least a dozen posters’ brains went into catastrophic overload trying to frame up a “that’s what she said” just right, and fainted dead on their keyboards.

by Bubdylan on Oct 7, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I went catatonic and missed my carpool.

"...we have not seen anything what we think they can do when there so menny thing we have not seen out of this team, we will seen a lot more in this game buyt still not all." - RBR forum sage, sburton305.

by UtahBammer on Oct 7, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

sburton305 really knows his football. It's just a rough presentation.

"...we have not seen anything what we think they can do when there so menny thing we have not seen out of this team, we will seen a lot more in this game buyt still not all." - RBR forum sage, sburton305.

by UtahBammer on Oct 7, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

uhhh...thats what she said? /ducks,runs for window, jumps

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

by mrpelicanpants on Oct 7, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Contain, cover, clog, basically...

…will be our base approach, while picking our spots to attack. This is our secondary’s biggest matchup challenge thus far with Jeffery. Single man cover, with a spy or helper…? Too much of that will leave us vulnerable elsewhere.

This guy thinks Garcia can lead an upset. His points leave Alabama’s offense completely out of his calculations, though.

I look for a big kick return for us this week from someone.

by Jeff Jones on Oct 7, 2010 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Clay Travis can write a good book about gameday drinks....

But a football expert he is not. He is just a fan like anybody else.

Fumbles. It was always Fumbles

by DocFumbles on Oct 7, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

anybody can look at 6 1/2 point underdog at home

and say they have a shot. Of course they have a shot but they will have to play very well to beat the Tide and may have to get some breaks to do it. I just hope we don’t go in there and get in a hole that we have to dig out of. They key will be getting our offense in gear early and I believe that Gmac is going to have to make some plays early so we can get our ground game in gear.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Oct 7, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

While I would not pick SC

you have to admit this game is a big challenge.

I think the whole key for Bama is rattling Garcia. I look for Upshaw and Hightower to ge th ejob done.

As fas as covering Jeffery it is a problem. I hope we can prevent the home run ball and make SC take it down the field slowly. We are more likely to get a turnover or a big sack and thus stop their drive.

By the way, inspite of Auburn’s scoring outburst, I think their D is decent.

As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.

by 5026 on Oct 7, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spurrier's problem

is that in his eyes there will never be a better quarterback than Steve Spurrier.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Oct 7, 2010 1:21 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Tru dat. My 83 y/o football lovin Mom hates Spurrier.

She thinks he is arrogant. Cant argue that point.

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by tbone57 on Oct 7, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

arrogant i can live with

letting your ego get in the way of making the proper decision for the team i can’t.

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by kleph on Oct 7, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bet He Thinks

He can throw the football a quarter-mile.

by jjdrumz on Oct 7, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it was only '82.

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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Oct 7, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

he'd go back and take state.

"He grabbed his ear and tried to yank it from his head. His teammates stopped him and his managers bandaged him … He wanted to tear off his own ear so he could keep playing." - Tennessee tackle Bull Bayer regarding Alabama player Hargrove Van de Graaff and the 1913 Alabama vs. Tennessee game.

by Thomas Walker Esq on Oct 7, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

i've never heard that said before, but you are absolutely right, +1

It was a woman who drove me to drink and I never got a chance to thank her.

by bamagary on Oct 7, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bama's D is gonna feast on this offense.

So far this season SC has faced the # 26, #55 and #100 pass efficiency defenses(excluding Furman) Bama has the #3 PED.
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As for Garcia’s rushing ability he’s had 35 rushing attempts thus far for 83 total yds, an average of 2.4 ypc. Also SC is # 101 in sacks allowed this year.
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Did I mention the SC defense gives up an average of 368.5 YPG?

Hold my beer and watch this.

by silentboob on Oct 7, 2010 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly this

You saved me some typing.

While I believe SC will play us tougher than they have their previous opponents, these numbers don’t lie. Will that offense be able to outperform our defense consistently enough to negate our offensive output?

All signs point to no.

I’m not predicting domination on a saurian scale, but it’s going to take a consistently great game by them and enough meltdown by us on both sides of the ball for the Cocks to pull out a win.

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by clarence on Oct 7, 2010 2:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Right

It’s a 4-quarter game. Does USCe have the depth to match Bama for 4-quarters of play? As long as we don’t get into a hole (Arky) even if it remains close through 2-1/2 quarters Bama’s excellent depth should be the determining factor.

Hold my beer and watch this.

by silentboob on Oct 7, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great write-up OTS but . . .

. . . you have exaggerated Ashlon Jeffrey’s abilities. He is an excellent receiver, leading the SEC in total catches (27), reception yards (498), and receptions per game (6.75). However, he does not lead the league in yards per catch (18.44). There are several SEC receivers that have a higher average of yards per reception. Of receivers with 10 or more catches the leaders are Markeith Summers (22.0), Jarius Wright (21.8), Tavarres King (20.9), Joe Adams (20.47), Kris Durham (19.06), and then Jeffrey.

As you point out, they got nothing to go with him. He averages 6.75 catches per game because they don’t throw to anybody else. That probably means that there are a number of receivers in the SEC that would be putting up his sort of numbers if they were thrown to as often as he is. He is an excellent receiver with incredible size and athleticism that will almost certainly be playing on Sundays very soon, but I don’t think he is yet the third best receiver in the league.

by toofull on Oct 7, 2010 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

However, he does not lead the league in yards per catch (18.44). There are several SEC receivers that have a higher average of yards per reception. Of receivers with 10 or more catches the leaders are Markeith Summers (22.0), Jarius Wright (21.8), Tavarres King (20.9), Joe Adams (20.47), Kris Durham (19.06), and then Jeffrey.

It depends on the receptions limit. If you look at only those with 20+ catches — thereby focusing only on starters and legitimate #1 receivers, and mitigating the statistical impact of one big catch — then Jeffery is the leader and run laps around most receivers.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Oct 7, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not exactly

Kris Durham is the leading receiver for Georgia with 17 catches and Joe Adams has 19 for Arkansas. Arbitrarily setting the cutoff at 20 catches distorts the value of the statistic. He is a great player but there are several players in the league that could match his stats if thrown to as often.

by toofull on Oct 7, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't change the fact that

Jeffries has 20+ catches and is averaging 18.44 ypc.

by krnxprs on Oct 7, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither Durham or Adams are the #1 receiver on their own teams. That’s the point of putting the cut-off at a higher point.

He is a great player but there are several players in the league that could match his stats if thrown to as often.

You can defend that statement, I won’t.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Oct 7, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure how you're defining #1 receiver

Durham was the #1 receiver while Green was out, and he did very well. He had more yards per catch than Jeffrey. Take away Jeffrey’s 69 yard catch against Auburn and his yards per catch average drops below Auburn’s leading receiver, Darvin Adams. Not exactly elite territory. Jeffrey is an excellent receiver but not yet in the SEC elite category. He just gets thrown to a lot because the other receivers are not very good and Garcia is not very good at spreading it around.

by toofull on Oct 7, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

alshon has impressed me

more than any of the clowns at arky or the university of aubrun. he is pretty much like OTS said, the sole target of the offense. He’s making catches in double coverage on 3rd down when everyone knows he’s getting the ball. he’s big, he’s physical. I’ll keep an eye on him for my fantasy team when he’s a rookie…(btw, being an SEC fan is a total advantage when playing nfl fantasy football. i mean, i pretty much hate the nfl and dont want to waste much time on it. so having the SEC thouroghly scouted helps me. about 50% of my roster is SEC running backs and WR’s. and i do better than most folks in my league, and i hate the NFL. thanks SEC!)

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by tempebamafan on Oct 7, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

peyton hillis in round 13 FTW!

In an industrial society which confuses work and productivity, the necessity of producing has always been an enemy of the desire to create. - Raoul Vaneigem

take this job and shove it - Johnny Paycheck

by tempebamafan on Oct 7, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hillis helped me out a little 2 years ago

when everyone in the Denver backfield got injuries. He’s killin it for me again this year

"He grabbed his ear and tried to yank it from his head. His teammates stopped him and his managers bandaged him … He wanted to tear off his own ear so he could keep playing." - Tennessee tackle Bull Bayer regarding Alabama player Hargrove Van de Graaff and the 1913 Alabama vs. Tennessee game.

by Thomas Walker Esq on Oct 7, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its only a matter of time til he gets popped for PED's.....

You would think he would do something to hide it…..nope, there he is, looking like a big ol’ Jersey Shore cast member, complete with shaved arms…..but he is strong like bull…..

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

by mrpelicanpants on Oct 7, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brian Cushing approves

"He grabbed his ear and tried to yank it from his head. His teammates stopped him and his managers bandaged him … He wanted to tear off his own ear so he could keep playing." - Tennessee tackle Bull Bayer regarding Alabama player Hargrove Van de Graaff and the 1913 Alabama vs. Tennessee game.

by Thomas Walker Esq on Oct 7, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even Lattimer wonders alound "What the hell is HE ON?"

It aint none of that cheapo, counterfeit stuff from Tijuana, I can tell you that. Thats some pure German/Polish/Russian/Eastern Bloc stuff right there, straight from the Strongman contest….

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

by mrpelicanpants on Oct 7, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Starting Defense!!! Place at the Table!!! WHOOOOO!!!

nah, I heard it got it from the guy on the right

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by Thomas Walker Esq on Oct 7, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very good analysis other than...

the part about the receivers. The numbers may not be there so far, but the rest of the receiving corps is very good and presents a nice combination of size and speed. Jeffery has been able to continue putting up huge numbers because taking your eyes off the other receivers is a mistake against Carolina. I don’t think it would be a stretch to say that we have the SEC’s best receiving corps; it’s definitely the position of strength for this offense by far. You can bet that Saban sees one of the biggest challenges in this game as being how to find a way to limit Jeffery without allowing the other receivers to kill him. You can also bet that at some point there will be a game when a team will sell out to stop Jeffery and either Gurley or Sanders will catch for over 100 yards.

The problem for the Carolina offense is, as you say, the line. Some say it’s a little better than last year, but I think the main thing that’s different is that we now have a back in Lattimore who can make the line look a bit better than it is. We’re atrocious in pass protection. Expect ’Bama’s front line to feast in this game.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 7, 2010 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I think saying

your receiving corps is better than Arky’s is a stretch.

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by Slice of Life on Oct 7, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

But the real difference probably has more to do with Spurrier / Petrino, our line / Ark.’s line, and Mallett / Garcia.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 7, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed + 1,000,000,000

However I would take out the “at least” I would put Hanks’ catching ability and route running up against anyone. Hanks is clutch !!! Maze, besides being a great WR with elite speed and a knack for the circus catch also has a QB rating of 589.6 which ties him for 1st in the nation.

Hold my beer and watch this.

by silentboob on Oct 7, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by The GTO Judge on Oct 7, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

"at least" makes my statement stronger

by putting that in there I am stating that we may even be better (: Which by the way I believe we are. Hanks is always good for a big play or two in almost every game.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Oct 7, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

we have the best WR corps in the country

we just dont make it well known due to our play calling style. but yeah, Hanks is our 3rd WR? he’ll be in the NFL, not sure about Maze. and of course Julio (while not being better than AJ, the guy from Pitt, niles paul, broyels, etc…) will be the first WR drafted this april.

our WR corps is the best in the country IMO.

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by tempebamafan on Oct 7, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

forgot to add "MDWM" in my parenthesis...

In an industrial society which confuses work and productivity, the necessity of producing has always been an enemy of the desire to create. - Raoul Vaneigem

take this job and shove it - Johnny Paycheck

by tempebamafan on Oct 7, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

But the real difference probably has more to do with Spurrier / Petrino, our line / Ark.’s line, and Mallett / Garcia.

Hence, they’re better. Team sport. Did that actually make any sense to you when you typed it?

"He grabbed his ear and tried to yank it from his head. His teammates stopped him and his managers bandaged him … He wanted to tear off his own ear so he could keep playing." - Tennessee tackle Bull Bayer regarding Alabama player Hargrove Van de Graaff and the 1913 Alabama vs. Tennessee game.

by Thomas Walker Esq on Oct 7, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's interesting, Floyd...
I don’t think it would be a stretch to say that we have the SEC’s best receiving corps; it’s definitely the position of strength for this offense by far.

They may be the best in the SEC. In fact, it may be the single greatest receiving corps in the history of time. Sharks may have a week dedicated to them. Future generations may worship monuments built in their honor.

Unfortunately, at some point, instead of talking about hype, size, strength, speed, whatever, you actually have to go out and do something, and to date the South Carolina receivers outside of Jeffery have done nothing, even while 75% of their games played to date have come against either a Division 1-AA opponent or BCS conference teams not in the top 50 nationally in pass efficiency. Now maybe they should be something great, but until they actually do, I’ll go with on-field performance, and that tells me this is a bad unit outside of Jeffery.

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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 7, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong.

You’re only looking at the past few games instead of the complete body of work. Gurley was the go-to receiver last year before Jeffery emerged, and Jason Barnes has been a solid second or third option for the past three years. Both are proven options that we’re confident we can go to when needed. Because Jeffery is getting open for big plays every other down, though, we haven’t had to this year.

Like I said, I can guarantee that your defensive coaching staff does not see our receiving corps as a weakness.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 7, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can't be serious

Jeffrey was your leading receiver last year, as a freshman! Your 2nd and 3rd leading receivers were your running backs. You’ve got no leg to stand on other than the perception that the other guys showed flashes every now and then.

by toofull on Oct 7, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um, yes...

Let’s look at last year:

  1. Receiver: True freshman
  2. Receiver: Since graduated
  3. Receiver: Tight end
  4. Receiver: Tight end; since kicked off team
  5. Receiver: Jason Barnes
  6. Receiver: Tailback
  7. Receiver: Tailback

You’re entire argument basically rests on the assertion that the receiver corps is great because a guy with one catch this year averaged a whopping two catches per game last year as the #5 receiver on a team that threw the ball 440 times.

And Gurley is a tight end, let’s be honest. Spurrier can split him out wide all he wants, South Carolina can list him as a wide receiver, but he’s a tight end, and he’s consistently used in ways that you would use a tight end, regardless of his alignment.

Look, I’m not trying to be a dick here, and I’m usually not one to overly dissect opposing fans in the comments, but I’m honestly having a hard time merely fathoming how your argument could be any weaker.

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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 7, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

in fairness

he’s arguing it’s “very good and presents a nice combination of size and speed.”

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by kleph on Oct 7, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not the statement I take issue with

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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 7, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

"The SEC's best receiving corps" . . .

. . . is what I read.

According to the statistics, Arkansas has the best receiving corps in the SEC, hands down. This year and last year. This year, four of the top 12 receivers in the SEC are at Arkansas (Childs, Adams, Wright, and Williams). Last year, they had 3 of the top 12 receivers in the SEC (Childs, Adams, and Wright).

Compare that to South Carolina. This year they have Jeffrey in first, then Gurley in 32nd, and then Lattimore is 52nd. This guy Barnes that he is going on about has a single catch this year for 16 yards, and he is said to be a key cog in “the SEC’s best receiving corps.” Last year Jeffrey finished 8th and the ubiquitous Barnes finished 41st with 26 catches for 287 yards, a little less than Colin Peek’s numbers for the year.

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by toofull on Oct 7, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't judge a WR group by raw stats alone.

Arky’s gonna have big numbers cause the damn near throw the ball at a 4:1 ratio. That doesn’t mean they are the greatest evah…In this case, Arky’s WR’s are both stat whores and dangerous as hell but thats not always the case.

When I look an opposing offense, Im looking at how they match up against our DB’s. I think we match up better against bigger, taller, buta tad slower WR’s than speedsters…

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by bammer on Oct 7, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Numbers are for suckers. You can’t trust those squiggles for nothing.

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by Slice of Life on Oct 7, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

not for suckers.

42 answers everything

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by Thomas Walker Esq on Oct 7, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Admittedly,

42 is less squiggly than most numbers.*

*zero research put into backing up this statement, which is appropriate given this is an indirect response to Gamecock Man.

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by Slice of Life on Oct 7, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

True . . .

. . . but my point is that without at least some stats to back it up, it is a stretch to say that SC has the SEC’s best receiving corps. Part of the argument for Arky’s receiving corps is that Arky both throws a lot and completes a lot. SC is not even in the same ballpark.

by toofull on Oct 7, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe i was reading his comments the wrong way

but i didn’t take like he was saying it was hands down the best. He’s even said that its ONE of the best…

Looking at the WR groups around the SEC id say these are the top 4 IMO

1. Arky
2. Bama
3. SC
4. UF

And seriously, 3-5 could be interchanged…

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by bammer on Oct 7, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo. bammer wins the RBR reading comprehension award.

I never said I think we have the best SEC receiving corps hands down. I do think we have an argument there, and if you want stats, go back to the ones outsidethelines mentioned—it takes more than one good receiver to help Stephen fucking Garcia place his QB rating over 161. You don’t have to agree with me there, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to question the original article when it basically called our receivers garbage outside of Jeffery.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 7, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never said . . .

. . . that you were making a hands down argument or obviously best argument. The point of all the stats was to show that the much weaker “I don’t think it would be a stretch” argument does not even get off the ground. In other words, I think that OTS has shown that indeed it is a stretch to argue that SC has the SEC’s best receiving corps. It’s a solid, middle of the SEC pack receiving corps. But in order to legitimately argue that it is not a stretch “to say that we have the SEC’s best receiving corps,” you’ve got to deliver on something other than “you can bet” arguments. Those are “what if” arguments. Let’s talk about what this receiving corps has accomplished that can legitimately support the notion that it is not a stretch to say that this is the SEC’s best receiving corps.

There’s no there there. You’re 5th in passing offense and 5th in passing efficiency. All of the evidence seems to point to the notion that is a stretch to say that this is the SEC’s best receiving corps. What else you got?

by toofull on Oct 8, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm done with you guys.

Man, I have never been more sorry I came to an opponent’s blog in my life. You all are so full of yourselves. You can’t even admit that some other team may be better than you guys in a certain area. This rampant stuck up attitude makes me want to lay down in the fetal position and barf.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Oct 8, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow. thin skin?

the allegation here is that south carolina has the best wide recievers in the conference. we disagree and point out very specific reasons why. and then we’re supposed to care you get butthurt and take your ball and go home?

there a lot of areas other teams are better than ours. you just haven’t pointed them out and — here’s the important part — backed it up worth a damn.

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by kleph on Oct 8, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I can say one thing for sure.

I’m glad I didn’t go to Alabama. I would’ve transfered after one week. I bet even the custodians over there think they’re gods.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Oct 8, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

buh bye

silwer bwade

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by tbone57 on Oct 8, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

see...

im only an ass to auburn and UT fans :)

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by bammer on Oct 8, 2010 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gamecocks fans aren't the only ones who think we have a great receiving corps.

Several significant commentators prior to the season claimed that we would have a good one. Has our passing game disappointed? You pointed out yourself that Garcia has a high completion percentage and QB rating. He hasn’t earned that by tossing it to a double-teamed Jeffery on every play. We’re able to spread the field and force opposing defenses to account for multiple receivers who can make plays. If Jeffery is the one who usually gets the ball, it’s partly because opposing defenses can’t key in on him, allowing him to get open. Again, Saban knows our other receivers are threats. HIs approach will not be as simple as forcing someone other than Jeffery to make catches.

And Gurley is a receiver. Early last season, he played Jeffery’s position and was the guy we went to in the vertical game. Spurrier isn’t afraid to use him that way again this year. However, because of Jeffery’s emergence, we now have the luxury to use Gurley in multiple ways, and I’ll grant that he’s capable of doing some of the things that TEs do. Blocking, indeed, has been his strength this year. Do you not consider blocking ability to be a relevant factor in evaluating WRs? Because blocking is certainly the best part of Julio Jones’s game.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 7, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Julio is a great blocking wide receiver

but to claim that is the “best part of his game” is ridiculous. If he leaves this year he is going to go in the first round and NFL WRs are not drafted that high because they can block. If Julio played in an offense where he was the only weapon, he would have bigger numbers. You are really starting to look like a dog chasing his tail. Bottom line is that the Tide expects a tough game on Saturday.

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by mobilematt12 on Oct 7, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's fair enough.

Saying that it’s the “best part of his game” probably is ridiculous. However, I’m certainly not the best analyst who has said that Jones’s route-running and pass-catching abilities are a little below some those of A. J. Green and some of the other elite prospects but that his willingness and ability to block give him an overall skill set that may make him the best of the pack come draft time. And if we’re going to credit Jones’s blocking ability, why not Gurley’s? Gurley’s downfield blocking is part of the reason why Jeffery is putting up such high yardage.

I’m just a little surprised to see our receiving corps getting slammed here. I’ll drop it, though. I can see I can’t air my opinion over here without getting flamed. Good luck Saturday and I hope any of you who make the trip to SC enjoy your stay and meet some nice Gamecocks fans.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 7, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its really a non-issue. Great WR's or not, Garcia behind a ....

suspect O-Line with blitzes dialed up to put a hat on Garcia before he can get cranked up will tell the tale. I say, if you guys dont score thru the air or on a steady diet of screens and slant routes mixing in the run, you will run into a bunch of 3rd and longs like Florida did, and will probably get the same result. I am sure G-Mac, concussion or not, wants to come out throwing the ball to set up the run, just so he can get his stats back in line….but to mainly win the game. Ya’ll have had an off week to prep for this exam, lets see if they can remember what they are supposed to do when they are getting popped play after play, and would like Bama to stop hitting them so hard….

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by mrpelicanpants on Oct 7, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Physical domination FTW.

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by UtahBammer on Oct 7, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you did give your opinion

And no one is hating on you for giving an opinion. This is OUR blog however, and I think we are allowed to give our opinion also. Dont be upset if you get ganged up on when on ANOTHER blog besides your own.

by tidefanstuckatlsu on Oct 7, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's already made it

known elsewhere that he has no love for Alabama fans….i guess we were too much for him during his stint in the yellow hammer state…

I look at the SC WR core as a good but not great unit. They have their play makers but i wouldn’t say they are better than Arky or even UF for that matter…at least from the standpoint that I’m worried our DB’s will get burned. Of course if we don’t account for their #1 guy, we’ll be in trouble, but i find it hard to believe that Saban will take this group for-granted.

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by bammer on Oct 7, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flamed?

No, bro. Just beaten into submission by reason, logic and straight numbers.

Y’all come back now.

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by UtahBammer on Oct 7, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm...

Where I’m from, reason, logic, and argumentation require honestly engaging what the other person has to say. What I was saying from the beginning was that the numbers so far this year don’t tell the whole story when it comes to our receiving corps and I offered some reasons for why I think that’s the case. However, this isn’t a shocking point and no football coach would disagree. No one really addressed any of the points I brought up, and multiple posters seem to think I’m crazy because I said that I don’t think it would be a “stretch” to say we have the best corps in the SEC, which most posters seemed to take as me saying that I think we “obviously” have the best receiving corps. I wouldn’t call what happened a legitimate argument but rather a flame war.

A few good points were made by other posters in the foregoing that are worth remark. I think the guy that said the real key for ‘Bama is to get us in third-and-long is spot on. ’Bama’s ability to control the line of scrimmage against our offensive line is the Tide’s greatest defensive strength in this game, and if we can’t figure out a way to offset this, it won’t matter how many good receivers we have. I also think that what Bammer said about ‘Bama matching up well against our taller receivers is probably true. Gurley and Jeffery’s best attributes are not speed; they’re size. ‘Bama has a bigger, more physical secondary than what we’ve seen so far, and I don’t think we’ll have the matchup advantages that we’ve enjoyed against some of the other teams we’ve played. Sanders is a pretty speedy guy, but he’s still a bit unproven in games that matter. At any rate, again, I don’t think it’ll matter much if we can’t protect Garcia.

BTW, here’s another way to look at this. In one mock draft, Alshon Jeffery is currently listed as the top NFL WR prospect for 2013. Tori Gurley is listed as the 10th. By contrast, this one for 2012 has Julio Jones listed 1st and Marquis Maze listed 20th. (I’m aware that Jeffery and Jones will leave early.) I’m not presenting this to say that our group is necessarily better than yours, but if you don’t think that Gurley is a legitimate threat, I’m just going to say that you should be glad that your coaching staff has watched the tape of Gurley’s better moments and surely knows what it’s dealing with.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 7, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

eehhhh dont take it to seriously cock man...

we take football just a little seriously round these parts…I don’t think anyone here would look at the SC WR core and say, “Wow…what a bunch of numb nutts”. If you’re good enough to start at an SEC school sans Vandy UT and Ole Miss, than you have to be pretty damn good. I was actually most worried before the season about the impact Saunders would have in the game…Unfortunately for you but fortunate for us, he’s not playing.

Let me ask you this. Do you think the ’10 Cocks are better than their ’09 brethren?

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by bammer on Oct 7, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

I think we’re better offensively and worse defensively. On offense, having Lattimore has made a big difference. I agree with outsidethelines that Lattimore has been a little overhyped (the Herschel and Bo comparisons after the UGA game were certainly way overdone), but it’s made a big difference for us to have someone who can break tackles and gain three or four yards on first down. He’s also a very good receiver out of the backfield. Our line sucks, so we need someone like Lattimore to have any semblance of a running game. As some others have pointed out here, we’re not comfortable with third and long because our line and Garcia are incapable of dealing with blitzes. Lattimore has helped us avoid having to deal with that problem as much.

The other reason the offense is better is because Jeffery has matured a good bit. We’ve gone over that in detail here. Garcia also seems to have improved in some respects, although I wouldn’t go too far with that one.

The defense, so far, appears to be worse than last year. We’ve struggled to develop a good pass rush without Eric Norwood, and we’re having lots of problems against mobile QBs and in mid-range pass coverage, as well. I think we have decent talent on defense, but we’ve struggled to find playmakers and to define our identity. I’m really interested to see how Ellis Johnson has responded to getting carved up by Auburn. We’ll see.

Also, while you’re obviously giving the receiving corps some credit, outsidethelines says that we “have nothing past Jeffery” and that we have a “bad unit.” Hence my reply.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 7, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

well to be fair...and i think most people would

agree with me here…OTS is extremely harsh when it comes to..well pretty much everything..Im not saying he’s wrong and you’re right but that you can’t get offended by his lack of respect for this particular part of your team. He’s just brutally honest….

Your answer concerning the differences iinboth teams was about what i expected…My thoughts are simple…

Last year SC was able to stay in the game largely due to the defense. The offense struggled to convert on some big plays and thought it could pick on our “weakest” link and failed miserably…Looking at this game, I dont see your defense being able to stop our offense. This will be your downfall.

The defense, so far, appears to be worse than last year. We’ve struggled to develop a good pass rush without Eric Norwood, and we’re having lots of problems against mobile QBs and in mid-range pass coverage, as well.

Gmac is a completely different QB He thrives on the short and intermediate passing game and I have yet to see anyone stop it…The last team to really have success in doing that was Texas in the NCG.

But i do think your offense will have more success than last year…Garcia is improved and should get some big plays but its just wont be enough.

So basically, the roles will change, but the results will be the same..

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by bammer on Oct 7, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's all pretty fair.

You have no reason not to be confident. I think the game may be a little closer than some of the predictions I’ve seen here, and I don’t think an upset is out of the question if Carolina gets some breaks. Crazier things have happened before than a 6 1/2 point dog winning a home game. However, what I basically expect is a relatively close game but one that ‘Bama controls for the most part and wins in the end. Unless our defense has magically improved, then ’Bama is clearly the better team at this point. ’Bama does the important things—controlling the line of scrimmage, running the football, etc.—better than Carolina, and that should make the difference. You’re probably right that we’ll see a higher-scoring game than last year but a similar margin of victory for ’Bama.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 7, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

SC certainly has a chance.

 i could see them hitting one or two big passing plays and having some success with lattimore running right at as (dont run side to side. it wont work unless its a reverse in which case it might work once) and with the home field advantage along with potential turnover luck. Bama could play a good game for the most part and still find themselves trailing as the 4th quarter rolls around. after tennesee, auburn, then arky. i aint writing off solid SEC teams, especially if its a road game.

ultimately though i still think Bama does win by 10 to 14 points. i have to assume that the luck and calls will go both ways, and if that happens then Bama should be able to score, consume clock, and keep SC from moving the ball with nearly as much regularity as Bama will.

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by tempebamafan on Oct 8, 2010 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jefferies

I do not a think Jefferies is bad WR at all. I’m little concerned he may get some yards on our Defense, but USC will have a tough time passing to him all game. Eventually the INT’s will be a problem for USC.

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by Crimsontide on Oct 7, 2010 6:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Crystal ball says...

Alabama has 300 yards rushing and 200 yards passing by game’s end.

Still hazy on the final score but 37-23 pops up frequently.

No maths used here.

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by UtahBammer on Oct 7, 2010 6:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Recently, 37-13 has replaced 37-23.

Oh yeah. RTR.

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by UtahBammer on Oct 7, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont see SC

scoring more points on us than Arky. I say they get about 13-17 with us scoring about 31+

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by bammer on Oct 7, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

You did well with the article 'til you got to the receivers.

Tori Gurley is the number two receiver, not a tight end. Carolina does like to go to Jeffery a lot, but that doesn’t mean the other receivers stink. In fact, Carolina has one of the deepest receiving groups in the nation. The reason no number two receiver gets the kinds of numbers as Jeffery is ’cause there are so many good options behind him that they spread the ball around a lot.

D.L. Moore (6’4", 211) has two touchdowns on the year. Tori Gurley (6’5", 230) has two as well, and gets his touches every game as the other official starter. Occasionally, they’ll get Ace Sanders (5’7", 166) involved, being the speediest of the group. He also has great hands, but is a true freshman, and it’s hard to get a lot of playing time as a true freshman with a receiving group this deep. Jason Barnes (6’4", 211) will see the field every now and then, but has been supplanted by other guys for the most part.

You’re right about the tight ends and backs though, they use them in the passing game as well. Maddox, Sherman, Lattimore, Miles, DiMarco, and Cunningham are targets in Spurrier’s offense. That just further dilutes the other receivers’ touches, but it isn’t because of any talent deficiency with them. There are just too many guys who can catch on the team. In particular, for a power back, Lattimore has incredible hands.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Oct 7, 2010 10:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Call in the reinforcements!!

We’re being overrun! Lol. Jus playin’.

I love talking to the opposition before the game. That’s my favorite part of it all, seeing how they expect the game to go and what we need to watch from their guys.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Oct 7, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like chatting with the opposition, too.

Can’t say this has been the most hospitable welcome I’ve ever received, but I guess I can’t fault the ’’Bama fans for taking their football seriously.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 7, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

the confidence that you're referring to

is the result of 3 plus seasons of Process. as long as our coach has our guys in the right mindset, we truly do feel no one can stop them. so sue us….

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by tempebamafan on Oct 8, 2010 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have no reason not to be cocky.

’Bama and Saban are badasses. No doubt.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 8, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

we just think that, alshon aside, your WR corps is nothing to write home about

and we certainly will argue that even with alshon, y’all aint close to having the best WR group in the SEC, ours is better, and Arkys is certainly better.

i respect y’alls team and your coach. i think alshon is a real bad ass as well as lattimore. welcome to RBR and good luck this season. i hope y’all win out, except for the 1 (would be 2 if you do win out) game vs Bama.

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by tempebamafan on Oct 8, 2010 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't even see how you all would know.

How many Carolina games do you all actually watch? That’s what confuses me about this conversation. I watch every Carolina game, and read a lot of articles on them. Why is it that you all are so resolute in your opinions of our receivers when me and the other Carolina fan should know more about the topic? If you all said you had the best offensive line in the nation, I wouldn’t argue with you ‘cause I don’t know anything about your line, or much of your team for that matter. All I know is what I saw when Alabama played Florida.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Oct 8, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

cant speak for the rest of the folks on here (but i'm certain i'm not the only opne)

but i watched most of the Southern miss, Georgia, and Auburn games. and i checked in on the Furman game as well. (ESPN Gameplan is my savior our here in pac 10 country)

i’ve been extolling the virtues of Alshon for a few weeks now. like i said earlier int he thread though, the rest of your WR group seemed entirely unremarkable to me. i havn’t noticed a single other player make plays in the recieving category, other than alshon. but granted, i only watched most of three games and part of a 4th.

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by tempebamafan on Oct 8, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can’t say this has been the most hospitable welcome I’ve ever received, but I guess I can’t fault the ’’Bama fans for taking their football seriously.

we might be prickly buti think you’ll agree that the bottom line is we want to discuss the issues. we appreciate you helping us by keeping the tone of the discourse at that level.

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by kleph on Oct 8, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt.

You guys know your football and I admire the passion you have for the game.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 8, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks for stopping by

and i know i certainly do wish you guys all the best the rest of the season and i hope you really put a whippin on florida.

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by tempebamafan on Oct 8, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

that just read like a Bleacher Report article

/justsayin

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by Thomas Walker Esq on Oct 7, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

no one said they were "bad"

and confuseing “deep” with “tall” has worked out so very well for the chargers

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by Thomas Walker Esq on Oct 7, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

please don't take my spelling as indicative of the Alabama public education system,

I’ve been drinking in the other thread

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by Thomas Walker Esq on Oct 7, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

you should see what he says about our defense

“bad” would be an improvement. regardless, unremarkable would have to be the best way to describe y’alls receivers who are not named alshon. is that better than “bad”?

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by tempebamafan on Oct 8, 2010 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen all our receivers beat too many defenders deep this year and last year to think all they are is tall. And, no, not all of those plays are on official stat sheets. Several were called back for holding penalties, and the quarterback overthrew them on other occasions. You can believe what you want though. We can just agree to disagree.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Oct 7, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geez, you cocks are sensitive tonight (couldn't resist)

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by Thomas Walker Esq on Oct 7, 2010 10:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Re: speed...

In addition to what you said, I think we will see Sanders get worked in more and more as he learns the offense. That will increasingly add a new dimension to the passing game.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 7, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

Spurrier has a soft spot for speed merchants. In his Gator days, he would usually have at least one guy in the slot with world-class speed. More often than not, that aforementioned speed merchant would be the recipient of the Shotgun end-around…bubble and slip-screens, as well. As Lattimore develops, I see him catching a buttload of passes and doing some damage in the open field. The future of SCs running game looks brighter, for certain. It still blows my mind that Spurrier can’t seem to land that 4 or 5 star O- lineman that lives up to his ratings. Next year will be a better one for you guys…provided the ‘ol ball coach doesn’t retire. I’m looking forward to this weekends one-on-one matchups between our DBs and your physical WRs. I consider it crucial due to our youth at DB, but, if our defensive pressure is there up front…it’ll be a looong night for Garcia.

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by SRGBama on Oct 7, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of reading comprehension . . .

. . . OTS did not say that Gurley was not listed as a wide receiver. He said Gurley is not used like a typical wide receiver; he is used more like a tight end.

All the other analysis is encouraging to SC fans but I’m looking at the fact that Gurley has caught a grand total of 12 passes, Sanders has 5 catches, and Moore has 4.

But here’s the question: It the receiving corps is so awesome and Garcia has such a fucking high passing efficiency rating, why the hell don’t the Cocks throw more often? Garcia’s average of 14 completions per game (7th in the SEC) seems awfully low for a team with a receiving corps about whom it has been said, “I don’t think it would be a stretch to say that we have the SEC’s best receiving corps.”

by toofull on Oct 8, 2010 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

OTL said...

And Gurley is a tight end, let’s be honest. Spurrier can split him out wide all he wants, South Carolina can list him as a wide receiver, but he’s a tight end, and he’s consistently used in ways that you would use a tight end, regardless of his alignment.

Gurley is not a tight end. I’m not even sure where that idea is coming from. He’s a big guy, blocks a lot, and catches a lot of middle-of-the-field throws, but he’s not the only WR to do that. Like I said, NFL scouts believe he’s a potential first-day pick when he comes out, as a WR. So don’t take it from me.

As the far as why we don’t throw more often, go back and look at the box score of the Georgia game. We ran Lattimore almost 40 times. Spurrier took what Georgia was giving us in that game. The same is true to some degree of the USM and Furman games. We’re trying to run the ball much more this year. When we went to the air more often against Auburn, though, we put up higher passing numbers.

I’ll also repeat myself and say that the stats analysis you guys are doing here is a little selective. Jeffery didn’t play throughout most of the first half of last season, and at that time Gurley was the go-to receiver. You guys are putting a lot of emphasis on stats as the ultimate proof of a player’s worth, and Gurley did produce respectable stats last year when called on to do so. Unfortunately, he didn’t play as much towards the end of the year because we had trouble getting him and Jeffery on the field at the same time because they played the same position.

You guys may be right that I’m overestimating our group by calling them possibly the best in the SEC. Fair enough. But OTL is wrong that it’s a “bad unit” and that we “have nothing past Jeffery.” You’re also wrong that Saban’s approach will be to double team or keep a spy on Jeffery and “make the other guy beats you.” The other guys will beat you if you do that.

Again, like someone else said, it’s probably all a moot point if Carolina can’t protect Garcia. That’s the real weakness in our passing game.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 8, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't think that OTS just made this up
Spurrier used receiver Tori Gurley in the tight end spot to start the past two games. Fullback Patrick DiMarco has worked there since summer camp and Spurrier said Wednesday that defensive lineman Melvin Ingram has also practiced at Saunders’ position.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13953537/south-carolina-dismisses-suspended-te-saunders

Perhaps Gurley is listed as a wide receiver and will go into the NFL as a wide receiver but it doesn’t change the fact that he is often used like a tight end, and even started in that position in the first two games.

You have an explanation for every criticism of the receiving corps. But the problem is that this receiving corps, outside of Jeffrey, has not produced on the field. Their best performance occurred in a game that SC lost. (Granted, Spurrier was an arrogant idiot for benching his starting qb for a freshman at the end of the game.) And in that game, Jeffrey caught 8, Gurley caught 4, and nobody else had more than 1. The other 3 games were, outside of Jeffrey, worse than that. So, perhaps you can appreciate why OTS said, “I’ll go with on-field performance, and that tells me this is a bad unit outside of Jeffery.”

Nonetheless, I appreciate your concession that you may be overestimating your receiving corps. And I do agree that the Cocks will be in serious trouble if you’re offensive line cannot consistently protect Garcia.

by toofull on Oct 8, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bad receivers drop passes when they're targeted.

Our receivers do not drop balls. If they were thrown to more often, they’d have bigger stats. It’s just a matter of spreading the ball around to a lot of receivers, backs, and tight ends. That’s why only Jeffery has big numbers. They also don’t pass as much as some teams ‘cause the offensive line doesn’t block well, and Garcia fumbles a lot. Garcia also has problems with the deep ball sometimes. He overthrows wide open guys. It has nothing to do with the receivers.

If you all want to look purely at stats, then fine. But, that’s a very bad way to evaluate talent. Unless you’ve seen the games, you shouldn’t comment on the topic with such a definitive and stubborn opinion, ’cause you have people who know better telling you the facts.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Oct 8, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is kind of what I've been trying to say the whole time...

I was never trying to slam OTL’s article. It was a great analysis of our offense, other than the part about the receivers. I just thought you ‘Bama fans might like to get some more accurate information from someone who follows the ’Cocks religiously. I wouldn’t mind being corrected by a Tide fan if I said something false about ’Bama, because I assume that ’Bama fans know their team better than I do. Should you be suspicious of my tendency to overpraise Carolina? Sure. But the same goes for you and every other fan in the country.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 8, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about this?

The SC receiving corps, outside of Jeffrey, is unproductive on the field. And you can say, “well that doesn’t make them bad” for all the reasons you give and we can say, “It’s not a stretch to say that, outside of Jeffrey, this is a bad receiving corps.”

by toofull on Oct 8, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's definitely a bit more fair...

But I’d still say productivity should be measured by more than receptions. Opposing defenses can’t focus too much on Jeffery because they know we’re not afraid to spread the ball around, and like silver82blade said, when we go to our other receivers, they make plays for us. We also owe a lot of our receiving yardage to the blocking abilities of our WRs, especially Gurley. That’s of course one of the benefits of having a bunch of huge receivers. Those are all aspects of productivity that don’t show up on the individual stats sheet but that lead to an effective offense.

How many Carolina games have you watched this year, by the way? I’m not trying to call you out here; I’m just saying that I think our WRs have been productive this year in ways that you may not be able to get a grasp on by looking at the stats sheets.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 8, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

a'ight

We’re a little closer.

I’ve seen a good bit of your games against Sou Miss., Georgia, and Auburn. But if you say your receivers are better than their stats indicate, I’ll keep a closer eye on them. And maybe by the end of the year the stats will give some indication of your enthusiastic appraisal.

by toofull on Oct 8, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think we probably have very comparable WR units

the more this discussion progresses. a lot of folks say Bama has no depth behind Julio. some people are smart enough to note that Maze and Hanks are playmakers int heir own right and would be considered potential number 1’s if Julio wasn’t here. when i think back, yeah i can recall seeing gurley make soem catches. i cant hoenslty remember any other recievers making a grab other than alshon (who, again is very impressive IMO) but that doesn’t mean the other guys aren’t capable either, just that Alshon gets the majority of the targets.

i honestly think your best bet is to run straight at us and force us to losen up int he secondary. then youre probably gonna have to get it to those other guys as i expect we’ll have extra resources allocated for Alshon.

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by tempebamafan on Oct 8, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I def. agree...

We’re a much more dangerous team when we can establish the run, and I would expect to see Spurrier try to get Lattimore started early. Spurrier, regardless of what folks say about him, wants to use the run to set up the pass, especially now that there are so many worries about our line’s ability to protect Garcia. I’m curious to see if we can run against you. We couldn’t at all last year, but that was without Lattimore and you had Cody. I still expect yards to be tough to come by, but I could see Lattimore having a good game if our line steps up. Our line is better in run blocking than pass blocking, by the way.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 8, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

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