Should Richardson have been starting over Ingram?
Last year when people would speak of Trent Richardson being better than Mark Ingram, I was one to scoff at those remarks. Sure, Richardson showed us that he has amazing physical tools, but Ingram clearly had the experience, talent, and he was simply playing better. He won the Heisman trophy for a reason. I did think that Richardson had the potential to eclipse Mark Ingram, given time.
Perhaps that time has come, judging by this year's stats.
Overall, Mark Ingram has averaged 5.2 YPC compared to Richardson's 6.9. Now, that includes the early games against weak competition, which may skew things. If we just look at the past 4 games (South Carolina through LSU) Mark Ingram has gained 4.7 YPC on 61 carries while Richardson is averaging 6.1 YPC on 35 carries.
Clearly Richardson has been the more productive back this year. I have to wonder if starting him might be/have been the better option given our tendency to come out slow in games offensively. For now, this is going to be a moot point because of the injury that Richardson sustained in the LSU game. Furthermore I understand that there are other factors at play here. The coaching staff will do a much better evaluation of the players than what you get simply by looking at stats. Stats can be deceptive. And Mark Ingram does seem a little less prone to fumbles than Richardson (not that either one has butterfingers), so that might play a significant role in the decisions.
Still, if Richardson can get healthy for the Auburn game, I wouldn't mind seeing him get the start. We simply cannot afford to get behind in that game. Mark Ingram is an amazing running back. He's one of my all time favorite players. He brought us our first heisman trophy, and was a major contributor to our first BCS championship. He is a great person by all accounts. But the simple fact is that Richardson seems to be producing better runs this year.
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I think so...
he has been more productive, and he is the superior pass blocker. Plus isn’t he faster than Ingram? I love Ingram though. Not exactly the worst problem in the world to have.
It was a woman who drove me to drink and I never got a chance to thank her.
It doesn't matter....
if our offensive line can’t open holes.
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
Nailed it.
"Shave your head, get a wet sponge, and flip the switch, 'cause you're about to get a Truthocution!" -Stephen Colbert
by Slice of Life on Nov 11, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
That may be exactly why it matters
I like Ingram better with a little bit a space (assuming his knee injury isn’t still slowing him), but if there’s no hole to run through then Richardson has the power to push the pile a little better.
Did you see the piles they were trying to push against LSU?
Nobody was pushing that crap.
"Shave your head, get a wet sponge, and flip the switch, 'cause you're about to get a Truthocution!" -Stephen Colbert
by Slice of Life on Nov 11, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Trent is better through the hole, but...
you need a hole first.
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
TWSS
"I have tried to teach them to show class, to have pride, and to display character. I think football, winning games, takes care of itself if you do that." -Paul W. Bryant
That was too easy.
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
TWSS
"I have tried to teach them to show class, to have pride, and to display character. I think football, winning games, takes care of itself if you do that." -Paul W. Bryant
..after telling him he was great.
/whilethinkinghewasusedandabuseandneverheardfromagain.
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
If you really want to take this argument a little further, the RB success rates would be interesting
I’ve always thought Richardson was the bigger threat to take it to the house from anywhere on the field, while Ingram was the more consistent back. Do the numbers bear that out this year? How much of the difference in YPC is due to the long TD run Richardson had against UT?
That's my gut feeling.
" I imagine it is safe to assume that the Newton family has retained the services of a lawyer."-OTS
I kind of thought they were co-starters anyway. Trent's beter off gaurd and Mark's better off tackle
If the coaches want to get the offensive production going they need to do a little self scouting, our pro set’ become very predictable. It’s not hard to film study Alabama from an opponents point of view. Past opponent success gives teams like MSU an easy gameplan.
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So what do we do? I think going two minute to open up the game would be a nice change of pace. Give teams a look they haven’t seen and DON’T EXPECT. Throw in some no huddle and get them off balance. Bama plays way to slow on offense to be explosive. Given time to line up correctly against the pro set defenses have a better shot to defend whatever we do. If thats how were going to play then I say Trent needs to start because he’s more smashmouth. That’s what we’ll have to do to get positive plays against 8-9 defenders in the box. Hell bring on Jalston Fowler he’s the biggest back we’ve got maybe he can get four yards on first down. It’s a mute point anyway cause Trent’s prolly out against MSU.
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Bama’s best offensive preformance last year came against Florida. If you go back and watch the game you’ll notice how Bama kept them off balance with quick snaps and misdirection. Two things I haven’t seen all year.
Hold my beer and watch this.
Well, there is something to that, but Ingram is starting and getting the bulk of the carries despite Richardson having better production.
"Those are just facts and facts are just opinions and opinions can be wrong"
-Veronica, Better Off Ted
No.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 11, 2010 2:11 PM CST reply actions
That's what she said !!
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
That's NEVER what she says.
I have powers. man. powers. bourbon
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 11, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
That's not what she said...
she was pasted out.
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
I think you can't go
wrong with either guy if they are healthy. However I have heard that the last several weeks TR was walking abound campus wearing a boot, so maybe he has been restricted on how many carries he can get based on a high ankle sprain etc.
I think if both are healthy they will both get about the same number of carries in a game. It doesn’t really matter that much who starts the game. Our problem running the ball is in the line not the backs.
As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.
and that they're both beat up to all hell
and have been all year. Couple that with an unimpressive offensive line, a defense with deficiencies, and a lot of new kids, and voila two losses.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 11, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Our offense needs to be creative...
After 4 games, it’s just more of the same. We are too predictable. The Maze to Williams wildcat pass is the kind of plays we need more. We need to mix it up, too vanilla.
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
Agreed
Without asking for the beat down by some of the posters on here…
I know that I don’t know as much as the coaches, however, I do know that even as strong as TR and MI are, it is damn near impossible to carry 8 defenders for more than a couple yards at the time. It does help to execute the play, but even the best NFL teams would have trouble blocking 8 people with 5 linemen. Just sayin…
"I have tried to teach them to show class, to have pride, and to display character. I think football, winning games, takes care of itself if you do that." -Paul W. Bryant
or a two QB system..
McCarron and Sims… Just sayin…
Even in the NC game. GMac was like a wounded soldier being carried thru a battle.
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
He was wounded...ribs.
And do we really think the problem is not enough trick plays? I mean is all we need some of the old razzle dazzle?
Coach Bryant said, “The same thing wins that always won, we just have a different bunch of excuses when we lose.”
What wins is blocking, tackling, and being in the right position to do both. Until we fix those we are just making up excuses.
As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.
What would help is a little misdirection coupled
with a scheme MSU hasn’t seen on film. I’m not saying a game full of it just a touch of something new. It could only help keep them of balance which would be the goal.
Hold my beer and watch this.
Amen...
on the misdirection.
ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
by nashvillebama on Nov 11, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Coach Bryant
Was also the one who implemented the wish bone. If there is another offense that provides more options for the team when they line up to run a play, please let me know. As much as Coach Bryant was known for smash mouth football, the man knew the value of a trick play now and then to keep people honest.
I don’t believe we need to ‘rely’ on trick plays to win games (turns us into Boise) but a little misdirection or some ‘options’ once they get lined up would be good to keep the other team from loading the box with 38 defenders and maybe provides just a little relief to allow TR and MI to find a hole to run through.
"I have tried to teach them to show class, to have pride, and to display character. I think football, winning games, takes care of itself if you do that." -Paul W. Bryant
When was our last turnover...
against a quality opponent?
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
I would assume he was talking about a lost fumble by TR or MI.
But still ridiculous fortune is the only reason it didn’t happen last Saturday.
"Shave your head, get a wet sponge, and flip the switch, 'cause you're about to get a Truthocution!" -Stephen Colbert
by Slice of Life on Nov 11, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
When...
I’m talking about our defense getting a turnover, not Milner dropping a pick or Trent fumbling and losing the first down.
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
Gotcha....
I’m having trouble remembering……I’m gona say against South Caroliona, it seems like we got a pick in that game. I could be wrong, I’ve tried to erase that one from my memory, so it’s a little foggy.
ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
by nashvillebama on Nov 11, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
I would say the Arky game..
There has been plenty of almost-ints.
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
Ok, coming back to me now.....
Will Lowery got a pick in the South Carolina game….
ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
by nashvillebama on Nov 11, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Quality opponent...
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
Define quality opponent.
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by nashvillebama on Nov 11, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Less than two losses
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
Well, that narrows it down
to LSU. Zero picks against quality opponents by your definition.
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by nashvillebama on Nov 11, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
and USC.
or fumbles. That was my initial point.
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
USC does not have less than two losses
So, our only “quality opponent” would be LSU
When we play them....
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
You taking Pete's place today?
ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
by nashvillebama on Nov 11, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
What's wrong with that?
And, like Pete, I kinda hate it when people say silly things, make up random definitions to support their point, and then change the definition when called on it.
Fair enough.
Carry on.
ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
by nashvillebama on Nov 11, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
All I was saying...
is that we are not getting turnover in tough games that could make a difference in the outcome.
Can you understand that?
Yeah, I understand that. So, why didn’t you just say that instead of saying silly things like SJSU is a quality opponent?
Now you're just being a jerk.
Pete impersonation complete! Well done!
ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
by nashvillebama on Nov 11, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
And he/she wasn’t being a jerk with the condescending
Can you understand that?
I’m pretty sure that skycaster is a big boy/girl that could fight his/her battles himself/herself.
And, I am a jerk; I cannot help it. I am not pretending to be Pete or any other jerk on here.
Time outs don't work.
See, I’m still commenting even though I’m on time out.
Y'all are...
…gonna hafta settle this at recess….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 11, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
They had only one...
when we played them, but that was the last defensive TO.
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
Ah, the Arkansas game....
when afterwards our defense was widely considered “dominant”. Remember those days?
ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
by nashvillebama on Nov 11, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
I'm watching the Bama v LSU game for the third time...
and from what I see, the only difference is on defense. Last year the defense saved our season and made it the great season it was. Pretty much what we all thought going into the 2010 season.
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
It seemed to me like they flipped the script on us this year, compared to last year.
ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
by nashvillebama on Nov 11, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Last year..
we would have never allowed 14 pts on the second half against USC and 21 pts against LSU. The 2009 defense kept us in the game.
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
I completely agree.
Even as bipolar as our offense has been this season (just like it was last year), I still believe we scored ample points to win the games we have lost…..with a defense the caliber of last years.
ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
by nashvillebama on Nov 11, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
What killed us, obviously, was the busted plays on defense.
These things will get ironed out with experience. We lost too damn many starters on defense off of last years team. I try to remember that our defense last year was pretty pitiful in 07.
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by nashvillebama on Nov 11, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Right, but with..
juniors leaving for the NFL, every two years is the rebuild cycle.
"Everybody will have more fun, guys, if we play with more intensity" Coach Saban... halftime speech of UT game, perhaps the turning point of the season..
No doubt.
I hate seeing them leave, but I guess I can’t blame them. This also begs the question: Is Mark Barron done after this season? My guess would be yes for him. I’m not so sure about Dareus and Hightower though.
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by nashvillebama on Nov 11, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions

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