My Theory
by Bamagrad on Nov 11, 2010 6:28 PM CST
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Does anyone else thinkit’s odd that we didn’t offer/strongly pursue many of Auburn’s best recruits last year and now a scandal like this is surfacing? Coincidence?
You know Saban won’t be played by recruits and he won’t deal with the cash requests and third party crap, so IMO that’s a big red flag on their stellar 2010 class, since he didn’t go after some of those guys.
At the time I wondered why we didn’t go after some of them and it’s possible that they were soliciting for extra benefits and Auburn was paying.
Their entire 2010 class stank of illegality.
Maybe I'm too loyal to Bama and see us as the superior program, but I'm convinced of the following:
1. Auburn could/can be the better program only while we were on probation or coached by a buffoon.
2. Once off probation, we hired Saban, he started kicking Auburn's ass in recruiting, we went undefeated in 2008 and ended their streak and they panicked. They knew Tuberville couldn't do it, so they fired him and brought in a man who'd be a puppet for the suits. In 2009, we signed another great class, and we won the championship. They continued to panic.
3. Simply stated, they realized they couldn't/can't compete with Saban/Bama on an even playing field so they pulled out all the stops. They bought Newton and other players in a desperate attempt to compete. Somewhere in Auburn, Lowder and Chizik and the rest of their brass sat around a table in a dark room with the shades drawn and they said, "All or nothing. We have to beat Bama and we'll pay any price to do so."
This is the result. Envy. Inferiority complex. Some of them might laugh at this, but I'm a betting man and I would bet that the aforementioned, or a similar variation of it, happened. It happened. Auburn knew they couldn't hang with us when Saban became our coach.
Could be ludicrous and just another Bammer Homer's theory, but I believe it.
What do you think?
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I'd follow you into the bowels of hell, smiling all the way
"I guess I must stutter. Did I stutter? I'm not very clear on how I articulate. Maybe I need to go back to West Virginia and get some more hillbilly slang and maybe everybody can understand me a little better." - Nick Saban, because reporters haven't learned.
I appreciate that
I’m often told I’m wacky and a whole bunch of other things, but I think I’m right on this.
Auburn wants to beat Bama at any cost. That is goal number one for them. They put their damn BYE week right before us for crying out loud. Yeah, they don’t want to play Georgia and Bama back to back, yadda yadda yadda, but they intentionally took their BYE eleven weeks into the season once Saban had established himself.
We signed back to back number one/top recruiting classes and the first thing Chizik says is, “We are going to sign the number one class next year.”
Auburn is desperate to beat us. They really are our jealous little brother.
"Open your mouth again and I'll nail it shut." Henriques, COMMANDO (1985).
see...im the youngest of three...and
all my siblings are jealous of me…
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Except for the fact that this is college amateurs....
it’s no difference than what the Yankees did and now Miami, basically buying a championship.
diffrence is, if the barn paid players
Then all their wins will be stripped by the NCAA.
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by TheGTOJudge on Nov 11, 2010 6:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Their not smart enough to hash out a scheeme like that.
At least one were they would not get caught.
Crimson Crunk.Represent,YEAHHH!
Historically, Auburn has tried to answer our best runs
Look at the years they were busted by the NCAA. It’s not a coincidence that this is happening now.
"Open your mouth again and I'll nail it shut." Henriques, COMMANDO (1985).
I'm too lazy to look it up myself
but I’d rec the crap out of the first person to put together a fanpost showing a correlation there.
The Process of Champions
Were they ever in trouble in the Shug Jordan era...?
After him came Doug Barfield, then Pat Dye. First whiff of trouble after that, IIRC, was mid-late ‘80s, Fullwood? Jeff Berger? and then the probation came in ’92-’93.
Then the Bowden era. That’s good for a chapter or 3, all on its own (can’t find a link to the original Paul Davis article now).
i think you are right but im not so sure Chizik was involved...
or any of the other coaches for that fact. If Auburn did pay Cam, Jacobs and Lowder pulled the strings. They kept Chizik out of the loop so he could get on national TV and do his “We’re all in speech” and do it with some sort of pride and honesty.
Now that the shit has hit the fan and Chizik has seen what the hell is going on, his tone has changed…
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I would bet my life that trooper taylor is involved 100%
"When the devil be blessing....God be messing!"
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
I am with you BG but something doesnt make sensce.
I do believe something fishy is going on in cow town. I always wondered how a 5-19 and the mediocre season last year coach could recruit as well as Coach Saban. I realize the barn is a step up from where ever Cheez nip came from. Fact of the matter is, Alabama, under Saban, is a football factory. Also, if you want a NC you come to Bama. Why would you go to the barn other than allegance to the school or playing time.
Further, I am glad you mentioned Coach Saban’s X factor, being able to smell a bad recruit before sighning.
Cheezit, can’t be this good a coach this quickly nor have that kind of recruiting power at his level. Yes, I believe something is rotten in the plains.
Side note, I don’t think your theories are crazy.
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by TheGTOJudge on Nov 11, 2010 6:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Damn forgot my point
Why would the barn cheat? Sure they beat Bama maybe go to the NC but if they did it illegally the wins will be stripped and sanctions handed down. Plus, the damage to AU’s reputation would be huge. Why do it. Pride, stupidity, or both.
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by TheGTOJudge on Nov 11, 2010 6:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thinkg that they wouldn't get caught.
That’s why most people commit crimes/violate NCAA bylaws.
well everything is legal until your caught.
Can the Barn be this stupid? In this age of info and the amount of people involved you are almost positive to get caught. I just don’t get how they thought they would get away with it.
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by TheGTOJudge on Nov 11, 2010 8:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
^this
"When the devil be blessing....God be messing!"
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2010 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
All you have to do is look at their 2011 class to see why the 2010 boys seem shady
they are barely in the top 25 and thats generous. You’d think right now with all their success they’d be pulling in top recruits but all is quiet on the East Alabama front.
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I don’t think it’s the limo as much as the stack of cash in the limo
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by Slice of Life on Nov 11, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
I can't find it...
….but I know I said this somewhere on this blog (think it was in the comments but could have been during a radio hour): When Chizik was hired and introduced and Pat Dye was there front and center, and all the talk was “Dye is back home and he’s going to be taking a bigger role in the football program”, I said that Chizik was hired because he’s a yes man that would mind his own business and not ask any questions about what Dye/Jacobs/Lowder/etc were doing, and that Auburn would be investigated for paying players within five years.
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by Todd on Nov 11, 2010 8:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
exaclty. I don’t think Chizik is directly involved in the dirty shit. I believe it’s boosters and Pat Dye, and they may have a couple of coaches (Trooper) in the loop.
"Those are just facts and facts are just opinions and opinions can be wrong"
-Veronica, Better Off Ted
Saw that, too, Todd.
Comments somewhere online to the effect that Chizik was picked in large part because he’d be a company man and not rock the boat; and that Dye’s re-emergence should set off alarm bells for NCAA trouble-to-come, or at the very least, even more meddling from Bobby Lowder.
I haven't said this before
Because I’m sure it will sound more “you’re just a stupid bammer homer” than an observation and curious question. But, you mentioned Dye above in the following quote:
"Dye is back home and he’s going to be taking a bigger role in the football program"
I tend to listen to Paul F-baum in the afternoons and on the way home (I know, I know). It can be entertaining and frustrating, but I digress…
Anyway, F-baum has Gene Stallings and Pat Dye on one afternoon per week (Monday maybe?) and most of the time Dye sounds like he’s brain-into-mush-falling-off-the-barstool drunk and unable to put together two words that sound coherent, let alone a whole sentence. But I noticed the last few times he’s been on, he has been more clear and concise in his comments in defense of the program and Cam and it’s all sunshine and leprechauns. Almost like that Star Wars/Star Trek (whatever) trance thing they do where they say “Nothing to see here, move along”. Just a curious observation on my part, but if he’s involved that makes sense that he’s playing the ‘good public steward’ thing.
Then again, maybe I just need to put my tinfoil hat and shoes back on….
"I have tried to teach them to show class, to have pride, and to display character. I think football, winning games, takes care of itself if you do that." -Paul W. Bryant
In my opinion...
… the Pat Dye you hear on Finebaum is an act. He is still very active in the decision making at Auburn and likely had a hand in this current fiasco. Maybe I need to make one of those tinfoil hats as well, but he’s been pulling the strings for a while. He and Lowder.
by PluckandGrit on Nov 12, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
agreed on both points
I think it’s an act too, that’s why I picked up on the change of act over the last couple of weeks.
"I have tried to teach them to show class, to have pride, and to display character. I think football, winning games, takes care of itself if you do that." -Paul W. Bryant
Totally agree.
I do think Chizik was brought in because he is a puppet. I think the AU show is run behind the scene by the likes of Dye, Jacobs, and Louder.
I mean lets be honest AU is 10-0 and what is their game plan…center the ball to Cam and everybody go out. I mean they hit the jack pot with Cam a guy that really could be a one man team. There is no process going on at Auburn, no long term plan. Just an all in on one shot type mentality.
I think they have succeed beyond their wildest dreams. And, when we tripped up a bit they could not believe that they found themsleves in the driver’s seat for the NC. And, now it is within their grasp, and even though the evidence continues to mount that their star is ineligible, there is no way they are going to back down. No, they are going to go all in and hope the NCAA somehow cannot connect the dots or a the very least the investigation process is too slow to knock them out of the SECCG and the NCG.
And, even if they know they are likely going to give it all back they just want to hold the crystal ball for one minute and tell Bama—-we beat you.
Yes, you are right. And these guys are totally dillusional and are going to drag down their university on top of themselves grasping a crystal football saying “We Won, We Beat Bama.”
As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.
That last paragraph made me think of the end of Return of the King when Gollum gets the ring and falls into the fires of Mt. Doom. THE PRECIOUS IS MINE!
by krnxprs on Nov 11, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bobby Lowder
Where would Lowder get his money from? He’s got to be ass-deep in legal fees after running a regional bank into the ground.
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by Black ice in Alabama on Nov 11, 2010 11:11 PM CST reply actions
Male prostitutes.
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by SpockJenkins on Nov 12, 2010 2:31 AM CST up reply actions
Could be right about..
… Lowder, but what about the “Yeller Feller” or whatever he calls him self?
by PluckandGrit on Nov 12, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
damn...
… whatever he calls him self?
Whatever he calls himself
by PluckandGrit on Nov 12, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Jimmy Rains
he’s pretty much replaced Lowder at this point from things I’ve heard
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by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 12, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
It's Jimmy Rane
and he’s about as bad as they come. Just a typical good ol’ boy who likes to throw his (ample) weight around. I remember early in Tuberville’s tenure when Tubs banned him from the sideline at games. The buffoon thought he was some kind of assistant coach. That’s the only reason he’s a Barn trustee—because it allows him to get closer to the football program.
As much fun as it was to make fun of Ears Tuberville during his time on the plains, he did have the right idea by keeping Rane and Dye away from his football team. When Tubs left, some pundits said the Chizik hire had Dye’s fingerprints all over it. With him no longer persona non grata around the stables Barn football offices, is anybody surprised that there are now allegations of impropriety?
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
-Adam Savage
The story I always heard (from boog friends)
Was that a drunk Rane got pissed at the 36-0 stomping we gave them an called Nutt to offer him the barn job. Nutt then called his agent, who happened to also be Tubb’s agent, and they used the offer as leverage to negotiate an extension for Nutt at Ole Miss while simultaneously using the offer as violation of Tubb’s contract provision from Jetgate to guarantee his buyout.
"Fortune, as they call her, is a drunken and capricious woman and, worse still, blind; and so she doesn’t see what she’s doing, and doesn’t know whom she is casting down or raising up." - Gary Crowton to Les Miles
by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 12, 2010 4:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Seems like
I heard something similar. Makes sense…Rane is an idiot. It also explains why Tubs was able to walk away with his buyout.
Do you ever get the feeling that Big Enos and Little Enos Burdett are running things down there?
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
-Adam Savage
Hadn't thought about all this lately
But I do wonder how a choice of HC like Chiz, comes into a shitty program and suddenly starts recruiting so well. The other side for us is that Saban has been so vocal about agents, just that alone would let you know not to fuck with him. Thank you God.
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by TideFanAtlanta on Nov 11, 2010 11:23 PM CST reply actions
Personally...
…I don’t think Chizik is involved with this. Like someone said above, he’s a puppet. They hired him because they knew he wouldn’t get in the way and whoever calls the shots (Dye, Lowder, whatever) could do as they please. That wasn’t the case with Tuberville or Bowden. I think Malzahn, Trooper, Luper, Dye and a booster had something with this and Chiznik (who, IMO, is innocent) will take the fall.
I'm betting that their paranoid ass fans
start supporting the idea of paying players as incentive to avoid agents just like they advocate a playoff because they scheduled the damn Citadel in 04 and got shut out of the title game.
"Fortune, as they call her, is a drunken and capricious woman and, worse still, blind; and so she doesn’t see what she’s doing, and doesn’t know whom she is casting down or raising up." - Gary Crowton to Les Miles
by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 12, 2010 11:44 AM CST reply actions
I ask
this question before all this pay for play broke, did Bama recruit Newton? There had to be a reason Saban didnt go after him….maybe he knew something.
He would not have played with GMac
playing this year and then the young guns next year. I mean I don’t know if Saban knew anything, but he was just not on our radar.
But, if he had tried this on Bama he would have never seen the field anywhere as we would have turned him in and then stayed on the NCAA pushing the case compared to MSU letting it go for a while.
As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.
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