Initial Impressions from the Mississippi State Game

A few thoughts from the early aftermath of Alabama's 30-10 victory over Mississippi State:
- From the outset I suppose it should be noted that yesterday was a bit of a bittersweet day because the Auburn victory over Georgia ended any chances of Alabama returning to Atlanta for the third year in a row, but having said that we can do nothing else but beat those teams that are ahead of us, and to that end securing a relatively easy victory over Mississippi State should not be overlooked. After playing poorly last weekend in Baton Rouge, I think quite a few people -- myself included -- were worried that this game could easily result in a loss, so to be coming off of that setback, to respond relatively well and secure a victory over a top twenty team while never being put in any legitimate fear of a defeat is no minor accomplishment. The overall performance was far from perfect, but no one can reasonably complain about the final result.
- In the end, the 2010 Alabama v. Mississippi State game seemingly picked up right where the 2009 game left off. One year ago in Starkville, MSU played hard and played a relatively even game with us only to ultimately see that contest turn into a landslide thanks to a handful of key lapses that resulted in big plays for the Crimson Tide. The same basic story repeated itself last night, as the Bullies allowed two short throws to turn into long touchdown passes while also allowing a jet sweep to Julio Jones -- a play that we've tried four times earlier in the year with no real success -- to turn into a 56-yard touchdown run. Give Dan Mullen and company credit for showing up prepared to play, but for the second year in a row a handful of key lapses cost them an otherwise solid performance.
- Twenty-two minutes into this game Alabama was clinging to a narrow 6-3 lead in a closely played contest, and the total yardage numbers were almost precisely even. Consider that temporary status to be the result of very poor play by the 'Bama lines on both sides of the football. Our offensive line was simply dominated in the trenches for much of the one-third of the game, and the defensive line fared little better. The line play improved in the second half as we seemingly wore down the Bullies over the course of four quarters, but the point remains that the early returns were very discouraging. Perhaps no other factor explains the drop-off from the 2009 Tide to the current version than the poor play at the point of attack on both sides of the football. I don't care what happens at the skill positions, no football team will ever play at a consistently high level when getting dominated in the trenches like we were for much of the first half last night.
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Did you know Julio had a broken arm with a lot of screws in it? Or our new offense coordinator Jim McElroy?
The broken arm comment
had me in stitches. As he finishes off a 50+ yd sweep, the announcers are practically screaming “AND HE DID IT WITH A BROKEN ARM”. Amateur hour. Made me happy to think about their salaries.
"Shave your head, get a wet sponge, and flip the switch, 'cause you're about to get a Truthocution!" -Stephen Colbert
by Slice of Life on Nov 15, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Glad you mentioned the broadcasters
holy crap was that embarrasing, although i was laughing my ass off when they were wrestling and nearly touching faces in the booth. They almost made verne and gary look professional. I think the reason you never see much improvement in the booths is they have zero effect on the ratings, it’s not like you would ever say, oh man alabama is on but bob davie is the color guy so im not gonna watch. They see the ratings come in they look good and the suits say great, our guys must be doing a good job.
on another note, i thought it was telling, that the one possession, (although game was way out of hand) where they just decided to drop back and pass it, they had tons of success and got a td, if you drop back and pass this year against us, you will win, period.
Yep, to the TD MSU made. It appeared to me that Menzie and Lester (I believe) were
trying for an interseption but Menz had a chance to have a knock away – that iis what he should have tried to do.
Bama's Pluck and Grit have Writ Her Name in Crimson Flame
by TideFanAtlanta on Nov 14, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Broadcasters were a joke.
However, I was more upset with Verne and Gary D. basically calling Cam (1) a saint and (2) the shoe in Heisman winner all the while saying that ANYONE who doesn’t vote for him just because his dad tried to sell him for money is evil.
So, although our announcers were a joke, they were better than CBS. At least Bob Davie insinuated that Cecil may be guilty. Look for Davie to be strangley absent the rest of this football season. Not to get all politcal but I find the on air media’s treatment of Cam very similar to the mainstream news media’s treatment of Obama.
If Cam and Auburn don't go down for this there is no justice and the NCAA needs to apologize to Reggie Bush.
Wow, you have been watching some different mainstream media than I have
"You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But there's nothing funny about vapor lock! It's the third most common cause of cars stalling. So please, take care of your car and get it checked!" -Joe Namath
by billycthulhu on Nov 14, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yep. But enough politics.
Cam = Tebow, almost, right now for the media love. They, like Julia Roberts’ whore character in Pretty Woman, want the fairytale.
Now, should the fairytale end, the love affair’s all over. Forgotten. Never happened. Saw a great writeup from TN on how Peyton Manning’s shoulda-been Heisman year fell victim to the fickle media affections. Cam may actually come out being the victimized good-guy, and the blame all gets heaped on Cecil… Crazy world.
Julio's broken arm has me all upset
and yet somehow I missed that Barrett Jones was on the sideline on crutches. CRAP!
OTS, not overlooking our weaknesses and mistakes, I felt this game was more “complete”. By that, I mean we did not take our foot off the gas like it appears we do sometimes, especially when we have a lead. Do you concur?
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by TideFanAtlanta on Nov 14, 2010 12:28 PM CST reply actions
somehow I missed that Barrett Jones was on the sideline on crutches
And Davey and Jones never reported it. If it hadn’t been for Twitter, I would never had known it.
Losing doesn't make me want to quit. It makes me want to fight that much harder. – Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant
by BamaGirlinDallas on Nov 14, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
My reaction to McCarron's redzone sequence is thus:
For everyone clamoring for a rFr QB to get meaningful snaps, you got it. No amount of arm strength or precision can hide lack of experience and seasoning. The perfect drop to Julio over the bracketed zone was physically perfect. The foibles inside the 10 were perfect freshmen.
So: Let’s stop with the McElory sucks shit. It’s not age-ism, or loyalty that keeps him on the field; it’s experience and (usually) playing smart, coupled with enough arm to get the job done in our offense.
I do expect to see a more open offense next year though. McCarron has a beautiful deep throw that just drops out of the sky.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 14, 2010 12:30 PM CST reply actions
OMG, I have been saying that all year. Folks, watch what you wish for!
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by TideFanAtlanta on Nov 14, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
although with 2nd and a foot on the goal line
and we get cute and call a play action and the O-line resembles a saloon door and throws some look out blocks and he gets sacked. Give it to Ingram one more time and he punches it in and we would all be singing a different tune this morning about AJ. The only criticism I have for AJ on that series was not throwing the ball away on 3rd down. His arm strength was something I haven’t seen all year from a Bama qb not named AJ. Everyone is talking about AJ but Simms has a rocket for an arm as well. Not so sure AJ will even win the job in the spring.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Nov 14, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
He's the one who apparently called for the PA
when a run was on.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 14, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
so he checked out to the PA. Didn't know that.
Just watched it again on espnu and it looks like Ingram didn’t pick up the blitz on that play either and he came in clean. On the next play someone blitzed up the middle to cause the problems on the next play. I believe in the staff and if they thought he was the best option we would see him in there. He is exciting though and I hope he can harness it and become a great qb.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Nov 14, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
That may have been a message to AJ...
…don’t audible you fool, you can do that next year if you get the starting job. I think AJ was trying to show off and it got him bit. Saban was giving him an earful on the sidelines after that.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
He lit him up good
"You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But there's nothing funny about vapor lock! It's the third most common cause of cars stalling. So please, take care of your car and get it checked!" -Joe Namath
by billycthulhu on Nov 14, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
I saw a spanking.
AJ didn’t cry.
#looksforwardtoTheNewNamathvsTheNewBryantstories
" I imagine it is safe to assume that the Newton family has retained the services of a lawyer."-OTS
Saban gave him an earful
because I think this audible is very much the way AJ operates..sort of wreckless and maybe even arrogant.
Now you have to have confidence to be qb. But the guy still lacks discipline and if he doesn’t improve the #2 qb in the nation form last years signing class may just well beat him out.
If Cam and Auburn don't go down for this there is no justice and the NCAA needs to apologize to Reggie Bush.
Well said, 5026.
He has that “gunslinger mentality” which has to be reigned in to an extent before these type qb’s really shine. And I think AJ has the right kind of coach to keep his feet on the ground…
by cowcollegekiller on Nov 14, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
Also, good to see Watkins earn some PT
He’s been a ST beast.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 14, 2010 12:32 PM CST reply actions
Watkins is also the player who had a hit in the back that brought back the Maze
kick return for a TD. He made up for it after that…..
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by TideFanAtlanta on Nov 14, 2010 12:33 PM CST reply actions
when you rewatch the block in the back
you see that the msu player threw himself into watkins and they both kinda fell over, i don’t blame the ref for calling it but i don’t really think there was much watkins could do.
Auburn has not exactly been road warriors this year
In fact, I can’t believe they have played so infrequently away from JHS. That said ,their big road kill this year was Miss State. Granted that was a different AU team and they are clicking offensively at the moment, they have not played well on the road. Kentucky had them on the ropes as well. A fumbled kick off with the score tied that AU recovered or Kentucky would have had the ball with a chance to take the lead deep in AU territory. AU was lucky they did not turn that over in that situation. This is only their 4th road game of the year and their first against a top 10 team. We have a very good chance to win this game and quite honestly I will be disappointed if the Tide doesn’t win. I don’t think our backs are against the wall as much as you say. Granted I agree that we will have to play great football to win, but it will not be a monumental upset. In fact, I will say that the game will basically be a pick em with Vegas.
Roll Tide!
If I wasn't an Alabama fan I'd take Auburn as a pick em for sure.
The problems are: 1. They are really getting better every game. If we had played them in week 1 I think we win easily. 2. Our D doesn’t match up against them very good. At linebacker you usually go for either big or fast. If you get lucky you have both- Ro. I think we are not really big enough to tackle a 260 lbs qb and not really fast enough to run him down. Meanwhile, except last night, we have not put that much pressure on the qb and Cam given some time will hit a lot of open receivers with that cannon he has. Furthermore, our D-backs are known to miss assignments. Just being objective I don’t think we can hold them under 40 unless we get turnovers and maybe try an onside kick or two of our own. 3. Our O-line is going to let that thug Fairley literally kill GMac if we are not careful. Of course that will get AJ in game for all those who want him, but I would keep Morgan Ogilvie warmed up on the sidelines as he may have to finish this one up (by the way we need to play him against GSU.) Granted we do have some explosive players on offense and although I don’t think we can run it consistently on Auburn we might be able to score on some big plays. But…I can’t see us scoring more than 32-33 pts. I mean this isn’t Duke our even UT.
So, to be honest I think we are definitely the dog in this one. We will need a lot of breaks, and we will need to play pretty near perfect. Oh yeah, it wouldn’t hurt if Cam got a consciene and fessed up but the odds of that astronomical.
At least the crowd should be into it unless it gets ugly.
If Cam and Auburn don't go down for this there is no justice and the NCAA needs to apologize to Reggie Bush.
What I want to see crowd-wise come Iron Bowl...
Is continual noise. Auburn is going to run their hurry-up against us in an effort to keep the crowd out of it. We just have to keep staying loud on them.
Seems like the past couple of home games, the crowd has been a bit dead. At the same time, the games have been a bit boring as well.
Roll Tide Roll
Look at that dude going all Dareus on that colt.
Yes, that would be awesome....
Maybe we need Saban to say “Sh*t” again on his radio show….
Fumbles. It was always Fumbles
He needs to say all 7 of Carlin's words...
" I imagine it is safe to assume that the Newton family has retained the services of a lawyer."-OTS
The volume will be there
This is now our championship game. BDS will be rocking. And rest assured Cam will not be getting that warm fuzzy feeling has been getting from playing 8 home games this year.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Nov 14, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I think the hurry-up...
against their D is something we might see. We saw it some last night and I think it could help us catch them when they’re not set, especially given our O-line deficiencies.
Once again, OTS nails it.
The Tide are showing flashes of the type of team they are capable of being but those flashes are dampened by brain farts and simple mistakes that should have been polished off by now.
Can someone explain why we would not go to Atlanta if we beat the barn? Our only loss in the west was to LSU and if we beat AU aren’t we in a tie with the tie-breaker?
" I imagine it is safe to assume that the Newton family has retained the services of a lawyer."-OTS
No the league record is what counts
We have 2 losses in the SEC. Record against the West is the first tie breaker but all league games count.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Nov 14, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks.
" I imagine it is safe to assume that the Newton family has retained the services of a lawyer."-OTS
About Barrett Jones...
FWIW, I noticed him jogging at a decent pace back over to the sideline, by himself, when he came out of the locker room at some point in the 2nd quarter I believe. Unless he went back into the game and got hurt after that, then I wouldn’t read into those crutches he was on too heavily. Chances are that someone decided he just shouldn’t put any weight on it.
formerly 'ud2'
Hurry Up Offense
TinTn, I don’t have any statistical evidence to back me up but it certainly seems like McElroy is far more productive when we go hurry-up. Given that Auburn is going to make us throw the ball anyway I would like to see us come slinging it. RTR.
It does seem that way, doesn't it?
If that’s indeed the case then hopefully we can put it to good use. It’s been said many times, but remains true, that the best way to stop a good offense is to keep them off the field.
ESPN 2 as a whole was off last night
The chick doing the studio updates referred to marcus lattimore as “lattismore”, our offense coordinator is apparently GMACs dad “jim mcelroy”, and a potential first round draft pick in marcel dareus was “marcus dareus”.
I still think, all things considered, it was better produced than CBS. Verne and Gary are becoming broken records, and nothing really changes with them. ESPN had some pretty cool analysis, some nice informative bits, and generally were fairly nice to listen to most of last night.
also
jim or greg McIntyre…not sure who they were referring do….
I think they
were actually talking about GMac. I heard them say that too.
Losing doesn't make me want to quit. It makes me want to fight that much harder. – Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant
by BamaGirlinDallas on Nov 14, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
They were calling
Damion Square Damon. One of the guys said Damon and the other one could actually read because he was saying Damion.
You would have thought the guy saying it wrong would have picked up his mistake, but of course he didn’t.
Losing doesn't make me want to quit. It makes me want to fight that much harder. – Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant
by BamaGirlinDallas on Nov 14, 2010 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
It was pretty terrible...
in the name accuracy dept. However, I’d rather hear their gaffes than hear Verne and Gary get 1 name right – over and over and over ad nauseum.
I think my name here is proof enough
that Verne can get the same name wrong over and over and over again, too.
formerly 'ud2'
by Orlando McCain on Nov 14, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm pretty sure that during the barn game
they even made reference to that. pretty sure it was gary danielson who mistakenly called ontario mccaleb “rolando mcclain”. verne pointed out the discrapancy and then said, “but its not like i never messed his name up before either” and they both laughed. and so did i…
In an industrial society which confuses work and productivity, the necessity of producing has always been an enemy of the desire to create. - Raoul Vaneigem
take this job and shove it - Johnny Paycheck
by tempebamafan on Nov 14, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
I noticed that too,
and it made me think of last year all those times gary was on finebaum and all they would talk about was gary messing up our players names game in and game out.
by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 14, 2010 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
I think Danielson
called him Orlando McCaleb.
Losing doesn't make me want to quit. It makes me want to fight that much harder. – Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant
by BamaGirlinDallas on Nov 14, 2010 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
Shout out to my boy Square. He finally put some finsh on his pressure in this game.
I’m hoping he can do the same to Cam. Lord knows we will need it.
Roll Tide.
I'm impressed with Moseley... True freshman right? He's going to be a superstar.
"I'd rather attempt to do something great and fail than to attempt nothing and succeed."
*Mosley (don't want to pull a verne)
"I'd rather attempt to do something great and fail than to attempt nothing and succeed."
Agreed.
He’s really heady on the field and seems like he’s always in the right place. If can add 10 to 15 pounds and keep his speed I think we might be looking at Rolando II.
by Bama philosophe on Nov 14, 2010 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
It's the line that bothers me.
Which line you ask? Both.
If Cam and Auburn don't go down for this there is no justice and the NCAA needs to apologize to Reggie Bush.
^ This ^.
We’ll need 40+ minutes of possession and I’d say 42 points. 4 yards, cloud o’ dust, long drive, just move the sticks, TD.
That should mean AU gets 6-7 possessions and we only need about 1 stop to win 42-41 when we stop their 2-point conversion try.
Seriously, we need a couple pick sixes in this game, ‘cause we’re not gonna make them punt too many times. They’ll be going for just about every 4th down early, in addition to the usual onsides kick, their new Statute of Limitations™ play, and at some point I’m sure they’ll run Cam on a deep route again.
Yeeah, "Statute of Limitations Play", excellent
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by TideFanAtlanta on Nov 14, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Seems we inched closer to a "complete" game
I’ll say this..when focused, we are good. I hope they can hang on to that focus through the IB. And Fairley is a total D-bag…much like his QBs dad.
"...because you've got your mind right, and that's the way we like it." Nick Saban
I hope Nacho knocks Fairley the eff out...
in a clean-hit kind of way, though.
by cowcollegekiller on Nov 14, 2010 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to see...
TR step up and flip him when he comes in after McElroy. Show him that good players can whip somebody’s ass without using cheap shots.
Damn right
Face-plant his big ass then clear the freaking benches when he gets up ackin’ a fool lol.
by cowcollegekiller on Nov 15, 2010 1:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who said anything about him getting up?
by TiderInTN on Nov 15, 2010 8:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 for ESP, my friend!
"...because you've got your mind right, and that's the way we like it." Nick Saban
That was not the same team.
As the season has worn on Cam has become very accurate as a passer. Personally I would not be surprised if he was on the juice. He looks like Roger Clements throwing a fast ball.
If Cam and Auburn don't go down for this there is no justice and the NCAA needs to apologize to Reggie Bush.
Steroids are expensive
Where would he get that kind of…
by Bubdylan on Nov 14, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Happy as well...
with the performance. I thought the team responded well after the LSU loss and stayed focused on the task at hand. That shows some improvement in itself. I hope we continue to see improvement. I was most disappointed with not being to run the ball well. I had noted last week that we must run more to the ouside because teams are run blitzing and trying to clog the middle. I hope we will do more with jet sweeps. Also credit the coaches on getting Ingram the ball on the outside pass and he just made a play. I also think Maze was the player of the game and his run turned the momentum in our favor. On a non-related subject, Fairley is a thug, even vern and danielson pointed it. I knew he was doing that to quarterbacks.
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