Jeremy Hill De-Commits From LSU
by outsidethesidelines on Dec 7, 2010 10:25 AM CST
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PrintAs DocFumbles mentioned in his fanshot, here is some fairly interesting recruiting news. Per the Twitter of Shane Youngblood:
This one could be pretty big news for 'Bama. To be sure, Hill had been committed to LSU for a very long time -- he originally committed to LSU in September of 2009 -- and he is making it pretty clear that by no means are the Bayou Bengals eliminated from consideration. A lot of people still think he ends up staying in his hometown of Baton Rouge, but he is pretty high on the Tide after his visit to Tuscaloosa last weekend, and in honesty we have never really stopped recruiting him despite his LSU commitment.
We'll see how this plays out in the coming weeks, but this latest news puts us firmly in the mix for three tailbacks as we enter the stretch run. The odds seem good that we will get at least one to sign on the dotted line, perhaps even two.
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So, if you have a shot at the nations #2, #8 & #10 RB's
who do you take? Crowell is the strongest, Hart is the fastest and Hill is the best blocker and pass catcher. If you take one do the others chose to go elswhere? This is starting to become a tricky situation. As of Wednesday last week Bama had their sights set on1 RB, Crowell. Now in just a few short days we have the potential to get three?
Hold my beer and watch this.
Crowell is holding out and we aren't waiting around. If we get Hill and Hart.....then he would
be better off elsewhere. It would be interesting to know all the details.
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by TideFanAtlanta on Dec 7, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
If we can lock down Hill and Hart we need to do it. Both of these guys bring lots of talent to the position. Both guys have dissimilar styles that increase the options at RB.
Hold my beer and watch this.
Ditto
We’re shopping because Crowell is forcing us to do so. We’re pursuing other options because Crowell is iffy and waiting until NSD. I think we take Dee regardless and Hill/Crowell are either/or.
Yes GMAC, I am your father!
Sounds like we're looking good on Hart, and have a legitimate shot at Hill.
Crowell seems unlikely.
"You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But there's nothing funny about vapor lock! It's the third most common cause of cars stalling. So please, take care of your car and get it checked!" -Joe Namath
Scout.com says Bama
hasn’t offered Hill a scholly. So it would appear we’re still holding out for Crowell, but that could change.
Hold my beer and watch this.
Would he really come on a visit if he wasn't already offered?
He’s a top 10 RB. Not arguing with you. Just wouldn’t always pay attention to the Scout website as I don’t think it is always up to date on prospect’s bio’s.
Kind of related to this post...
When do you announce that you’re going to enter the draft? I think this plays a huge part in Crowell’s decision.
Yes GMAC, I am your father!
Makes sense then.
I remember reading something on Crowell that playing early was a big factor in his decision. Ingram stays and he doesn’t see meaningful playing time.
Yes GMAC, I am your father!
Alabama/Georgia backfield
Ingram is definitely gone, leaving Richardson (for one year probably) as the primary running back with Lacy as the secondary back. After next year the competition is pretty wide open at Alabama as no one has really separated themselves yet, though Lacy has looked good in limited action.
At Georgia Washaun Ealey and Caleb King will again see the majority of the carries next year, and Ealey is likely to play two more years.
The situations at the respective schools are not that different, as both could use a big name running back this year. I think wherever Crowell goes he will see immediate playing time in some role his freshman year. He is the best of the bunch and would be a big get.
And despite our current level of talent at RB
I think it helps that prospects can see how often we are willing to use the #2 and even the #3 running backs.
"You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But there's nothing funny about vapor lock! It's the third most common cause of cars stalling. So please, take care of your car and get it checked!" -Joe Namath
Last year we went to #3,
but that wasn’t really the case. Seemed like this year we rarely used a third back except in mop-up. I guess Lacy’s ball security issues may have had something to do with that.
If I'm wearing a turban, it means Auburn is playing Iraq.
True enough
I think the fact that our running game in general wasn’t quite as awesome may have also contributed… But I still think the significant amount of time the #2 back gets should be encouraging for prospective recruits worried about playing time.
"You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But there's nothing funny about vapor lock! It's the third most common cause of cars stalling. So please, take care of your car and get it checked!" -Joe Namath
don't forget about malcom brown
don’t think for a second saban has stopped recruiting him. i know he’ll likely end up staying at texas, but their udder (get it?) meltdown can only help our chances.
It was a woman who drove me to drink and I never got a chance to thank her.
We better get our O-line shored up, because if Ingram and Trent can't get it done without a decent line
then it doesn’t matter how many of these guys we get.
OTS, question – I am by no means the football specialist you are, however in talking with a buddy the other day I referred to the lack of linemen (offensive) signed by the previous coaches before Saban. Do you still think, years down the road, this contributed to our o-line decline this year? I’m not sure, and it may just be cyclical, but it seems trying to build up the depth and having to play younger guys has hurt us. I may be WAAAAY off base, just curious.
Also, what do you think about our o-line moving into next year? I firmly believe Pendry is the best damn line coach in the country, so I think given more depth and injury luck next year we could be really good. I guess I would like to see you do an in-depth look at the line’s problems this past year as well as looking ahead, who we will have next year, progress, etc. at some point in the off season.
"I guess I must stutter. Did I stutter? I'm not very clear on how I articulate. Maybe I need to go back to West Virginia and get some more hillbilly slang and maybe everybody can understand me a little better." - Nick Saban, because reporters haven't learned.
OTS, question – I am by no means the football specialist you are, however in talking with a buddy the other day I referred to the lack of linemen (offensive) signed by the previous coaches before Saban. Do you still think, years down the road, this contributed to our o-line decline this year?
No, that’s wrong. We went heavy on signing linemen on both sides of the ball in Saban’s first four classes, and if anything that overload came at the expense of signing DB’s. The players we had up front this year were both experienced and highly-touted, and Shula’s troubles in recruiting offensive linemen played no role in any issues we saw this season. It wasn’t a lack of experience — to the contrary, we had a hell of a lot of experience up front — it was just that the line fell apart in the stretch run.
As for the line moving forward, who knows? The sudden decline of the offensive line is the great mystery of the UA program right now, and no one can come up with a good reason for why it happened. We’re just going to have to wait until spring practice to even get any real insight on that one.
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by outsidethesidelines on Dec 7, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, dude
"I guess I must stutter. Did I stutter? I'm not very clear on how I articulate. Maybe I need to go back to West Virginia and get some more hillbilly slang and maybe everybody can understand me a little better." - Nick Saban, because reporters haven't learned.
by BamaReturns07 on Dec 7, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
Here , sir, have this rec...
you hit that one out of the ballpark!
"...because you've got your mind right, and that's the way we like it." Nick Saban
I'm no OTS but...
Let’s look at the depth chart of those who are playnig vs. not:
David Ross – Senior who never played a meaningful snap
Taylor Pharr – punter anyone?
Motley – any meaningful snaps?
James Carpenter – JUCO (why do you think?)
New guys – Warmack RS Fresh, Steen RS Fresh, Fluker RS Fresh
I think that sums it up right there.
Yes GMAC, I am your father!
Not sure what you're trying to list there.
Were you listing the senior OLs… plus a few RS FR??
If I'm wearing a turban, it means Auburn is playing Iraq.
Leadership and snaps as a unit matter
Those who are seniors haven’t played much at all other than Carpenter and he was a JUCO transfer. It’s also telling that those now starting are RS Freshmen over 3 juniors and 2 seniors.
Out of 19 OLs on the roster, 7 are eligible as FR, 5 SO, 4 Juniors (with only 1 starter) and 3 SR (1 starter). So the talent is weighted to the younguns with little game experience as a unit. Don’t care how talented you are, you need game reps to be a strong unit and we didn’t have that.
Yes GMAC, I am your father!
Sums up what?
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I guess Taylor didn't progress as Pharr as we'd hoped he would...
"You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But there's nothing funny about vapor lock! It's the third most common cause of cars stalling. So please, take care of your car and get it checked!" -Joe Namath
I think what he is trying to say is
if you look at the older guys that we have on the O-line right now, they are just not dominant players………and in the SEC, you are either dominant, or fodder for opposing defensive lines……we have had a few high profile OL recruits just not live up to expectations for whatever reason (Tyler Love anybody?), not to mention having one star left tackle leave early…….every guy you lose to medical scholarship, NFL draft, or to just not living up to the hype lowers your mean experience and ability level at the OL, hell at any position…….look at DB and what has happened there……a combination of early departures (Kareem Jackson), not living up to expectations (BJ Scott), suspension (Robby Green), and attrition (Rod Woodson) lowers the mean experience and ability level at the position to a point where it becomes a group that does not perform as well as it could have otherwise……
This is one of the reasons that a coach like Nick Saban makes so much money…….and why recruiting is so critical and difficult……you don’t know how a kid will truly turn out – you make evaluations to the best of your ability – but for many different reasons some players just do not “get it”…….have that happen enough times at a specific position and you are in real trouble…….a lot of position coaches have lost their jobs over this kind of thing……I mean, does anyone here think that Joe Pendry forgot how to coach the OL from last year to this year?……I sure as hell don’t; the guy is the best in the business – he just simply didn’t have the dominant players he has had in the past, and offensive line is the type of unit that when one guy isn’t getting it done, it makes it look like the whole unit is bad…….
Bottom line to me is, we have the kind of coaches that will not stand for anything but the best……..and they’ll find a way to get it……..
Pharr...is he even on the team anymore?
"...because you've got your mind right, and that's the way we like it." Nick Saban
pretty sure he's not
one of brian cooks fabled in the ass getters, aka medical scholy.
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by tempebamafan on Dec 7, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
We better get our O-line shored up, because if Ingram and Trent can’t get it done without a decent line then it doesn’t matter how many of these guys we get.
+like a million, i really hope we get cyrus, he would help
It was a woman who drove me to drink and I never got a chance to thank her.
reply fail, should be a reply to BR07
It was a woman who drove me to drink and I never got a chance to thank her.
johnsands would like to have a word with you...
"I guess I must stutter. Did I stutter? I'm not very clear on how I articulate. Maybe I need to go back to West Virginia and get some more hillbilly slang and maybe everybody can understand me a little better." - Nick Saban, because reporters haven't learned.
by BamaReturns07 on Dec 7, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
oops, that was supposed to be a "john?" question mark. Reply fail on the jsands question; oh the irony.
Is that what the j stands for, john?
If I'm wearing a turban, it means Auburn is playing Iraq.
it's jasands.
"I’d love to be inoculated against stupid" - Thomas Walker Esq, RBR Knowledge Dropper
by Slice of Life on Dec 7, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
whatever
j, john, its all the same
"I guess I must stutter. Did I stutter? I'm not very clear on how I articulate. Maybe I need to go back to West Virginia and get some more hillbilly slang and maybe everybody can understand me a little better." - Nick Saban, because reporters haven't learned.
by BamaReturns07 on Dec 7, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Orlando Sentinel says . . .
. . . that Bama is out of the running for Dee Hart. If he de-commits Michigan, which he will do if Rich Rod is fired, he will go to Florida, according to the Florida paper.
Yeah I saw this.
I think it is really iffy on all 3. Hart may still come our way but I think Rich Rod should survive for 1 more year. Crowell and Hill both have a lot of reasons to stay in state. If we get even 1 of these 3 I will be very happy. However, without any of these if we get Cyrus I’m still happy. In my estimation we have a lot of good RB’s already at Bama- TR, Lacy, Goode, and Fowler. Plus I look for Grant & Blake Sims to also see a lot of touches. It is not the ball carriers, it is the blockers for the ball carriers that we need.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Yeah, it would be disappointing . . .
. . . but we could survive one more year without a top tier RB recruit. However, landing one in the 2012 class would be nearly imperative if we don’t get one of these three.
True
And remember that Mark Ingram was a 3 star. Saban is very good at finding talent regardless of how the recruiting services rate them, so I think we’re looking good. Honestly in terms of this year’s issues that need to be addressed (along with those created by people leaving), RB is probably the least of our worries.
"You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But there's nothing funny about vapor lock! It's the third most common cause of cars stalling. So please, take care of your car and get it checked!" -Joe Namath
At this point
It’s about blocking, blocking, blocking, play calling, and more blocking.
"I have tried to teach them to show class, to have pride, and to display character. I think football, winning games, takes care of itself if you do that." -Paul W. Bryant
Also, staying on assignments in the secondary
"You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But there's nothing funny about vapor lock! It's the third most common cause of cars stalling. So please, take care of your car and get it checked!" -Joe Namath
Almost didn't see you way down here.
"I’d love to be inoculated against stupid" - Thomas Walker Esq, RBR Knowledge Dropper
by Slice of Life on Dec 7, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
TWSS?
"I have tried to teach them to show class, to have pride, and to display character. I think football, winning games, takes care of itself if you do that." -Paul W. Bryant
...to her dwarf lover?
"I’d love to be inoculated against stupid" - Thomas Walker Esq, RBR Knowledge Dropper
by Slice of Life on Dec 7, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Ha
Or perhaps a 3rd individual who didn’t RSVP to the party, but showed up anyway.
"I have tried to teach them to show class, to have pride, and to display character. I think football, winning games, takes care of itself if you do that." -Paul W. Bryant
I got you.
"I’d love to be inoculated against stupid" - Thomas Walker Esq, RBR Knowledge Dropper
by Slice of Life on Dec 7, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
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