Coaches' All-SEC team
by CarrotTop4 on Dec 7, 2010 4:16 PM CST
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PrintSenior tackle James Carpenter , junior wide receiver Julio Jones , junior defensive lineman Marcell Dareus and junior strong safety Mark Barron are first-team picks.
Tide has four first-team selections on coaches' All-SEC team
Bama also had seven second team selections to lead the SEC with 12 overall selections. (Trent Richardson was chosen in two positions on the second team.) LSU had the most first team selections with 5. Auburn had 4 selections, all on the first team.
Last year's Heisman trophy winner only ranked as a second team All-SEC this season. Ouch. Marcus Lattimore was chosen first-team All-SEC RB. He was the only freshman selected.
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Ingram just had a second team kind of year...
And I’m really surprised any of our O-Line were selected. oh, well.
Barrett Jones is a beast
and Vlachos does well against any team not named “tigers”.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 7, 2010 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
Some comments:
1. None of our O-line should make any all star team. I don’t even think they could be among the 5 best in the state of Alabama.
2. This is probably the 1st time a returning Heisman trophy winner failed to make 1st team in his conference. To be honest even 2nd team could be seen as a gift.
3. Lester is not that good at safety, at least not right now. He does hold onto the ball when it hits him in the hands. However I can’t see picking a DB just because of interceptions. Sometimes interceptions actually occur because you blew a coverage and the qb just threw a bad ball.
4. For Auburn to have just 4 1st team all SEC players and probably win the NC shows they are very much a 1 man team.
5. This league is loaded with WR. AJ Green as 2nd team is a shame.
6. With all of UF’s talent only 1 first team & 1 second team and a punter. That is poor coaching. I can remember when you wouldn’t even know UF had a punter.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
c'mon man...
3. Lester is not that good at safety, at least not right now. He does hold onto the ball when it hits him in the hands. However I can’t see picking a DB just because of interceptions. Sometimes interceptions actually occur because you blew a coverage and the qb just threw a bad ball.
He’s a turnover machine; forces fumbles; and is a terrific hitter. Your point is a good one if he has 2-3 interceptions on the season. But he leads the league with 7, and has more than earned this spot.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 7, 2010 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
When he is in position he is good.
When he is out of position it could cost you a 1st down or even 6.
I’d rather give up a few int’s to make the other team punt once and while.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Yeah, cause
we never force punts with our 2nd in the SEC 34% third down defense. The Barn came into the IB converting 53% and we held them to 31%. Even if you factor in their two 4th down conversions we held them to 40%.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
by J Tadpole on Dec 8, 2010 8:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Were you the same guy that thought that a sack and/or pressuring the QB was prefereable to a turnover? I don’t care what you say, a turnover is almost always better than a punt (especially when your returner is not named Javy).
The trouble
with turnovers is you can never just “make” them happen were as you can force a punt. If we had forced more punts late in the games we lost we would have won them. Against Arky we did get the 2 big turnovers late and thus we won. Against SC, LSU, and Auburn we did not get those late turnovers and we could not force them to punt, at least not soon enough and often enough.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
In our three losses we were -3 in turnovers. The rest of the season, we were +14 on turnovers. You do the math.
I'm not sure this is a math problem.
However, this just proves my point. If you are counting on your defense to make turnovers in order for you to win you can not force turnovers and thus you will lose some games.
However, if you are counting on your defense to make the other team punt, and just see turnovers as an additional opportunity to score, you will win every game if your defense is great.
Bottom line, and Saban said this numerous times, we could not get off the field on 3rd downs this year. My orginal point was that Lester, although he had a lot of picks, was not IN MY ESTIMATION an all SEC safety, not even 2nd team. And neither was Kirkpatrick. Come on, if 3 of our 4 DB’s were all SEC caliber we would have been a dominating defense and we would not have given up the long TD passes.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
And my poiunt is that turnovers are also key. CNS has said just as often that one of the most important factors, if not the most important factor, in winning football games is winning the turnover battle. I never said that we should rely on turnovers at the expense of getting off the field on 3rd down. What I said is that I would rather see our defense get a turnover on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, than to see a PBU or QB hurried so he throws it away.
It’s also interesting that you just say we can “make” or “force” the other team to punt but that we can’t “make” or “force” the other team ti turn the ball over. In addition to losing the turnover battle in the games we lost, we couldn’t “make” them punt either. So I guess we can’t make them punt either.
Just because our defense as a whole had difficulty at times getting off the field on 3rd down it doesn’t mean that Lester was bad. And the fact that he got 7 turnovers mitigates the fact that he was occasionally out of position. Also, if 3 out of 4 of our DBs were All-SEC we’d still give up long TDs if the other was out of position. And you can bring Dre into this discussion but that has no bearing on whether Lester is deserving or not. The fact is that he was a ball-hawk and on at least 7 drives (more than any other player) he got his defense off of the field with am INT.
And, not to doubt your football chops, but I think I’ll respect the AP’s and the SEC Coaches’ determination on who desreves and who does not deserve to be on the All-SEC team over yours.
I'll admit that this is not
about Kirkpatrick. And, I’ll admit that Lester had a hand in getting the D off the field 7 times.
But, play for play I just don’t see him, I don’t see any of our DB’s having all star seasons. There were just so many times receivers from the other team were running wide open, no one within 10 yards. We can;t blam that all on Milliner.
I wonder if Saban voted any of these DB’s All-SEC?
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Well, I did not know that.
Saban says winning when you play poorly is the kiss of death.
I’d throw in winning awards when you played just average is a good way to make sure you don’t win awards the next year. I’d say that outside of Dareus no one on our D was really outstanding this year. They were average.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
As a team they were : 3rd in interceptions; 5th in scoring against and first downs allowed (what seems to be the most important stat to you); 6th in total and red zone defense; 7th in pass efficiency defense; 12 in pass defense; 13 in 3rd down defense; 22 in rush defense.
Sounds pretty average to me.
And I don’t think that leading the Conference in interceptions and being fourth in passes defended (behind 3 CBs and tied with Patrick Peterson), is “just average.”
Well dude I guess we should be playing
in Glendale.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
No, all you need is a great D.
I feel our D was average, you seem to think they were near greatness.
I feel we had a big drop off in D since last year and you seem to feel we were equal to last years group.
I feel there is no way anyone but Dareus should get any sort of recoginiton on D and you seem to feel we have at least 5 first All-Sec or 2nd team All-Sec players.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I feel...
…like someone else needs to get added to the “needs-to-get-laid-for-Xmas” list….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 9, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
No, all you need is a great D.
No, last year we had one of the greatest defenses of all time and needed a high power offense and a good bit of luck to make it to the BCSCG. So clearly you need more that just a great D.
I feel our D was average, you seem to think they were near greatness.
Did I ever say that? What I said was that they are not average. I pointed to a number of statistics that put them in the top 10% of defenses this year and another that put them in the top 20%. That by definition is not average. However, just because the were better than many teams this year does not mean they were great or even approaching greatness. Hell, even if they were the best defense this year that doesn’t necessarily mean they were great. Greatness is measured all time, not just over a one year period.
I feel we had a big drop off in D since last year and you seem to feel we were equal to last years group.
Again, did I say that? please re-read what I said above. It seems to apply equally to this. Do you think that because last year’s defense had 4 representatives on the All-SEC team and this year there are 5 that means that they’re equal? That doesn’t make sense. Those 4 last year were all first team All-SEC and 3 of them went on to be All-Americans. This year however, we only had 2 first teamers and they likely will not make All-American. Additionally, even if this team had more All-Americans it does not make them equal because those are individual achievements versus what makes a defense good is how they work as a unit. Clearly last year’s defense was a better unit than this year’s defense. For example, 11 average guys working together as a unit can be good or even great and a 5 great players with 6 average players not working together without leadership can suck.
you seem to feel we have at least 5 first All-Sec or 2nd team All-Sec players.
Yet again, I didn’t say that. What I said was that it’s not off the wall to believe that the AP and the SEC Coaches might have a better handle on who deserves to be on the All-SEC team. And I have only really defended their selection of Lester. I would not be upset if they picked another safety in his spot but I also can see how he deserves it.
I feel there is no way anyone but Dareus should get any sort of recoginiton [sic] on D
Well if Barron, Lester, Dre, and Dont’a does not deserve to be on either the first or second teams, who does? In your expert opinion, who should have filled their spots. In Barron’s spot, please list 2 safeties (one first team and one second team).
Ok, I don't know all the safeties
in the league, but there are a few guys I know who look as good as Barron to me. I don’t have the stats, but they seem to be worth consideration. Hatcher at LSU, Allen at SC, and Jackson at UT. I also liked the Hayward kid at Vandy the one Vandy game I saw, but it was on TV and he may be playing CB.
Again, not sure their stats. However, I’ll say this, Barron was our best DB, but if he really is the best safety in the conference then the conference is really down at the position. I look at safety to be a game changer, like Rashad Johnson, or Berry.
Barron was not a game changer, only the best of some fairley inexperienced backs.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I don’t have the stats, but they seem to be worth consideration.
Do you think, just maybe, the Coaches and the AP had both the stats for and considered each of the aforementioned safeties?
I also liked the Hayward kid at Vandy the one Vandy game I saw, but it was on TV and he may be playing CB.
He was.
Barron was not a game changer, only the best of some fairley inexperienced backs.
Again, he doesn’t have to be great (or even good) at the position. He just has to be better than the others. It may have been a down year at the position. But like I said, the people making these choices watched all of the players and have all of the stats.
Ok, I'll give you
it was a down year. My biggest problem with giving awards to people who were not that good is that it makes them think they were pretty good. That is a way to increase mediocre play.
Barron, Kirkpatrick, Lester, and Milliner were all honored. I wish they had been shut out because then they might work even harder in the off seasont to actually be better next year. Unless our DB’s improve next year I am very leary of us going 12-0 regular season.
The thing is the schedule, the numbers we have coming back on both sides of the ball, and a renewed desire to win all point to a shot at going 12-0. What we don’t need is a lot of awards for a team that was t-3 in the west.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Mark had surgery and missed 3 games, that hurt him.
Same with AJ, he missed 4? games and that whole thing hurt him.
Bama's Pluck and Grit have Writ Her Name in Crimson Flame
by TideFanAtlanta on Dec 7, 2010 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention...
…playing in the same league with Alshon Jeffrey and Julio hurt him. They some bad muthas….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 7, 2010 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just talkin' 'bout 'Shon and Julio....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 8, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
Mark only missed 2 games.
He was back for the Duke game, which was Week 3.
If I'm wearing a turban, it means Auburn is playing Iraq.
Julio over AJ
almost gives me hope that my “Julio gets drafted higher” bet with my UGA fan friends wasn’t entirely stupid.
Really though, I’m proud of all the outstanding talent this team has, and I’m happy to see the players recognized. Roll Tide!
I think that was a solid bet, sister.
I think you’ll win.
by Queen of the Universe on Dec 8, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
As TFA said above,
AJ missed 4 games, so that hurt him in this vote. The NFL won’t really care about that though.
QUACK QUACK!!
I just...
…posted something similar on another thread, but to me the best thing about this list is the number of seniors from other schools as compared to the number of underclassmen from UA. If Julio, MI, Dareus, and Barron all jump, we’ll still have players returning at 7 of these 12 slots. Tomorrow is another day.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 8, 2010 11:52 PM CST reply actions
Also, congrats to Fluker, Mosley, Milliner, and Mandell for making Freshman All-SEC.
SEC announces all-freshman team; Florida leads the way
QUACK QUACK!!
Fluker & Mosely yes.
I wish I could be more bullish on Mandell. Milliner’s best football has to lay ahead of him.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I think any freshman DB starting for Saban
is likely to get a close look for Freshman All-SEC unless he’s just horrific.
QUACK QUACK!!
Mosely and Fluker should make Frosh AA teams
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 12, 2010 8:54 AM CST reply actions
Fluker mos definitely should...
…make any American Airlines teams….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 12, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
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