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Auburn 58, Alabama 57: A Postmortem

Let me just start out by saying that I was so disgusted by not only what went down Saturday in Auburn's Beard-Eaves Memorial Coliseum, but also in how it went down, that I couldn't bring myself to look at anything college basketball related for over 24 hours, much less post a lucid story about the incident on the Plains.

Well that 24 hours has now since passed, and at this time I will at least attempt to share my reactions in a coherent way to what was, for me anyway, the most disappointing Alabama basketball loss in several years.

My first reaction stems from the fact that we lost to Auburn. I hate Auburn. Listening to their band and students do the whole mock Rammer-Jammer thing makes my blood boil. I can't stand it. I can't stand seeing their fans celebrate in a sport that all but about 3,000-4,000 of them care nothing about, unless of course Alabama or Kentucky happens to be in the building (that's about how many fans actually show up for most of their conference games, probably the fewest of any major college in the country, definitely by far the fewest in the SEC).

Which brings me to my next point. This loss against Auburn really hurt our basketball season, in a lot of ways, and Coach Grant and many of the players seemed to echo in their post-game comments my own sentiment that this loss was easily the biggest setback of our season so far. So I must admit, it kinda bugs me when I hear fellow Tide fans say, "oh it's okay, we beat them in football." Yes, we did beat them in football, and that was wonderful, but this isn't football. And while football may be far more important culturally in the state of Alabama, and the Alabama-Auburn football rivalry is certainly more intense among most fans of both schools, college basketball is still a really big deal, and this was a game we really needed to win. Nation-wide, basketball is more or less considered equally important to college football. No really, it is.

When Alabama was enjoying a decent amount of success on the hardwood a few years back in the middle of Mark Gottfried's tenure, Auburn fans used that same football defense mechanism, but that's to be expected from them. The whole "we don't care about basketball" mantra is the biggest reason they can't recruit enough talent to be more than a thorn in the side of the league's better teams, and why they will finish this season as the SEC's worst team of the decade. I expect more from our fans though because we have never been ones to settle for mediocrity. We may not always fill every seat in our own gym, but you can count on at least 10,000-12,000 fans for each conference home game (which would more than sell out Auburn's arena), and I suspect the 15,000+ crowds to start picking up in frequency once again as we continue to rebuild. We are [slowly] laying the foundation of special things to come for our "other" major sports program. I'll be discussing the future of Alabama basketball at length once this season plays out. Right now though, I will say that we have the resources, in-state talent, and coach to be a championship program, but we as fans need to jump on board and commit ourselves to becoming the Florida of the next decade and avoid being the Auburn of the next decade at all costs.

Sorry for that little aside, but I just needed to get it off my chest. Besides, all we really need to say to Auburn is to remind them of the rematch in Tuscaloosa on March 6th. We'll decide once and for all who is this year's better basketball team then. That's all we need to worry about as far as they are concerned. In the meantime, they can enjoy what will probably be their biggest win of the year, and start thinking about what kind of Crimson Tide teams they will be facing in the years to come once Coach Grant's Process gets rolling along.

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Getting back to the matter at hand, though, I will repeat that this loss Saturday on the court was devastating, and not just in the gut-wrenching way it happened. We suffered our second loss of the year to a team ranked below 100 in the RPI, which in all likelihood was a near deathblow for our NCAA hopes. More on that in the coming days. Although Auburn is not a good team, and this loss looks bad on paper, it really isn't all that unique or surprising in and of itself. For one, despite Alabama being the SEC's 5th best team of the past decade and Auburn being the 12th, they usually find a way to win when we come to town and they actually have fans show up. They went 7-3 against us at home in the decade, and even beat us the year we won the SEC championship in 2002. In other words, Auburn beating us at home isn't a shock, even when we are the better team. Second, Auburn is not that bad a team, especially at home. They gave both #1 Kentucky and #18 Ole Miss all they wanted and more this year at home, taking both teams down to the wire in the final minutes, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that we also found ourselves in a close game with them down the stretch.

What was a surprise though was the way in which we melted down in the final 20 seconds of the game. Despite all the things we did wrong to even get to that point, we were basically in position to win in the closing minute only to give it away with two baffling mistakes by our senior leader in the final 20 seconds. I can think of few worse ways to lose a game, especially with everything that player has gone through to even get the team to the point where we are now. That's all I have to say about the way the game ended. I would have had a lot more to say on Saturday, but that's why I waited a day and a half to write this.

As for how we got into that position of a close game in the first place, well, I have one word: turnovers. 19 of them precisely. Once again, we played almost perfectly on defense--the one costly lapse of focus on the inbounds play notwithstanding. We held one of the SEC's highest scoring teams to under 60 points. Where the turnovers come in, though, is the fact that Auburn might not have hit 40 if it weren't for the turnovers we gave up and especially the easy baskets they got off of them. Auburn had 21 points off turnovers, meaning they only had 37 otherwise. We've done a pretty good job of avoiding turnovers this year given our lack of perimeter ballhandlers, but this statistic from Saturday is simply unacceptable. Coach Jeff Lebo's defense is centered around causing turnovers in the halfcourt, but if we had simply done a better job taking care of the ball, especially near midcourt, we would have probably held Auburn to under 50 points and won this game by double digits.

Obviously, the other key to this loss was our lack of offensive production. This isn't new. We may be the best defensive team in the SEC, but along with LSU, we may also be the worst offensive team in the league, at least in terms of halfcourt offense. With another outstanding defensive performance, we only needed an average day offensively, and didn't get it. Not only did the offensive turnovers absolutely kill us, but we also needed more production out of pretty much all of our players individually. I could run down the list player-by-player, but at this point I think general statements are more appropriate. We need to be more persistent on offense. Teams by this point have scouted us and are prepared to take certain things away from us. When that happens, given our limited offensive options, we have to be prepared to keep going back until those things are there. Bottom line though, we need more production from our stars and more tenacity offensively from everyone else.

In the future, I'll continue to speak to individual player performances after each game, but for this one I just felt the need to talk more to my hatred of Auburn, our outlook on basketball as fans, and the team's general failures on Saturday.

Next up for the Tide is a home date with Florida on Thursday night. The good news is that we get extra time to prepare, and a big-name team like Florida provides us with a good opportunity to bounce back from this most disappointing loss.

Roll Tide.

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Great post and I totally agree with this:

“So I must admit, it kinda bugs me when I hear fellow Tide fans say, ‘oh it’s okay, we beat them in football.’ Yes, we did beat them in football, and that was wonderful, but this isn’t football.”

I want to beat them in everything from basketball to football to tiddlywinks.

Thanks for the good hoops coverage. I appreciate the job you’re doing.

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by SoundCheckMama on Feb 1, 2010 1:10 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

yes but there is a bit of context here...

falling back on the point we beat them 26-21 on their own football field on november 27 is, most importantly, a way of telling the lame barner fans (who are lame for the many reasons pointed out above) to STFU. is in no way meant to replace or excuse the sting of the loss by the crimson tide basketball squad.

i think you also have to consider that the fact there is another game against this team to conclude the season also takes away some of the urgency in the perception of the outcome. in football, when the game is over, that’s it. the score is the one both side have to live with for another twelve months. but in basketball we all know these two squads will face off in just a few more weeks.

oh, and there’s this interesting halftime celebration planned for that next game as well. i expect a pretty good sized crowd to be on hand as a result.

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by kleph on Feb 1, 2010 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Listening to their band and students do the whole mock Rammer-Jammer thing makes my blood boil.

this is why they do it. but, remember, it’s only because the actual rammer jammer galls them worse.

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by kleph on Feb 1, 2010 8:01 AM CST reply actions  

Indeed

Besides, them telling us to “Go to Hell” usually throws their whole complaining about us having no class bit out the window. We might brag, but telling somebody to go to hell for losing is MUCH worse.

Fumbles. It was always Fumbles

by DocFumbles on Feb 1, 2010 8:22 AM CST up reply actions  

"telling somebody to go to hell for losing is MUCH worse"

not when its the dbags who tell the opponents they beat “we just beat the hell outta you”

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by GumptownTiger on Feb 1, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Case in point

Fumbles. It was always Fumbles

by DocFumbles on Feb 1, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

It's hard to take your entire article seriously

when you write statements like

Nation-wide, basketball is more or less considered equally important to college football. No really, it is.

by The Beard on Feb 1, 2010 8:21 AM CST reply actions  

why...

this is probably pretty accurate. the march tournament is immensely popular and certainly rivals the bowl series in terms of overall viewership and audience participation.

moreover, you see the interest reflected in SB Nation stats. RBR’s traffic during football season is very much on par with A Sea of Blue’s baskeball season numbers. the best performing sites on our system are those who have interest in both sports.

and to take the example of alabama specifically, the university spends more per individual basketball recruit than those they are wooing to come to the capstone to play football.

this is a debatable point but it’s certainly not a dismissible one as you seem to suggest.

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by kleph on Feb 1, 2010 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd agree.

Nationwide college basketball is very near football in importance. I watched some of the Kansas- K-State game with a UGA grad and he remarked “I sure wish basketball meant as much to the students at UGA as it does in Kansas.”

My own daughter is at Bama, and attends all the home games, but the student excitement at Bama is not that much more than her high school. And when you consider that Bama had 28,000 students and the games are free for them, we ought to be packed out with students. I mean at Duke the students camp out just to get in…and it is worth it (if you have ever been to a game at Duke.)

I hope, I really hope, with Coach Grant basketball will reach new heights in importance at Bama. I’d love to see it get so big we have to build a new areana to seat 24k.

And folks college basketball is a great sport.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Feb 1, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

The postseasons

might me comparable, but the entire season’s/fan viewership/participation is not comparable. And to suggest basketball the sport is as popular as the sport of football in this nation is just silly. Regular season ratings/attendance between CBB/CFB, NBA/NFL aren’t even close to each other. And of course there are a few schools that regularly sell out their basketball games and have a lot of support for the basketball teams, but so many more sell out home football games. Just look at the sizes of the stadiums, don’t you think if somebody could sell out 100,000 seats to see a basketball game they would?

by The Beard on Feb 1, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

6 home football games vs 16-20 home basketball games

The numbers, if both teams are good, even out.

And the 100,000 people to see a basketball game? Build an arena that big in Lexington and watch it fill up every night.

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by btcoop71 on Feb 1, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I said more on this below, and it’s hard to compare crowds either way given the scarcity issue you pointed out and the simple fact that the football regular season means so much more. Still, it’s hard to argue against the spectacle of a college football game.

But you are spot on regarding UK. They send 40,000 fans to places like Atlanta for first-round SEC tournament games in the middle of the week just because those are all the people who can’t get inside Rupp Arena to see them play at home.

by Matt Dover on Feb 1, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

i think you need to get a bit better versed

in the concept of scarcity in terms of product value.

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by kleph on Feb 1, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I knew that statement would draw out a comment or two from people who don’t get out of the state very much.

This is probably going to hurt your brain, but in 1992, approximately 16-17 million viewers watched us win the national championship over Miami in football. That same year, more than double the number—between 34-35 million—watched Duke beat Michigan for the basketball title.

Now, in many cases, especially in the last ten years, the football championship has gotten slightly better ratings, but we’re talking about an average of around 25 million compared to an average of around 20 million. More than enough to back up the statement that the sports are considered “more or less equally important” on a national scale.

Check out the TV ratings.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/ncaa-mens-basketball-tv-ratings-1975-2007/2844

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/01/08/college-football-championship-tv-ratings-1991-2008/10473

by Matt Dover on Feb 1, 2010 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

That's the problem though

You’re comparing a single, all important game from each sport and saying “that means these sports are close”, when that’s just not true and an unsound basis for comparison. To compare the sports you must include the regular seasons and overall fan hype/attendance. CBB regular season doesn’t hold water at all when compared to college football’s regular season.

by The Beard on Feb 1, 2010 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

You have a good point about regular seasons, and that is what makes college football so unique (and controversial). College football regular season means more than any other in American sports. And obviously as Alabama fans we know the spectacle that home football games can bring, what with the all-day tailgating and weekend-long events. That said, each team only has about 6-7 home games a year and with so much riding on each game, it’s no surprise that there are far more fans that come out for those. All-day spectacle+importance of regular season+rarity of games=big crowds, at least at the handful of big-time football schools. Basketball by comparison has about three times as many home games, each lasting about half as long as a football game, in a sport where the regular season is simply all about positioning yourself for the postseason. So no, the crowds aren’t the same and the regular season hype is not the same.

That said, both sports are all about crowning a champion, they just go about it in different ways. College football is about the spectacle of the regular season, college basketball is about the spectacle of March Madness, which demands the majority of the national sports media’s attention during those three weeks. Both are big because they determine who will play in the championship game.

And once that championship game finally comes around, people who care about the sport will presumably tune in. Which of course brings us back to my original point that roughly the same number of people watch both.

Look I know arguments can be made that football is bigger in some ways, and no doubt the regular season is more important, but to look at the championship game ratings and not admit that on some level they are at least “more or less considered equal” is a bit unfair I think. I was hoping for a little more generosity with that “more or less” part.

by Matt Dover on Feb 1, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

the fact we are having this discussion at all

validates your original comment.

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by kleph on Feb 1, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

how bout

programs like Gonzaga, Villanova, VCU, St. John’s, etc? How many programs in this country have seen success in bball, have fanbases that support these teams, and lack a football program at their respective institutions? We’re biased b/c we live in the southeast, where football is everything; basketball is just as big, if not bigger than football, in many other regions of our country, and to say it isn’t insinuates that you’ve never left our little slice of heaven

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by Thomas Walker Esq on Feb 1, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

i think this was a huge loss as well

but keep in mind every one of the last three games has been a “do or die” situation for us. after dropping the three games to vandy, arkansas and tenn the seasons was very much on the brink. wins from there on out were to keep us from falling off the table, not to bolstering our resume for the post season.

and this team responded instead of collapsing. the wins against miss. st and LSU were huge and, despite a litany of errors, there’s no way anyone can say this team gave up saturday afternoon at the beard-eaves livery stable.

what this team chooses to do from here on out will very much be a measure of the greatness to come. if they decide to pack up and mail in the rest of the season, well then we know not to get our hopes up too much next season. but if they decide to dig deep and come back from this setback fighting harder than ever, then there’s good things to be expected not too terribly far down the road.

i have faith in coach grant. i believe in the process.

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by kleph on Feb 1, 2010 8:36 AM CST reply actions  

good post

I agree. I think the Auburn loss puts us in a place where the NIT would be mean a successful end to the season, and would show a big step in improvement.

I’ll say more on this later when all is said and done, but Grant has put us in position to win more than enough games to make us an NCAA team this year. We just haven’t been able to pull out many close games due to a lack of scoring, starting with Cornell and going through FSU, Purdue, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Tennessee, and now Auburn. If we win just two of those games we are alive and well in the NCAA hunt.

It’s still theoretically possible to make the tourney of course but it’s become somewhat unrealistic by this point.

by Matt Dover on Feb 1, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

No excuse

I don’t pretend to have the same kind of interest in basketball as I do in football but those final 20 seconds pretty much wrecked my weekend. We should not lose 4 games in a row to Auburn in anything. Ever. Period.

Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

by Mr. Kobayashi on Feb 1, 2010 9:58 AM CST reply actions  

thank you

This is exactly the point I was trying to make. You don’t have to care as much about basketball as football, as long as you are willing to demand excellence and not accept failure in a sport with so much nation-wide attention. And as you said, never accept losing to Auburn in anything.

by Matt Dover on Feb 1, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Bama07

you are spot on in every way. thanks so much for bringing excellent round ball info and analysis to the blog. i can’t WAIT till the rest of the bama nation demands excellence with regard to ALL U of A sports. you are a part of THAT process.

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by LittleSis on Feb 1, 2010 11:22 AM CST reply actions  

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