Anyone who saw Leigh Tiffin walk onto the field in overtime on Sept. 23, 2006, to kick an extra point was thinking one of two things. Either: Certainly he can't miss this one. Or: Mike Shula is insane.
From that inauspicious beginning, Tiffin went on to become one of the best kickers in SEC history. Team Speed Kills looks back at Tiffin's legacy as part of their ongoing series on seniors leaving the SEC.
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Tiffin improved over the years
that is for sure. But even last year I’m glad we did not have a game that came down to him kicking one home. And, I think Saban felt the same way. Notice that against Auburn at the end of the game rather than run it safely up the middle, use some clock, force them to take a TO, and then bring Tiffin on to seal the deal Saban opted for a pass play. Why? Because he had seen Tiffin in the clutch before as recent as LSU in 08.
And, I think it is somewhat fitting that his last attempt at scoring points was an extra point attempt against Texas after our last TD when HE MISSED!! Not that anyone cared, but it was pure Tiffin.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
Tiffin was a great college kicker. He had some consistency issues early on, but you’d be hard pressed to find a kicker that starts for four years and hasn’t missed a clutch FG or two.
He was one of the top five kickers in the entire country this past year, as voted on by folks who don’t have a lot of lingering trust issues from seeing him toy with several games in 2006.
I'm wrong all the time.
I'd have to agree
I was a Shula apologist until that day, but that broke the camel’s back. If I recall correctly, we were playing for both overtime and the field goal, despite his troubles that day.
Yeah,
He missed a FG in the 1st quarter then had a chance to win it near the end of regulation and missed from 30 yards. Then, after the defense picked Arkansas off to start the quarter, Shula played for the FG (3 straight runs up the middle) and Tiffin (a walk-on freshman making his second SEC start it should be noted) missed from 37. Then he obviously missed the PAT in overtime as well. He came a long way from that day.
I totally blamed Shula for that one.
That game
It was proof of Shula’s lack of ability to coach college ball. Sending Tiffin back out there after what he’d been through earlier was just cruel to him, and it showed how little Shula understood about sports played by college kids. They’re not professionals, and emotion is extremely important to the game. Another example of Shula not understanding his players — when the offense literally begged to go for a 4th and goal on our first drive against Auburn (2006 again?), he kicked the field goal.
What sealed it for me,
was when he kicked a FG on 4th and goal from the 1 at the end of the first half at Tennessee, got skewered for it because we lost by 3, then learned the exact wrong lesson and went for it a few weeks later in the same situation at home against FIU and got stuffed. It was then that I realized that he had no real feel for the game and how to manage it. He had no clue when it was good to go for it or when it was good to kick a FG.
Tiffin
will always be remembered as a very solid kicker but he just wasn’t very good under pressure. He would make a 50 yard kick early in the game and then miss a 15 yard field goal when the game was close at the end.
This upcoming season I'm gonna refer to Julio Jones as "The Magic Man" and Trent Richardson as "El Diablo"
by AlabamaTitans2009 on Feb 12, 2010 1:41 PM CST reply actions
You should really join us all here in 2010. 2006 was a loooong time ago.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Feb 12, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I hear ya.
“Automatic” was the right word for his 2009 performance. It was a strange irony that he missed his last PAT, but other than that he was money for the whole season.
"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Feb 12, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
hate to bring it up,
but did he not miss his last FG too?
"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban
May have,
but going 50/65 in field goals his past two seasons kinda makes up for that in my mind.
"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy
(Formerly SugarBowl93)
by RememberTheRoseBowl on Feb 12, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Well
He would have made both if Colt McCoy had been in, obviously.
by billycthulhu on Feb 12, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
It was strange
But anyone remember any of the UT game outside of Cody’s block? As I recall, he was our ONLY team member to score points that game. He’s a huge part of a lot of games we won this year, and I for one will miss him.
by billycthulhu on Feb 12, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Yes he scored all the points
that day and most of the points against Ole Miss. But, he kicked those FG’s while we were controling the game.
I think his most ’"clutch" kicks of the year came against LSU and Auburn when we were behind. But they were not game on the line kicks.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
But...
not one kick during the 2009 season was what I would call a “clutch”, game on the line variety. He was very good when he did not feel the pressure. Yet, as bad an overall kicker as Jamie Christianson was, if the game was on the line I’d rather have him kicking than Tiffin. I don’t care what the stats say, it is just a feeling I have.
LSU was in 08, not 06. And that was the last game on the line kick he had.
Plus, he was dangerously bad on kick-offs.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
yeah.
even though he booted enough fg’s to come within four of the NCAA record none of them were clutch. we’re lucky to be rid of him.
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I would argue
that our team was good enough in the past two years that there were not many situations that called for clutch kicks, thus, there are no real instances that can be used to judge how he’d perform in the clutch. This means that all we have to judge him on are Shula’s last year and Saban’s first where the team put itself in close game situations. He didn’t perform well then – in clutch or regular game situations. But, he got better – he was able to show that in regular game situations, but he had few chances to redeem himself from the “terrible in the clutch” stigma.
I’m not complaining that he didn’t have a chance to redeem himself, but I’m not sure it’s fair to assume that he’d have been terrible since he was never put in the position to earn the fans’ trust back.
You’re right, he wasn’t that great on kickoffs. However, a huge part of that was special teams performance in general, and not just the distance he couldn’t put on a kickoff.
"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy
(Formerly SugarBowl93)
by RememberTheRoseBowl on Feb 12, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Those kicks would have been "clutch" if he had missed them.
Just because he didn’t have a kick down by two with a second to go to win the game doesn’t mean his kicks weren’t clutch. People have very selective and pessimistic memories of kickers.
Making 30 field goals and 85% of your kicks is stellar. He was also strong from the 40 to 50 yard range which is where most college kickers fall off. His two 50 yard kicks in the 2009 UT game obviously won the game and saved the national championship.
He
did very well this past year but I thought we were talking about his whole career. He was inconsistent his first 3 years. I agree he redeemed himself this past year but 2006 was not the last year he missed a kick.
This upcoming season I'm gonna refer to Julio Jones as "The Magic Man" and Trent Richardson as "El Diablo"
by AlabamaTitans2009 on Feb 12, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know why
people see angry but what I said. I agree Tiffin was great this past year I was simply saying if the game was on the line I would not have faith in him to make it. That is my just my opinion I am not saying you have to agree.
This upcoming season I'm gonna refer to Julio Jones as "The Magic Man" and Trent Richardson as "El Diablo"
by AlabamaTitans2009 on Feb 12, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Brainfart
the first sentence should say “I don’t know why people seem angry by what I said”.
This upcoming season I'm gonna refer to Julio Jones as "The Magic Man" and Trent Richardson as "El Diablo"
by AlabamaTitans2009 on Feb 12, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
If
we were on the 1 yard line down by 2 with one second left would you let Tiffin attempt the game winner or go for the touchdown? I would go for the touchdown but that is just me.
This upcoming season I'm gonna refer to Julio Jones as "The Magic Man" and Trent Richardson as "El Diablo"
by AlabamaTitans2009 on Feb 12, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
that question has less to do with any kicker's ability
than the overall situation of the team and you know it.
Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.
By your logic...
Les Miles has never been a bad coach.
how, exactly, does posting tiffin's stats
reflect in ANY way on the decision making ability of the LSU coach?
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He was good and won a couple of games for us
but didn’t he miss a pat in his last two games? Luckily, we didn’t need him to win those games.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Tiffin was good
everyone would agree but not everyone thinks he was great and there is a difference.
So, if some people, me included, have an OPINON, that Tiffin was good but not great do the people that think he was great need to get offended, mad etc.?
Because I’m not mad if someone thinks he was our best ever kicker. It is totally subjective.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
by 5026 on Feb 12, 2010 5:39 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Again
I’m not mad. I’m just stating my case for why he should be considered one of our best kickers ever. That’s a pretty high honor, so I can see why there would be some disagreement. I think it had to take a lot to come back from what happened in 2006 and do as well as he has since then (not just “well” as in “better than 2006” but “NCAA record-breaking” well). He was a huge part of AT LEAST 2 of our wins leading up to the National Championship. So I say he deserves the honor, regardless of whether he turns out to be great at the next level (although you’d think he HAS to do better than some of the place-kickers in the league this past year).
by billycthulhu on Feb 12, 2010 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
Leigh Tiffin scored...
…all 12 points in the 12-10 victory over Tennessee. No matter what he did before, you all need to get on your knees each and every night and thank God for him for that alone.
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I agree with 5026 about the pressure situations. I agree with Todd on the Tennessee game.
My biggest issue with Tiffin is the lack of touchbacks on kickoffs.Most of his KO’s were caught at the ten after a low line kick which allowed the runner to the 20 before our guys even got down there . If it is kicked thru the endzone they have no chance at starting at the 40 YL. Also several KO’s went out of bounds allowing them to start at the 35. I thinkthat with the talent we had on kicks that the kicks themselves were more of an issue than the coverage. I don’t think I’ll miss him on kicks but I hope I don’t miss him on FG attempts either.
"Defense"
And yet...
…the statistical chart above clearly illustrates the remarkable improvement that LT made on kickoffs this past season. He certainly earned his All-American honors, and I would venture to say that his extra-point misses may have been the only thing that kept him from winning the Groza Award.
The infamous 2006 Arkansas game, in hindsight, was an aberration on a stellar career. Most people forget that he nailed a clutch, 4th quarter FG to give us the deciding points in a win vs. Vandy that same season.
His sophomore year, he hit a clutch, 4th quarter FG against Arkansas (yes, Arkansas) to make Matt Caddell’s winning TD catch possible. He also hit two 50+ yard FGs vs. MSU while Major Applewhite-JPW were throwing the game away.
Our team has been good enough the past two years that he hasn’t had many ‘pressure’ FG attempts, but the ‘miss’ against LSU in 2008 was partially blocked. Also, after getting his eye ripped out against UF in the SECCG, he came back in and hit an important FG in the 2nd half. We all saw how important his absence was during our dismal fake FG at the end of the 1st half.
This year, Tiffin did miss a few extra points, but he greatly improved his FGs and kickoffs. He may not be the greatest kicker we’ve ever had, but he’s easily one of the top five. He overcame some obstacles during his tenure (Shula’s confidence-eroding decisions during the 2006 Arkansas game and to keep him off the field after it, the off-season attack last summer that required stitches to his foot, the heavy criticism from his own team’s fans for much of his career), and he improved in some way each season, saving his best for last.
His UA career is over, he is an All-American and a National Champion. Some of you don’t want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don’t talk about at parties, you wanted him on that wall. You needed him on that wall. Personally, I’d rather you just said thank you and went on your way.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Feb 13, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Awesome
quote at the end man. That was one of the best speeches ever in a movie.
This upcoming season I'm gonna refer to Julio Jones as "The Magic Man" and Trent Richardson as "El Diablo"
by AlabamaTitans2009 on Feb 13, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
I have no problem thanking hmfor the great service he gave us most of his career
I still think he had some kickoff woes. As for as the partially blocked kick, Haven’t you also seen CNS get on his ass for low kicks. I didn’t bring the subject up and pondered a response to it. That is my response even though the reply was better than a movie speech.
"Defense"
Got nothing against Tiffin really
But Wiffin Tiffin was the name for a reason. That Arkansas game will always be remembered, because it was such a heartbreak at the time. Nothing is really ever going to erase that memory.
The stats listed don’t really tell the entire story. And 91% on PAT is not good IMO. Those should be automatic. They don’t tell the entire story because the last 2 years he got attempts and such that he never got before then. It has alot to do with how he set those records. Only goes to show how much the team itself has to do with a persons stats.
Yet he did improve, and I’m glad he had a pretty decent year this year. He became a much more reliable kicker in general. Tennessee game wasn’t really anything impressive I must say though, yes he scored all 12 points, but the measuring stick is could have other kickers have done the same, and in most all cases the answer would be yes. Thus, I can’t give so much credit as others do.
But when you factor in everything, he was a “bargin” player overall and played atleast up to what should have been realistic expectations. He was a walk on, not someone who got recruited and so forth. When you leave up a spot to walk-ons, then what can you really expect? Did I miss the headlines of better kickers being thrown out for him?
So, all I can say is thanks to him in the end, and that he earned it all. But I’m not going to over-state his accomplishments or anything. I am personally very happy Saban recruited kickers rather than hoping to get lucky with walk-ons. As far as walk-ons go, then Kiffin was better than to be expected and if we were sticking to walk-ons Kiffin caliber would be lucky to get.
Most kickers could have kicked a 50 and 49-yarder
as two of their 4 FGs?
by billycthulhu on Feb 13, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, easily in the right conditions.
It’s only when you take into accounts such as he was a walk-on and so forth that make the difference. So it depends on what we are comparing against. For a walk-on kicker, that is excellent and Alabama got way more than normal out of him. But if you are going to classify and compare him against the elite and best kickers, then such a kick is generally easy for them outside high winds etc.
Still, bet you UT would have loved to have Kiffin that night. I’m not trying to take anything away from Kiffin. Easily one of the better kickers we’ve had in recent times going back as far as his dad. I can’t really remember even trying that many FG’s from those distances in the past too much without just great wind conditions.
If we were sticking to walk-ons, I’d take a Tiffin every 3 years no questions asked(so they start as sophomores, not freshmen).
Easy to see there are mixed feelings here
CNS (I think) would say, He’s had a great career but there is room for improvement. He did improve in " The Process" and for that most of us are thankful for. Let’s pray our next kicker will do a great job at kicking extra pts and long kickoffs and our offense does a much better job in the red zone. If this happens with CNS defense maybe field Goals won’t be as important.
"Defense"
Oh
I’m not saying there isn’t room for improvement. I know he will have to improve if he wants to have success at the next level, though he could probably go ahead and play for the Cowboys if he wanted…
by billycthulhu on Feb 13, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Wow, in the end we’re all arguing about a solid kicker that did his job measurably well, who didn’t screw the pooch this year, and who improved from his nightmare of a freshman year. While not his father, the apple didn’t fall far from the tree…
1983 – 40/40 PAT (100%) 14/25 FG (56%) 82 PTS
1984 – 23/23 PAT (100%) 15/20 FG (75%) 68 PTS
1985 – 33/33 PAT (100%) 17/26 FG (65%) 84 PTS
1986 – 39/39 PAT (100%) 13/17 FG (76%) 78 PTS
Car – 135/135 PAT (100%) 59/88 FG (67%) 312 PTS
So, we have a clutch kicker in our minds due to “the kick” but in the course of a game he left many points on the table. Yet when his son was called upon, time after time, Leigh was able to make the kicks he was supposed to make, sans the awful game vs Arkansas where the points lost were so glaring.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and we all know they’re like assholes. But the statistics show Leigh, after maturing through the process, turned out to be a damned good kicker.
It's not what you've done, but what you are doing that matters.
Can you Honestly tell me
that you wouldn’t want a stronger leg on kickoffs. Over the last two years his FG kicking has been good and I’ve not bitched about that but I can’t see him kicking off at the next level. If you don’t agree that’s your opinion and everyone knows what they say about opinions.
"Defense"
Leigh Tiffin
was far from our biggest problem on kickoffs this past year
by billycthulhu on Feb 14, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'll take weak kickoffs for a steady leg...
…and seriously, while it gave us heartburn, where did it cause us to lose a game this year? Ya, that’s what you call a loaded question.
But point taken, I would rather have a team start at the 10-25 yard line instead of the 30-50 yard line after kickoffs. But in sacrifice of points off the board that could have caused Bama to lose a couple games this year? That’s what it comes to with college kickers most time; no leg but accuracy or leg and no accuracy. Hopefully this new kid coming in gives us both.
Yet, short kickoffs can be adjusted for. But not getting three points on a drive cannot.
It's not what you've done, but what you are doing that matters.
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