The University of Southern California’s three-day hearing before the N.C.A.A.’s committee on infractions ended Saturday night with little indication of what is ahead for the Trojans’ football and men’s basketball programs.
When the N.C.A.A. infractions committee typically holds hearings, numerous universities are lined up to appear. But David Price, the N.C.A.A.’s vice president for enforcement services, said the meeting was dedicated to U.S.C. Price, who has worked for the committee for 11 years, said, "This is the longest one since I’ve been here."
The N.C.A.A.’s decision on U.S.C.’s punishment, if it decides to punish the program, will not come for at least six weeks. The severity of any punishment will probably be tied to how much coaches and university officials knew about the violations.
The timetable after the committee’s hearings is typically six to eight weeks, but an N.C.A.A. spokeswoman said that complicated cases could take longer.
New York Times: N.C.A.A. Ends Hearing About U.S.C. Infractions
It looks like we are almost at the end of the USC saga, and at this point the only thing that remains is the announcement of their fate. I imagine there is a slight possibility that they skate, but given the severity of the charges, the general public conviction that they are guilty as hell, and the amount of time that the NCAA has devoted to this thing (both in the hearing itself and otherwise), I imagine the smart money is on USC getting hit very hard. One way or the other, we'll see soon enough.
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One more point...
… notice that in relation to Price saying that this is the longest hearing they’ve had in the eleven years he has been with the NCAA, he was also at the NCAA during the time the Means scandal. The fact that the NCAA has literally devoted more time to this than the Albert Means saga probably does not bode well for the Trojans, especially considering that they threw almost the entire weight of the institution behind that investigation.
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by outsidethesidelines on Feb 21, 2010 4:08 PM CST reply actions
If Oregon doesn't do something soon....
they will be next with all the off season fun happening in Eugene.
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/quote-me-2009-ducks-fbombs-over-duid-teammate-27894
Well at least now they have Lane Kiffin in there to clean things up
by billycthulhu on Feb 21, 2010 4:27 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Bwahaha
as the EDSBS does, +1 cocktails to you
by Bobby Briggs on Feb 21, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
I hope they get nailed....but
something tells me to not be surprised if they get off pretty light. If they spent the most amount of time on this one case was it because they just couldn’t ever get the facts down?
They spent 3 days trying to get USC to confess
Since that was unsuccessful, they’re now hoping to find a secret witness or they won’t have a case.
I hope they get
a major penalty. But, until they do I’m going to figure it is 3 schloarships and the loss of several recruiting visits.
I’m sorry I just don’t trust the NCAA to crack down on Hollywood and USC is pure Hollywood.
I mean if OJ can get away with murder USC should be able to get away with paying players. I can’t believe the NCAA has more integrity than an LA jury.
But that “longest hearing” thing makes me hold out some hope.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
Ignorance is bliss.
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by PeteHoliday on Feb 21, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
logic fail
I mean if OJ can get away with murder USC should be able to get away with paying players.
That makes almost as much sense as this:
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
"This is not the end. This is the beginning." - The Great and Powerful Saban
by Thomas Walker Esq on Feb 22, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
The comparison is
based on Hollywood connections- our the cult of fame that exists in this country. If you are famous in America you get a different set of rules to play by. USC and their close connection with Hollywood falls into that catergory. Alabama is seen as a backward state.
But I like the picture.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
Mr. 5026,
what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room thread is now dumber for having listened to read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
If you are famous in America you get a different set of rules to play by.
You can find countless examples to refute that nonsense (Plaxico Burress and Roman Pilanski immediately spring to mind).
And lastly,
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
"This is not the end. This is the beginning." - The Great and Powerful Saban
by Thomas Walker Esq on Feb 22, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Polanski? Seriously? I would hardly
call being under house arrest in Switzerland when you raped at 13 year old equal justice. The mere fact that he was able to leave the US and evade prosecution for decades proves my point. And, even today he is still getting awards and junk. You have to come up with a better exampe than that!! Why not try Bill Clinton, or for that matter George Bush.
Sure you can find examples, i’ll give you Plaxico, but there are way too many examples of where rich, famous, powerful people do get a special kind of treatment and a special justice.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
Polanski, if you actually take the time to learn more than what the media includes in their reports, is a great example of Esq’s point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski#Sexual_assault_case
To summarize: the victim’s attorney proposed the plea agreement that Polanski agreed to. The judge didn’t think he was being punished enough, so he was on the verge of being sentenced to more when he fled the jurisdiction of the united states.
He’s still fighting his extradition, but exactly a month ago, the Calif. Supreme Court ruled that he had to come back for sentencing.
So, yeah, the fact that you think the Polanski case proves your point demonstrates a high level of ignorance on the issue.
The united states cannot do anything about him “evading prosecution” because extradition requires the cooperation of the country where he’s being held, and he has due process there before he gets shipped here.
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Tanks Pete,
you beat me to it. His case does prove my point, sorry ,50, that we don’t own France
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
"This is not the end. This is the beginning." - The Great and Powerful Saban
by Thomas Walker Esq on Feb 22, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Ok the judge
basically told Polanski’s attorney your client is going to jail so he skips the country. If the judge doesn’t tip his hand the dude goes to jail. And, why did the judge not have his passport etc. if he were awaiting trial? I mean he was a French citizen. Was he not likely to run?
Either we are talking about a very stupid judge and a stupid DA, or we are talking special treatment for a celebrity. You can think what you wish. To me the whole thing seems like special treatment but maybe being able to evade the law by fleeing to another country is a standard practice that everyone does. If so, you wonder how we ever jail any drug dealers. They sure have the money to run.
Time will tell about USC, I just don’t think anything major will happen because of who they are. If I am proved wrong, I’ll admit it.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
maybe being able to evade the law by fleeing
you’re right, standard practice. Why do you think bounty hunters exist? Thanks for proving my point once agian
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
"This is not the end. This is the beginning." - The Great and Powerful Saban
by Thomas Walker Esq on Feb 22, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
What?
The Unabomber was able to avoid going to court/jail before his brother finally turned him in. Does that mean our justice system is soft on people who live in the woods?
by billycthulhu on Feb 22, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
"This is not the end. This is the beginning." - The Great and Powerful Saban
by Thomas Walker Esq on Feb 23, 2010 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
Warning: lawyer language
The Times is incorrect about one thing. The standard is “known or should have known.” In other words, a program just can’t bury its head in the sand and claim ignorance.
If you rank penalties in this order:
1) Vacate Wins
2) Scholarship Losses
3) No post-season
4) No television
5) Death penalty
I think we’ll definitely see 1 happen. It’s very likely well see 2. There is no chance we’ll see 4 or 5. 3 is the big question for football. Since USC already self-imposed it for hoops, if “lack of institutional control” is proven, there is a better chance of it for football too.
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Yes, and...
I’m not sure where that paragraph is sourced to, but the improper benefits infractions have nothing to do with what the University knew. To get on the lawyer-talk train, they’re strict liability offenses.
Now, because the punishments are, by and large, left to the COI’s discretion, it’s possible that they would enhance the sanctions if USC knew (or should have known) what was going on, but there’s no reason they’d have to. They could do what they did to Alabama in 2002 and say something like “No, there was nothing you could do, and you had no idea it was going on, but we’re going to stomp on you anyway”.
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They won't do to USC what they did
to Bama because (1) they were trying to make an example fo Alabama, (2) they don’t like Alabama from back in the Bryant years.
USC loses 3 scholarships and a wrist slap but I would not look for them to vacate any wins. No way they are out of the bowls, no way.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
If USC gets hammered will you finally shut up with this “NCAA HATEZ ALABMMERS LOL” nonsense?
It’s not backed up by anything even resembling logic, reason, or evidence.
I'm wrong all the time.
yes...let's wait and see
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
Prediction
No matter what the sanctions are, you decide they’re not enough and then use them to validate your ridiculous, paranoid world-view.
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