Corey Lemonier Loves Guns and Corvettes
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 7, 2010 1:37 PM CST
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Remember Corey Lemonier, the five-star defensive end Auburn nabbed out of Hialeah, Florida last Wednesday? Well, as per the pictures he has posted on his Facebook page, he apparently loves guns and Corvettes.
The Corvette picture, by the way, had the caption of "my first car." I think it goes without saying that this guy obviously isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but then again this is the guy who just announced that he was signing with, and I am quoting directly here, "The University of Auburn."
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He should consider a gun safety class also
He is violating the 3rd rule of gun safety in every photo. “Keep you finger off of the trigger until you are ready to discharge your weapon.” I do not believe I would care to be around this young man and guns. A recipe for disaster.
by IM4UAinVa on Feb 7, 2010 1:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well you know what this means...
The same thing it means EVERY time a recruit drives a nice car: boosters, NCAA rules violations, probation, death penalty!!!
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
by TopDaddy on Feb 7, 2010 2:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Only a sign of cheating if he’s driving an Escalade or Dodge Charger.
by Paranormal on Feb 7, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't see too many
OGs sporting a vette and a percussion cap dueling pistol.
by tc16cav on Feb 7, 2010 2:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ive never seen so many
discussions about Auburn Recruits on the Bama Site before. You all getting worried?
AUBURN is back!
by auskip07 on Feb 7, 2010 2:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The dueling pistol is a spot of bother, so there is some worry.
If discussion of rivals’ recruits is a sign of worry, then what does that say about Auburn over the past three years?
Did you accuse your Auburn blogging brethren of masking worry by making up the latest Gadsden rumors?
by Paranormal on Feb 7, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where else is there anything about an Auburn recruit on this site?
January 7th, 2010: the day I went from being a delusional obnoxious Alabama fan to being an obnoxious Alabama fan
by Wallacewade04 on Feb 7, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Spencer Region?
Que? what was that?
AUBURN is back!
by auskip07 on Feb 7, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We discussed...
… Spencer Region relative to him being a prospect at Alabama and trying to understand why he made a last minute change of heart. We discussed him relative to Alabama, not because he went to Auburn.
Again, I’ll suggest you take the advice that I posted later in this thread.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 7, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wax my car?
Is that the best you got? LOL
AUBURN is back!
by auskip07 on Feb 7, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope...
We’ve also got a NC? Seen one of those since, IDK, you’ve been alive?
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Feb 7, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats your example?
you suck at this
January 7th, 2010: the day I went from being a delusional obnoxious Alabama fan to being an obnoxious Alabama fan
by Wallacewade04 on Feb 7, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Worried?
You mean like an Auburn fan surfing an Alabama blog?
That being said, I don’t see what this kid’s love of guns and cars has to do with his intelligence or his ability to play the game. I like guns, I’m in the military. Give the red-blooded American kid a break. He is obviously talented or we would not care. Aight?
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 7, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
not really sure what the photos have anything to do with anything, unless the guns are illegal and/or the car was stolen or was some sort of illegal gift, but there doesn’t appear to be any evidence that this is the case
most people in the south have probably fired a gun before and what teenage male doesn’t like nice cars?
that said, the Auburn guy is clearly worried about something or he wouldn’t be here
by Bama07 on Feb 7, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh...
… the guns don’t really matter to me. It’s obviously not too bright to be posing with a bunch of guns, but there’s nothing necessarily wrong with it either. And, of course, there is nothing wrong with a love of cars.
Now, when a five-star recruit shows up driving a brand new convertible Corvette two days after National Signing Day, well, that’s another story…
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 7, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so
all recruits should give up all their possessions as they sign an LOI?
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 7, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If...
If those possessions include a brand new Corvette convertible that you apparently landed right after NSD, after signing with a school whose name you apparently did not know, then I would say probably so.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 7, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know he landed
it after signing day?
I guess if i had gotten a full scholarship to a school i would have gotten a new car also
AUBURN is back!
by auskip07 on Feb 7, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
… a picture shows up two days after NSD, with someone touting their “new” car. Why wouldn’t you rationally think he got it right around NSD?
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 7, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
love you man but
you are reaching on this one. i remember when wesley britt showed up on campus driving a nice big new ford truck. ppl said all sorts of things. i know his family. they own an excavation company. they can afford to buy their son a nice truck and did. they were proud of him. what is wrong with that?
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 7, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
… by the time I got to campus in Fall 2002, Britt was driving a big, black Silverado 2500 HD with a customized ’Bama tag. I forget what it said, but it was something obvious as hell… like LT 71 or something like that. It was the same truck Brodie Croyle and a few others were driving.
And, actually, I didn’t like it a damn bit to be precise. I know that in Britt’s case his family was in pretty good financial shape so there was likely nothing shady going on behind the scenes, but even so… he signed in the same class that brought us Albert Means, and once again nothing good can ever come from having your star players driving around in 40,000+ vehicles. I can honestly say I cringed every damn time I saw it. And the same goes for when before the 2003 UGA game CBS did that piece showing the big house that Britt, Mathis, and Smiley lived in.
Again, it has nothing to do with there necessarily being any illegal action taken by anyone. That’s not the point. The point is that it frankly does no good and it puts your program in a situation that can bring all of the negative attention that you do not want.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 7, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yes
it was some sort of GM truck. the whole family goes for chevys.
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 7, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep..
… it was a Chevrolet if I remember correctly. It could have been a GMC — no real difference, honestly — but I want to say it was a Chevy. Both Brodie and Britt had one, and a few others guys did, though I’m at a blank for recalling specific names right now.
I do remember seeing Spencer Pennington driving around in a ‘98-ish Z-71(1500 model) and thinking to myself… "Hahaha, that’s the difference between the starter and the back-up."
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 7, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Hialeah is where i bought my car from…. right outside of miami its “sports car central” Almost everyone has a sports car there so it wouldnt surprise me if a friend let him drive it or take a picture in it
AUBURN is back!
by auskip07 on Feb 7, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Love the sig BTW
Back to where you rightfully belong…Trolling, at 7-5.
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Feb 7, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is that
an accusation? is that the case?
i am a bama fan but i cant stand it when we are accused of cheating instead of hard work. would rather take the high road.
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 7, 2010 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well i dont like to be called a cheater also
But if this is the case then the truth will come out. Hope not but hey who knows
AUBURN is back!
by auskip07 on Feb 7, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who said it was an accusation?
You’re implying a lot that I’ve never said, or even implied. I have never once stated or even implied throughout this thread that Lemonier was outright bought by anyone associated with Auburn, or that he was given any illegal inducement whatsoever to sign with Auburn. I’ll leave that for the Operation Red Dog folks running around talking about Dodge Chargers and black helicopters.
In fact, I’ll explicitly state right now that the reason that Lemonier ended up at Auburn was because of early playing time and likely nothing else. He has talked for months and months about how he was analyzing depth charts and how that was his most important consideration in choosing a school. That’s why he signed with Auburn, because odds are he starts next year in the Iron Bowl.
My point all along was that it is simply not very bright to be out publicizing yourself in this manner. Nothing good can come of it — except for a young kid to show out and try to impress some people, which isn’t any true “good” in my book — and it brings a hell of a lot the wrong kind of attention to your program. Bottom line, nothing good can ever result from your top-flight recruit showing off his brand new ‘Vette days after Signing Day. I’m not implying wrongdoing, that’s not the point of the matter.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 7, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He wasnt promised early
Playing time. He was told he would have to Battle for the position like everyone else. FSU said he would play immediately Check out Matt Murphy notes on Trackemtigers
AUBURN is back!
by auskip07 on Feb 7, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Read that again...
… when did I ever say that he was promised early playing time? Again, you’re reading a lot of things I am not writing. You might be wanting to think that I am saying a lot of these things, but if you will read closely you’ll see that I’m not.
I know Lemonier wasn’t promised early playing time. I do, however, realize that early playing time is definitely there for the taking, and that if Lemonier is near as good as advertised and can stay healthy, he’ll be a starter by late 2010.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 7, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
copy and paste of your own words
If those possessions include a brand new Corvette convertible that you apparently landed right before NSD, after signing with a school whose name you apparently did not know, then I would say probably so.
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 7, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im moving on
whatever you say next you will later deny saying. cant debate with a guy like that.
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 7, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
btw
Roll Tide
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 7, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Roll Tide
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 7, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Once again...
… my statement was as follows…
If those possessions include a brand new Corvette convertible that you apparently landed right before NSD, after signing with a school whose name you apparently did not know, then I would say probably so.
Now, find for me anywhere in that statement where I said that Auburn gave the guy anything. My point was that, given the considerations that I mentioned in that quote, it is not a good idea for a kid to be publicizing his new prize possession. Again, there was never anything explicit or implicit in there about paying the kid. You guys are seeing a lot of things that simply aren’t there.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 7, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok i'll play
using the same m.o.
I never said you were accusing anyone of anything. I only asked if you were making an accusation.
See how stupid that sounds? We both know the nature of your comments there.
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 7, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
posing
man i have tons of pics of me with all sorts of guns. now i am learning that i’m “not bright”. eventhough i am resposible for $38m worth of govt equipment.
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 7, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First of all...
I don’t really get “posing” with guns. I understand there are many arguments for & against guns but I’ve never known them to include an argument for guns as accessories.
Nonetheless, I think we can all agree that there is a huge difference between a member of the US military dealing with guns and a high school kid slinging them around like he’s John Wayne. I don’t think you can reasonably take calling an action of a kid still in high school “not bright” and equate it to any other person doing the same. That would be like saying that just because a 13 year old being pregnant “isn’t bright” means that any other pregnant woman isn’t bright when that’s clearly not how it works.
by Not A Barner on Feb 7, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
touche'
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 7, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
… you’re a member of the military, handling things that blow up massive amounts of shit is your job. There is no way to compare that to a 17-year old kid looking to impress somebody on Facebook.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 7, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i can see that one
agreed (touche’)
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 7, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
man i have tons of pics of me with all sorts of guns. now i am learning that i’m "not bright". eventhough i am resposible for $38m worth of govt equipment.
basically what we are trying to say is that unless your measurements are 36-24-36 and you look slamming hot in a bikini… keep them off the internet.
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by kleph on Feb 8, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
What do you mean “Auburn is back”? Back to What?
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 7, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Back to What?
Watching Alabama win championships.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Feb 8, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Um, yeah...
… one discussion, totaling a grand total of 88 words. You win. Definitely.
Personally, I would suggest you either go outside and wax that piece of shit car or take your trollin’ ass on back to TET. Logical debate obviously is not your strength.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 7, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
AUBURN is back!
A++ Great transaction!! Would laugh again!! Fast shipping!!
by brandonh on Feb 7, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fucking win!
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Feb 7, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! A hahaha...
HAHAHA hahahahaha.. aaahhhahahahahahahaha! O. oooo… oo
Good one.
Idiot
by d12 on Feb 7, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those guns look ok
Could just be an older guns type collector. Looks like he’s in a vault or something too.
Fumbles. It was always Fumbles
by DocFumbles on Feb 7, 2010 2:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Whether they are his guns or not
doesn’t matter. I hope they are…hell everyone should own ‘em.
But this kid (that’s what he is) obvioulsy doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing with his finger on the trigger and pointing them at the camera guy (with his finger on the trigger).
He may be a great football player, but what he’s doing isn’t real bright.
by tc16cav on Feb 7, 2010 3:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
People need to realize we aren’t calling this kid “not bright” just because he happens to have (or borrow, or whatever) guns.
by billycthulhu on Feb 8, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
someone please post a new thread and get this off the top of the front page
"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban
by LittleSis on Feb 7, 2010 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that would be great
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 7, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Background
Family in Hialeah offer me some insight; I’m glad he is not going to BAMA. I prefer he go to “the university of auburn”.
by tx-elephant'58 on Feb 7, 2010 4:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why? When I look at these pics do I think of THIS picture?
Maybe it’s the deftly thrown-up “War Eagle” gangsta sign?
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Feb 7, 2010 4:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So tempted...
…to make that my avatar.
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by Todd on Feb 7, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say do it
but I feel it may break the Streak
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 7, 2010 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude used guns
to get his car. I bet his momma is proud.
Wonder if he will drive that thing to the University of Auburn? Wonder if he can find the University of Auburn.
And the only reason Bama fans are talking so much about Auburn recruits is because it is so stinking funny. And it is going to be even funnier when they go 7-5 and lose to Bama again.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
by 5026 on Feb 7, 2010 7:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
would be funnier if he was a UT commit.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Feb 7, 2010 11:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just curious
You find these yourself, OTS, or are they making the rounds?
by JCCW Jerry on Feb 7, 2010 11:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Making the rounds, but...
I found them making the rounds. They were posted on a Florida State board, and then were posted on a couple of ’Bama boards (I assume they were first seen at the FSU board and posted them on the ’Bama boards).
That said, I don’t know exactly how much they are “making the rounds,” per se. I just saw them on a couple of boards and I don’t really read many boards when I’m not trolling for meltdown material — obvious reasons — so I don’t know if it’s really a highly-publicized deal or what.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 7, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
but for the record: I seriously disagree with this getting posted. There’s zero proof here that Lemonier has done anything wrong or illegal—dumb, sure—making the sole point of this post to
1. embarrass Lemonier and Auburn
2. raise the specter of illegal recruiting activity.
Re: point No. 2, you’ve been careful not to accuse anyone of anything, but let’s be clear: it’s impossible to post the Corvette photo without implying the possibility of it and ever-so-slyly adding fuel to the stupid, stupid fire.
Clearly, Lemonier should have shown better judgment in a hundred different ways. But what does that have to do with Auburn (or Alabama) football? He may not be “the sharpest tool in the shed”—though I’m pretty sure there are some pictures of all of us when we were that age that would earn us the same kind of description—but that doesn’t mean he deserves to have rival fans go dumpster-diving in his Facebook account for some way of smearing egg on his face. I expect certain denizens of the Internet to do so anyway; I don’t expect you guys to support/endorse that kind of activity. Leave the trolling to other blogs.
by JCCW Jerry on Feb 7, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about #1...
Very similar to your “Ha Ha” MS Paint on NSD. That’s what rivals do.
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Feb 8, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lemonier posted these pictures....
…..if there is any embarrassment, then he is the one to blame. He put these pictures on the internet. gee whiz…
by akbrown15 on Feb 8, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we can just shame ONE football recruit...
…into not posting pictures of himself with guns on facebook, it will all have been worth it.
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by Todd on Feb 8, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Um, come again?
You “seriously disagree” about this being posted?
I seem to recall that you explicitly wrote at length last year about the Gadsden / Operation Red Dog rumors. You addressed the topic of cheating explicitly — not merely “raised the specter” of it, as I am apparently guilty of doing. And what was the source of that speculation? The notion that, perhaps, Kevin Scarbinsky dropped a “hint” in one of his columns that a few nutjobs perceived as validating some of the Auburn message board conspiracies. Criticize me if you want, but at least my post had concrete verification of a five-star Auburn recruit — from out-of-state and a non-traditional recruiting area — showing up in a Corvette two days after National Signing Day. If you can openly speculate over some completely unsubstantiated message board rumors, I can at least post these pictures.
I’m going to be quite frank, your response is complete and total bullshit and you know it. And you are right, I was careful not to accuse anyone of anything and that was not by accident. I’m not trying to start any rumors, nor am I trying to imply that Auburn is paying players or anything of the sort. It’s a slow news day and an Auburn recruit makes a further idiot of himself… I post a few pictures and an 80-word description here. Big whoop. And I’m sorry if it “raised the specter,” but quite frankly that is not my fault. I didn’t tell him to go show off a $50,000+ plus vehicle to the public and claim that it was his right after Signing Day, and it’s not my duty to just sit here and completely ignore it either.
Now you might not like that, but that’s just too bad. If you or any other Auburn fan doesn’t want to see this sort of thing floating around, then I suggest that you get some kids smart enough not to post this for the free world to see. He wanted everyone to see it, and now it’s out there for everyone to see… that’s not my fault, nor is it my problem.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 8, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
^ this ^
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
"This is not the end. This is the beginning." - The Great and Powerful Saban
by Thomas Walker Esq on Feb 8, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh ...
Consider the complaint retracted. I don’t think it’s “complete and total bullshit” and I don’t think tracking the mainstream-media critical mass of the Gadsden rumors is remotely similar to embarrassing an innocent kid, for the record. But it’s your blog. Have at it.
by JCCW Jerry on Feb 8, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with all of that too...
If you seriously want to debate the matter then I certainly welcome it. I suspect, however, that you know you don’t have much of a case.
Again, if you want to seriously debate the matter, then I welcome it.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 8, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… no, I suppose I don’t. As I said, it’s your blog: your standards are what apply.
But to clarify why I said anything in the first place: my thoughts are that we can make our jabs at the opposing program without embarrassing a kid who hasn’t done anything wrong (dumb, sure, but not wrong) or making assertions about how “sharp” or not he is. “Auburn = stupid,” “Auburn coaches = stupid,” “Auburn fans/bloggers =stupid,” even “Auburn Player X Who Committed a Crime = stupid” are all fair game (within reason). “Corey Lemonier = stupid,” to me, is something different and something that ought to be left to the al.com comment threads of the world.
But your mileage is free to vary, and I probably should have considered that before responding from the gut.
by JCCW Jerry on Feb 8, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, there's also the converse point as well jerry
if some highly recruited player posts such pictures are we obligated to act like they didn’t?
the days of naively believing photos and information disseminated on a social networking site were somehow not in the public arena are long since over. the suggestion you are making is we need to make a judgement call on the guilt or innocence of a player before posting images that are clearly in circulation. and that’s not realistic at all.
the solution is that there should be a clear policy on the part of the team for players using these services and the coaching staff should be working from day one ensuring all the players are in line with that.
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by kleph on Feb 8, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt
that Lemonier should not have posted the pics. Not having them surface is the easiest “solution.”
But I don’t think I’m asking the world for the most widely-read ‘Bama blog on the ’Net to take the high road and either ignore them entirely or, at the least, wait until someone else has posted them and link there if you have to discuss it. You’re not “obligated” to ignore them, but you’re hardly obligated to post them, either.
For me it comes back to whether these pictures really have anything to do with Auburn or Alabama football. If Lemonier had been accused of a gun-related crime and the pics were creepy foreshadowing, OK. If Lemonier had been declared ineligible for mysterious reasons and the car photo might be an explanation, OK.
But the pics aren’t related to anything like that. They’re just there, serving no concrete purpose other than to portray Lemonier as a violent gun nut, a recruit on the take, an idiot who doesn’t know what he’s doing with his Facebook, or all three. No, not everything has to be on-topic. But it’s my opinion (and policy, if it came to it) that something this potentially damaging to a kid’s reputation had better be.
I know it’s the nature of the Internet to take advantage of situations like this and spread photos like these as far and wide as possible. But inevitable or not, saying “well, what, should we have just ignored them?” feels to me like blaming the college student who leaves his car unlocked instead of the thief who steals his textbooks.
by JCCW Jerry on Feb 8, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well that's kind of the problem with something like this...
i don’t think these pictures are particularly damning or cast any real aspersion toward the kid. but they do exist and they were very much a topic of conversation on other less-reputable websites. letting folks see them and make their own decision about them seems to me the best situation for the kid.
and, hopefully, it establishes as precedent that will keep both he and other players from posting stuff like this. we like to pretend these players are just common ole student athletes but the fact is they are in one of the biggest fishbowls in the business. and they better learn that the perks come with quite a few drawbacks.
i do believe you have a point here the key point i disagree is where you argue that there are situations that might exist where it would be justifiable to run these photos. outside of the photos themselves being the point of controversy (a la the erin andrews screen caps) i don’t think this is a road any blog wants to start going down. the very last thing we want to suggest by posting (or not posting) the images is that we either condone or condemn the person depicted in them.
i will add this though. it has been my experience as a journalist that when a publication goes with something like this and then faces the debate, they make a much more informed decision the next time. sometimes that next time is that they do the same thing. but not always. the tricky part is that every incident is weirdly unique in some odd way.
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by kleph on Feb 8, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Condone or condemn"?
You’ve posted them under the title “Corey Lemonier loves guns and Corvettes,” you say he “obviously isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed” and then mock him for his “University of Auburn” gaffe. How is that NOT condemning him as a dumbass at best and a lowlife thug at worst? How is that “letting folks see them and make their own decision about them”? Clearly OTS has made his decision—Lemonier deserves to have his name dragged through the mud for the crime of being too open with his Facebook account. You may not find them “particularly damning,” but you can’t do a thing about other people’s reactions … other than, you know, not
As for “setting a precedent,” I come back to the same question: why not let someone else set it? Why should RBR take part in the embarrassment and ridiculing of a 17-year-old kid? Lots of other blogs were posting pictures from the Wal-Mart trophy ceremony for laughs—does that mean it would have been OK for me to do that too?
by JCCW Jerry on Feb 8, 2010 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oops
“not forcing them to react in the first place” was what I was going for, but I kind of meant to delete that sentence and got distracted. Oh well.
by JCCW Jerry on Feb 8, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it seems obvious that the pictures are drawing attention, that alone makes them post worthy. just look at the sheer array of sites that are linking to this item bears that out. and, yeah, a lot of the commentariat will make us hope like hell for the survival of the species… but i expect most folks will approach it the way spencer did.
Corey Lemonier should probably think a bit more about the kinds of pictures he puts on Facebook, even if he doesn’t own all those guns and has a legal right to own them.
your argument seems to be that by posting these we are implicitly accusing him of some type of shady behavior. what seems obvious to me that we’re just making fun of him for looking foolish (and nothing in OTS’ comments of the post itself goes any farther than that either).
all that’s pretty much fair game in the blog business and traditional when handling one’s rivals as far as i can tell. if this constitutes “dragging his name through the mud” then then thing have gotten a hell of a lot kinder and gentler in the SEC west of late.
because the fact is a decent part of what we do is mock 17-year-old kids for making mistakes we never had the opportunity to even dream about making. and pretending we aren’t is being naive about blogs.
so would you have been within your rights as a blogger to post pictures of alabama fans at wal mart? of course. do we as alabama fans prefer that you didn’t? certainly. do you win any moral trophies for not running them? hell no. you just don’t have to face accusations of hypocrisy about your own fan base down the road.
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by kleph on Feb 8, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"the pictures are drawing attention, that alone makes them post worthy"?!?
Remind me to take some peephole shots of some Tide cheerleaders next time I’m in Alabama. Whatever brings in the traffic, right?
You’re right that mocking 17-year-olds seems to be a big part of blogdom, and when it comes to on-the-field missteps, hey, fine, that’s what they signed up for. But if you ask me, Facebook screw-ups are something else. We’d want our privacy respected if we (or our hypothetical kids) were in their shoes; why not show that respect to them? Because there’s hits to be had players to be called idiots, of course. And if Lemonier ends up working on some Great Books group project two years down the road with a couple of kids who’re convinced he’s a closeted gun freak, what do you care? You got linked at EDSBS, baby.
I’m not asking for any moral trophies, kleph; I’m just pointing out that the “everybody else is doing it” defense doesn’t hold water. You either see a kid like Lemonier as fair game for your amusement or you don’t; you guys clearly do, for reasons you’ve explained, and I clearly don’t, for reasons I think I’ve explained. Like I said: your blog, your standards, post away. I know virtually every blogger out there would have done the same (as Spencer unfortunately proved). But don’t begrudge my wishing on Lemonier’s behalf those standards were different regardless.
by JCCW Jerry on Feb 8, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll all just have to agree to disagree here....
My two cents: On the one hand, kinda wish OTS hadn’t posted it. He’s a high school kid and deserves some privacy, and he’s not doing anything blatantly wrong in the pictures other than showing poor judgement in posting them to his Facebook. On the other hand, he’s a five star recruit that ought to know better than to put pictures of himself with guns and a new car online and by doing so opened himself up to the full on treatment.
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by Todd on Feb 8, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
to disagree, I mean. I think I’ve said all I have to say. I better have, anyway; as deliciously tempting as brandonh’s two-page memo challenge is, I think I’m in danger of wandering into T. Kyle levels of comment combativeness. (And oh God, now I’m alliterating. I’ll stop here.)
by JCCW Jerry on Feb 8, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like both OTS and Jerry to prepare memos regarding the issues of whether these photos are newsworthy and whether they are embarrassing in nature. Two page maximum.
Memos are due by Wednesday at noon. A five member panel will be assembled to hand down a decision on the matter.
Preference will be given to the writer who authors this blog and thereby possesses all deference to post whatever the hell he feels like. Preference will not be given to the writer who replies to posts concerning his college team with blind emotion and hypocrisy.
In other words, OTS wins – don’t write a memo. Judgment affirmed. Remanded to the archive to rest forever.
by brandonh on Feb 8, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Overcompensating???
My wife says most likely he’s overcompensating for some short comings.
by Boogieman1985 on Feb 8, 2010 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lemonier is good...
….but is he “corvette” good? Maybe a Honda Accord or something… but not a corvette…. jk.
by akbrown15 on Feb 8, 2010 12:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
at least it's not a prius
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by Thomas Walker Esq on Feb 8, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I
gotta say, if Auburn boosters are out there throwing around Vettes and we’re still dealing in Chargers then Houston, we have a problem.
I hear Porsche just released a new 911 called the Turbo S. 0-60 in 3.3 seconds. Seriously guys, we can do this if we all dig deep. How much do you love your school?
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by Bens4vcobra on Feb 8, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chargers and ESCALADES...
….don’t forget the five star guys roll ‘slades, so if you don’t want a Charger better get to practicing.
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by Todd on Feb 8, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This what Jimbo Fisher had to say about Lemonier...
Lemonier, the player who called ealier that morning, signed with Auburn.
“That was one confused boy,” Fisher said. “His computer has locked up.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=4887114
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Feb 8, 2010 1:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hate to break it to you
…but the guns pic was taken as they were touring an Army ammo locker as part of their US Army All-American Game festivities. And the Corvette was at an event put on by Stewart Hass Racing that owns the US Army sponsored NASCAR ride. SHR and Chevy had an event during the week of festivities and proceeds were donated to injured soldiers.
by TitanTiger on Feb 8, 2010 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if that's the case, it truly is a non-story
but it’s hard to take your “facts” as credible when you joined sbnation today just to post that. And not that I blame you, but joining Track ‘em Tigers first woulda helped you out, but I wouldn’t want my name associated with that shitdump either
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by Thomas Walker Esq on Feb 8, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and pointing two guns at your cameraman
with your fingers on the triggers violates so many Army rules (shit, common sense) that there’s no way he would be allowed to do that in an Army ammo locker. But hell, I’ve seen weirder when it comes to the gov’t
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by Thomas Walker Esq on Feb 8, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Titan Tiger, I gotta call bull shit on that one
I’ve been in the Army 17 years and we don’t have percussion cap istols, or snub nosed revolvers. Also if you look closely at the pics, Kim Il Sung appears to be hanging on the wall of what is clearly a home in the picture where he’s holding the two revolvers. His clothes also change.
by tc16cav on Feb 8, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh my god
auburn is signing COMMUNISTS!
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by kleph on Feb 8, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon now Commies
don’t drive Corvettes.
by tc16cav on Feb 8, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's part of his cover
just like that episode of miami vice.
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by kleph on Feb 8, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he's much
more clever than we thought?
Diabolical bastard.
by tc16cav on Feb 8, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just because I joined today...
…doesn’t mean I haven’t been around elsewhere. I’m an admin at AUNation.net and participate in several rival forums such as TigerForums, Hogville, RollBamaRoll and so on. I don’t just peddle made up nonsense.
Not to mention, I seriously doubt any kid (much less one who has his academics in order like Corey) is stupid enough to post pics of a Corvette given to him by someone from the school he signed with less than a week ago. None of this passes the common sense test, even if we are talking about 17-18 year olds.
by TitanTiger on Feb 8, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry...
That would be RollTideBama.com
by TitanTiger on Feb 8, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right...
… again I’m not implying any wrongdoing and I imagine there is a relatively simple explanation to the car picture.
With that said, however, unless you can post some definite information to the contrary, I don’t think that particular story holds water. I can find no information whatsoever about Stewart Haas doing a promotional event with the US Army All-American Game — it’s not even on the event schedule, nor did they do a press release concerning it. Also, Lemonier did not even play in that game, he played in the Under Armour game in Orlando. To the best of my knowledge, he didn’t even go to San Antonio.
Again, I imagine there is an innocent explanation for the whole thing, but even so I don’t that particular story you posted explains it, unless you’ve got some more information to corroborate it.
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by outsidethesidelines on Feb 8, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
go OTS go!
gettin’ all CSI and all..
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by LittleSis on Feb 8, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy it
none, i repeat, none of those guns would be found in an army arms room. i’ve been around quite a few.
That white stuff on the top of chicken crap is.....chicken crap.
by thrashcan on Feb 8, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree.
These are not Army guns and to say that they are is just stupid.
As far as the car “Titan” could be right, but I’d bet that the kid shows up at Auburn University in this car.
And the fact he supposedly has good grades means very little in the common sense department— see John Edwards.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
by 5026 on Feb 8, 2010 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see this picture of Kennan Allen. OMG!!!
Beat the barn.check.Sec Champs. check. Make Tebow cry. check.Heisman Trophy.check. Beat Texas.check. #13.check.
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by Bham03UAgrad on Feb 8, 2010 4:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
not really kennan allen.
Beat the barn.check.Sec Champs. check. Make Tebow cry. check.Heisman Trophy.check. Beat Texas.check. #13.check.
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by Bham03UAgrad on Feb 8, 2010 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen it floating around
before. It is of a Cal player and the original caption was something like “worst press guide photo ever”
by tc16cav on Feb 8, 2010 4:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Flintlock pistols and a Saturn Sky.
Gonna drive my Saturn to the Civil War reenactment guys.
Auburn players are nerdssss
by stevia on Feb 20, 2010 6:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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