What ya think?
by bammer on Apr 8, 2010 6:37 PM CDT
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PrintWithout knowing the team...conference or previous years win/loss record...Would you say that if a team playing the following schedule went undefeated during the regular season...should they play in the BCS National Title game?
Wyoming
Oregon State
New Mexico State
Toledo
San Jose State
Louisiana Tech
Virginia Tech
Hawaii
Idaho
Fresno State
Utah State
Nevada
I would guess most peoples vote would be no...IMO No team playing that weak schedule should get a shot at anything other than a mediocre bowl game...but thats just me. Ill let you guys decide.
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Is it cheating if I could already tell it was Boise St. before the jump?
Also, the poll is after the jump…
yeah..found that out after...
but my formating at work is all screwed up lately…not sure if its our server or SB..
Lane Kiffin took the meaning of "Volunteer" WAY too seriously....
I voted no...
but it would depend on what happens with other teams… Oregon St. and VTech are really the only quality teams on their schedule it seems. But I might put a 12-0 BSU squad over an 11-1 AQ team… again, depends on how the season turns out.
Personally, though, I hope they lose to VTech at the beginning of the year so we don’t have to hear any more about it.
agreed
if they win out, and there’s only 1 or 0 other teams who are undefeated, then they should be in the conversation for sure. should they get in over an undefeated SEC or Big 12 team? absolutely not. any other undefeated teams from any other conferences? they deserve consideration for that other spot…
for the next five days there is nothing in my heart but hate. pure, untempered, ice-cold hate. fond memories are for saturday. - Kleph
it's boise state
and the answer is: maybe. depends on who else is undefeated.
for the next five days there is nothing in my heart but hate. pure, untempered, ice-cold hate. fond memories are for saturday. - Kleph
depends on who else is undefeated...
…and how Boise stayed undefeated. If they struggle a lot like Hawaii did a few years ago, then no. If they blow the doors off of everyone, then yes.
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there are so many damn variables that it's not worth trying to hash out IMO
the way i see it (and i DO consider myself somewhat of a BSU fan, they remind me of Bama in the 1910’s and 20’s) no one should get their hopes up or even worry about it unless/until they beat Va Tech. they do that, then it’s time to start thinking seriously about it.
which also reminds me of something, did they move the VT game up to labor day weekend? if so, while the national TV exposure will be good, it could actually wind up hurting them as what could be their only high quality win will have been 13 weeks ago whent he final BCS standings get compiled, harris voters are simply retarded and coaches are more inclinded to remember who just wont he big 12 title game for example, than who won in week 1 vs a VT team that may have not made the ACC title game.
so yeah, they need to win out, they need VT to make the ACC title game, and they need for none of the other AQ conferences to produce an undefeated team. (no matter what the record, Bama is winning the SEC and will be in Glendale on January 7th) if all those things fall into place, then they’ll likely have a shot….
for the next five days there is nothing in my heart but hate. pure, untempered, ice-cold hate. fond memories are for saturday. - Kleph
6 of those teams played in Bowl games last year by the way
VT crushed tennessee, Idaho beat Wyoming ina bowl if i’m not mistaken, Nevada got crushed by someone (air force? houston?) i think, and oregon stats played soem losers int he alamo bowl i think… not going to look it up. the point is, this schedule isn’t that bad. i’m sure syracuse and rutgers play equvelently poor schedules.
for the next five days there is nothing in my heart but hate. pure, untempered, ice-cold hate. fond memories are for saturday. - Kleph
Bammer...damn...
What’s up with the hatin’ on Boise?
As Tempe states, 6 of those teams went to bowl games. We set a record playing 10. And, unlike BSU, we play in THE premier conference, which would generate 5-7 bowl teams per scheduling cycle…they have a much shittier deck from which to draw, but they still took care of their business.
So, don’t worry. Va. Tech will squash them (prolly roll up 300 yards rushing next Sept) and this off-season chatter will be null…doubly null if the favorites (Bama, Buckeyes, etc) run the table.
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 8, 2010 9:47 PM CDT reply actions
…last time Boise St. was thought to lose, they pulled every trick in the book to beat OU.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Apr 8, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
last time Boise ST. was thought to lose, they beat OU
These were the important parts I pulled out of your comment
and once again...
Boise has 6 months to prepare for their toughest test of the season…have boise play OSU and Va Tech back to back and then come talk to me….
Lane Kiffin took the meaning of "Volunteer" WAY too seriously....
I don't understand this.
Many college football fans seem to feel this way about Boise State. Maybe Ohio State doesn’t want to play Boise State? Boise State seems to be doing the best they can right now as a mid major in a system biased against mid majors and in a world of scheduling that values money over quality competition.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 9, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, misread your comment regarding OSU.
But I don’t retract the rest of it.
"You people bring matches for Mikey?"
by ReadingRambler on Apr 9, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Oregon st. not Ohio st..
My biggest problem with Boise is how they act like thier schedule should be respected…and I don’t believe for one moment they are doing “the best they can” to schedule games..by loading up their so called tough games early, it gives them months to prepare and leaves the entire season to coast through their schedule..
Love the system hate the system…it doesn’t really matter cause it IS the system we have. Boise played TWO ranked teams all year. One at the very beginning of the year and one at the end…how exactly have their earned a preseason #5 ranking? IMO they havent.
But until they start scheduling tougher games LATE in the season somewhat close together…I just can see putting them up their with teams that play 4-6 ranked teams per year.
Lane Kiffin took the meaning of "Volunteer" WAY too seriously....
BSU is certainly trying beef up their OOC schedule
the problem is, big name OOC teams have zero incentive to play them. BSU was supposedly in talks with Nebraska and close to a deal, but the rumor i heard was BSU backed out. the deal in question that Nebraska wound up agreeing in kind to? a 3 game series, 1 in Lincoln, 1 in Boise, and 1 more in Lincoln….
now i dont know if this is true or not as my only source is a Nebraska fan i work with and his blog buddies. but if that is the case, then i think BSU screwed up. yes i recognize “it’s not fair” to them, but no one said life was going to be fair for a WAC team trying to play in BCS games. IMO if they really did get that offer from Nebraska then they should have accepted it. Oregon and Oregon St are only going to get beat on the blue turf so many times before they stop coming.
as for will they deserve a shot at the title? based on their BCS bowl game record (2-0), and record over the last 10 years (112 – 17) and 2 years (26 – 1) they sound like contenders. then give them an undefeated season which features a hypothetical win over hypothetical ACC Champion VT and only them and Bama re undefeated? they would deserve to get in. and they probably will if all that happens… if Nebraska or OU is undefeated? or Ohio State? then BSU probably winds up a bridesmaid yet again, and plays in the Fiesta Bowl yet again.
for the next five days there is nothing in my heart but hate. pure, untempered, ice-cold hate. fond memories are for saturday. - Kleph
by tempebamafan on Apr 10, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed, 100%
The system sucks and the midmajors are doing the best they can. Problem, of course, is that we can’t just hand teams who haven’t played anyone (even if it wasn’t their choice) one of the two title game slots, so the non-AQ conference schools are just going to keep getting screwed until we get rid of this stupid system.
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i understand your hatred for the BCS...
on many points its founded but its what we have. Didnt Boise and all the other Mid Major conferences just sign a deal to stay as non AQ’s this offseason? (im asking cause im not really sure). And didn’t those conferences sign the original agreement back when the BCS started? (that one i know they did). If so, how can they now bitch and complain about the very thing they agreed too?
Lane Kiffin took the meaning of "Volunteer" WAY too seriously....
Just because it was their best option at the time doesn’t mean it’s fair.
It’s like holding a gun to someone’s head to make them sign a contract and then acting all aghast when they don’t like it.
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Apr 11, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
"bowl" teams mean nothing these days...
if you go 6-6 you make it to a bowl..
Hate it or love it college football is all about WHO you play…when your only “tough” games are early in the season against two rebuilding teams….and the rest is against a slew of cupcakes…going “undefeated” means nothing…
Lane Kiffin took the meaning of "Volunteer" WAY too seriously....
they're the winningest program over the last 10 years.
more wins than every other school. that does say something. if we wind up with a cloudy national title picture like in 07 or 03 and BSU is undefeated, then IMO they deserve to be in. they’ve paid their dues.
it’s all a moot point though as i expect Ryan Williams, the guy who hurt his knee, and Tyrod Taylor will run all over them…. bu tthen again, every tiem BSU gets counted out, they smack a mo-fo right in the mouth (i was going to U of L when they meet the Cards in the Humanitarian bowl in 04’…. the Cards were one play away from being undefeated themselves, we were sure we’d destroy BSU…. what resulted was one of the best games i’ve ever seen)
BSU (11-1) 10 21 3 6 Final: 40
LOU (11-1) 14 7 14 9 Final: 44
for the next five days there is nothing in my heart but hate. pure, untempered, ice-cold hate. fond memories are for saturday. - Kleph
I didn't vote...
…‘cause I didn’t see an option labeled “Prolly”….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Apr 8, 2010 9:54 PM CDT reply actions
Anyone who thinks this question can be definitively answered on the scant information provided in the hypothetical doesn’t really understand how college football works.
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by PeteHoliday on Apr 9, 2010 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
you know pete....
every once in a while…i mean..just once in a blue moon..you can actually have some fun…..obviously this doesn’t matter and none of our opinions are going to change voters come the end of the year…its the off season…there isn’t much to talk about…oblige me…
The theory is that if Boise goes undefeated this year they will play in the NCG..From the looks of their schedule..i feel that is rediculous. Of course that would mean they would have to jump other teams to get there…but again…its fun to live in the world of hypotheticals..
Lane Kiffin took the meaning of "Volunteer" WAY too seriously....
I have fun all the time (having about as much fun as can be had at work right now, actually), and I love hypotheticals (I went to law school for chrissakes, that’s like getting a masters in hypotheticals), but the fact of the matter is that there is just no earthly way to answer this question with any answer other than “????”. You gave us a schedule and the record of one team. What if Boise beats them all by 50 and the only loss those teams have is TO Boise? Much different situation than if they’re all hovering around .500 (or worse) and Boise wins by a combined total of 15 points.
The question just can’t be answered.
I know, the answer you wanted “NO WAI! BOYZEE SUX!!”, but it is easy to construct scenarios in which an undefeated boise team earns their way in, and easy to construct scenarios in which they don’t. The meme that’s going around isn’t “If boise goes undefeated, they are in the BCS title game!” it’s “If Boise goes undefeated, they COULD be in the title game”, which is distinct from past years in which they really couldn’t, no matter how many games they won.
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hit the nail on the head
"If boise goes undefeated, they are in the BCS title game!" it’s "If Boise goes undefeated, they COULD be in the title game", which is distinct from past years in which they really couldn’t, no matter how many games they won.
i dont think any rational football commenttators are arguing for th eblanket assertion that, if they go 12-0, no matter what they are in…. they’re saying; hey BSU has earned a pre-season top 5 spot. they have 21 starters returning on a team that has won 25 games in the last 2 years, and if they go undefeated and beat potential ACC champion VT, they’ll deserve and most likely receive, a spot in the title game
for the next five days there is nothing in my heart but hate. pure, untempered, ice-cold hate. fond memories are for saturday. - Kleph
Probably a moot point
since I expect Va. Tech to gut-stomp them in D.C., but the below is dead-on
\hey BSU has earned a pre-season top 5 spot. they have 21 starters returning on a team that has won 25 games in the last 2 years, and if they go undefeated and beat potential ACC champion VT, they’ll deserve and most likely receive, a spot in the title game
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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 9, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly
so they finally made their case, they’re going to get their shot, and they’ll probably get crushed by VT.
for the next five days there is nothing in my heart but hate. pure, untempered, ice-cold hate. fond memories are for saturday. - Kleph
Bammer, if it means anything
…..I agree with you. Its easy to play one or two tough games a year…than to have a tough schedule week in and week out. It’s the totality of the season that takes its toll on teams. Many SEC coaches have stated this… Put the top 5 SEC teams in Boise’s schedule and they would most likely go undefeated as well…
I’m not sure if there’s a conference in the country with five teams capable of such. That includes the SEC unless UGA and UT make some serious strides.
And thinking ahead a little, even if Boise State were to join the MWC, they would then have quality games against Utah, BYU, and TCU. Add in Oregon State and Virginia Tech and they would have a decent schedule. But would people give them any more respect? I still have my doubts after the Fiesta Bowl.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 9, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't disagree...
…with your first statement…but UT is not one of the top five teams in the SEC.
And why ‘after the Fiesta Bowl’?
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Apr 9, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
…with your first statement…but UT is not one of the top five teams in the SEC.
But I think that’s kind of the point. UT and UGA have traditionally been some of the better teams in the SEC, and they’re going to be pretty down this year (especially UT… UGA should actually be better than last year I would think). I think the SEC is kind of a 2-3 team league as far as excellence right now. It’s cyclical though.
by billycthulhu on Apr 11, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
That's not the point...
…you made in your last post. Again, I’m not saying the top five teams in the SEC would definitely go undefeated through BSU’s schedule. I’m just saying there are at least four teams in the SECW and three in the SECE that will be better than UT this year. I’m just saying don’t include what looks to be one of our worst teams if you want to make your point.
And I still don’t get your Fiesta Bowl comment.
And I think the SEC is a one-team league as far as excellence. Peace.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Apr 11, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
If I may dare speak for RR, I believe he’s mentioning how Boise State just did enough to beat TCU this year, and not blowing the doors off to impress. If they play another game vs. OU and beat them by a touchdown we’re impressed. Against a good defensive team with little offense, they just sputtered.
Now I could be wrong on what RR was meaning.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Apr 11, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Missing the point
Until you know what Boise is being compared to, you have no idea if they are one of the top two teams in the country. Maybe their conference ends up being really good this year … maybe the others are down … the only data presented is a list of teams beaten. Not what those teams’ records are, who they play, or anything else like that.
There’s simply not enough data here to answer the question.
I'm wrong all the time.
I guess the assumption is that those WAC teams will be similar to how they've been recently
Though I agree with your major point. A record with the teams beaten for a single team isn’t enough information to make that decision. I mean, if Boise’s the only undefeated team in the country at that point, they’re undoubtedly in. It could go a lot of different ways.
by billycthulhu on Apr 11, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
SEC rules!
Who cares? The only issue, is whether the SEC champion goes to the national chanpionship game. The risk is that a one or two loss SEC champion gets bypassed because there are a couple of teams out there with no losses that played cupcake schedules. BCS just needs to designate one automatic slot in the champ game to the SEC champion, then everyone else can agrue about who gets a big payday to be the annual sacrifice to SEC superiority. :-)
one might interpret your comment as being tounge in check or at least just a tad bit facetous
but i sincerely and whole heartedly concur with the above remarks. the SEC champion really should get an automatic birth into the BCS game. it seems like the crock of shit that happened in 04 is not likely to happen again, as the national sports media seems to have finally come to terms with the reality of the last 20 years, the SEC is the nonpareil football conference in the country. that said, it’d be nice to have it formally written into the BCS bylaws that the SEC champ gets the #1 seed, instead of having to rely on the current whims of the sports media which does give the SEC the spot, albeit on a de facto basis.
for the next five days there is nothing in my heart but hate. pure, untempered, ice-cold hate. fond memories are for saturday. - Kleph
Last 20 years?
If Coach Bryant could have coached/lived as long as Paterno, we’d be talking about the last 35-40 years.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Apr 9, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I say until Boise State plays on a normal and fair playing field with their home opponents
they should be banned from any and all post season play. No-one can convience me that damn Blue Field wasn’t built with the idea of establishing an unfair advantage over opponents playing Boise at home. Hell I can’t even watch them play on my TV without getting dizzy and if I don’t turn the channel a headache is a given. So I know opposition has problems with it. Just look at all the studies that our scientist have done with color and the effects it has on the human emotion and preformance. Screw Boise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMO
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The turf is problematic...
Especially in a game where 100ths of a second matter a great deal. The installation of the turf, disrupting opponents reads, and the like, is mickey mouse horseshit.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 9, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Kinda like painting your visitors locker room pink. Ya, I’m calling out Hawkeye fan.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Apr 9, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the pink locker room is sophomoric
and doesn’t really factor into the game (despite what Haden Fry’s 1912 psych degree thought it taught him). Tough teams will get pissed about that crap…the blue turf, though, counts on every single snap.
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Apr 9, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
They painted the toilets pink.
The toilets. C’mon.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 9, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Kind of off the subject...
but since we are talking about Boise State, how did they play 14 games last year? Sure it’s been answered before but I just wondered. The don’t have a championship game it that crappy conference they are in do they?
"If it doesn't matter who wins or loses, then why do they keep score?" Lombardi version "Winning doesn't matter, why do we have to keep score?" Auburn version
NCAA has some rule where if you play @ Hawaii during the regular season you're allowed an extra game
i think it’s meant to help teams in the WAC generate revenue. the rule applies to anyone who’ll play @ hawaii though…. i think.
for the next five days there is nothing in my heart but hate. pure, untempered, ice-cold hate. fond memories are for saturday. - Kleph
by tempebamafan on Apr 10, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
We did the same thing when we were on our post-season ban from the 2002 stuff. The hawaii game functioned like a bowl game for us.
Allowing the extra game is partially to allow hawaii to generate revenue, but it’s also to reimburse teams who have to spend an arm and a leg to play there.
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Cause it is sucks so bad to have to go to Hawaii.
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