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More on Bill Curry...

I wrote the following in an earlier comment, and figured I would bump it out to the frontpage since a lot of people were asking about Curry earlier today:

Curry is actually a very complicated examination, truth be told, and it doesn’t fit in as nicely into an easily understandable box like some other coaches do.

From the outset, he did have a good final record. A 26-10 record in three years is by no means shabby, and for all of the grief he gets over being unable to beat Auburn (who was admittedly damn good at the time), going 6-0 combined against Tennessee (Majors) and Penn State (Paterno) is very impressive. Furthermore, he did have us 10-0 and in the thick of national championship contention going into the Iron Bowl in 1989, never an easy thing to do. In that context, in terms of pure on-field success, Curry had a pretty successful tenure at Alabama.

Furthermore, he recruited really well. The core of the 1992 national championship team was signed by Bill Curry, and aside from Saban I don’t think there is much doubt that he was best recruiter we’ve had in the post-Bryant era. Also keep in mind that he did this while Auburn and Pat Dye were at their peak, and — as we later found out via 60 Minutes, among other sources — paying players in straight cash. That’s a level of recruiting success that shouldn’t go unappreciated.

Now, with that somewhat glowing critique of Curry established, by no means was his tenure all roses. Specifically…

While Curry did have a good degree of on-field success, when he inherited the program in 1987 it was in very good shape, featuring great talent, national recognition, and then-state-of-the-art facilities. Most ’Bama fans probably forget that the 1986 team was a massive disappointment, and was one that was expected by many to make a serious run at a national championship. Put in more concrete terms, no football coach worth his salt ought to have the first excuse when, upon walking into his first team meeting, he sees Derrick Thomas, Willie Wyatt, and Keith McCants staring back at him. Bottom line, Curry had success at Alabama, but quite frankly any coach should have won under those circumstances, and if anything Curry probably should have won more than he did.

More damning, though, with Curry was evident with his teams, which really always played with a high degree of inconsistency. We’d come out and lose to Memphis, then drill Tennessee, then squeak by Mississippi State, then smoke LSU in Baton Rouge, and then get annihilated by Notre Dame (see the 1987 season). A certain degree of variation in performance levels is to be expected, to be sure, but nothing like the wild swings that were common with Curry. Furthermore, Curry’s teams often played with a tepid nature in big games and key moments. In that regard, we looked a lot more like a Shula team than a Saban team under Curry. That alone is pretty damning.

Furthermore, as we found out later in his stint with Kentucky, you really do just have to wonder how good of a coach he was in the first place. He struggled at Georgia Tech, and when you watched him at Kentucky having Tim Couch run the veer, well, how can you really defend that? Curry spent 17 years as a head coach at big-time football programs, and in the 14 years he spent in Atlanta and Lexington, he managed to get north of six wins only one time (1985). In that sense, you really do have to wonder if he was just a bad coach all along who had a degree of success at Alabama only because of the fundamental strength of the program and the cyclical success the program was having at the time of his arrival.

The biggest problem with Curry was just one of institutional fit. I’ll be frank… for the life of me I’ll never understand why he took the Alabama job. He was a Georgia Tech alum, and he always viewed the Alabama fan base and the university itself with a very open aura of disrespect. The view on his end was always crystal clear: the University of Alabama, its administration, and its fans were fundamentally inferior to Curry and his Georgia Tech background. To that end, Curry treated UA in the same manner than a probation officer would treat one of his juvenile delinquents, and the clashes were inevitable. Again, why did he ever take the job in the first place? As dumb of a decision as it may have been for the UA administration to extend an offer to him, it was an even dumber decision on his end to accept it.

And really, that is why Curry left. He was not "run off" as many rival fans like to now proclaim. He bolted for Kentucky (Kentucky!) after a contract issue developed between him and UA (no small issue, admittedly) — specifically, UA wanted to limit his ability to hire and fire assistants — but in reality he was looking to get out any way he could. If it hadn’t have been bolting for Kentucky over the power to hire and fire assistants, it would have inevitably been bolting for another school over another issue. Again, all in all, it’s hard to even fathom a more terrible fit between a coach and an institution than Curry and Alabama. It was almost like an episode of Wife Swap, college football style.

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Great analysis.

I too wondered why in the world he came to Alabama.

I think maybe he thought Alabama was wanting to somehow become like Tech and he saw himself as part of the plan to lead Bama from the evils of Bryant to the promise land of being Dodd like.

It was a bad fit from the beginning. And, you are right, with the talent and facilities he could have done better.

I don’t hate the guy, but I hope we sing Rammer Jammer really loud just because he wanted to end it. And scoring 85 on him would be ok too.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on May 19, 2010 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

we should bring the PRE-GAME rammer jammer back

just for this game…

i really don’t want star to be playing for them when they are crushed.

"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban

by LittleSis on May 21, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think a large reason Bill Curry was offered the job

was that whoever was university president was trying to turn Alabama into more of an academic school which Georgia Tech certaintly was at the time.

by Richie Grogan on May 20, 2010 12:22 AM CDT reply actions  

It was an odd move,

but it’s hard to argue with the results: Georgia Tech went from 5-5-1 his last year to 11-0-1 National Champions in 1990. Thank you, Alabama!

by CraigT on May 20, 2010 5:21 AM CDT reply actions  

it’s hard to even fathom a more terrible fit between a coach and an institution than Curry and Alabama. It was almost like an episode of Wife Swap, college football style.

RichRod at Michigan? we get to watch that in real time!

by Alabama ManDance on May 20, 2010 7:57 AM CDT reply actions  

God are you right...

I am a UMich fan when I am not watching Bama. But what about Bill Callahan at Nebraska?

by lbdasdog on May 20, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting post - On Curry Taking The Alabama Job..

The story I have always heard over and over on why he left Tech to go to Alabama was that Bobby Dodd told him he had to if he wanted to win a national title.

Tech football in the 70s was mostly awful and the school considering moving down to DIII and being like Carnegie Mellon. Some old football guys from the Dodd days convinced them otherwise and Curry helped rejuvenate the program to a competitive level, but still far from a national title.

Curry looked to Dodd like a father and took his advice.

by accsecblog on May 20, 2010 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

I never understood ............

why we went after Curry, and though all the reasoning here is sound, Curry and Alabama were just not a good fit. I think part of it was also that the Bama admin was trying to get away from the Bryant disciples and try their hand at picking a successor to the throne of college football. There were so many other qualified candidates around at the time, my pick was Danny Ford, (which looking back now wouldn’t have been the best), but Bama seemed determined to go outside the family. It was a confusing time to be a Bama fan.

I don't mind bad news, and I don't mind good news, but I can't stand surprises! Coach Nick Saban

by jtCRIMSON on May 20, 2010 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

A couple of comments:

This article is quite enlightening in regards to Bill Curry’s tenure; especially for those that were not around at the time. As in most situations, there are usually several reasons why things come about. In addition to the article and some of the comments presented, I would like to pass on my .02.

For Bill Curry, taking the BAMA job was definitely a step up and although some may question why a Tech man would take the position, he is a professional college football coach and most likely felt that it was a career building opportunity. Why would Vince Dooley, an Auburn grad, have spent over 40 years at UGA or Pat Dye, an UGA grad, as HC at AU?

BAMA fans prefer one of their own as a HC and through the years we have had a number of former players or assistants at the helm. Probably the Number 1 reason is simply that any former player or assistant has been there and knows what is expected from his program.

Someone commented that one of the reasons Bill Curry was hired was because the current University President, Joab Thomas wanted Alabama to become a “more academic school”. Back then, I believe the saying was that Joab wanted BAMA to become the Harvard of the South. Another reason and there is much truth to it was that Dr. Thomas was intimidated by Coach Bryant as well as his hand picked successor, Ray Perkins. I doubt anyone would argue that Bill Curry was very intimidating.

The other comment that I would like to make is that I do not agree with your assessment in regards to Bill Curry probably being the best recruiter since the Bryant era except for CNS. As you mentioned, he came aboard with a lot of experienced talent ready to improve upon their “disappointing” 1986 10-3 record. Coach Perkins wasn’t exactly a media darling but he was building us back into a NC contender. Most of those around the program felt that had he not left for Tampa Bay, BAMA would have had it’s 12th NC in 87 or 88. And this is primarily because of what you addressed in regards to the players that Curry was inheriting.

Regardless of Curry or Perkins being the better recruiter, I believe a more important point is that yes, the vast majority of the 1992 seniors and a few redshirt juniors were recruited by Bill Curry while he was at BAMA. HOWEVER, only a handful of the 89 recruiting class had any meaningful playing time that season. My contention is simply that these players had only one year in Bill Curry’s program and either 3 or 4 years with Gene Stallings. Basically, this is the same argument some have in regards to CNS winning a NC in his 3rd year with several of Mike Shula’s recruits of which 3 were All-Americans or Les Miles LSU NC in his 3rd year with CNS’ recruits..

My point is simply that recruiting is the first of several factors necessary for building a National Championship program. After recruiting, it becomes a matter of building a TEAM through all the other factors necessary to become the best. Bottom line, it’s simply a matter of coaching.

by Buffpup323 on May 20, 2010 6:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Very interesting article

I’d always seen Curry’s slant against Clemson in any telecast and that it was primarily because of the Danny Ford-to-Bama rumors that swirled around that time when he struggled.

by DrB on May 20, 2010 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

In my worthless opinion,

I believe three things.
(1) Curry should have NEVER got hired over Bowden. I don’t care what reasons the powers that be give, what Bobby Bowden had done at FSU was amazing, and he was BY FAR the best canidate.
(2) The 0-3 Auburn record is, to this day, as overblown of an ordeal in Alabama football history. Auburn was the best team in the SEC during that time period, and I believe it only gave people who didn’t want Curry to succed in the first place, a reason to hate him.
(3) Those vintage Curry sweaters were amazing! :):)

by wbm on May 23, 2010 8:25 PM CDT reply actions  

(1) I’m still thankful we didn’t hire the coach from Free Shoes University.
(2) Whatever Auburn was, we should have beaten them in 1989 (and I did not hate Bill Curry).
(3) I’ll give you the sweaters. They were fly.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on May 23, 2010 9:56 PM CDT reply actions  

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