Saban Coaching Tree Begins to Blossom
Though largely forgotten now, Nick Saban had more than his fair share of critics shortly after he arrived in Tuscaloosa. Aside from those who accused Saban of being the ultimate liar and the destroyer of the college game, believe it or not more than a few questioned his legitimacy as a football coach. More than a few argued that Alabama grossly overpaid for him. Others thought he really wasn't much of an actual coach, but only a great recruiter who won by putting more talent on the field than his opponent, and someone who wouldn't be able to continue those recruiting successes at Alabama. Still others thought he was just another NFL washout who probably wouldn't be able to re-establish himself as an elite coach once again in the college game.
All of that is laughable now, of course, after Saban has gone on to have even greater success in Tuscaloosa than he had in Baton Rouge. With him now having two national championships in the BCS era at two different institutions -- which, in and of itself, puts him in a class all to his lonesome -- after building both from the ground up (with hopefully more to come), Saban has probably transcended the label of a mere "great" coach, and at this point it can probably be legitimately debated just how he compares with the all time greats.
And since college football is nothing if not a copycat game, Saban's influence is making a major impact on the college football landscape, as suddenly Saban proteges are popping up everywhere.
The two biggest landings to date, of course, are Derek Dooley at Tennessee and Jimbo Fisher at Florida State, men who have now risen to the top of traditional powerhouse programs. Perhaps not as well known, however, is Michigan State head coach Mark Dantonio, who served as a defensive backs coach for five years when Saban resided in East Lansing. Dantonio is now heading into his fourth year at Michigan State after leading the Spartans to three consecutive bowl games. Likewise, Mike Haywood -- who spent three years under Saban as running backs coach at LSU -- is heading into his second season as head coach at Miami (Ohio). And, finally, another major landing is waiting in the wings with Will Muschamp being dubbed the head coach in waiting at Texas.
The impact is being felt on the assistant level as well. Kevin Steele turned a short stint at Alabama into a defensive coordinator position at Clemson, which he felt to be the next step in a return to the head coaching ranks. Likewise, James Willis turned a one year stint in Tuscaloosa into a defensive coordinator position in his own right, with him joining his other old boss Tommy Tuberville at Texas Tech. Ron Middleton is another, leaving Tuscaloosa at the end of 2007 and becoming a man of all hats for David Cutcliffe at Duke, where he is associate head coach, tight ends coach, and special teams coordinator. Finally, we have Todd Grantham at Georgia. He earned coaching jobs in the NFL after spending a three year stint as Saban's defensive line coach at Michigan State, and he has now been given the defensive coordinator position in Athens, where he is installing the 3-4 defense and where he will likely be the single person who, more than anyone else, will determine the future of the Mark Richt era of Georgia football.
Furthermore, this is a trend that shows no signs of stopping any time soon, as the current coaching staff at Alabama is littered with men destined to ascend the coaching ladder. While there are some who likely relish their careers as assistants -- Joe Pendry and Bobby Williams, for example -- others are clearly living on borrowed time in Tuscaloosa. Offensive coordinator Jim McElwain will be rewarded with a head coaching job in the near future, the question is just how long he decides to hold out and where he decides to take over. Simply put, offense sells tickets and high-end offensive coordinators rarely remain assistants for long; McElwain will coach his way out of Tuscaloosa in the near future. Likewise, linebackers coach Sal Sunseri is on the fast-track as well. He turned down overtures for the Florida State defensive coordinator position last year, but the point remains that -- if he so chooses -- it seems to be only a matter of time before finds himself leading a defense at a powerhouse program (or more).
And then we have Kirby Smart, one of the undisputed rising stars of the coaching ranks. His alma mater Georgia pursued him heavily last year and threw a massive amount of cash at him in an attempt to convince him to come back to Athens -- Smart is a Georgia native and was an All-SEC defensive back at UGA in 1998 -- but Smart chose to remain in Tuscaloosa. The real-world implication from that rejection was relatively simple... Smart will not be leaving Tuscaloosa for a defensive coordinator position, he's only going to leave as a head coach. At only 34 years old, the sky is the limit for Smart. No one doubts that he will be head coach of a powerhouse program one day, and if he really wants it the odds are that he could very well parlay his success into a head coach in waiting position in Tuscaloosa. While Saban tends to understate things, he has been relatively outspoken in the past in support of succession planning, and given that he will almost certainly have a role in choosing his successor at Alabama, it should come as no surprise to any observer if Saban endorses Smart as his successor in Tuscaloosa.
At this point, simply put, becoming a member of a coaching staff led by Nick Saban almost guarantees an upward move in the coaching ranks.
But it does not have to be that way. Some people hold onto the notion that a natural byproduct of winning is raided coaching staffs, but history tells a slightly different story. Some programs do experience that, to be sure, but many others do not. Take Phil Fulmer, for example, and his run at Tennessee. For all of the success that program had during its peak in the late 1990's and early 2000's -- complete with a national championship and a literal NFL factory in the locker room -- few outside programs began poaching the Knoxville area looking for coaches. At the time many of those who imbibed the puke orange kool-aid wrote that off as a seemingly amazing ability of Fulmer to retain his assistants, but in hindsight what it was really telling us was that the Vols were a poorly coached team that was really just getting by mostly on raw talent. Of course, Tennessee fans eventually learned that bitter lesson the hard way, beginning with Nick Saban's upset of ungodly-talented Volunteers in the 2001 SEC Championship Game.
Simply put, some coaches win for a while, fizzle out, and fade into oblivion. Others, however, spin off countless proteges who use the lessons they learned to forge their own successful coaching careers and to carry on the influence of their mentors. Saban clearly belongs in the latter group, not the former. As his coaching tree continues to blossom, Saban's legacy and impact on the college game will only grow further.
Note: big hat-tip to Kleph for all the work entailed in generating the Saban coaching tree image. May that he have to make many more additions in the years to come.
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By the time...
…CNS retires, there will be at least twice as many names on that list….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 25, 2010 8:39 AM CDT reply actions
and lets hope he doubles our NC total as well
26 sounds like a nice round number to me.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
I'd settle...
…for 24….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 25, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Bobby Williams
also served as the Michigan State head coach after CNS left for LSU.
"Bama Hawkeye, you know, the Iowa blogger who actually uses reason and analysis." - Hawkeye State
edit sir
Jimbo Fisher at Florida
That would be Florida STATE.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
lol
we just didn’t a bunch of people coming over and screaming how we are idiots who don’t know the difference between FSU and UF…
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
You remind me
about the difference in the treatment of Saban and Meyer. Saban, who changed his mind after stating he wasn’t going to coach at Alabama, was called by ESPN “A proven liar.” Meyer, after changing his mind about retirement once his team got whipped by Saban, had this said “He changed his mind. That’s ok, he can do that.”
One wonders who will have more NCs, and a larger coaching tree, when all is said and done. We know already who the Endless Self Promotion Network is rooting for.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant
Meyers tree is growing...
and should be pretty large by the time he’s done.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
It would be interesting to see
the coaching trees of the other big name coaches, past and present, in the SEC and other conferences. I had never given much thought to the fact that Fulmer didn’t produce many other coaches. I know Chavis is the DC at LSU, but is he the only one still around from the Fulmer era?
Randy Sanders...
Fulmer really only had three coordinators at Tennessee: David Cutcliffe, Randy Sanders, and John Chavis. Sanders is now the OC at Kentucky after being fired at UT following the ’05 debacle, Chavis is a solid DC who has never really attracted much in the way of advancement opportunities, and Cutcliffe has been a fairly solid coach at some disadvantaged programs.
Aside from those three, I really cannot think of anyone else off-hand that really went on to do something special. All of the guys that I really remember are the ones who washed out for one reason or the other without ever really doing anything… Pat Washington, Woody McCorvey, Steve Caldwell, Jimmy Ray Stephens, Dan Brooks, Kevin Ramsey, Mike Barry, Mark Bradley, etc.
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by outsidethesidelines on Jun 25, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep...
Yes, and he may be one of the few that could prove to be a slight exception. He’s still a young guy with a reasonable chance of getting a head coaching job one day. That alone would outpace every other Fulmer assistant aside from Cutcliffe.
On the other hand, though, he fits the generic Fulmer coaching mold perfectly… great recruiter, shady as hell with character, and probably an average-at-best on-field coach even at his peak. In that sense, it’s just more of the same ol’ song and dance.
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by outsidethesidelines on Jun 25, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
He is the best at towel waving.
But, only after the guy at UCLA stopped doing it.
by CaliforniaTide on Jun 25, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice work, OTS & Kleph
Seriously had to do a double take regarding Kirby Smart being 34 years old. Makes me feel like I am doing nothing with my life!
Just a thought
what did Spurrier’s coaching tree end up looking like? I don’t recall any prominent coach coming from him, excepts for Stoops, and I would argue Stoops didn’t learn from SS, just proved himself as his DC enough to get his own gig.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant
I cannot...
I cannot think of many off the top of my head, but as you mentioned I don’t think Spurrier should get much (if any) credit for Stoops. Frankly, if someone told me that SOS has spent a total of ten minutes in his career focusing on the defensive side of the ball, I’d probably think that was too much.
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by outsidethesidelines on Jun 25, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
An OU fan may have to correct me, but...
… it has always been my understanding that the two biggest influences on Stoops were Hayden Fry and Bill Snyder. Stoops ran the defense by himself at Florida, and it’s really hard to argue that Spurrier had anything to do with his development when he had almost no involvement on Stoops’ side of the ball.
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by outsidethesidelines on Jun 25, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Good article.
40 years ago it seemed like just about a third of the good coaches had direct ties to Coach Bryant. This is what great coaches do, they reproduce. Bryant was always pretty good at beating his boys although Stallings got the best of him in a Cotton Bowl Alabama should have dominated. Hope Saban has the same mastery.
If we have to expand...let's keep it to 14.
Bryant...
In terms of all-time college coaching trees in the post-World War II era, Bryant remains the undisputed king and will probably forever hold that distinction. With the exception of Georgia, literally every single other SEC program hired at least one Bryant disciple as head coach, and several schools hired multiple Bryant proteges (see LSU, hiring Dietzel, Charlie Mac, and Hallman).
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by outsidethesidelines on Jun 25, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That's...
…Cholly Mac….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 25, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed...

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by outsidethesidelines on Jun 25, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it fair to credit Saban with James Willis?
I love what CNS has done for Alabama football, but I don’t think he had an affect on the Texas Tech DC hire.
Tuberville had a history with him and he was only at Bama for one year. I don’t see that Saban gave Willis something that would have made him so much more attractive to Texas Tech.
My point being that if Willis had found a lateral move at almost any other program or had he stayed at Auburn, I don’t think that Tuberville would have thought less of him enough to not consider him for the DC position at TT.
He gained the valuable experience of...
seeing coaching at its finest. Something that had eluded him under his previous employer.
it's a good point...
but i believe oart of what ots is suggesting is that being tapped by saban to be on his staff is a signal to other teams as well. it’s clear that he puts as much forethought and research in selecting his staff as every other aspect of his coaching.
the alabama OC slot is a great example. saban brought major applewhite on board and he lasted all of one year before taking the job as running backs coach at texas. this was a case of a coach simply not working out but saban was ready to make the change when it occurred, calling up mcelwain at fresno state. remember, mcelwain had no idea the alabama OC position was even open when saban called him to offer him the job.
applewhite didn’t have what it took and washed out after one year. willis did have the goods and parlayed the experience into a better position elsewhere. thus i think it’s fair to include the latter in saban’s coaching tree.
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tangential aside...
we’ll get to see a saban protege and a shula protege face off when ole miss comes to BDS on oct. 16. houston nutt hired david rader, alabama’s OC from 2003 through 2006 on as a co-offensive coordinator in february.
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2010/02/ole_miss_announces_dave_rader.html
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Dave Radar is probably a nice guy, but
poor Ole Miss fans
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by BamaReturns07 on Jun 25, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, the bottom line...
…is that we really don’t know what kind of OC Dave Rader will be for Ole Miss, as he had his hands somewhat tied the entire time he worked for/with/alongside Shula. Will he face similar constrictions from Houston Nutt? Maybe so, but I think it’s fair to adopt a wait-and-see attitude for time being.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 25, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Will he face similar constrictions from Houston Nutt?
Gus Malzahn would like to have a word with you.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 25, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
ole miss has co-offensive coordinators...
AND a hands-on HC when it comes to that phase of the game. the number of cooks has the broth recoiling in horror already. and dave rader was somewhat… underwhelming running the offense at bama from 2003-06. to wit:
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Co-OCs...
…is never a good idea, but as to your graph, my point is that it’s somewhat deceptive to say that Dave Rader actually ran the offense at Bama from 2003-06. I’m not saying we should expect Ole Miss to set the world on fire offensively; considering what they’ve lost on that side of the ball (and what they have returning), I wouldn’t expect Homer Smith to dazzle the SEC this year. My point is simply that Mike Shula bears as much blame (perhaps more) for the lack of offensive production as Rader. And remember that our lack of depth during those years had an impact on our production.
Would I rather have Rader than McElwain? No way. But I don’t look on his recent tenure as a sign that he can’t do the job, either.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 26, 2010 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions
what recent tenure?
he ran an oil and gas company into the ground and has been working for a german processing plant firm ever since. he was thinking of making a run at politics before the siren call of ole miss football snared him.
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Allow me to clarify...
…his recent tenure at the Capstone….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 26, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Neither is this one...

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 26, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
And a computer technology firm
Again, I don’t see any evidence at anytime that says Dave Radar is/would be a good OC, but there is quite a bit to point in the other direction.
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by BamaReturns07 on Jun 29, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Dave Radar?
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 29, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Saban
Im from Oklahoma and have been a Sooner fan my whole life. However, I also lived in Alabama for a while and love the Tide as well. I can say this: Stoops is great and what he has done for Oklahoma football is awesome, but Saban is the best coach in college football bar none. You guys are lucky to have him.
Thank you...
…for posting with class. Most of us have a good deal of respect for Oklahoma’s tradition of playing winning football, and regardless of our feelings regarding Stoops, we’ll readily admit he’s one of the top coaches in the game. We also agree that Coach Saban is the best (surprise!). Good luck this season (unless you face us in a BCS/bowl game). Feel free to come back and rap again.
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 27, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
it should be noted...
that stoops and saban keep a very open working relationship with each other.
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Mac Brown...
…is not smiling….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 27, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Saban knows how to find our what he needs to know

apparantly spying isn’t all that hard.
That white stuff on the top of chickencrap...... is chickencrap.
lulz @ Kleph
“Kids, get off my *&^$%%^$ LAWN!”
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by BamaReturns07 on Jun 29, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Especially considering that was the week before the BCSNCG
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by BamaReturns07 on Jun 29, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions

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