Thoughts on Conference Expansion: The Texas Problem
It goes without saying that Texas and to a lesser extent Texas A&M are the crown jewels of conference expansion. As it becomes increasingly clear that the Big Ten will expand to sixteen teams and that the Pac-10 will also be looking to expand significantly -- really, I think the Pac-10 is just as hell-bent on expansion as is the Big Ten, they just haven't made as much public noise about it -- the SEC will naturally be pushed to expand in its own right.
Clearly, getting Texas and Texas A&M would be the perfect scenario for the SEC, and it likely the one the powers-that-be within the SEC will initially pursue. By significantly expanding the conference's geographic footprint, combined with adding two major football programs, Texas and Texas A&M would significantly increase the revenue of the conference as a whole and it would also allow the SEC an easy path into adding two teams from the east -- see Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, etc. -- thereby allowing the conference to maintain geographic balance while at the same time expanding.
Perfect, right? Well, here is going to be the biggest problem:
A high-ranking member of the Texas legislature told Brown that he and some of his constituents are looking to have Baylor replace Colorado if the Pac-10's planned raid of the Big 12 ultimately becomes a reality."If you're going to have an exported commodity involved in this, do you think we're going to allow a school from outside the state of Texas to replace one of our schools in the Big 12 South? I don't think so. We're already at work on this," the unnamed legislator told Orangeblood.com's Brown.
The e-mail contained a link to a story about how Texas politicians are pushing for Baylor — and not Colorado — to be one of the teams leaving the Big 12 and heading west.
The e-mail came from a Baylor official, who offered an immediate interview with the school’s athletic director.
Also, he provided the A.D.’s cell number.
And there is the problem.
Getting Texas and Texas A&M would be a great move in terms of revenue expansion and increased media visibility. Realistically, though, given the political forces within the state of Texas, there is probably little if any chance that Texas and Texas A&M can be added without bringing in both Baylor and Texas Tech.
Remember, in the mid-1990's then-governor Ann Richards stepped in and refused to allow the state schools to bolt the old Southwest Conference without letting Baylor join the Big XII with them. This time around will probably be no different. In and of themselves Baylor and Texas Tech are likely nothing particularly special, and wouldn't be schools that conferences seeking to expand would fervently pursue. Thus, given that reality, the political machinations of the state of Texas would probably require Texas and Texas A&M to carry Baylor and Texas Tech with them wherever they go so as not to allow those latter two schools to be left out in the cold in the wake of expansion.
And for the Pac-10, that is probably no issue. They could easily add all four Texas schools and still easily integrate them into an expanded conference featuring two seven or eight team divisions, with the four Texas schools forming the backbone of an eastern division. Besides, I don't think the Pac-10 could care less about letting Colorado slip away if it ultimately yielded them both Texas and Texas. Far from it being a problem with the Pac-10, it's a great opportunity.
For the SEC, though, that's probably just not a realistic possibility. Getting Texas and Texas A&M would be marvelous, but realistically there is probably little chance that the SEC could also successfully integrate both Texas Tech and Baylor. Adding those four would make the SEC a sixteen team league -- all the while adding two new members that the SEC would otherwise never even remotely consider -- and would require two current SEC West members to make the jump to the SEC East. To say that such a move would generate significant opposition would probably qualify as understatement of the year.
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Texas and TAMU...
…are certainly the biggest prizes in all this, but if the SEC really does decide to expand I’d much rather see it stay “Southeastern” and plunder the ACC for Clemson, Tech, FSU, Miami, or even the Virginia Schools. To put it another way, I just don’t like the state of Texas and would rather not have to deal with the assholes on a regular basis. Having LSU in the conference is bad enough….
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by Todd on Jun 6, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Texas Assholes?
Some of the finest, friendliest, most charitable people in the world call themselves Texans…and, we don’t go to family reunions cause the chicks are cute (like Alabama, maybe?)
don't get your panties in a wad...
If you don’t want Texas in the SEC, why would you care if some SEC fans wouldn’t want it either?
That white stuff on the top of chickencrap...... is chickencrap.
I have been to a Texas Hooters...
…and they are nothing special.
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by Todd on Jun 6, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Here sir...
…have a rec for that observation. I’ve had the same experience too.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jun 6, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Hooters
in P-cola, FL… pretty special.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
The problem with texans
is that they are universally convinced of their superiority and they are perfectly happy to tell you about it. I know plenty of people who think they’re better than me (and a lot of them probably are), but most of the non-texans in that bunch have the decency to keep those sentiments to themselves.
"I'm no miracle man. I guarantee nothing but hard work." --Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant
by BearKnuckles on Jun 6, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
To be honest
that’s how alot of people feel about Alabama fans
It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.
by Richie Grogan on Jun 6, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem with Texans is that they are universally convinced of their superiority and they are perfectly happy to tell you about it.
True, and every other place in the world laughs at them for being so ridiculously convinced of their supposed superiority, so what difference does it really make?
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 6, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope all of you spend some more time in Texas, especially Austin. Most of us are extremely proud of our state, as I’m sure you all are of Alabama, but we don’t consider ourselves superior to any other place.
And a correction. Gov. Ann Richards didn’t give a damn about the break up Southwest Conference or the formation of the Big 12. The powers behind that move to get Baylor in the conference was Texas State Sen. David Sibley and Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock, both Baylor grads. Ann Richards (also a Baylor grad) went along with the political winds, but the real powers were Bullock and Sibley.
by dimecoverage on Jun 7, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
A rec for you...
I’m all for them becoming that separate country they think they are. As far as I’m concerned, they’ve never been more than North Mexico, and even though they add a ton to the U.S. GDP, at sometimes it’s just worth it to take the hit and move on. You know your state was founded by wimps when you need Tennesseans (Crockett) and Arkansans (Bowie) to come save you from Mexico.
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jun 6, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Please allow me...
BOOM!
Roasted.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jun 6, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
BR07's gonna be disappointed....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 7, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
He's late for the party. Someone has to pick up the slack.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jun 7, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Texans do think
they are superior. However, they are nice about it.
I can deal with Texans a lot more than I can deal with Vols. And by the way, Texas fans in general have respect for Bama.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
so what you're sayin is that not only is Tejas and aTm a package deal
but when you get them, you also have to take Baylor and Tejas tech. screw that, too much baggage for one good pick up. i’d rather see us wait to make our move, probably wind up adding schools like Fla st, VT, GT, or Clemson.
anyone think OU will join without bringing their little sister along? (or would we want OSU? cuz t boone does have some cash…)
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2nd rate, 2nd class aka Alabama
You don’t have to worry about Texas and TAM going to the SEC….Texas won’t be slumming it in the SEC anyway soon.
You sir
Need to recognize that the BCS and any other national title has been “slumming it” in the SEC the past 4 years……….
by Bobby Briggs on Jun 6, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rate and class I'm fine with.
Just so long as we’re not 2nd in the BCS.
by TiderInTN on Jun 6, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Come on now...
… look, we’ve addressed this situation here at RBR before, and we try to credit readers who post material and post that material out to the frontpage whenever possible.
At some point, though, we’re trying to run a blog here and it just becomes damn ridiculous. Both of our posts on the timestamp are recorded as 2:17. My apologies, but if I’m trying to write a legitimate piece, I cannot go through every single aspect of this blog — including through all of the comments — looking to point out and credit anyone who makes any reference to the same subject.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 6, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
My apologies...
… I thought you were being serious.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 6, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
No worries
You guys all do great work, and nobody should ever get uptight about not seeing their link rec’d, as its not like I did any actual work in the making the story itself, its just news that anybody with a twitter account or a web browser can find quickly themselves, so nobody should ever get uptight. I come here for the great commentary that goes with it, which you and everyone else here does a great job with.
I actually wouldn't mind
bringing Texas Tech into the conference though Baylor is where I feel everybody will put their foot down. My question is, at what point does Texas tell the state legislature to go do an unmentionable by themselves? Texas would have been out in the SEC long ago if it wasn’t for them.
It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.
Show of hands...
… who is up for a 30-hour roadtrip to Lubbock?
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 6, 2010 6:16 PM CDT reply actions
Not me
I’ve got these half assed plans to hit every SEC stadium, and wanted to hit either Arkansas or South Carolina this year, but man, that’s a haul from Nashville. I’ve wimped out and think I’m going to Knoxville (and I see the Tennessee game every year) and then Tuscaloosa for either Florida, Penn State, or Auburn, in that order. The Penn State and Florida games will probably definitely be at night, which is a haul back, but I’ll do it.
I only hit 2-3 Alabama games a year, which I guess doesn’t make me the biggest fans, but on the other hand, I’m a college football fan in general too, and when you go to a game, that means you pretty much don’t see any other games that day.
Driving to ..
Ark is a big slap in the junk. We hit the Ark boarder and thought we’ve gotta be close now. Wrong! I liked Fay. Ark but never again will I drive there.
by chinesedentist on Jun 6, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
This is exactly what I was saying
The Texas schools destroyed the SWC, hijacked the Big 8 (and are destroying/appropriating the B12)…why on god’s earth would the preeminent conference want this locker room cancer? Much less having to deal with the knuckledraggers in the TX Legislature?
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 6, 2010 6:45 PM CDT reply actions
Don't forget the gov is a former A&M yell leader...
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jun 6, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Not exactly true
the fate of the Big 12 lies in the hands of Mizzou and Nebraska, which is why they’ve been given a deadline to make decision whether stay or leave
I will take this opportunity, as I always do
When the subject of Texans and their nature comes up to tell my father’s favorite joke about Texans:
“How full of (sh)it are people from Texas?”
“Well, you can take a 6 foot 4 Texans when he dies, give him an enema, then bury him in a shoebox.”
Hahaha.
I am also reminded of a headline I once saw in The Onion: HARVARD GRAD FROM TEXAS NOT SURE WHICH ONE TO MENTION FIRST
by alakan81 on Jun 6, 2010 8:08 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
He'd mention Texas
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
Texas is so big...
they could practically have their own conference. Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor, Rice, UTEP, SMU and TCU.
Don't forget Houston...
Hell, with Houston that would give you 9 teams, plus add OU and OSU into the mix and poach another border state school (Arkansas?) and you’ve got 12 right there.
Roll Bama Roll - The Champagne of Bama Blogs.
They used to call that...
…the SWC….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 7, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions

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