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Thoughts on Conference Expansion: Latest News

The past couple of days have been highly eventful in terms of conference expansion news, so let us get up to speed. To begin with, let us start with the following story from the Associated Press:

The Pac-10 board has given commissioner Larry Scott the authority to pursue any possible expansion for the conference.

Scott spoke following the conclusion of the conference meetings in San Francisco on Sunday. Earlier in the day, he addressed the chancellors and presidents about possible expansion and was given authority to move ahead without having to go back to the board for approval.

The upside of that is that Scott now has free reign to do whatever he wants whenever he wants with regard to conference expansion. He can, at his own discretion, choose how much he wants to expand the Pac-10 -- twelve, fourteen, or sixteen teams -- and he can choose which institutions get invitations. The vast amount of power entailed in that discretion speaks for itself. And, of course, it is common sense that large amounts of power have a tendency to be put to use and to not merely sit around unused and collecting dust, so perhaps the following report today in the New York Times should come as no real surprise:

"Larry Scott wants to fire the first bullet," said a Big 12 athletic official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk publicly about the topic. "The pressure is being put on Nebraska and Missouri. Over the next two weeks, we’re going to know where we stand."

That is perhaps the most interesting dynamic in all of this. The overwhelming majority of the attention regarding conference expansion has focused on the Big Ten and all of the supposed earth-altering moves they are pondering. In reality, however, the Pac-10 is also looking to expand and has probably been just as aggressive in their attempts at doing so, but just haven't tried to create the media buzz in the process. That is until now, anyway.

And with the Big Ten talking expansion to anyone who would listen the past few months, perhaps this statement by Michigan State President Lou Anna K. Simon should not be unexpected:

"Our announcement in December has caused institutions to consider their future and conferences to consider their future," said Michigan State president Lou Anna K. Simon, the chair of the Big Ten’s council of presidents/chancellors. "That has had an impact on our deliberations. … We had targeted a timeline that was as long as 18 months. It’s possible that the timeline may be altered, but not the process.

"The actions of others are obviously important to us and they impact us, but the process is as we’ve outlined it."

That is an elongated response, of course, but the additional words cannot bury the underlying meaning of it. Put simply, if the Pac-10 decides to make a move in the next few weeks, the Big Ten will act immediately. Oh sure they may take their sweet damn time if given but the opportunity, but if the hand is pushed they will respond quickly.

The interesting thing about all of that, however, is that there does not necessarily need be a quick response. Aside from the Texas-to-the-Big-Ten rumors -- which realistically will never happen -- the Pac-10 and the Big Ten are not fighting over the same schools. The Pac-10 is not interested in the viable Big Ten expansion candidates, and by that I mean Notre Dame, Nebraska, Missouri, and schools from the Big East. In that vein, the Pac-10 and Big Ten could expand at their own volition without one being necessarily forced by the other, but in any event it does not seem like either conference will allow that. 

Star-divide

Now, with all of that established, moving on to the specific teams, the latest likely possibility has the four Texas schools -- Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and Baylor -- moving to the Pac-10 along with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to form a "Pac-16," which would be broken into two eight-team divisions (essentially "old" Pac-10 versus "new" Pac-10"). The thinking behind that is as sound as it is obvious. For all of its crown jewel status, the political machinations in the state of Texas will likely require the 'Horns to bring along the Aggies, Red Raiders, and Bears. There is, realistically, no way that either the SEC or the Big Ten could accommodate all of those programs, so in essence it is likely either Pac-10 or bust. Sure, getting Texas and Texas A&M would be a great move, but realistically you have to be able to carry their extra baggage, and only the Pac-10 can feasibly do that at the moment.

And besides, really, why would Texas and Texas A&M want to join the SEC? Per Pete Thamel...

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Honestly, why would Mack Brown and company want to join the SEC and then have to fight through Alabama, Florida, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, and whoever else we add just to get to the top of their own conference? Especially when they could just go to the Pac-10 where their biggest opposition, aside from the Big XII members they bring with them, will be a Lane Kiffin led USC program likely trying to recover from harsh NCAA sanctions.

Now, for the Big Ten, this all probably has very few, if any, implications. The Texas rumors were probably nothing more than wild fantasies in the first place, and of their "realistic" candidates, nothing that the Pac-10 does affects any of those institutions. The same schools they were looking to bring into the mix will still be there when they ultimately look to expand, and those schools should be just as willing as before to join the expanded Big Ten.

For the SEC, though, taking Texas and Texas A&M off the board does have a pretty big implication. With those two schools off the board, it effectively means that the SEC must expand within its current territory, thereby largely eliminating the ability of the SEC to significantly expand its geographic footprint. Suddenly, if the SEC is indeed going to expand, the only realistic possibility for doing so is to raid the ACC of the likes of Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, and Virginia Tech. One of those teams will left out in the cold, of course, but if the SEC does expand to sixteen teams, the additional four will likely come out of that group of five.

And in that sense, believe it or not, if conferences are truly going to expand to sixteen teams, we actually have a pretty good idea of who will go where. The four schools from Texas will go to the Pac-10 along with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. The Big Ten will pick up Nebraska and Missouri to go along with three teams from the Big East. The SEC will raid the ACC. The Big XII will implode, and the Big East and the ACC leftovers will likely try to cobble something together, with the same going for the Big XII leftovers and the Mountain West.

In the end, though, the wild card in this whole deal is probably still Notre Dame, and they are the ones who could significantly alter expansion for everyone. The Big Ten is still pursuing them, I'm sure, and I would bet good money that at some point the powers-that-be at the Big Ten make one final bid for the Fighting Irish. That means that, for all of their independent blustering, Notre Dame will have to look in the mirror one final time and make that decision, one that could impact them for decades to come. Given the super-expansion that will follow, the choice for Notre Dame is likely pretty clear... join a conference now, or be independent forever.

And again, Notre Dame could significantly alter the course of all of this. Their preference is for the Big Ten to expand to twelve teams, not sixteen, and if they agreed to join the Big Ten that would probably end any thought that the Big Ten previously had of expanding to sixteen teams. That would probably keep the SEC from expanding -- clearly, the SEC would prefer to keep the current order -- and that could also limit the expansion of the Pac-10 to twelve teams. For all of the talk of Texas, Notre Dame could still be the monkey wrench in conference expansion.

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If we get 3 legitimate super conferences, 2 okay 16-team conferences, and an independent Notre Dame… what happens to the post-season? And does the system continue to cater to the Irish?

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by billycthulhu on Jun 7, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

That's a good question

And does that system necessarily include the NCAA or BCS? Its hard to imagine the NCAA going away, but I could easily see the BCS go away.

 I’m curious about NBC’s numbers for Notre Dame over the past 10 years. Yeah, they are getting fat money now, but will they continue to when the TV contract comes up again?

by Bobby Briggs on Jun 7, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing in the BCS rules are threatend by any of this realingment talk.

The MWC would likely earn the BCS berth they have been clamoring for if the Big 12 folds, as they would then be in the top 6 in the first two criteria and within 50% of the top conference in the third.

BCS Evolution -- Punctuating the Equilibrium - twitter

by utesfan100 on Jun 7, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would think that the BCS would re-evaluate its formula for determining AQ.

The formula was made to basically give the top 6 conferences bids, with those top 6 holding roughly 66 teams. If there are suddenly 4 “super-conferences” with roughly the same number of teams, I would think those AQ rules would change to “top 5” terms instead of “top 6”. That would then open up more at-large bids.

That’s just my thought on it. I don’t know exactly how that decision would be made or what happens to the terms of the original agreements once the current conferences start to break down.

by CarrotTop4 on Jun 7, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

The BCS likely would change

But hey would not HAVE to.

I think provisions to allow three teams from a confernce are liekly as well, maybe for conferences with 14 or more members.

This would motivate the SEC and ACC to kill the Big East.

BCS Evolution -- Punctuating the Equilibrium - twitter

by utesfan100 on Jun 8, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

It seems these expansions will take place right before football season kicks off

What happens to, lets say Texas’ 2010 schedule? I’m sure they’re in line to play several games against teams currently in the Big 12, and, on the hook to be included into the Big 10 (ie Mizzo) Looks to me like these powers that be should pursue this a bit faster. Otherwise Texas will be in the Pac 10/16 playing Big 10/16 teams. Scheduling could be messy for 2010.

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by mulletover on Jun 7, 2010 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

The negotiations would likely be finished prior to 2010,

but the changes probably wouldn’t be made until the 2011 season. At least based on my understanding.

by rugman11 on Jun 7, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah...

…there would have to be at least a one year delay.

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by Todd on Jun 7, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Guess, I should have read further. Oh well, I’m an idiot.

by chowder on Jun 7, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

The PAC 10 expansion would start for the 2012-2013 season

Larry Scott’s expansion authority requires an expansion to be finalized by the end of the year and stipulates that the teams would join in the 2012-2013 season.

It also includes all options he put on the table, including a far more modest Utah-Colorado plan. I think that is the backup plan if Texas and Nebraska decide to stay pat in the Big 12.

Six moths ago I never would have thought that the MWC’s hopes of a BCS automatic qualification might stem from a collapse of the Big 12. Now that appears imminent.

BCS Evolution -- Punctuating the Equilibrium - twitter

by utesfan100 on Jun 7, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm really trying to figure what's going to happen to the rest of the college football world

if the PAC-10, Big Ten, and SEC all go to 16 teams. People are just assuming the rest would just cobble together but I can’t figure out how. The ACC and Big East would be left with 13 teams, so they’d either have to go dumpster diving in the C-USA for three more teams (and potentially lose their BCS auto-bid) or somebody (likely UCONN or Syracuse) would get left out of a new, 12-team Big ACC, or whatever. On the other side, the MWC will probably still add Boise State and, if they take the Big XII leftovers, would they just stay at 14 teams or would they try to pick up two more WAC teams, or would they try to strengthen top-to-bottom by dropping two of their cellar dwellers?

by rugman11 on Jun 7, 2010 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

The Big 12 Championship game

Now the most uncelebrated event in modern football history!

Fumbles. It was always Fumbles

by DocFumbles on Jun 7, 2010 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Now the most uncelebrated event in modern football history!

Did the ACC stop having its championship game??

by CarrotTop4 on Jun 7, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

The MAC still has one

allegedly…it’s like a Bigfoot sighting; anecdotal reports coupled with a few fuzzy pictures.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 7, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been to the C-USA championship game.

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by Nico2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I've seen the Loch Ness Monster...

Pics or it doesn’t exist.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 7, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I even have a t-shirt!

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by Nico2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reminds me of when I went to see Troy @ NU

I bought (and had shipped) a Troy shirt and a Troy gameday shirt…

That ended 56-0 Nebraska.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 7, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't have a dog in this particular fight.

It was UCF vs. Tulsa and I went because it was cheap and about a 10 minute drive from my house.

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by Nico2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Am I reading this right?

It sounds like Texas is taking the position that the SEC is too strong a conference for them to play in.

I guess it’s hard to argue with ’em. The PAC-10 is an easier road to travel.

I do have to wonder if they would feel the same way if they’d won in January.

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by rco3 on Jun 7, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

It's not that

Texas just doesn’t see the SEC as an academic fit

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 7, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

SEC to hard?

Texas didn’t take this position DUH! Can’t you read? The writer of this blog took that position DUH!

by SteerPower on Jun 7, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you, sir

for establishing the clear superiority of Big12 academics.

University of Tennessee : Where Schadenfreude Happens

by rco3 on Jun 7, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just saying how Texas sees it

Not necessairly how it is

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 7, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he was responding to the troll, not you.

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by Thomas Walker Esq on Jun 7, 2010 12:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Burnt orange recently posted that

the SEC was not that far behind the Big 12 in Acedemics. Guess you"re arguing with your own Peter Bean!

"Defense"

by rmathis on Jun 7, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mack Brown

Is he the Texas AD, and even if so, does he have that clout to dictate what Texas does because of concerns about Texas competing with Alabama and LSU in football in 2010 or 2011? That just seems awful shortsighted. Any decision to be made here about fleeing and joining other conferences seems to be one you’d want to make with the belief this is what’s best for you for the next 15-25 years at least, not 5. Lots can change over 25 years.

Also, with this version of the Pac 16, it really looks a lot like the Pac 8 vs the SWC in some ways, without Arkansas and maybe with Baylor. No real point I’m trying to make, that’s just interesting.

by Bobby Briggs on Jun 7, 2010 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

does he have that clout to dictate what Texas does because of concerns about Texas competing with Alabama and LSU in football in 2010 or 2011?

If Texas is that short-sighted, maybe the WAC should extend them an invitation just in case they might be interested.

by CarrotTop4 on Jun 7, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The overwhelming majority of the attention regarding conference expansion has focused on the Big Ten and all of the supposed earth-altering moves they are pondering. In reality, however, the Pac-10 is also looking to expand and has probably been just as aggressive in their attempts at doing so, but just haven’t tried to create the media buzz in the process. That is until now, anyway.

I think the Big Ten has been trying to make a lot of noise in the media purely to scare Notre Dame into thinking the Big East’s sky is falling (which it may well be).

by CarrotTop4 on Jun 7, 2010 10:55 AM CDT reply actions  

SEC fans

Of all the conference fans, I find the SEC fans the most arrogant and ignorant of football outside their own back yard….I am so glad my school is not headed to the Redneck League

by SteerPower on Jun 7, 2010 11:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Then get off our redneck boards

It’ll save both of us some time

Fumbles. It was always Fumbles

by DocFumbles on Jun 7, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

and yet you...

you seem to let us really get under your skin. Why should an intellectual like yourself even be on a low-brow SEC blog like this. Were you just to dumb to navigate through the interwebz???

by RammerJammer23 on Jun 7, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

dont feed the trolls. They are hungry and still pissed we kicked their ass.

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by bammer on Jun 7, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

they may of took-er-jobs

but they won’t take-er-football

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by atcrawford on Jun 7, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

dude doesn't understand basic economics...

when we take one job…

We open up another…

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by tempebamafan on Jun 7, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   4 recs

......or-er-women

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by mulletover on Jun 7, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

At the risk of feeding the troll...

…when you have four straight BCS championships in the league it’s hard to see any other crap that resembles football from the other conferences.

It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.

And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010

by AlabamaJammer on Jun 7, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're already in one.

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by Nico2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

for realz

since when was Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Nebraska known for their class?

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by bammer on Jun 7, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not talking about "class"...

…as I think it’s a ridiculous topic to hurl around in discussions about athletics. I’m simply saying there aren’t a ton of tourist destinations in the Big XII either. Austin, yes. Boulder, yes. I know I’m not taking my next vacation in Manhattan, Kansas or Ames, Iowa or Lubbock, Texas.

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by Nico2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

when someone starts throwing around Redneck, he’s not talking about good things.

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by bammer on Jun 7, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know...

…I was just talking about the whole “flyover country” aspect of things.

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by Nico2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

or Stillwater or Waco or Norman or Columbia

Now, in fairness, Lawrence is kind of fun…and Lincoln is fun on game days

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by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 7, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

douche

steers and queers which are you

"get your ass ready for a streetfight... and i like a streetfight."

by make his ass quit! on Jun 7, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Redneck League

Is there another “back yard” that matters? You better be glad your “school” isn’t headed here. We actually play defense down here, and your W-L record would suffer every year, kind of like what happened in Pasadena.

by Sam Hancock on Jun 7, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

They dirty...they some snitches...

…oh, wait…wrong UT….

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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 8, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's no shade of orange that is suitable for visual consumption.

It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.

And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010

by AlabamaJammer on Jun 8, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

and yet...

you seem to let us really get under your skin. Why should an intellectual like yourself even be on a low-brow SEC blog like this. Were you just to dumb to navigate through the interwebz???

by RammerJammer23 on Jun 7, 2010 11:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I honestly believe that Texas

will eventually blow all this “talk” out of the water. Texas WANTs to stay in the Big 12. They WANT the Big 12 to have its own network. They have it pretty good right now. Why make things harder on themselves?

I’m sure at some point they will turn the screws to the Big 12 members and keep it intact. And at very least, if a team leaves the Big 12 to go to the Big 10, there are plenty of teams to choose from to fill that spot.

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Jun 7, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually,

Texas doesn’t want a Big 12 network. They want a University of Texas network which the Big 12’s policy of allowing all teams to negotiate their own separate TV deals allows.

BCS Evolution -- Punctuating the Equilibrium - twitter

by utesfan100 on Jun 7, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

forgot about that. You're right

But that still means Texas wouldn’t want to leave the Big 12.

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Jun 7, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not so fast
They have it pretty good right now. Why make things harder on themselves?

That’s a reason for Texas not to join the SEC, but a perfect reason for them to join the Pac-umpteen. It will not be any harder on them; in fact, it may even be better.

Texas essentially has most favored nation status in the Big XII because of the conference’s revenue deal. The SEC revenue deal divides TV money evenly I believe. The Pac 10 is so desperate to increase their TV money that they will probably cut Texas a deal. The SEC won’t.

by TETRAGRAMMATON on Jun 7, 2010 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

of course. If

forced to choose between the SEC and Pac-10 the logical choice is the Pac-10. BUT I beleive if given the option, they would rather choose to stay in the Big 12.

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Jun 7, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

ots please understand

these are some freakin’ awesome, very informative posts…but can someone just wake me when this whole thing is over?? i can’t even begin to explain how much tired head this is giving me.

by gerry dorsey on Jun 7, 2010 1:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Join the crowd, I agree...

… but for better or for worse, this could have a huge impact on the fundamental structure of college football, so it’s something you have to be aware of.

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by outsidethesidelines on Jun 7, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

it still sucks though

i hope the SEC doesn’t go full retard and expand to 16 teams like all these other dipshit conferences…

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by tempebamafan on Jun 7, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never go full retard...

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 7, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

his facial hair is almost exxactly the same in Iron Man...

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Jun 7, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about...

…his scrotal hair?

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 7, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

If thats a reference to the movie…i never saw it..

If its not…you’re sick.

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Jun 7, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sick...

…but you should still see the movie….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 7, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

i tried..

got about 45 minutes in and was near suicide.

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Jun 7, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

One man's trash...

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 7, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

is

Tommy Tubberville.

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Jun 7, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which one?

I gave Tropic Thunder a B-. Iron Man a C+.

by CarrotTop4 on Jun 7, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh believe me

i’m already completely sick and tired of the whole thing, and yet i read ever tidbit i can find on it.

by gerry dorsey on Jun 7, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would this move help

Texas’ non-revenue sports? I do not know what Texas is good at other than: swimming, baseball, volleyball, gymnastics?, squash? It seems a wash in football to go to the PAC 10; perhaps, it helps their other sports and if they drag all the other schools of note (excuse me Trinity University of San Antonio) to the PAC 10, all the homebodies will have to play in the PAC 10 and it would level the field, I guess. Thoughts, brethren?

by sho' I stole on Jun 7, 2010 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Seeing ASU and UT in baseball each year would be epic...

It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.

And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010

by AlabamaJammer on Jun 7, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Devils will whoop they ass...

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by tempebamafan on Jun 7, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know y'all hate it when...

…I go dragging soccer into everything, but I recently finished a book on Russian soccer and am currently on one about Brazilian and Argentinian soccer. Both books heavily discussed leagues moving from a regional to a national level and what it did to them in terms of the massive amounts of land separating teams. While the economic and social factors of Brazil and Russia are, needless to say, very different from those of the United States, I sometimes wonder what it’ll do to the intangibles of the game (road trip from Texas A&M to Washington) regarding fans, etc. Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, Ole Miss, etc. are very easy to hate because they’re right here. Kentucky and South Carolina (and to a lesser extent Arkansas) not so much and I wonder how much of that is distance related (though some of it’s clearly related to quality and frequency of playing them as well as history.) I don’t know. So much to think about in all of this.

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by Nico2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

i was too young

to remember or even having a feeling when Arky and SC came into the SEC but I’m sure it took a while for a true “hatred” to form.

It would take twice that time to get the same feeling for a Wazzu/ Baylor game.

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Jun 7, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

didn't take long with arky

they just needed 12 men to participate on a trapped ball (didnt look like a catch live, or during the replay. was simply a very easy to spot trapped ball) to win a game…

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by tempebamafan on Jun 7, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't hate Arky...

…I just hate to lose to Arky…and of course it wasn’t a catch, but water under the bridge….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 7, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

that is very well said

it is hard to hate arky itself. it’s just the way we’ve lost to them (when we have lost to them) that gets under my skin. starting off with that BS game, a few years later was the phantom PI call in the rain. that was total horsesh*t!!!!, as “ricky” would say… then a few years later in 02’ i think? the like 3 or 5 OT game that we lost due to stupid mistakes and, again, piss poor officiating… and then it all culmenates with 06. holy f-in christ how int he hell did we lose that game? i still think it was mitch mustains only college start!!!! (if not, it’s one of a handful) we had them runnign for their lives. had a big lead early. then just Jumbo Formation’d ourselves back into a close game. i wont bother going into how or why tiffin was sent out to attempt a 5th consecutive place kick that would win the game (after he’d missed the first 4….) i will simply say, how the fuck do you play for a field goal to end regulation, much less in OT after getting an INT on arky’s possession……….

The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage

by tempebamafan on Jun 7, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't be angry...

…about the game that brought us CNS….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 7, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

indeed

i was sold on firing Shula from that day forward.

okay then, so, no hard feelings towards arky. and dubose-shula was like being pregnant, and the 06 arky game was childbirth. it was long, tiresome, hard to endure, but worth it. now we have a happy healthy program and can look forward to years of success.

The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage

by tempebamafan on Jun 7, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd it is...

"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"

by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 7, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would hesitantly say

that Russian, Brazilian and Argentinian regional leagues had an easier time of combining into a national league than all four Texas schools will have fitting into a ’roided-up PAC-10. One, a soccer league is exclusive—no other teams in nation may compete at the highest level outside of the league, which is not the case in CFB. Two, there is always the danger of relegation which will not exist in CFB. So in f.a. rules from mid-table down, every team is potentially the one that relegates you and deprives your club of status and league revenue; that creates hate. Without the fear and apprehension of losing money and a spot in the league, it is going to take a long time for Baylor to dislike Oregon St. (if ever).

by sho' I stole on Jun 7, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

All the PAC-10 schools

want Texas, but I am not sure they are ready for Texans, either.

by sho' I stole on Jun 7, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

If we (or other conferences) go to 15 teams

any knowledge on rules for “championship” games which might involve 3 divisions, 3 champions and 1 WC playoff for the SECCG?

I don’t know if allowed, but I can see this being kind of exciting..

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant

by NJBammer on Jun 7, 2010 3:45 PM CDT reply actions  

[sigh]

I heretofor commit to myself to read another expansion piece until it is all settled and signed. As a wise man once said to me…..“Spare me the delivery pains, just give me the damned baby.”

That white stuff on the top of chickencrap...... is chickencrap.

by thrashcan on Jun 7, 2010 5:11 PM CDT reply actions  

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