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Thoughts on Conference Expansion: The Issue of Timing

Currently, the Pac-10, the Big Ten, and the Big XII are in a race against time regarding conference expansion. Less than 48 hours after gaining the power to issue invitations to join an expanded Pac-10, the latest reports have commissioner Larry Scott putting that power to use:

According to Chip Brown of Orangebloods.com, "Scott will start extending invitations formally to six Big 12 schools this week."

Obviously Scott is trying to make this go as fast as possible. But why does timing matter? Yesterday morning I wrote:

That is an elongated response, of course, but the additional words cannot bury the underlying meaning of it. Put simply, if the Pac-10 decides to make a move in the next few weeks, the Big Ten will act immediately. Oh sure they may take their sweet damn time if given but the opportunity, but if the hand is pushed they will respond quickly.

The interesting thing about all of that, however, is that there does not necessarily need be a quick response. Aside from the Texas-to-the-Big-Ten rumors -- which realistically will never happen -- the Pac-10 and the Big Ten are not fighting over the same schools. The Pac-10 is not interested in the viable Big Ten expansion candidates, and by that I mean Notre Dame, Nebraska, Missouri, and schools from the Big East. In that vein, the Pac-10 and Big Ten could expand at their own volition without one being necessarily forced by the other, but in any event it does not seem like either conference will allow that.

Consider that poor writing on my part, as that excerpt perhaps gives the impression that timing is irrelevant because the Pac-10 and the Big Ten are not pursuing the same teams. In reality, however, not only is timing important, quite frankly timing is likely everything.

Why?

The short answer is because, while the two conferences are not pursuing the same schools, the actions of one directly impacts the counter-responses of both conferences seeking to expand and institutions exploring the possibility of joining a new conference.

The long answer requires a bit more of an in-depth look at all of the players involved, so let's delve into that.

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At this point, we are all well aware of the deadline ultimatum that the Big XII recently issued to Nebraska and Missouri regarding their flirtations with an expanded Big Ten. While some have dismissed this as unenforceable on the part of the Big XII, the point remains that this ultimatum -- while admittedly unenforceable -- does play a key role in the developments that will follow. Silence will clearly be interpreted as confirmation of Big Ten flirtations, but if the Big XII is legitimately convinced that Nebraska and Missouri plan to remain members of the Big XII, then suddenly the odds of the Pac-10 successfully pursuing Texas and company are significantly lower. If Nebraska and Missouri remain in the Big XII and the current Big XII structure looks to remain intact, the incentive of Texas and company to spurn the Big XII for the Pac-10 are significantly reduced.

On the other hand, if Nebraska and Missouri either ignore the ultimatum or give an unconvincing response, rest assured that Larry Scott will seize on that instantly. Perhaps in as little as a few minutes, Scott will likely send out offers to Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and either Baylor or Colorado (likely Baylor) to join the expanded Pac-10 Conference. At that point, Texas will have a decision to make... either hold tight in the Big XII and live with the possibility of Nebraska and Missouri deserting the conference -- which would require a frantic search for two replacement members and what all that may entail --  or simply say to hell with it all, give Larry Scott a resounding yes, and watch the Big XII as we know it implode in their wake.

And then there is Notre Dame, who has somehow been somewhat forgotten in recent weeks in expansion talks. It should not be forgotten, however, that in all honesty the ideal scenario for the Big Ten is not to expand to sixteen teams, but to instead get Notre Dame, expand to twelve, and call it a day. To hell with Missouri and Pitt and willingly being the test balloon for the working feasibility of a sixteen team super-conference, the Big Ten has coveted Notre Dame forever now, and they would almost certainly discard any thoughts of adding anyone else if the powers-that-be in South Bend would stamp their golden ticket (no pun intended).

The Fighting Irish, however, are running out of time. By the looks of recent events, they do not have months to make a final decision, as had been indicated by the rough timetable that Big Ten officials have made public.

And simply put, Notre Dame can change everything. To illustrate this point, consider the following hypothetical... tomorrow morning, Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick calls Big Ten offices and speaks the following sentence, "All right, Notre Dame has decided it would be in our best interest to join the Big Ten." Then what happens?

Notre Dame becomes a member of the Big Ten. With a twelfth team in place, the Big Ten likely calls it a day and ends there, splitting into two divisions and scheduling a Big Ten Championship Game. Nebraska and Missouri have the proverbial door slammed in their faces, and they have no choice but to remain in the Big XII. The Big East institutions that would otherwise spurn their current conference are likewise locked in. The Pac-10 may still expand, but with Nebraska and Missouri being locked into the Big XII, it would be almost impossible for them to pull off a coup with the likes of Texas and Oklahoma. They may still expand by two teams in order to become a twelve team conference, but they would almost certainly lose out on any potential headliner additions and would instead have to settle with two choices from the likes of Colorado, Boise, Utah, and BYU. Meanwhile, the SEC would retain its current format, and both the Big East and the ACC would survive in their current form.

And again, all that would be required for that scenario to play is for Jack Swarbrick to wake up tomorrow morning and say, "All right, Notre Dame has decided it would be in our best interest to join the Big Ten."

Oh, and yes, guess what? Well look what we have here...

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I've said it many times before and I will say reiterate it again here... Notre Dame, despite all of their previous denials, will get one final chance at joining the Big Ten. The Fighting Irish are just entirely too big of a prize and they have been coveted entirely too long by the Big Ten for that not to be the case. Maybe they turn them down yet again, but then again maybe they finally say yes. Either way, the question here is time.

If Notre Dame waits too long -- and in the current context, "too long" may mean merely another week (if that long) -- then they transform themselves from the ultimate power player to just another hapless bystander along for the ride. If the Big Ten indeed moves on with Nebraska and Missouri, which leaves the Big XII in turmoil, and teams from the Big East, suddenly Notre Dame either has to remain independent or be willing to join a 16-team Big Ten (something they would likely never consider). Put simply, it's now or never for Notre Dame and their independent status, and their decision will likely alter the landscape of college football one way or the other.

For the SEC, of course, time doesn't matter. With Texas all but off the table, the teams that the SEC will expand with will all be available even after the Big Ten and the Pac-10 finish doing whatever they are going to do, so for now the SEC is just munching on its proverbial popcorn. Likewise, the Mountain West has decided it to be in their best interest to just watch for a while and then try their hand at expansion in the wake of everyone else's moves:

Speaking at a press conference that's still ongoing as I type this, commissioner Craig Thompson announced that the conference would not be expanding, which means Boise State will remain in the WAC.  For now.

Citing the uncertainty on the collegiate landscape, Thompson stated that the conference's board opted not to make a decision to expand at this time.

The Pac-10, the Big Ten, and the Big XII, however, have no such luxury. Time is not just a factor here, it could very well be the determining factor. The notion that the Big Ten has been purporting for some time now, that the process would be slow and deliberate and that expansion would not happen for months, looks highly unlikely to come to fruition. Unless something happens to apply the brakes, it seems that the expansion movement may break in the coming days and the institutions that fire the first shot will play a major role in how expansion will play out across the college football landscape.

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Something I've been thinking about lately,

especially given the current outsider status of Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State, is what will happen to basketball given that the worst case scenario happens. Everybody’s just assuming that if the big three conferences all expand to 16 teams that the leftovers from the Big East and the ACC will just cobble together. But think about that for a second. There will be 8 ACC teams (after 3 go to the SEC), 5 Big East teams (after 3 go to the Big 10) and 3 Big 12 teams (not counting Colorado who would likely go the MWC). It seems natural that those 16 teams would come together to form some sort of Big ACC. But think about what does to basketball. The Big East would still have 17 teams, including Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, and a number of other teams that don’t play football, and they would be merging with conferences that contain North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, and Kansas State. Assuming that the Big 10 doesn’t take Syracuse or UCONN, that would give this new conference 8 of the last 10 men’s basketball titles, with Florida’s back-to-back championships being the only exception.

Now, obviously, it’s far more likely that the 12 non-football schools would break off from the 16 football schools rather than form a 28-team super-duper conference. But I think I could get behind a conference with 5 of the 7 winningest programs in college basketball history.

by rugman11 on Jun 8, 2010 11:00 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

As long as...

…we’re not members of that conference, fine. I don’t think we’re ready to play those five every year for a conference title.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 8, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I'm not mistaken,

it is the PAC-10’s renegotiation of its TV contracts that is pushing the schedule on all this. They start that when? This coming January, I think?

The PAC-10 is trying to push forward the schedule because of that, BUT as you say the Big 10’s plans (and NE and MO’s) are really what is going to be the deciding factor. And the Big 10 doesn’t want to be (nor need to be) so rushed. So I think the Pac 10 will likely offer Texas and company invites but they will likely turn them down. Then the Pac 10 will turn to Utah and Colorado. That’s my hunch anyway.

by CarrotTop4 on Jun 8, 2010 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

The PAC 10 would be crazy to take the Texas schools

The tv money might be better but all of a sudden you have a three time zone conference. Also you are adding schools with money and alumni not afraid to spend it(as we saw at the title game this year) which would relegate half of the existing conference to also ran status the Washington/Arizona/bay area schools will not be able to compete with Texas/Texas tech/ Texas a&m.
Past PAC 10 expansion has been for regional schools ready to move up to a bigger stage (Az, Az St) not big fish looking for a new pond. If the PAC 10 was to take Boise, Fresno and others like that it would be better served as a conference.

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by Ghost of seven in a row on Jun 8, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't disagree...

…except that half of the existing conference already has also ran status….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 8, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great Write Up

I wonder how that Notre Dame Big East contract is written. I’m sure they probably have an out clause if the football team joins another conference.

by Bobby Briggs on Jun 8, 2010 11:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Just to stir the pot a bit more

I keep asking myself, why is the PAC-10 suddenly in a hurry to exand? Could it be impending doom for USC, and that they would need other teams to come in and take their place?

…. I could be way off base, but just a thought…..

by Big_Al_Fan on Jun 8, 2010 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

It's funny...........

I was thinking the same thing. There is NO other team that stands out in the PAC10 and hasn’t been in many years. I think this move has become a do or die move for them and they see Texas as the cashcow, pun intended, that could save them as a whole. If usc goes down hard, and with kiffykins at the helm guiding their future, and with the pac10 having had to ride the trojans, pun intended again, wouldn’t you want to find another solution rather than pin your hopes on lame kiffykins?

the pac10 is also jealous of all the money that is being produced by all the other conferences and they see their part of the pie getting smaller and little teams like boise st taking away from there west coast dominance, which isn’t saying much. This has everything to do with money and pride and very little to do with anything else.

I don't mind bad news, and I don't mind good news, but I can't stand surprises! Coach Nick Saban

by jtCRIMSON on Jun 8, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guys

Not to be a jerk, but that’s a bit of a narrow view. Unless they actually get the death penalty, nothing against USC will affect the Pac 10 conference 15, 20, 25 years from now. If the Pac 10 wants to expand, they aren’t doing it because the USC football program may be on probation for a couple of years. They are doing it because they want to be rich for the next 30 years. Not relevant in football for the next 5.

by Bobby Briggs on Jun 8, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

couldn't agree more..

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Jun 8, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have never

been more of a fan of ND as I am right now..PLEASE ND do the right thing and spare college football from being destroyed!

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Jun 8, 2010 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

how do you know it will be destroyed?

How do you know that having 4 or 5 superconferences wouldn’t be better? 4 or 5 super conferences could blow up the BCS. Hell this could be the best thing for College Football, we don’t know.

What I do know is that back in the day, talking 80 years ago, that’s all there was 4 or 5 large conferences and a bunch of independent teams, and it was a golden age of college football.

I say bring it on.

by tebunker on Jun 8, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its one thing to expand...

And its another thing to do what the Pac-10 is trying to do. Going to 16 teams is an awful idea. College football revolves around two major things.

1. Rivalries

2. Bowl Games

If you start going to 16 teams in a league, the opportunity to play certain rivalries will most certainly be taken away. The Pac-10 folks have been bitching for years about how the SEC doesn’t even play every team in their league..but yet it can crown a “champion”. Well how the hell do you expect to play all 15 teams in your league with only a 12 game schedule…hypocrisy much?

Bowl games will more than likely be pointless. There are certain matchups in bowl games that have been around for more than just a few years. How can you have a big12/ SEC matchup in the Cotton bowl if there is no longer a Big 12.

Have you even given a thought to the teams that are completely getting screwed for no good reason? Kansas, K-state, Iowa State, possibly Colorado? How about the Big East schools who will get shafted?

There is a lot more at stake than just a couple teams from the Big 12 leaving for possibly greener pastures.

Its my opinion that this move will change College football forever and not for the better.

When you start messing with the foundation of the sport we love its not hard to think that it will eventually crumble.

The Pac-10 is doing this for one reason and one reason only $$$$$$$$$$$. and when you start making decision based soley on the almighty $ usually logic takes a back seat.

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Jun 8, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Bowl tie-ins

aren’t going to that big of a deal. After all, the Cotton Bowl’s SEC tie-in only started in 1999. The Gator Bowl is ditching the ACC and Big East after 15 years for the SEC and Big Ten this year. The one that might is the Rose Bowl. It has a quite a bit of pull and has made it known in the past that it does not like having a non Big 10-Pac 10 matchup. The 2003 Rose Bowl (Oklahoma-Washington State) was the first non-sellout since 1947. I don’t know about you, but a Texas Tech-Rutgers Rose Bowl doesn’t exactly make me excited.

by rugman11 on Jun 8, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

probably the one aspect changed the most would be bowl games but wouldn’t you have to do away with half of them?

Can’t really make a bowl game with two teams from the same conference.

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Jun 8, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'd have to change the conference tie-ins but I think it would still work.

Even if (at the extreme) you only had 2 conferences with 50 teams in each, each team from one conference could just play a team from the other. No need to play within the conference.

by CarrotTop4 on Jun 8, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

idk.

If you have less conferences, wouldn’t that ultimately reduce the possible matchups?

"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran

by bammer on Jun 8, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

No because there would be more teams in each conference.

Currently the SEC only has, what, 8 or 9 bowl tie-ins. If we added 4 teams, then we could probably have 11 or so tie-ins. Same for the Big Televesixteen and the Pac-teen. So more of our teams would be playing agains more of their teams.

by CarrotTop4 on Jun 8, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Welcome to the 2013 Independence Bowl."

“LIVE from Shreveport, our game features the Clemson Tigers, who finished 13th in the SEC and the Missouri Tigers, the 12th place Big Ten team.”

by rugman11 on Jun 8, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   3 recs

Some other questions

How would a decision to expand by the SEC happen? Does Mike Slive have autonomy? Would the presidents of each university have to vote? If so, what’s the vote got to be? 12-0? 7-5? Something else?

And even amongst the Alabama’s and Florida’s, if a conference title (in any sport) is rare now, its certainly not going to happen more often in a 16 team conference. Not that this decision will be based on those concerns, but it can’t help.

Lastly, how much more money is out there for a 16 team SEC, when you are splitting things 16 ways? And will it outweigh the new expenses with travel and I’m sure many other things I’m not thinking of?

by Bobby Briggs on Jun 8, 2010 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Bc of our contracts w ESPN & CBS,

There’s no need for a network. If I’m not mistaken, the member institutions retain the rights to the lesser broadcasts (coaches’ radio shows, baseball games, ooc basketball games, etc) and make a boatload of cash licensing those independently, whereas the big 10 schools relinquish their rights to The Network.

"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim

"This is not the end. This is the beginning." - The Great and Powerful Saban

by Thomas Walker Esq on Jun 8, 2010 1:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think that's right...

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Jun 8, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

found it
The new TV agreements are expected to double the SEC’s revenue from its previous contracts, another reason why the conference is not expected to pursue its own network.
The [university’s] deal will give Sun Sports, a regional sports network that reaches 6 million homes in Florida, a bundle of multimedia rights that includes everything from local TV, broadband and radio to on-site signage and corporate partnerships. The rights include tape-delayed football, men’s and women’s basketball, baseball and Olympic sports. One of Sun Sports’ most profitable shows is "Breakfast with the Gators," a Sunday morning replay of the previous day’s football game.

citation

"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim

"This is not the end. This is the beginning." - The Great and Powerful Saban

by Thomas Walker Esq on Jun 8, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn, forgot to add
The deal will pay Florida’s marketing arm, the University Athletic Association, roughly $10 million a year for the next 10 years.

Schools are making too much money to give up all their media rights to the conference. I imagine ours are just as lucrative right now.

"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim

"This is not the end. This is the beginning." - The Great and Powerful Saban

by Thomas Walker Esq on Jun 8, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'll never forget watching the inaugural broadcast on the big ten network

yeah i remember it like it was yesterday… the proud, tradition rich University of Michigan Wolverines, ranked 5th int he country, versus the plucky, defending D-1AA champions of Appalachian State….

The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage

by tempebamafan on Jun 8, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

My

identical experience. That was the first game I ever watched on the BTN. When App St. blocked the field goal and ran it back, that was the first time I ever got out of my chair and jumped up and down screaming during a non-Bama contest.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jun 8, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I'm not mistaken...

… it takes a vote of eight institutions to allow a new member.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Jun 8, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Roughly

65%. Almost like amending the Constitution.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jun 8, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except this is far more important...

"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy

(Formerly SugarBowl93)

by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jun 8, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

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