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Remembering 1986

Bill Connelly and the guys over at Football Outsiders are continuing their countdown of the top 100 college football teams of all-time, and in their most recent installment they reveal their #49 team: the 1986 Penn State Nittany Lions. Most of you will probably remember that team well given their monumental victory over Miami in the 1987 Fiesta Bowl. Jerry Sandusky's defensive schemes confused Heisman Trophy winner Vinny Testaverde all night long, and the five interceptions he threw created the path for national championship number two for Joe Paterno.

Interestingly enough, in that article Connelly also discusses the showdown Penn State had that year with Alabama:

As Miami grew in fame, Penn State worked mostly under the radar. They didn't play a ranked team until the end of October, when they traveled to Tuscaloosa to take on No. 2 Alabama. This was their lone opportunity to prove themselves, and they did so, to say the least. Alabama was averaging 266 rushing yards per game, but the Nittany Lions held them to just 44, sacking Alabama quarterback Mike Shula five times and forcing five turnovers. Their 23-3 win vaulted them from No. 6 to No. 2 in the polls, where they would stay the rest of the regular season.

We've been talking quite a bit here lately about eras from days gone by, and with that in mind the build-up to this game was the height of the Perkins era. Coming into the '86 season we were #2 in the country and many thought it'd finally be the year Perkins brought the national championship back to Tuscaloosa. We started off the year 7-0 with wins over Ohio State (in Giants Stadium), Florida, Notre Dame, and Tennessee, and everyone was eyeballing a potential showdown against Miami. Penn State was widely regarded as a quality foe -- they had beaten us the year before in a thriller in State College, 19-17 -- but we were favored and most thought that the Nittany Lions had feasted on a weak schedule and would ultimately be unable to handle the battle-tested Tide.

Of course, though, Paterno and his Nittany Lions smoked us like cheap cigars in Tuscaloosa. We took the early 3-0 lead with a Van Tiffin field goal, but we were dominated after that. The Penn State defense was an immovable object and their offense consistently moved the chains with a well-balanced attack. It was about as close of a game as the 23-3 final score indicated.

And that, really, was the apogee of Ray Perkins' tenure. Two weeks later, we threw away the SEC Championship with an inexcusable loss to LSU in Legion Field. We dominated in total yards, but lost a nailbiter 14-10 thanks in large part to four turnovers deep in Bayou Bengal territory. Three weeks after that loss, it was another debacle in Legion Field, this time losing the Iron Bowl 21-17. Alabama ended the third quarter with a 17-7 lead, but Brent Fullwood scored on the first play of the fourth quarter on a long touchdown run, and Lawyer Tillman scored a touchdown on a reverse in the final thirty seconds to give Auburn the narrow win.

Alabama went from being serious national championship contenders in late October to losing three of its final five games. For the late season collapse, the Tide was rewarded with a trip to the wonderful sunny, drug-smuggling mecca better known as El Paso, Texas. In the process, Ray Perkins cemented his legacy as a winning coach who simply couldn't quite get the ultimate prizes of conference championships and national titles. Days later, he accepted fellow 'Bama alum Hugh Culverhouse's offer to coach the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and the Perkins era officially came to an end. Enter Bill Curry.

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For the late season collapse, the Tide was rewarded with a trip to the wonderful sunny, drug-smuggling mecca better known as El Paso, Texas.

Awesome line…I didn’t know cheapo-extraordinaire Hugh Culverhouse was a Bama alum.

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by Bamagrad on Jul 14, 2010 8:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I assume he had something to do with the Culverhouse College of Commerce and Business Administration. Also, just noticed this in Hugh’s wikipedia article:

In 2002, Hugh, Jr. donated $1 million to the football program at Grambling State University, where Doug Williams was now the coach, as a way to make up for the way his father had forced him out of Tampa 20 years before

by Alabama ManDance on Jul 14, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

He gave a boatload of money to CBA and they named it after him. I don’t know how much it took, but I’m sure it was quite a bit. When I was last there in 2005 they were trying to sell the name to the top floor of the Bruno Library (business school library), and they were asking three million for that. No telling what kind of money he had to give.

Anyway, from what I’ve read on Culverhouse he wasn’t so much a true cheapskate as much as he was just a frugal spender unwilling to throw a bunch of money down a black hole. The Bucs were a terrible team and he knew that being in a microscopic market there was no way he could ever spend big money in the market and not drown in a sea of red ink as a result. They tried to do it cheap, but obviously that didn’t work.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Jul 14, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if this

would give us the upperhand to sign James Wilder, Jr. His daddy was one of the few stars for the Bucs in the mid-1980’s. As I recall—and this is going through a lot of thick booze cobwebs—the elder Wilder led the NFL in rushing once. Maybe the Bucs/Bama connection will work in our favor.

Of course he does look a little stiff when he runs and some schools are recruiting him as a linebacker…what-evs

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by Bamagrad on Jul 14, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds right, but...

… I’m kind of like you. When I see a 6’2, 225 pound kid out there, looks like a linebacker to me.

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by outsidethesidelines on Jul 14, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perkins may have made a big mistake...

…when he went to Tampa, but the Bucs made a bigger mistake when they used their #1 pick on Testaverde instead of, say, Cornelius Bennett. I couldn’t believe that Perkins didn’t get/take the chance to coach Biscuit again…of course, Tampa Bay only had Steve DeBerg and Steve Young on the roster in 86-87, so you can see why they wanted a QB….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 14, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The linked article reminds me...

I haven’t seen a Pythagorean Wins write up this year. Are you planning to do one?

by zeke2029 on Jul 14, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes...

… should be up fairly soon.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Jul 14, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could anyone

suggest any good reading on the Perkins / Curry era? I’ve read a good deal from the Bryant era, remember the Stallings Era and after pretty well, and OTS has had some great stuff about Stallings and the down years to boot. I was born in ‘82, however, and don’t remember much about ’80s Alabama football. Any help?

I’ve enjoyed these flashes back to the past. The content this offseason has been very good (props to Kleph for hanging in there while everyone else was busy). Thanks for the post, OTS.

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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jul 14, 2010 9:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I got to interview Ray Perkins in '86.

Spring of ‘86, at the Jon Hand Day event in Sylacauga. Can’t recall to this day what I asked him; something about spring practice and the QB situation. And about Hand. Perkins had that look-right-through-you 1000-yard stare. He was pretty impressive to a 22-year-old radio reporter and Alabama grad.

Asked Hand what he thought about playing right away vs. paying his dues with a winner in the NFL…? He laughed, said he’d be glad to go period, and whoever took him would certainly give him a fair chance to prove himself.

After the miracle comeback wins (GA, AU) and tie (LSU) of ’85, when we only lost twice by 2 points, it seemed like ’86 could be our year.

People told me they heard from our players that there was no special game plan or prep for Penn State in ’86 — just business as usual. Paterno out-coached Perkins on that one.

by Jeff Jones on Jul 14, 2010 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Paterno out-coached...

…a few other coaches over the last decade or five….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 14, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

So our OOC schedule that season was

Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Penn State? Wow! Those were the days, eh?!

The Ohio State game was probably the Pigskin (or Kickoff?) Classic, as I remember. So that probably was done because playing in that one allowed us to play an additional game for that season. But still, that’s an amazing schedule.

by CarrotTop4 on Jul 14, 2010 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Kickoff Classic

Think that’s the one we won 16-10. Ohio State got 2-3 interference calls on us (2 on Derrick Thomas?) at the end and put a big scare into us.

This was right after Willie Ryles died, too.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-08-27/sports/8603040183_1_jim-karsatos-willie-ryles-alabama-quarterback-mike-shula

by Jeff Jones on Jul 14, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Talk about a hell of an OOC schedule!

Of course, those were the days when we only played 6 conf. games. Still, that’s a great lineup.

by TiderInTN on Jul 14, 2010 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Exactly...

You have to keep in mind that was the days of a six game conference schedule and that the SEC in terms of competitive power was nowhere near what it is today. At the time, playing a difficult OOC schedule was largely considered a requirement, not a choice.

In many ways, as much as people want to complain about it, the real driving force behind the creampuff OOC scheduling in recent times has been the expansion of the conference schedule. You go from having six conference games to having eight plus a conference championship game (all against a much tougher conference slate). And oh yes, you’re also going to have to do it with fewer scholarship players. When faced with that, it’s insane to even think about loading up on the OOC schedules, so you go in search of creampuffs.

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by outsidethesidelines on Jul 14, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is something the Pac-10 fans don't get

Most of my friends in California are fans of Pac-10 teams and they howl to the moon about the SEC’s “easy” OOC schedules. They don’t understand that when teams make their schedules they’re preparing for the possibility of playing in the SEC championship game. That means in addition to the conference slate an SEC team will have to win a neutral site road game against a top 10 (at least top 15 in most cases) team. It’s easy to schedule two or three OOC games against BCS conference opponents when you don’t have to win a playoff game at the end of the season.

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by Bamagrad on Jul 14, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not the one making the decisions...

While I understand the logic in scheduling creampuff OOC games to offset the conference schedule, why not schedule bottom/lower tier BCS teams as opposed to creampuff OOC teams?

by CaliforniaTide on Jul 14, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Home games.

At least that’s what I would guess. To schedule other BCS teams you would be looking at doing home and homes. While they aren’t marquee games, the creampuffs generate a lot of money since they are home games.

Gotta get paid.

by TiderInTN on Jul 14, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep. Even with Duke we had to give them a home-and-home.

So that’s a home game off our schedule for 1 year. The San Jose States of the world don’t require a return engagement at their place.

by CarrotTop4 on Jul 14, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's one reason,

That’s one reason, and the other is that there is generally a pretty steep drop-off between a bottom-end BCS conference school and a true creampuff non-BCS school. If you wanted to quantify it on a Madden-type scale, a bottom end non-BCS team like a North Carolina State or Colorado would probably come in around a 60 or a 65. A true creampuff, though, like a Middle Tennessee State or a ULL is probably no more than a 35 or a 40. Big difference there.

With the creampuffs, even if you play poorly, you can generally outlast your way to victory against those schools because of the disparities in depth. Against a bona fide BCS school, though, that’s not going to be the same case. Take our performance last year against FIU. We didn’t play well, but still cruised to any victory. But if you take out FIU and put in NC State, you’ve got a much greater fight on your hands.

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by outsidethesidelines on Jul 14, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent job...

…not mentioning ULM in this comment….

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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 14, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

You see what I did there...

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by outsidethesidelines on Jul 14, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't realize the difference in SEC scheduling.

So we added 2 SEC games to the schedule (potentially 3 with the CG) and dropped 2 BCS-level OOC games. Makes sense. Of course the season also got longer, but as you say the SEC got tougher too. 6 of potato, half a dozen of tomato…

by CarrotTop4 on Jul 14, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

6 of potAHto, half a dozen of tomAYto…

You could have at least chosen an idiom that rhymed….

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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jul 14, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would prefer not to remember 1986...

….if it’s all the same to you. Fuck the reverse!

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by Todd on Jul 14, 2010 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

1986 featured the greatest NLCS game in baseball history

Game 6. The Mets had to win or they would have faced Mike Scott and his forkball in the Dome for Game 7. Oh what Hal Lanier would have given to have Billy Wagner circa 1999 in that series. The Amazin’ Mets wouldn’t have been so Amazin’.

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by Bamagrad on Jul 14, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Greatest baseball postseason ever

1986 featured the greatest MLB postseason in baseball history. Astros-Mets was classic, Angels-Sox was classic (and I say this as an Angel fan still bearing scars from this MF’in playoff), and Mets-Sox, while overrated, is still probably the 10th best World Series ever. When the weak link of a postseason is the 1986 WS, you’re probably talking about a pretty special postseason.

By contrast, the Penn State-Miami championship game was terrible. Does anyone here remember suffering through that misfire? I’m not sure I’ve seen a sloppier 1 vs 2, with 1 and 2 being discussed at the time in dynastic terms. I know that Bama-Texas wasn’t particularly easy on the eyes, but it was a country mile ahead of the crapfest that was PSU v Da U.

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by pantsfucious on Jul 14, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least...

…Miami lost….

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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 14, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow. 1986 sounds a lot like 2007

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by Zoltar on Jul 14, 2010 11:51 AM CDT reply actions  

It wasn't...

…that bad, but it practically felt that way, since our expectations were so high. Imagine, if you will, that we went 11-3 this year, but our losses came at LSU, to Auburn, and in the SECCG after beating PSU, Arky, UF, SC, UT…and losing those games by fumbling two of them away and getting our a$$es handed to us in the other. We had Bobby Humphrey, Mike Shula, Cornelius Bennett, some kid named Derrick Thomas…. It was just disappointing.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 14, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very Nice Remembrance, Thank you!

266 to 44 is real fun to see again. You got us plenty in that 10yr 80’s series, but 85 and 86 we were loaded. Thanks especially for this:

Of course, though, Paterno and his Nittany Lions smoked us like cheap cigars in Tuscaloosa. We took the early 3-0 lead with a Van Tiffin field goal, but we were dominated after that. The Penn State defense was an immovable object and their offense consistently moved the chains with a well-balanced attack. It was about as close of a game as the 23-3 final score indicated.

Damn, we gonna have some fun in September….

Since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has a record of 103-2 in games where they score 30 points or more. Of course, which college football team doesn't have a similar record.

by jtothep on Jul 14, 2010 6:34 PM CDT reply actions  

El Paso?

I thought we went to the Sun Bowl under Curry and beat Army…after the 88 season?

by crimson9282 on Jul 14, 2010 9:59 PM CDT reply actions  

We did...

…but we also went there and beat Washington in 86. Bennett had one of the finest games I’ve ever seen by an LB. He didn’t light up the stat sheet, but he was around the ball on every single play, run or pass.

It’s almost unfair to all other college football teams the number of truly great LBs we’ve had at the Capstone.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 14, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right...

… we beat Army in the Sun Bowl in a shitfest to end the 1988 season. As NLS mentions, though, we beat up on Washington there a couple of years earlier.

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by outsidethesidelines on Jul 14, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

86 was a year

we could have easily won a NC and if we had Perkins may have stayed.

I went to the PSU game…it was bad weather and the team that played the 1st 7 games did not show up that day. We just did not compete.

I think if we had won that game we may have run the table. The whole season went south after PSU. It looked like Perkins had lost interest.

Funny, but at the time I thought it was the biggest loss of Ray Perkins life. Who knows how but his career may have turned out totally different if we had beaten PSU. I actually think Perkins was not far from being a good college coach. He could have won some titles at Bama.

As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.

by 5026 on Jul 15, 2010 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

1986

my baptism of fire as a bama fan.

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by kleph on Jul 17, 2010 8:35 AM CDT reply actions  

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