Florida is internally investigating what sources described as an allegation that a representative of an agent paid [Maurkice] Pouncey $100,000 between the Gators' loss to Alabama in the Southeastern Conference championship game to Alabama and their season-ending Sugar Bowl victory over Cincinnati.
ESPN's Pat Forde
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i would ask for a hat tip…but that would mean im a douche and would be banned by my own proposed rule..so i wont :)
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
actually...
i posted it after seeing one of the espn twitter feeds. but, yeah, you beat me by a solid three minutes.
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lol
i really dont care…
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we do...
fanshots like that are a key part of keeping everyone up-to-date with what’s going on of interest to us all. this was a close one but, very often, y’all have the 411 before any of us in the RBR junta have any idea something is breaking.
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douche
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by BamaReturns07 on Jul 19, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
get a job
I voted for Kleph and all I got was this lousy t-shirt
by BamaReturns07 on Jul 19, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah i just lost my job....
They always freak out when you leave the scene of an accident…
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by bammer on Jul 19, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I got worms
Auburn fans are like slinkys... not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
by IHC800 on Jul 19, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm tempebamafan
and i approved this message…
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by tempebamafan on Jul 19, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
you have what?
I got worms..thats what we are gonna call our store…
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Man, I hope that's not true.
There’s not a team in the SEC I’d want to see get hit with any NCAA punishment, or even to draw the NCAA’s attention.
Well, if Tennessee gets smacked around a little I might think that was just karma. Won’t wish it on ‘em, but won’t cry if/when it happens. Gonna take a LOT of Dooley to cleanse the stench of Kiffen and Fulmer.
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this one might be good news for us...
chase goodbread points out that the florida case is different from the unc and usc ones is in terms of remaining eligibility. or, to put it another way, only florida (thus far) is looking at a case where a player who took the field may have been involved.
so, according to espn, sometime between the SECCG and the bowl game the player and agent had some kind of contact. florida discovered it some time later and then reported it to the NCAA. now dial back a year and recall the situation with andre. sometime between the SECCG and the bowl game the player and the agent had some kind of contact. but alabama officials discovered it, investigated and chose to keep andre from playing in the game.
so even with what little we know about these cases, the evidence suggests that saban has put in place a very efficient system for identifying and dealing with these issues when they occur. i also imagine that is bolstered by a ton of education for the players on the problem and how they are expected to respond to it.
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My guess is that this is less a system Saban has put in place and more one that compliance has been allowed institute.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 19, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
in "How Good Do You Want To Be"
Saban talks about the importance of a compliance staff and a little bit about how he likes to run it. while i dont have any specific quotes to give you (my brother has the book and wont read it. loser…) my guess is Saban has his hands all over the Compliance office.
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by tempebamafan on Jul 19, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe at the lower levels, but compliances offices aren’t really supposed to be subservient to coaches, that’s how you end up with trouble like USC had. Of course, compliance can’t do much without the cooperation fo the Athletic Department and the teams, but you can bet it’s not Saban that stays up late at night reading NCAA infractions reports and deciding what’s kosher and what’s not.
That said, there’s no doubt in my mind that Saban makes it a point to take what the compliance office tells him as the gospel and commits as much of it to memory as possible. In the end, though, running the compliance office isn’t really his job, nor do I suspect he has time for that shit.
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agreed. perhaps "hands all over" was not the right choice of words
he sees the importance of a meaningful and vigilant Compliance office. and like you said, he doesn’t have time for the minutiae of day to day operations. and again like you said, “compliance can’t do much without the cooperation fo the Athletic Department” Saban is the Athletic Department for all intents and purposes. To the extent that they are fully independent i’m not sure, but i bet you Saban and Mal Moore hear any news from Compliance before anyone else, and from there, the decisions are made.
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by tempebamafan on Jul 19, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
You know, I hadn’t ever really thought about it in such specific terms before, but given all that ‘Bama has endured on Moore’s watch on account of NCAA infractions, I’d guess the one thing Saban has no liberty on is doing what compliance says. We stand to lose far more than Saban is worth if we go all Southern Cal on compliance.
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Yep...
Our Compliance Dept now search students’ papers/records/statements like the Gestapo, I’m sure.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 19, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
We've always known that :)
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by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 19, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Agents
Off with their heads!
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by TideFanAtlanta on Jul 19, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions
I think this is a non-issue...
The basic timeline we have here is that sometime between the loss to Alabama in Atlanta and the Sugar Bowl victory, Pouncey may have taken 100k from an agent. Florida apparently found out in June, notified the NCAA and the law enforcement agencies immediately, and have cooperated since.
Even if that’s true, I don’t see it being an issue. Obviously if Pouncey took the money then the Gators would have to vacate the Sugar Bowl victory, but that’s probably not a major loss for them really, in the grand scheme of things anyway. If there is nothing more to this story than has been reported, I really don’t see where they’ll be in a whole lot of hot water.
I tend to think this is very different from a deal like we have with UNC. In that situation they are faced with the possible need to suspend key players in what ultimately could be baseless allegations, or play them and risk getting hit hard by the NCAA. Furthermore, if this is an isolated incident in Gainesville, that’s very different from the UNC situation where you have several players being questioned.
Regardless, I just hope this whole thing steers clear of Tuscaloosa.
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by outsidethesidelines on Jul 19, 2010 12:40 PM CDT reply actions
well thats 2 years in a row a non BCS school has won the Sugar
Cinci and the big east dont still count as BCS schools do they?
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by tempebamafan on Jul 19, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
dont tell orin hatch
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by tempebamafan on Jul 19, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Cincy would have won if Pouncey hadn't played...
…and, of course, if Colt McCoy hadn’t gotten hurt….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 19, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
well, remember one thing...
if this proves to be true then pouncy would have been an ineligible player, thereby giving florida an unfair advantage (if i understand the logic behind such forfeits). mccoy, on the other hand, was a legal player and texas could have left him in the game if they so chose. but, given his physical limitation, their coaches believed playing the backup bettered their chances to win the game.
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you know...
this is all more than a little amusing to me after hearing the nigh-universal dismissal of our protests about the ncaa’s handling of the textbook issue. and now everyone else is facing the barrel of the gun they are suddenly a little more sympathetic to our arguments. beautiful.
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true, and it makes you wonder...
…how much better our complaints against six bye-week opponents would be received if the cleats were on the other feet.
by Queen of the Universe on Jul 19, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
One more thing
I’m not trying to be a Florida apologist here, but just being realistic I imagine situations like that alleged here are probably in fact pretty common.
Does anyone really believe that all of these highly-touted NFL Draft prospects wait until after they declare for the NFL Draft to line up agreements with agents? Especially when, after the regular season ends and the decision has been all but made, athletes are looking to take out an insurance policy just in case something happens in the bowl game?
Again, truth be told, I imagine arrangements like this are pretty common. Kids find agents they like, and they make a handshake agreement a few weeks in advance for some relatively small cash advance. That doesn’t make it right, of course, but I’m sure it happens.
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by outsidethesidelines on Jul 19, 2010 12:46 PM CDT reply actions
after we got raped on the textbook situation...
and repeat raped on the appeal i want everyone to get slammed as hard as possible so they’ll realize we were right about the problems with the association’s sanctioning process.
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We can't be right
‘cause we’re from Aaaa-laaa-baaa-maa.
Haters gonna hate.
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by animalcracker on Jul 19, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Athletes and agents...
Are allowed to meet, provided the situation is something like junior year college football player that stands to be drafted in the NFL Draft. The player in question can meet with agents to determine which ones he likes. The things that cannot happen is an advanced incentive to sign with that agent (i.e., $100,000 in advance).
I agree with OTS. It wouldn’t surprise me that these situations regularly happen (where some incentive is used to sign with the agent). I just wonder how it goes from a secret deal made to the NCAA knowing. The only thing I can think of is another agent finding out about the deal, and rats them out.
by CaliforniaTide on Jul 19, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
you see this is the problem with all this...
if there is a flat ban on players (or their represenatives/family) meeting and interacting with agents then essentially what will happen is that highly sought guys will have just a few weeks after their last game to get an agent and get ready for the draft. and that’s more than a little unfair for the athlete if you think about it. that first contract is going to dictate everything they make from then on in the pros and if they don’t have a good way to evaluate their professional representative, that could cost them dearly down the road.
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and if your response to that includes
having the university and athletic department help the athletes through the process… keep in mind these are the very staffers they are in the process of making schools eliminate due to “unfair advantages.”
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I just wonder how it goes from a secret deal made to the NCAA knowing. The only thing I can think of is another agent finding out about the deal, and rats them out.
That’s probably the most common way these illicit deals come to light. That was the case with Reggie Bush; keep in mind that had Bush upheld his end of the deal, we never hear the first word about any transgressions on the part of USC. A similar situation could be playing out at UNC, where perhaps legitimate agents cried foul when they felt their chances of getting a player were reduced by the illicit conduct of other agents.
There are other ways to find out, though, too, many of which are grounded in pure stupidity. For example, one of the major tip-offs with Mario Austin was his trip to South Beach, and now it seems like the NCAA may have found out about the trip via his Twitter page (which has, naturally, since been deleted).
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by outsidethesidelines on Jul 19, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting... or perhaps I should say expected...
Pouncey’s agent is Joel Segal. Two key points stand out on his resume:
(1) He signed Reggie Bush after the so-called once-in-a-generation player spurned his prior associates.
(2) He was suspended by the NFL for a year in the mid-1990’s for sending money to an FSU player under an assumed name, and for not being registered in the state of Florida.
Again, given that background, none of this should come as any grand surprise. If anything, it would be expected based on his past dealings.
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by outsidethesidelines on Jul 19, 2010 1:31 PM CDT reply actions
In my opinion,
if an agent gets caught giving money to a player, he shouldn’t just be banned for a year, he needs to be banned permanently. Being banned for a year isn’t likely to make them stop. Maybe for five years, but if you tell them they can’t be an agent again if they pay a player, then there is very little to no incentive to try to pay players.
How is he not disbarred?
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by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 19, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
All these things
make me a little glad we had the situation with Andre……since then, I remember reading, we have a system in place which allows our draft eligible players to meet with prospective agents at the football complex……….and I seem to remember that we have a list of “approved” agents such as Pat Dye Jr. who can come to these meetings and talk to our guys while under the watchful eyes of our coaching staff and compliance folks……….I’m just thankful every day that we have Coach Saban………his experience and his obsession with planning out every detail give me a little piece of mind when it comes to situations such as this………
if you can dig up where you read that
i’d be very appreciative.
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