Some Early Thoughts on Marcell Dareus
Regarding Marcell Dareus, from the outset let us just begin by stating what we don't know. We don't know if Dareus accepted any illegal benefits, and even if he did accept some illegal benefits, we don't know the value of those benefits. We also don't know if the NCAA is currently investigating Dareus, though as of noon yesterday the NCAA had not requested to speak with Dareus. For now, all we really know is that UA athletic department officials are investigating whether Marcell Dareus attended an agent's party in South Beach, and, if so, how that trip was funded. Also, as an additional precautionary measure, UA compliance is also trying to determine if any other Alabama football players attended the party, and if so how their trips were funded.
For now, regardless of the Internet meltdowns, that is all that we definitively know. Anything more than that at this point is pure speculation. Above and beyond anything else written by me (or anyone else), that basic understanding should be kept in mind.
Now, moving forward, from an institutional perspective UA compliance will be proactive as possible on this. That much we know for certain. We've had an activist compliance department since the botching of the Antonio Langham affair many years ago, and they certainly won't shy away from asking the tough questions now. Dareus will be asked point blank by UA compliance if he accepted any benefits from anyone, what was the value of any benefits he received (if any), if he attended the party in South Beach, and (if applicable) what mode of transportation he took to Miami and how it was paid for. Moreover, Dareus will also be asked to provide receipts to validate his claims if he denies that anything improper took place. Furthermore, as a measure of due diligence, UA compliance will also attempt to determine if any other Alabama football players accepted illegal benefits, and anyone arousing suspicion will be subject to the same scrutiny that Dareus will receive.
With all of that established, however, here is the harsh reality from point blank range: Amateur athletes cannot accept anything of value from agents, marketers, or financial advisors (among others), including but not limited to cash, food, travel, lodging, automobiles, and real property. And if any athlete does accept any of those things, that athlete's eligibility is put in jeopardy. If Dareus did accept something, anything... his eligibility is in jeopardy.
Of course, not all extra benefits cases are created equal. If the value of the benefits received is great, the player in question can effectively kiss goodbye to his remaining eligibility. On the other hand, if the benefits are of lesser value then the player may regain his eligibility by paying restitution. In fact, players can at times avoid missing any games by paying restitution in a timely manner (as was the case with Julio Jones and Mark Ingram a year ago).
At this point, it all goes back to what we don't know. Obviously if Dareus accepted illegal benefits with a very high value, he may lose the remainder of his eligibility and thus miss the entire 2010 season. But we don't know anything of the sort happened (and in fact we have absolutely no real evidence whatsoever leading us to believe that may be the case). And on the other hand, perhaps Dareus took nothing illegally, perhaps he paid his own way to South Beach. Or, perhaps, Dareus received a free flight and hotel for a couple of days, at which point he could possibly pay restitution and never miss a snap. Furthermore, this could potentially include several players -- Lord knows we have the raw talent on hand to make every agent in the country start drooling -- but as with Dareus himself we have absolutely no evidence whatsoever now that would lead us to believe that. Again, it all goes back to what we don't know, and at this point it must say that we actually know very, very little.
Now, I do know that Marcell Dareus does have a relationship with Marvin Austin, who is arguably the player at the very center of the UNC investigation. When Dareus came out of Huffman as a recruit in 2008, he picked Alabama over North Carolina and Auburn, and the general consensus then was that the Tarheels came in a close second. Dareus' mother -- who recently passed away -- actually wanted her son to sign with UNC (don't know why exactly, in all honesty), and when Dareus took an official visit to Chapel Hill in January of 2008 he quickly became friends with Austin. From what I can tell, they have been relatively close acquaintances ever since. Of course, though, that doesn't mean Dareus did anything wrong here (and in all fairness to Austin, it is not a definite that he did something wrong either).
Again, the reality of the matter is that we just don't have anywhere near enough information at this point. Admittedly this could be something major for Dareus, but by the same token it could be a complete non-issue. We simply don't know.
Until we do have more substantive knowledge, however, lay off Dareus. In an earlier comment I urged readers to step back from the ledge, but to those who want to prematurely throw Dareus under the bus, then please by all means jump. As an institution UA itself is with little doubt shielded from any potential wrongdoing (if any) on his part, given the quick action by UA compliance and the fact that he has not played in any games while ineligible, so rest assured that he has far more to lose here than we do. At the highest levels of the NFL Draft, which Dareus will certainly find himself come next April, even dropping a handful of spots can cost a player millions of guaranteed dollars, and potentially missing his junior season at Alabama would almost uncertainly cost Dareus that much and perhaps more. If he is a top five pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, he'll get roughly 30 million guaranteed, but if he takes a Dez Bryant-esque slide into the latter half of the first round, he'll get about 10 million, thus a potential mistake now could cost him in upwards of 20 million dollars. Again, he has far more to lose here than we do.
And furthermore, who are we if we turn against one of our own before allowing due process to run its course? And not just anyone, but Marcell Dareus of all people? Even if the absolute worst case scenario is true and Dareus is never again allowed to suit up in crimson and white, he will leave a lasting impact on Alabama football in a way that even most other Alabama legends cannot only dream. Without Marcell Dareus there is no thirteenth national championship, at least not in 2009. More than any other individual player, it was he that was responsible for the victory over Texas. It was Dareus that knocked out McCoy, it was Dareus that made the goal line stand, it was Dareus that had the interception returned for a touchdown, and it was likely even Dareus' late shift that caused Texas to miss the block of Eryk Anders in the waning seconds that ultimately secured the crystal ball. If nothing else, even if this is the end, we'll always have Pasadena, and that's no small consolation prize. Bottom line... Lay off Dareus, and if you cannot resist the urge, then by all means jump.
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You make too much sense. By the way, Marvin Austin paid for his flight to South Beach…….problem is Marvin didn’t earn the money mowing yards on Saturday.
with all due respect, post a link on a claim like that or don’t post at all.
I knew it was coming, but I wasn't thinking about it. So the intensity of the dump was the problem. - Nick Saban
by TheRedTideConsumes on Jul 20, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great post
as always. On a side note pretty sure you guys got attached to an email chain about a bus rental for the penn st. game. Sorry about that. lol
Auburn fans are like slinkys... not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Thank you for the well written, rational and logical response to the premature panic about Dareus. I am reminded day after day why I love this website and enjoy reading these posts. Everyone chill out before we know any details. But fingers still need to be crossed because the NCAA is an irrational power grabbing association that sets precedents and makes examples whenever they please, usually without due cause.
The NCAA is a self-governed collection of Universities
doing the best it can to keep cheaters from cheating. Like it or not, Alabama has deserved everything it’s gotten over the past decade, and while we might quibble with their precedent-following ability w/r/t the textbook case and vacated wins, recognize they’re just vacated wins that, in the grand scheme of things, mean very little.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 20, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
disagree completely
NCAA had the temerity to say Bama is one of the worst offenders, while looking the other way for many other programs (and we know who they are). NCAA is and will continue to be a high-handed favoritist steaming pile of nonsense. Bama did NOT deserve everything it got, either.
In a crisis, don't hide behind anything or anybody. They're going to find you anyway. -- Bear Bryant
this will not end well
I knew it was coming, but I wasn't thinking about it. So the intensity of the dump was the problem. - Nick Saban
by TheRedTideConsumes on Jul 21, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
you talkin bout the pissin match with pete?
or the Dareus situation? or both?
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by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions
definitely Pete vs. tin foil hat guy…
I knew it was coming, but I wasn't thinking about it. So the intensity of the dump was the problem. - Nick Saban
by TheRedTideConsumes on Jul 21, 2010 5:38 AM CDT up reply actions
NCAA had the temerity to say Bama is one of the worst offenders
Guess what. Over the past 10-or-so years, they’re absolutely right. There’s not a single school with more major infractions and until the USC case, there wasn’t one with more severe penalties. Not liking it doesn’t make it wrong.
while looking the other way for many other programs (and we know who they are).
First of all, if you actually had any first-hand evidence of this, and you withheld it from the NCAA while it was within the statute of limitations, you’re just as much to blame as they are. If you don’t have any first-hand evidence, you don’t have anything. More importantly, though: we’re not other programs, and we shouldn’t expect our players or coaches to act like we are. Whatever other programs are doing, we should be doing things the right way. For a while, we weren’t.
Bama did NOT deserve everything it got, either.
I don’t suppose you have a more compelling argument than “DID NOT!!”, do you?
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes there are more compelling arguments
in the interest of being brief, I won’t list the myriad documented cases of infractions at other schools that were dismissed or not even properly investigated by the NCAA. the Bama situations have been documented to hell and back by reputable sources, and it’s pretty evident that Bama received much worse penalties than were warranted. NCAA went so far as to accuse Stallings of giving a false affidavit on the basis of zero evidence. if that doesn’t qualify as steaming horseshit, what does? and did you read Bama’s briefs in the most recent matters, which included calling out the NCAA on the very issues I listed? go back and read the appeal again if you would really like insight. but since this is BAMA blog, I’m not interested in no stinkin’ support of the NCAA. not until they prove themselves an objective enforcer. and while I’m on the pet peeves, taking away wins is assinine anyway. ask Bowden and FSU how they feel about it — their briefs pretty much said the same thing as Bama’s appeal.
In a crisis, don't hide behind anything or anybody. They're going to find you anyway. -- Bear Bryant
and just to be more difficult
when NCAA takes away USC wins and gives Auburn a chance to whine about being the real national champs, the college universe is definitely one screwed up place. don’t get me wrong, when real infractions take place like the Bush deal where significant money changes hands (and don’t forget the lovely Pat Dye tenure), certainly penalties are warranted. but forfeiting wins is like 2 year olds making up the rules. and Langham signed a dang paper napkin. show me the money.
In a crisis, don't hide behind anything or anybody. They're going to find you anyway. -- Bear Bryant
and if Dareus does manage to play this season
how many of our TDs will be ruled void if he jiggles his hips & tosses the ball in the zone? NCAA fair rulings my ass
In a crisis, don't hide behind anything or anybody. They're going to find you anyway. -- Bear Bryant
You don’t really understand how that new rule works, do you?
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe not, but I'm pissed
In a crisis, don't hide behind anything or anybody. They're going to find you anyway. -- Bear Bryant
Don't worry, that's coming across loud and clear.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Let me summarize how your replies read to someone who applies a hair of critical thought:
“I do not have any evidence. I heard, at one point, that there was some evidence, and I cannot possibly imagine that my team would ever do anything wrong and, even if they did, they wouldn’t deserve to be punished, therefore all of those things I seem to remember hearing but cannot document must be true.”
That said, I’m glad to hear that you’ve read up on some NCAA infractions cases. Of course, in order to really make your own judgments about how ’Bama’s punishments have compared to precedent, you’d actually need to have read some of those precedents — but I’m sure you have, I can’t imagine you’d go babbling about something you’ve not read up on.
So, in light of the fact that you must be familiar with the relevant cases, how do you think Marshall’s 2001 infractions case compared to the textbook scandal? Do you think the violations were similar in severity? Do you think Marshall should have received a different punishment? What about the 1989 Oklahoma State case?
That aside, if you have some actual, documented evidence of the NCAA dismissing infractions cases wrongfully or evidence that they didn’t investigate something fully, those would be great resources for you to post since I suspect that evidence simply doesn’t exist. Which is not to say that I think you’re lying — I’m quite certain you believe this documentation exists, I’m just not sure that it actually does.
Bottom line: put up or shut up. If you can’t produce the evidence, all you’re doing is spewing ill-informed conspiracy theories.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
ok, smartass, I'll document the inequities
and submit an article to the blog. will that make you happy? of course if the NCAA makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, probably nothing logical will make you happy.
In a crisis, don't hide behind anything or anybody. They're going to find you anyway. -- Bear Bryant
The NCAA doesn’t make me “feel all warm and fuzzy”, I just don’t believe that it is rational to rely on rumors as evidence, nor do I think that it would even be possible for the level of conspiracy you’re suggesting to exist at the NCAA. I’m also not under the delusion that Alabama is innocent just because I cheer for them. What I have found, is that the better one understands the NCAA Bylaws and what they’re trying to accomplish, the more sane the decisions are.
That makes a lot of sense, too, since the NCAA is just a collection of Universities who can change the rules when they agree to, so if the rules were unfair or were being enforced unfairly, the universities would have the ability to remedy that situation.
PS: I’m not looking for you to submit a blog post delineating your opinions. I’m looking for sourced, credible accounts of the things you’re alleging. Any fool can post a blog entry with made up stuff in it.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
now you're really ticking me off
I’m quoting stream of consciousness in the a.m. are you a Bama fan or not? admitting something happened or didn’t isn’t the same thing as the punishment fitting the misdemeanor. there are no conspiracy theories, just gross incompetence in the NCAA and extremely poor mishandling of Bama matters. Bama documented the other schools in the textbook cases in the briefs, and the NCAA responded so what. any way, it’s too late to argue with a know it all — look me up during the day and we can go at it again. to quote Richardson’s wristbands, TA TA
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Alabama documented a number of schools whose punishments were less severe than Alabama’s for similar, although not identical, infractions. What they did not document was anything like this: “infractions at other schools that were dismissed or not even properly investigated by the NCAA.”
Nor have you provided any evidence that “Bama received much worse penalties than were warranted”. At best, you’ve demonstrated that Alabama received marginally worse penalties than other schools received, but there also hadn’t bee a screw up with quite the same scope and, further, we’re talking about the vacation of wins, itself not a particularly meaningful penalty.
You claimed that “NCAA went so far as to accuse Stallings of giving a false affidavit on the basis of zero evidence”, but there is evidence listed in their infractions report, so you must have something else in mind that you’re talking about, but you haven’t told us what.
I’m even willing to ignore the ranty comment about the NCAA being unfair because they punished infractions of another school that might have had a benefit for Auburn, but I have to say: that kind of talk doesn’t make you look like you want “objective” enforcement.
This is dead simple: if the evidence and documents exist that you claim, produce them.
If not, quit running your mouth, you’re making us look stupid.
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I'm not sure who you are, but you're not the end all be all
of Bama-NCAA history. I am not compelled to provide evidence to you for my opinions or relate actions I have personally witnessed. As someone pointed out in another post “this is a blog chucklebunny”. If you hold yourself to some level of superority in this matter, that’s your business. Refrain from calling me a fool or trying to bully me into agreeing with your idea of the “right” view of the world. And it’s apologists like you that enable the NCAA to continue its ineptness, and enable journalists like Mike Bianchi of the Orlando Sentinel to post crap articles like this saying Bama is dirty: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_bianchi/2010/07/forget-southern-cal-alabama-is-ncaas-most-consistent-cheater.html
I’ll repeat my OPINION that Bama is not nor ever has been dirty, has not made any mistakes not commonly made at other schools, has been punished by the NCAA with penalties that do not fit the crime. We’ve been shafted and maligned by the NCAA. Stop assuming a holier than thou attitude and excusing the NCAA. You have your opinion and I have mine. Don’t insult my intelligence by asserting that your position is the only right one. And if you want to spout references, more power to you. Maybe it’s news to you, but everybody isn’t required to submit judgment in your court before offering an opinion.
In a crisis, don't hide behind anything or anybody. They're going to find you anyway. -- Bear Bryant
You’re not going to be able to turn this around on me, no matter how much you try.
You made assertions, provided zero evidentiary support for them, pulled the “you’re with us or you’re with the terrorists” card when I disagreed with you, and now you’re trying to say it’s just your opinion and you’re entitled to it.
You’re spewing unsupported nonsense, and it’s things like that that prevent an actual, honest discussion of the challenges and shortcomings of the NCAA. It’s hard to have a sensible discussion sense when you have the lunatic in the corner babbling about black helicopters.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe you missed the meaning of "opinion" in school
There are venues for discussing facts, agreed. If I submitted an actual article, it would certainly be documented with facts. However, as Bama folks are probably familiar with the evidence and history in the NCAA matters, there is no point in beating a dead horse - or any impediment to me stating my opinion that the NCAA is inept and mishandled the Bama matters. Stop with the PC whine. I’m really not sure why this matter continues to elicit responses from you, unless you just like to have the last word. There are so many schools with NCAA cases that a debate could rage ad infinitum. My sole interest is in Bama, respect for the University and acknowledgment of the good people who work very hard to see it stand tall among academics, sports, community and to a forward-thinking future. As long as the NCAA calls Bama an egregious offender, somebody had better stand up for our school because it is categorically not true. Just because the media reprints NCAA quotes doesn’t make it true either. “All virtue is summed up in dealing justly.”-Aristotle (Nicomachean Ethics) Virtuous the NCAA is not based on its history with Bama.
In a crisis, don't hide behind anything or anybody. They're going to find you anyway. -- Bear Bryant
I’m well acquainted with the difference between a fact and an opinion. I also know the difference between someone who makes a factual assertion and backs it up with evidence and someone who makes a factual assertion and retreats behind “it’s just an opinion” when questioned.
You expressed a number of opinions. Many of them I disagree with and explained why. Rather than defending your opinion, you decided to get pissed and throw a tantrum. You’re not required to defend your opinions, of course, but it would make you look like you actually know what the hell you’re talking about.
You also, however, expressed a number of things that you’re calling “opinions” that simply are not. Let me provide a sampling:
while looking the other way for many other programs (and we know who they are)
Your claim here is that the NCAA knew of violations and ignored them. That’s not an opinion, that’s a factual claim that is either correct or incorrect. You haven’t provided a sliver of evidence to support this.
I won’t list the myriad documented cases of infractions at other schools that were dismissed or not even properly investigated by the NCAA.
After this quote, you were urged to list some of them. We’re still waiting. Since these are documented cases, and there are many of them, it should not be too much to ask that you back this statement up with one or two. This isn’t an opinion, it is either a correct or incorrect statement.
NCAA went so far as to accuse Stallings of giving a false affidavit on the basis of zero evidence.
There was a good deal of evidence presented in the NCAA’s infractions report. Despite my request, you haven’t provided anything to dispute the NCAA’s evidence short of your claim that a thing that does exist doesn’t. That’s not an “opinion”, that’s a delusion.
So, yes, you have some opinions, but you can’t just slap that label on everything you say to try to avoid having to support it.
Also, pissed though you may be, understand that I’m just trying to help. I would love to have this evidence you claim exists. I’ve been looking for it for years. If you have it, I want it, but I suspect that you’re just making up stuff that sounds good.
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let's agree to disagree
It would also be helpful to desist from calling folks fools and other catchphrases engendered to prevent opinions from being posted. This is a wonderful website that should encourage fans and alumni to post heartfelt opinions, whether you agree with those opinions or not. I would love to document for you the items I’ve discussed, and if I am able to spend the time preparing an article I will certainly let you know when it’s complete. As for my posts, my opinion is what it is. Overshadowing any NCAA debate, we’ll see how the Dareus situation plays out. I hope for his sake that there is no wrongdoing of any kind. I hope for the team’s sake that we do not lose an athlete with the potential to contribute so much. I don’t think this situation with Dareus is an NCAA matter or the entire SEC appears to be on the hook. Let’s just try to make sure that Bama is not singled out in the court of public opinion any more than other schools. Opinions do matter.
In a crisis, don't hide behind anything or anybody. They're going to find you anyway. -- Bear Bryant
Can't believe I'm getting in on this, but...
this isn’t a “agree to disagree” matter. And it is not an opinion. You either have the documentation or you don’t, and to be honest, it really should take a lot of time to prepare. Links to the documentation should work just fine.
I used to be just like you and believe that Alabama was getting extreme unjust punishment while the NCAA was looking the other way at other programs, but I’ve changed my mind. I’m sure some schools have gotten away with some stuff, but don’t think that Alabama hasn’t gotten away with some stuff too.
But again, this is not an opinion. Either the facts are there or they aren’t.
by jsholt969 on Jul 21, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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the biggest issues took place in the Stallings era
If you recall, this began in the 90’s. So you’re saying a blog that allows opinion posts should require its posters to show documented evidence for having an opinion on NCAA matters that took place over the years between 1992-2010 and based on NCAA actions or inaction at myriad schools in addition to Bama. Yes, that sounds entirely reasonable (rolls eyes).
In a crisis, don't hide behind anything or anybody. They're going to find you anyway. -- Bear Bryant
Wow, have one day
where you gt sick off suspect jambalaya and the world blows up.
I am not worried right now. Maybe that’s Pollyanna of me, but I know that the media will report any potential involvement that is considered big name, and let’s face it, Marcel kinda made a name for himself. Big game gets face time in this sort of reporting.
I have faith that Coach will investigate whatever is going on, and if Marcel did anything wrong, his punishment will be appropriate. I don’t really blame the media either, a key player potentially involved in the scourge of agent infiltration is a pretty big deal. Hopefully Marcel will be exonerated and this will be naught more than a blip on the radar. Otherwise, our team is more than one player, no matter how great he is. Coach believes in the team and that concept will not change. He will make any adjustments necessary, if they are warranted. I believe in Coach and what he’s done with this program.
That said, I am available for late night cement pours if any one thinks there are a few agents who need a new patio that’s a few feet thick poured at about 3 in the am. :)
by Peyton on Jul 20, 2010 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly...
Who are we if we turn against one of our own before allowing due process to run its course?
PLEASE AVOID HIS FACEBOOK PAGE
Some have said some poor things on there.
Fumbles. It was always Fumbles
Pathetic...
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by outsidethesidelines on Jul 20, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m getting a few rumors that LSU’s Patrick Peterson was involved, too. Remember it’s just that – rumors.
I don't know if he attended, but...
I don’t know if he attended, but I highly doubt this was just a couple of UNC players, Saunders, and Dareus. If you’re going to break the rules for a kid like Saunders, I imagine you’re probably willing to do it for just about any legitimate NFL prospect.
I imagine we’ll here a lot more names come out soon.
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by outsidethesidelines on Jul 21, 2010 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait and see is all we can do. And hope for the best.
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by Nico2.0 on Jul 20, 2010 11:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm going to stay positive on this one.
It would suck to lose a player as good as Dareus if that were to happen but we have quality depth behind him and our coaching staff is one of the best in the country. So I think everything will work itself out in the end.
Fucking hell
I just get home (been out of wifi since 3) and this is what I find? Being a skeptic, I haven’t lost y composure yet, but this is obviously not a good thing. Did Joe Shad break this? If so, that guy is a notoriously unreliable douche.
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by Thomas Walker Esq on Jul 20, 2010 11:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
joe shad
is one of the guys reporting bout it. so like you said, at least we have that going for us. now all we need is for that orangbloods.com guy to post about it and we’ll know its pure garbage meant for media cycle consumption…..
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by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions
sadly, i dont think thats the case.
CNS wouldnt waste time on this if it wasn’t serious. regardless it sounds like our program is going to be okay from an “NCAA Infractions” perspective, we may however lose Dareus for the season, which will suck to high heaven… but i still think we can win the SEC without him if need be… that said, i hope to god it’s ruled as something he can “pay back” like #8 and 22’s fishin trip last summer………
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by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Wrong!
I think it is a very erroneous idea that Marcel Darius was the sole character that won us the National Championship game. Yes he did knock out Colt Mccoy, but just b/c he got knocked was not the solidifying factor of our win. It was the TEAM as a whole. Without Ingrams, and Richardsons scores, Dareus’ touchdown would have not won us the game. and just b/c its Marcel Dareus….. are you serious????, hes the best player on our defense, and probably #1 defensive draft pick from Alabama in 2011…. Of course he would be the first person to see problems from Agents talks…. remember Andre Smith. Hopefully he never attended the party!
Yes agents are to blame, but it goes back to players not putting themselves in environments they shouldn’t be around. If any player that is involved in this scandal; never gets anywhere near an agent, or speaks to one…. a problem never surfaces within the team, or for the player. I do agree their is a problem with agents though, and Saban’s thoughts on the agents are very correct.
Welcome to RollBamaRoll
…since you’re new, we’ll give you a free pass on this post.
In the future, though, it helps to read the articles. OTS didn’t say Dareus was “the sole character that won us the National Championship game”.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
He didn't...
But he did say something like “without marcell dareus there is no 13th national championship…. at least not in 2009”.
But you could say that for any number of players.
by UAyeroc25 on Jul 21, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Beat me to it
Surprisingly humble of you Pete. Also, to the newbie, vehement emotional disagreements w OTS require proper syntax and punctuation for earned credibility
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
"This is not the end. This is the beginning." - The Great and Powerful Saban
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jul 21, 2010 12:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
not at 1:45am
there are exceptions to all rules, just ask the NCAA
In a crisis, don't hide behind anything or anybody. They're going to find you anyway. -- Bear Bryant
For instance, my wife just made a twilight reference, but as she’s smoking-hot, she didn’t get banned from the bedroom.
Pics or it didn't happen.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
sigh That’s Pete – always obsessed with proof.
OK, here’s the pic to prove she’s hot:
http://squinkyhosting.com/images/cat2.jpg (ignore the ugly, incredibly lucky guy beside her)
and here’s the pic to prove she’s not kicked out of the bedroom:
http://squinkyhosting.com/images/catsleep.jpg
I’m also recommending a new RBR ban policy – making fun of anyone else’s family is strictly off-limits. That having been said, the ugly guy in the first picture is me, and you can make fun of me all you want.
pretty surepete was being facetious....
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions
but +1
for ballzzz
"The North isn't a place. It's just a direction out of the South."
--Roy Blount, Jr.
by animalcracker on Jul 21, 2010 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions
BUT HE USED INDENTS!!!!!!!!
"The North isn't a place. It's just a direction out of the South."
--Roy Blount, Jr.
by animalcracker on Jul 21, 2010 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Free pass hell..........
if you had read any of OTS’s stuff before, you would know that he would never insinuate that one player won us the NC………he was merely making the point that without Dareus, we likely would not have won that game………that is true of many of our players, but especially Marcel……
And on a separate note, anybody who criticizes Marcel at this point in the situation should have their Alabama credentials revoked………this kid has worked his ass off for Alabama and, by extension, for us……….his mother died earlier this year and hell if my mom died I would want to take a trip too, and if he did take the trip who knows whether it was presented as “hey Marcel come with us to Miami and get your mind off of your mother’s death”………..either way, it sure as fuck is not for us to attack a kid who I motherfucking guarantee every swinging dick douchebag that is talking shit about him was cheering for six months ago in Pasadena.
any bama "fans" throwing him under the bus at this point
simply aren’t real fans, they’re just vacuous reactionary nincompoops. thats right, i said it, nincompoops.
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions
any bama fans throwing him under the bus at this point
are likely responding due to the fact they are upset. we completely understand making a pissed off post, hitting the enter button and immediately regretting it. i’ve done it, you’ve done it, it’s done. (but, remember, as upset as you are, i’ll bet it’s nothing to how dareus feels right now.)
what OTS is pointing out is that if someone seriously wants to adhere to this position given the gaping lack of information we have right now… then they should please be careful to avoid letting the doorknob hit them on the ass as they depart.
Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.
Great post OTS
Hopefully this doesn’t hurt us on the field or in the locker room.
Also I don’t really want to get into this argument, but honestly, I agree with Pete about the NCAA. Sure they may have been hard on us, and most of the time they are looked at as the ‘bad guys’ but I think they at least try to do what is best for amateur sports.
Fight on, fight on, fight on men! Remember the Rose Bowl, we’ll win then.
Am I the only one
Not freaking out about this. Sure, it “Could” be a huge disappointment, but even “IF” we lose Marcell, it wouldn’t be the End of our Season. IF he took monetary benefits from an agent, I do believe everyone is entitled to a few mistakes in their lifetime, this will not hurt our University it would only hurt Mr. Dareus. Do I believe he is stupid enough to do something like this even when he’s been to lecture upon lecture about the importance of not being in contact with a sports agent, NO, I don’t believe, that he’s that stupid. I believe everything will be fine, Alabama is just making damn sure that Alabama does the investigating, not the SEC, not the NCAA, That’s just my opinion, Roll Tide!
Bama's so good, we'll make your quarterback cry.
by crimsongiant on Jul 21, 2010 1:25 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Apologies
For all of my typos, no excuses, except for the fact I’m stupid.
Bama's so good, we'll make your quarterback cry.
by crimsongiant on Jul 21, 2010 1:27 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
i was stuck at @ chase feild at a corporate event tonight
and RBR saved my sanity (i was seriously trippin out when i saw the news blurb on a tv screen during the game)… like OTS said, we dont know if dareus will be ruled ineligible for this upcoming season or not, it could wind up working out like the julio and ingram situation from last summer. but even if it doesn’t, we should be fine as none of this appears to put the program in any jeopardy. if it costs darues his eligibility, then he’s the only one who’s going to really feel the pain, and that does suck for him. and also liek OTS said, Dareus pretty much won the BCSCG for us, so i aint gonna hate on the kid.
anyway, i’m glad CNS has a a strong and independent compliance office, it looks like we’re going to need it.
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
haha
Very true Bozeman, very true.
Bama's so good, we'll make your quarterback cry.
by crimsongiant on Jul 21, 2010 4:01 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
NCAA is not fair
You want examples, how about Ohio State and Maurice Clarett. The NCAA claimed they could not find him to interview him about taking money from agents and boosters. That was a joke because he was in jail at the time and even a reporter could have found him. The ND booster who gave at least one of their players all kind of illegal benefits but again a slap on the wrist no loss of scholarships nor any vacated games. Tee Martin at UT do you really think Diane Sanford or whatever her name was did not meet the booster rule, she sure thought she was a booster going so far to hide the money trail. Then the deal with Car that Travis Carroll got from a Bill Heard dealer for 20% interest even the experts told them that was common for any college kid to get that type deal on a clunker. The NCAA also listed the wrong mileage to make the clunker more valuable but even without the extra 100,000 miles a picture of it was worth about as much as the car was. He never even made a payment because it broke down and they repossessed it big time infraction though as far at the NCAA was concerned. They also used evidence against a player who took money but went to Tennessee so how did they use that against Alabama the booster won his case in court against the NCAA. In fact the NCAA lost in court in the trail of Culpepper and the NCAA but the judge was bought off. Finally the dollar bill tips for the dancers wow what an infraction to charge anyone with that is looking to hard to find something that is not there.
RANDOM BABBLING != EVIDENCE
Post the links or STFU.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I gotta tell you, Pete, I’m a huge fan of this policy. Kudos for trying to enforce it.
"We knew we had to turn it up or we would get beat. We ripped the knob off. We turned it up so much we broke the knob." - Roy Upchurch after beating Florida in the 2009 SEC Championship Game
by bearbryantwonit on Jul 21, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
RE: Free Pass HELL
Sorry about punctuation errors, had a few drinks due to the situation lol! I just thought that OTS put Dareus up to high on the pedastal for the National Championship game comments. Don’t get me wrong, I did see his performance in person at the Rose Bowl, and he played one hell of a game!!!
No problem........
I wasn’t necessarily coming after you per se……..just was making the point that I was hearing alot of bitching and moaning mainly directed at a kid who as it turns out, looks like did exactly what I said……….was lured by thug UNC player who was his friend under false pretenses, figured out that it was an agent party and immediately bailed and paid his friend back for plane ticket (which shows good thinking in a pressure situation)……..so sorry for going a little heavy on the internetz hollering at you………was more aimed at the huddled masses than you in particular……..

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