Quick, Everyone Freak Out About Dareus!
by PeteHoliday on Jul 20, 2010 10:26 PM CDT
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PrintOn second thought: please step away from your respective ledges. There's a whole lot of banter in the main thread, but I wanted to put some of the big points in one place for easy reference.
First, a preface: if you're a fan of another team, please recognize one fact: we don't care. We don't care what you think about this, how you think it compares to your current troubles, or care to commiserate with you at all. Feel free to excuse yourself to fornicate with an angry badger.
Second: the party happened after the BCS Title game. You can tell your gloating Texas buddies two things: 1) 37-21 and 2) This is what happens to teams with NFL-grade talent -- they become agent targets and they win national championships, comfort them with the notion that they'll probably win another one . . . some day.
Third: All available evidence right now suggests that THIS IS NOT AN INSTITUTIONAL NCAA INFRACTION. It's not. This doesn't impact our probation, it doesn't give rise to repeat offender penalties. By itself, It's not something the NCAA can do a damn thing about, except...
Fourth: we could very easily have just lost Marcel Dareus. His career at Alabama could be over. Accept that and come to terms with it. Recognize that the "extra benefits" bylaws are not the same as the agent contact bylaws. They're both in play here, though. The extra benefits are what give rise to the things you're hearing about dollar amounts, payback, and suspension. If the NCAA determines that, because of those benefits or anything else, Dareus has made himself a professional athlete, he will never be reinstated. To wit (numbering messed up because SB Nation is stupid):
Bylaw 12 Guidelines.
- Amateurism Cases involving Student-Athletes Initially Enrolling at an NCAA Institution for the 2006-07 Academic Year or After.
- Philosophy Statement. The NCAA, as an amateur organization, separates itself from the professional model of athletics. In this separation, participation in athletics for individuals competing for NCAA Division I institutions or who wish to compete for a Division I institution should be motivated primarily by education and by the physical, mental and social benefits derived from such participation. An individual who engages in activities that clearly professionalizes him or her will be deemed permanently ineligible for Division I athletics. (February 2006)
- Standard. The individual's actions shall be reviewed under a "reasonable-person" standard to determine if those actions warrant the individual's eligibility not being reinstated for intercollegiate athletics. Individuals who engage in the following activities have crossed the threshold of professionalism and, thus, their eligibility will not be reinstated:
- Sign an agreement or contract that states the team is professional or the individual is a professional;
- Sign an agreement or contract that provides the individual with money above expenses (even if the money is never paid);
- Individual receives money above his or her expenses/individual has profited from his or her sport (i.e., could be in the form of cash payments, prize money, stipend);
- Individual consistently represents himself or herself as a professional athlete;
- Individual enters into written or verbal contract with an agent; or
- Individual accepts significant monetary benefits from an agent.
That last part -- "individual accepts significant monetary benefits" is the money quote. Unless Dareus entered into a contract with an agent, he'd actually need to receive "monetary benefits". Now, I've not read up on what that phrase specifically means to the NCAA, and the NCAA could easily say that having trips and parties paid for is a "monetary benefit", but that might not be the case, and even if it is, in light of six-figure bonuses being tossed around, it seems that a strong case could be made that a trip and a party aren't really all that "significant." If he crosses that line, however, there's absolutely no coming back.
Still: until we hear otherwise, it would be prudent to assume that Dareus won't be suiting up with the defending champs this fall.
Fifth: honestly, if you didn't see this coming, it might be time to cut down your Kool-Aid intake. When a team like North Carolina is getting popped (do they have a single player that could start at Alabama?), you know this is going to be a bumpy ride for teams with actual talent. One of the benefits of having a team full of studs is that agents want a piece and, until only very recently, they and most of their targets been operating with virtual impunity. Times, they are a changin', and there are going to be a bunch of players caught up in dragnets like this one while the agents (and hopefully players) get smarter about how they handle their business.
Finally: Prepare yourselves for the possibility that more players could wind up in Dareus's shoes. Trust that Saban and our world-class compliance office will see us through this storm, and we'll come out the other side of it just fine. It would hurt to lose Dareus, there's no doubt about that, but it ain't the end of the world.
In summary: 'Bama fans, calm down. Everyone else, go away.
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Luv your way with words Pete
“Feel free to excuse yourself to fornicate with an angry badger.”
Priceless!
"Defense"
When a team like North Carolina is getting popped (do they have a single player that could start at Alabama?), you know this is going to be a bumpy ride for teams with actual talent.
You do realize that according to many experts North Carolina has as many as 5 potential first round players, right?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
Not only does ESPN draft guru Todd McShay rank two Tar Heels among his top-10 defensive prospects Insider for the 2011 NFL draft — tackle Marvin Austin at No. 5 and end Robert Quinn at No. 6 — he has this to say at the end of Quinn’s blurb: “Don’t be surprised if Quinn emerges as the top prospect on a Tar Heels defense that will draw comparisons to the USC Trojans group from 2008.”
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Jul 20, 2010 11:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
oh, for the quote above, link:
http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/10964/will-north-carolina-defense-equal-usc-of-2008
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
If you’re using anything Todd McShay has ever said to prove anything, you have no business talking about the draft.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Thing is, you won’t find any set of rankings out there that doesn’t compare to McShay’s. If you can find a set of rankings to prove me wrong, I’d be happy to take a look.
From what I’ve seen, Carter, Sturdivant , Williams, Austin, and Quinn are all ranked in the top 2-3 at their respective positions everywhere.
you must have missed the most important part of Pete's post...
if you’re a fan of another team, please recognize one fact: we don’t care. We don’t care what you think about this, how you think it compares to your current troubles, or care to commiserate with you at all.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Hi Bammer,
Yes, I saw that “point,” which is one of the reasons why I found the article odd—“we don’t care about you, but we’re going to go out of our way to take gratuitous pot shots at you. Please don’t respond.”
Um, thanks for the definition. I fail to see how I used it out-of-context when referring your over-the-top comments about UNC.
“2 : not called for by the circumstances : unwarranted ”
The education continues! This is fun.
The circumstances: UNC, a team that has been mediocre-to-poor at football for at least a decade, has players that are being courted by agents and allegedly being paid big bucks.
If I want to make a point that Alabama fans should’ve seen this coming, it stands to reason that the easiest way to do that, is to demonstrate that there’s better talent in Tuscaloosa. The fact that the question “do they have anyone who would start at Alabama?” (note: that’s pretty much the extent of my “pot shots” in that post) resulted in the naming of one or two guys pretty much says all that needs to be said: there’s better talent in Tuscaloosa.
I’m sorry if that hurts your feelings, but that doesn’t make it “unwarranted”.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
UNC, a team that has been mediocre-to-poor at football for at least a decade
I thought that past season were irrelevant?
Surprise, surprise — Bumpjon is trolling again.
If we could get folks like you to spend your energy writing fanposts instead of perpetuating weak arguments to start fights, we’d have four times the content we do now.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Lighten up Francis
I was just trying to make a very poorly constructed joke.
Doesn’t hurt my feelings at all. I laughed when you said that players who are unanimously considered the top at their positions couldn’t “start at Alabama.”
Yea, a guy who is in the top 5 in most mock drafts that your head coach recruited heavily couldn’t start at Alabama. LT and Peppers would’ve rode the bench at UA too.
He was recruited by Saban, so he has the physical tools. That doesn’t mean he’s been developed sufficiently to start.
There are dozens of guys every year that Saban recruits heavily that don’t start at Alabama, and they actually play for the team.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
If you happen to have 2 players who could start on our team than that proves petes point that we are that much better and that we should have seen this coming....
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
"We are certainly not worried about Alabama until we play them" Urban Meyer
"We should have known" Pete Carroll
by The Voice of Reason on Jul 21, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
There you are!
I was hoping you’d stop by. Could always use a little voice of reason in a thread.
I'm wrong all the time.
its a good thing you were laughing
cause the joke is on you.
the tardheels (Q: is “tard heel” one word or two? A: i dont care…) suck at football and will continue to do so for the forseable future…
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
don't you have to report to your probation officer at some point?
Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.
jevan sneed didn't go in the first round?
must be news to mcshay……
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 2:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Well....McShay...
is about as much of an expert as I am…except, I actually comprehend what I read.
"...because you've got your mind right, and that's the way we like it." Nick Saban
good stuff as always Pete
This takes absolutely nothing away from anything in your post, which, again, was spot-on, but I think you overlooked the talent Butch Davis has piled up at UNC.
When a team like North Carolina is getting popped (do they have a single player that could start at Alabama?)
According to CBS, UNC has 5 of the top 50 seniors in college football. That’s more than any other team in the country. Not saying CBS is the end-all, be-all of anything, but I know that a quick glance around other NFL draft sites has as many or more Tar Heels projected as 1st/2nd round picks than any other school. So not only do they have serious talent, but they may have more top-end NFL talent (not overall talent, mind you) than any other school in the country, including Alabama, Florida, USC, Ohio State, etc.
Again though, I agree with every main point in your post and as always you did a nice job putting everything into perspective. Would love to hear your thoughts on what can be done from a legal perspective to deal with the “agent issue”.
by Matt Dover on Jul 20, 2010 11:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
NFL Draft ratings are not necessarily indicative of a player’s ability in college.
NFL Draft ratings prior to the start of the college football season are not indicative of much of anything.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
i knew about about the 5 so called 1st rounders
but still agree that they most likely wouldnt start at Bama, otherwise CNS would of recruited em to play for him…
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 2:55 AM CDT up reply actions
he did
He heavily recruited Robert Quinn, who signed in 08, and likely would have offered some of the others if he had been around for the 07 recruiting cycle (he was hired only one month before 07 signing day)
so Quinn's good then eh? good on him...
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Easy mistake to make for sure though. They haven't exactly done much latley to make you think, UNC = first round talent.
But in this case, hell yea they have guys that could start at Alabama, especially on defense.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
I don't really think so
Do you remember how those guys played in UNC’s big games last year against top talent?
If not, there’s a really, really good reason for that.
It’s easy to be impressive in the ACC. I’ll be shocked if they don’t look like standard ACC fare when the LSU game rolls around.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
This is an odd post, Pete. Let me just say that I respect Alabama’s program immensely. The tradition reminds me of our basketball program in many ways, and the faces of both programs (The Bear and Dean Smith) were both class acts and legendary.
UNC’s offense isn’t BCS title game caliber for sure, and no UNC fan will argue with you that our team, as a whole, in Alabama’s league; however, to say that we don’t have “actual talent” is silly. 5-6 of our defenders are locks for the first two rounds of the draft, which is why we’ve had so much agent activity this summer. Don’t you undermine your point when you acknowledge that the issue is in fact agents who are coming around “talent”? If UNC’s defense doesn’t have “actual talent,” agents wouldn’t have swarmed the campus this summer.
Also, winning in college doesn’t always line up neatly with one’s NFL prospects. Just ask Teebow.
Best of luck to you guys this year.
Also, winning in college doesn’t always line up neatly with one’s NFL prospects. Just ask
TeebowTebow.
87.1% winning percentage as a starter.
Picked 25th in the first round by the Broncos.
I’d say it lined up nicely for Tebow.
[ya, you could call that nit-picking]
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 21, 2010 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Touche, but most franchise QB’s are taken inside the first 10 picks and many considered the pick a reach. We’ll see.
Now you’re qualifying your statement. Nice cover.
Simply put your comment is wrong in this case.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 21, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
We had a terrible QB (hopefully he’s unseated this year by Bryn Renner). Don’t let some of those L’s deceive you (in light of this topic). The offense often put the defense in bad spots. The defense actually carried UNC for most of the season, and even outscored the offense in a few games (Miami game comes to mind). Our OL was decimated and we had one of the worst QB’s in the ACC; also, our starting RB was injured at the midway point. We also lost our top three WR’s from the year before, which included Hakeem Nicks. Last time I checked, btw, he was doing pretty well in the pros, despite playing against “standard ACC fare.” Plenty of UNC defenders have fared well in the NFL despite playing against “standard ACC fare,” from LT, Julius Peppers, Dre Bly, Vonnie Holiday, to Gregg Ellis.
I think Pete's point is that
first of all, Todd McShay is a useless lump of shit………..secondly, the fact that these guys are top players in the ACC means that they would probably see playing time in the SEC, but would not be though of as All-SEC caliber………it’s just a lesser level of competition – and it tends to make decent players look great
LOL.
These guys are ranked in the top 1-3 EVERYWHERE (i.e., every draft ranking guide/site know to mankind).
I didn’t realize that the NFL only drafts players from one conference. Interesting.
What part of “go away” didn’t you figure out?
Yeah, you’ve got some decent players on your team, good work. Talking about a draft that’s 9 months away as if we know the outcome of this year’s season is pretty dense.
I'm wrong all the time.
You want me to go away, yet you basically write an article inviting responses from fans of another team. Nice bait.
Are you seriously suggesting that UNC is a more talented program than Alabama?
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
No, I don’t see where I suggested that anywhere in my posts.
This takes a little nuance to figure out, which doesn’t seem to be your forte, but hell, I have a little time to waste on you, the Alabama-IU-Bulls-Yankees-Thrashers-and-Packers fan (odd assortment of teams, btw):
*Alabama has a better football team than UNC and more overall talent.
*UNC has 5-6 players who are considered 1st or 2nd round picks on defense.
*Saying that “none of these guys could start for Alabama” at individual spots because Alabama has more overall talent is patently idiotic.
*Me (and others, like several of your own fans) pointing this idiocy out is not a suggestion that UNC has more overall talent than UNC.,
Finally,
How did you graduate from law school?
Or this just some “play dumb” online shtick you got going?
Don’t worry, I’m not expecting you to be able to figure this out, but I’ll give it a shot. Maybe you can.
Alabama has a better football team than UNC and more overall talent.
Undisputed.
UNC has 5-6 players who are considered 1st or 2nd round picks on defense.
Sure, that’s fine. Although I haven’t yet seen any evidence that pre-season projections of draft order have any sort of correlation to post-season projections or, heaven forbid, actual draft order. Also worth nothing: Saban doesn’t play kids based on their projected draft order. Being a first or second round draft pick doesn’t guarantee that you’d be one of the best at your position on a different team.
Saying that "none of these guys could start for Alabama" at individual spots because Alabama has more overall talent is patently idiotic.
If only you had a corn field to plant that strawman in, you might have some use for it. As it stands, I don’t think anyone has said or insinuated this.
Me (and others, like several of your own fans) pointing this idiocy out is not a suggestion that UNC has more overall talent than UNC.
Look at y’all just beating up on that strawman you erected . . . your mamas would be so proud.
How did you graduate from law school?
Professors and classmates who could understand basic logic, didn’t jump to unnecessary conclusions, and didn’t troll classes or tests to try to make up for an inferiority complex. Why do you ask?
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, the preseason rankings are randomly generated and not based on "any evidence" from the past two-three seasons and no evidence exists because PeteHoliday hasn’t had a chance to watch these players. We look forward to assessment after the LSU game.
Careful what you wish for.............
you are a big talker now……..but I’ll bet you won’t be talking after LSU handles your 5 or 6 players that are worth a crap………..you even have a decided coaching advantage – and you are still going to lose……….
WHY ARE YOU HERE!!!!!!!!!!
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
pete, you like the Bulls, as in chicago bulls?
dude wtf? they aint as bad as LA or San Antonio, but they suck pretty bad. major dbag fanbase front running punkasses IMO………
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Lived in Illinois for most all of the 90s
haven’t been able to bring myself to cheer for the hawks yet, but since I watch about one NBA game every 2 years (and that’s if you combine the five minutes here and five minutes there that you get at sports bars), I haven’t really had cause to.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Tempe!!!
What’s wrong with my Spurs? High talent and high class all the way.
by Queen of the Universe on Jul 22, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
cheap shot bob? you call that class?
manu, bowen, and duncans stuck up ass. i HATE the spurs more than i hate auburn, i’m not even fucking kidding. even the sweep this year wasn’t enough to satiate the hatred…. oh god how i hate horry and bowen and parker and ginobli and duncan and popavitch……
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
by tempebamafan on Jul 22, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
as a Bama fan,
I understand hating Sprewell, but Horry? c’mon dude
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." - Dean Martin
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jul 22, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
fuck robert horry, david stern, and the spurs..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhXNhDmW86o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvkKdXLwt0U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRp17FCifjc&feature=related
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
by tempebamafan on Jul 22, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Horry?
I love that guy. He’s still a Bama fan…he’s been spotted around town sporting Bama gear. In addition to being amazing at their respective jobs, Pop, Duncan and Bowen are huge contributors to the community.
I’m with you on Parker, though…he can go jump in a lake.
by Queen of the Universe on Jul 22, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Still mad that Stoudemire got suspended
For breaking a rule? A dumb rule maybe, but still a rule.
"Only the strong survive, but the strong still get their ass whipped." -Nick Saban
duncan and horry came off the bench and onto the court in the 2nd quarter of the very same game
but the rule was applied in one instance (Stat and Diaw in the 4th quarter) and not in the other (both duncan and horry trying to escalate a fight that bowen was starting for no reason). it was complete and blatent hipocracy. david stern threw that series.
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
by tempebamafan on Jul 26, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't fault the Spurs...
…the NBA has been crooked since my whole life at least. I used to watch Magic take five steps on the way to the basket regularly, MJ got away with many more egregious fouls than the one he used to beat the Jazz, and the leeway they gave Shaq in the paint was grotesque. The NBA decides which products they can sell the best, then they market them by any means necessary.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 26, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, this may come as a surprise to you, but doing well in the NFL doesn’t mean the player was good in college. There are plenty of guys doing fine-to-great that didn’t look much past “meh” in college.
Still, I’m sure your Tarheels will be a serviceable little ACC squad that will provide excellent fodder for a real team in a bowl game or, alternately, will beat up on some other nobody in a game about 15 people will watch.
I’m still not sure why you’re here.
I'm wrong all the time.
They dont play in SEC therefore there stats are skewed....Just because you are a top 3 player in your position in the draft doesnt mean you could find the line up in the SEC
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
"We are certainly not worried about Alabama until we play them" Urban Meyer
"We should have known" Pete Carroll
by The Voice of Reason on Jul 21, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Todd McShay.....come on man!
I wrote an article about how dumb the draft pundits are.
Yes, I saw this coming when it started making the rounds. You think these agents are interested in UNC and NOT our Bama Boys….you are lost. I am really sorry it’s Marcel and I dread hearing who else is envolved IF there where. I hope it was “come on Marcel….this party happens every year……it’s not illegal”……
Sick to death of these agents – off with their heads.
Bama's Pluck and Grit have Writ Her Name in Crimson Flame
Shooting the messenger
It’s not just Todd Mcshat.
Pete, you’re basically arguing about exceptions that prove the rule. Sure, being a high draft prospect doesn’t guarantee that you are a great player in college, but it’s a good indicator and you have nothing to show that these UNC players draft status isn’t indicative of their ability in college.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
can we not argue
about UNC’s players and how good they possibly are?? Not saying your wrong Zoltar but lets not feed the UNC troll…
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Sorry. It’s nothing against Pete, it just annoys me when we act arrogant and stuck up about how great the talent we have is.
Anyway, I don’t have a problem with Heelfan. I don’t get why everybody’s jumping on his ass.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Go read the other thread
He’s a troll, and we shouldn’t be feeding him.
The talent we have IS great and IS superior to the talent of the vast majority of other teams out there, and for the vast majority of THOSE it’s not even close.
I'm wrong all the time.
hmm. I agree with a lot of Tarheel’s points that he’s made, but I see he did call Kleph a “tard” and insulted our BBQ and that shit won’t stand. Not at all.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Memphis is where it's at anyway.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
agreed
neelys interstate, topps, hell even corky’s. thats where it’s at….(though truth be told i’ve never tried real bona fide SC style….)
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
fuck corky's and rendevouz
OVER-RATED! Central BBQ near Rhodes is the best that city has to offer, still pales in comparison to what we have in Bama
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." - Dean Martin
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jul 22, 2010 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions
hence the "hell even corky's"
never had Central i dont believe, my dad is partial to Topps and my mom prefers Neely’s, and when i’m only gonna be at the airport for 1 hour before i catch another flight, i hit up Corkys….
though honestly my favorite thing to get in Memphis is a big ass veggie plate; red beans n rice, field peas, collard greens, mashed potatoes, fried okra, squash… hell yeah. i think i’m gonna have to drive for a bit and get some real food for lunch today…
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
by tempebamafan on Jul 22, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn, Tempe...
..thanks for the tip on LoLo’s. Never knew the place was there. Friday lunch, here I come.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 22, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
its a combination of how he
acted in the UNC post this week and yesterday threads and now Petes post…He obviously won’t stop…We’ve said over and over again that we dont care about UNC…but yet he continues to try and confince us of something….
A troll isn’t always a flamer….and i would have pimped slapped him over the BBQ statement…
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
“He’s a troll, and we shouldn’t be feeding him.”
LOL. But you’re clearly “feeding me” when you write an article about your own team that takes unneeded shots at a team that’s not even a rival.
Let’s see—I’m a “troll” who has so far responded to a post about North Carolina, a post about the situation with your current player, which is related to Marvin Austin (both supposedly attended the same party), and a post taking pot shots at North Carolina that weren’t even relevant to your main point.
Like a lot of mod-types, you get off on having a little power from behind a computer screen and like to abuse it. In real life, you’re probably some skinny twerp, or kid who would fit in at a World of Warcraft Convention. Have at it; I’m done eating the bait. My first post to this topic was respectful, too. I’ll let your own fans tell you how idiotic your comments about UNC were from here on out—they seem to be doing a pretty good job.
Now, I’m off to hiding in a corner and shaking in my boots at that vaunted “SEC fare” LSU offense that finished in the 100’s last year.
A few points:
1. I’m not a mod and have no such powers. Which is fortunate for you.
2. The “internet tough guy” shtick is pretty old, and no more convincing now than it was when it started up, and that’s true even when you project it. You should find a new angle.
3. The point is simple: Alabama has more talent than UNC. By a lot. On both sides of the ball. If UNC players are being targeted, you know Alabama players are, too. Simple. I’m sure you can figure it out.
4. I look forward to seeing you back here after week 1, where you’ll make 100 excuses for why LSU beat your team.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I would have had your back if you could refrain from personal insults. You seem like an intelligent person, but if you can’t keep from flaming respected people on this site then just get the fuck out.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Did you not read my initial post, where I spent the first paragraph giving to your program?
He still flamed me.
How lame is it to write an article that takes shots at another team and then cry for them to “stay away”?
How lame is it to purposefully misread a post, exaggerate it, and then piss and moan on another team’s site?
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
While I recognize that Alabama is known for it’s excellent educational system, I have to tell you: there are fans on this site that misread things, too, and there are enough visitors that pretty much everything written is bound to get misread by someone.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Interesting how you’re only now playing this “misreading” angle; you seemed to roll with things in your first set of comments to the thread and your comments matched the same insulting tone toward another team—a team that’s not even a rival—in your article.
I can only conclude that you had me on your mind when writing this piece. I’m honored.
Heh. No, I just don’t think much of your football team. It’s that simple.
Maybe I’ll end up being wrong, but I’m convinced that the UNC hype is going to disappear by mid-season, and all of this talk of amazing defenses is going to dry up unless you’re talking about Maryland or Duke offense.
The NFL draft is not a good measure of a college career and, regardless, naming a few guys going highly in the draft does not make UNC more talented tan Alabama.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
How many shots did he take at your team there Heel?
Quit exaggerating and making this into a big thing…..take it up with SBN HR ……someone doesnt agree with you that NC has as many talented players as you do….big whoop….I would take UA’s underclassmen who arent even eligible for the draft yet over your 4 or 5 1st or 2nd draft picks.
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by The Voice of Reason on Jul 21, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you, Zoltar.
I don’t see the need to act like UNC is a team devoid of talent.
….case closed. Lets move on.
I don’t see the need to act like UNC is a team devoid of talent.
Nobody’s saying that.
What I’m saying is this:
’Bama Talent > UNC Talent.
Therefore, if agents are interested in UNC players, you know damn well they’re interested in ’Bama talent.
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no no Pete..........
I mean UNC has 5 or 6 players who might go pro…….5 OR 6!!!!!!!!!!! We only had 13 last year so I really don’t see how Bama talent > UNC talent……oh wait………
i dont see the need either
but why not? ya’ know? i mean, the ACC sucks, so we may as well bag on them for shits and giggles just cause we can, no?
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by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
do they have a single player that could start at Alabama
Yes. Most of their starting defense.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 21, 2010 8:40 AM CDT reply actions
You’re saying they have six players on their defense who are better than our first-stringers?
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could
is the key phrase here…They have a lot of talent…and they have at least a few DB’s i wouldn’t mind having given our depth..
But i wouldn’t give up one of our front seven players…not for 100k and a bentley…
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
The front seven could start (well 3-5 of 'em could)
At the least, it’d be a helluva’ Spring/Fall competition. USC is irrelevant. And the offense is ghastly, but the D has some players. Some serious players.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 21, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
ugh. UNC...not USC...
although, I suppose at this point both, the USC in Columbia has more immediate relevance than the one in South Central LA.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 21, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
sorry, but yes
Marvin Austin is ranked as the #1 senior DT in the country. He’d start.
Robert Quinn is ranked as the #1 junior DE in the country (Dareus is #2). He’d start (opposite Dareus).
Quan Sturdivant is ranked as the #2 senior ILB in the country. He’d start, although obviously things would be crowded with the #1 junior ILB (Hightower) in the mix, but we do have two ILB spots to give…he’d start.
Bruce Carter is ranked as the #1 senior OLB in the country. I know Harris and Upshaw are extremely talented, but….he’d start.
Deunta Williams is ranked as the #1 senior FS in the country. He’d start, and Saban would make a deal with the devil (himself?) to have him in crimson given our lack of depth and experience there.
Zach Brown is the #3 junior OLB in the country. Again, I know we have some talent there, but it would at the very least be a battle royal against our inexperienced but talented OLBs.
So, to answer your question, yes. And that’s just looking at the nation’s top 50 juniors and seniors, not any of their younger players.
Does that mean overall they have more talent than us? No. Are they a better team than us? Almost certainly not. But do they have more NFL draft talent on their defense (for THIS YEAR’s draft, mind you) than us, or probably any other team? I think they do.
But do they have more NFL draft talent on their defense (for THIS YEAR’s draft, mind you) than us, or probably any other team? I think they do.
Sure, if you change the question, you can get the answer you want.
The question you posed is not the question I asked.
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I answered the question you asked
I gave you six UNC guys that would start on our defense this year.
Id say this Bama07
UNC runs a 4-3…we of course have a 3-4 base…Id have to see thse LB’s play in our system, learn Saban’s defense before i’d go and say they’d start over the guys we have. Sure they have great talent for the scheme they play in, but LB’s in a 3-4 are built completely different and play completely different.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
and why would I want that answer?
I would love for Alabama to have the best 11 defenders in the country, obviously.
I’m not looking to pick a fight. I’ve pointed out that your article was excellent. I just think your shot at UNC was off-base is all.
We could go around in this circle again, but I’d rather not. You interpreted the question differently than I intended it.
Still, being ranked #1 or #2 by a draft service is not the same as being the best or second-best player in the country. Why that’s so difficult to understand for some folks I have no idea.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Robert Quinn is the real deal...
…at least Saban thought so, seeing as how he was still recruiting him even after he had a tumor removed from his brain. His commitment came down to the final week and was between Bama, UNC and the barn. You said something about watching your kool-aid intake, maybe you should take your own advice. I’m as big a Bama fan and SEC fan as the next guy but you do realize the NFL drafts players outside of the SEC don’t you. Bottom line, if he had chosen Bama, he’d be a starter or at least a major contributor and you’d be writing an article about why not to worry too much about the Dareus situation because we have players like Hightower, Barron, and Quinn to pick up his slack.
Had to make an account
just to say, as a die-hard Bama fan, I’m embarrassed at the arrogance of your article. We’re not missing the point, we’re MAKING a point. Arrogance is excusable, but you’re dismissal of facts and reason is another. Whether you want to believe it or not, we don’t have a dream team, and there are a HELL of a lot of players out there who could start for us. Please, please dont be so insulting to another fan base.
You’re making a point which is a demonstration that you missed the original point.
Whether you want to believe it or not, UNC does not have talent equivalent to the talent in Tuscaloosa.
If you take a read through of the article I think you’ll find that I didn’t insult a fanbase. I simply stated that ’Bama’s talent is superior to UNC’s.
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That is totally irrelevant to your claims that their roster doesn’t hold a player capable of starting for our squad. Unfortunately, I did read your article and the ensuing comments. Your claim is false, your arrogance is embarrassing, and your insults are unwarranted. I’m glad to see other patrons of the site agree. Sometimes its easier to just admit you’re wrong, pal.
Read HIS SIGNATURE SMART GUY!
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by The Voice of Reason on Jul 21, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You would be easier to take seriously if you didn’t need to erect strawmen.
That is totally irrelevant to your claims that their roster doesn’t hold a player capable of starting for our squad
That’s not what I said.
If you’d like to try to fashion an argument using things that I actually said rather than what you wish I had said, I’m game. Otherwise, I’m not sure why you think I, or anyone else, should listen to you.
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You’re right, you only saracastically asked, “Do they have a single player that could start at Alabama?”
I can see where I made a mistake..
I’m glad you got it all sorted out.
Just in case you’re being sarcastic though: even if the answer is “Yes, a couple of guys” (which could be the case, given the right circumstances), my point still holds. Your mistake was in assuming that the question was a rhetorical device intended to insinuate that, no, none of their players could start at Alabama when, in fact, it was an invitation to engage in a thought exercise, the result of which would range (depending) from “Nope, not a single guy” to “Yeah, they probably have a half-dozen or so guys that could start at ’Bama” but in either case you, the reader, are essentially conceding my point: that there’s more high-quality talent at Alabama than at North Carolina.
In retrospect, I guess I should’ve known that people would jump to conclusions and ignore the rest of the post in favor of seizing on a hypothetical question. I’ll work to be more clear in the future.
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No mistake. I find that very hard to believe. In what way would a discussion on the ability of a UNC player to start at UA pertain to the rest of the article? You know what you meant, and so do I. If you can’t be intellectually honest, we can’t continue proving you’re an asshole.
So you are clever enough to know what’s going through my head when I wrote something, but you’re not clever enough to know that my status as an asshole needs no further proving?
Come back when you’re ready to make real arguments instead of erecting strawmen to fight.
I asked a question, you substituted a statement of your choosing, which you subsequently blamed on me.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Listen man, I don’t know you. But, you seem proud of that status, and that’s a good sign you’re not the type to admit when he’s wrong. The reason people grumbled over your shot at UNC is because, again unfortunately, someone like you has taken it upon himself to write about our school’s athletics. Whether you realize this, or are concerned in the least by it, you should be aware of the audience you have and refrain from embarrassing other Bama fans.
Listen man, I don’t know you.
That’s probably where that comment should have stopped, but I guess you wanted to pretend like you did know? Passing judgment is fun when we get to invent a person to go with a name we read on the internet.
When asked, twice, to present an argument other than a strawman, you talk about me personally, and you think I, or anyone else here, should take you seriously?
If you’ve got an issue with me personally, my email address is on the front page. Todd’s address is there if you’re more comfortable bitching to the management.
On the other hand, if you’ve got a substantive argument that you can make without either pretending to know what was in my head or erecting a fake argument on my behalf, feel free. Otherwise, chalk this up to a learning experience and move on.
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I do not believe that any of them could drive over from Chapel Hill for fall practice and be starting by the time San Diego State comes to town.
That’s the problem. You’re just wrong and are too proud to admit it. Anyway, discussion’s over for me.
please...
play in a conference that actually wins BCS NC’s and then come talk to us…until then..Stay in your ACC and continue to play middle school football.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
"you’re not clever enough to know that my status as an asshole needs no further proving?"
i’m using this line against you the next time we get into a pissing match….
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by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll paypal you $5 if you can find one place on RBR that I've disputed my asshole status.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol. i'm sure you never have. you're a smart guy afteral and wouldn't want to paint yourself into a position that was so easily refuted
in other words, you may be an asshole pete, but you’re our asshole god damnit…
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by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
you're not gettin' my bud light, tempe.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It sounds like you’re saying that you put a lot of thought into the UNC comment.
it was an invitation to engage in a thought exercise, the result of which would range (depending) from "Nope, not a single guy" to "Yeah, they probably have a half-dozen or so guys that could start at ’Bama" but in either case you, the reader, are essentially conceding my point: that there’s more high-quality talent at Alabama than at North Carolina.
I just read it as a casual shot at UNC that backfired because (surprisingly) they actually do have a lot of exceptional talent on D that could probably start anywhere in the country. I’m pretty sure that’s how 99.99% of people would have read the comment, so please don’t act like it’s the fault of we stupid plebeians for misinterpreting. (sorry if I’m misinterpreting your statement, with all the sarcasm it’s hard to tell sincerity from scorn).
As for ignoring the rest of the post (which was good), perhaps if you just could have conceded that they do have players that could probably start at Alabama (since this is a purely speculative question and cannot be answered definitively) instead of trying to argue that these predicted first rounders couldn’t carry the jockstraps of bench warmers at Alabama, then perhaps the discussion could have shifted onto the more meaningful aspects of your article.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Yeah, exactly.
Just meet us halfway so we can move this song along and try to find a plot, there was a girl, and I don’t know her name either, she gave me love, and I swore I’d never leave her, if I did I’d come back someday and find her, maybe I will, I should write down a reminder. One day. One day, who knows. Someday I suppose.
Oh sorry, what were we talking about?
instead of trying to argue that these predicted first rounders couldn’t carry the jockstraps of bench warmers at Alabama
What is it with you people and your strawman arguments today?
I asked a hypothetical question. You read your own interpretation into it.
Now it’s my fault that your interpretation of it was bad?
Give me a break.
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My brother........
(who totally fucked this hot chick one time) has a source that tells me that tarheel just has a small dick and pissing all over the legendary PeteHoliday’s articles makes him feel like his dick is at least a half inch longer……….
UAchE.........
man you are nowhere near the point………you are arguing whether apples are red or not and Pete’s talking about oranges………..what Pete’s argument is is that there is no way in hell that the overall talent level at UNC is comparable to Bama’s across the board………this is not to say that there are not good players on UNC’s team – hell we wanted some of them at Bama……..but that is not what he is saying………you cannot reasonably say that UNC (the whole team) is more talented than Alabama…………and as far as Pete’s supposed arrogance he is just responding to a guy who is a WORLD CLASS DOUCHEBAG……….Pete is reasonable and logical and one of us regular’s favorites………..glad you decided to quit lurking and join the conversation but quit being such a fucking dick……….
guys I think Pete's original statement about NC not having any players that would start for us wasnt meant literally....
just a minor exaggerated point to show that we have a lot more talent than UNC therefore……we should not be blindsided that the best talent is preyed upon.
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by The Voice of Reason on Jul 21, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Grizzly Adams did have a beard.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Yeah Right! and Grizzly Adams had a beard. <rolls eyes
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"We are certainly not worried about Alabama until we play them" Urban Meyer
"We should have known" Pete Carroll
by The Voice of Reason on Jul 21, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
When a team like North Carolina is getting popped (do they have a single player that could start at Alabama?), you know this is going to be a bumpy ride for teams with actual talent.
You imply that not a single player on UNC’s team could (COULD!!) start at Alabama. And you imply that they are a team with NO actual talent. That goes far beyond simply saying that “Bama’s talent is superior to UNC’s”.
I understand the points you’re making. Yes, we have much more talent than UNC. Enough talent to make an agent drool. But UNC does have some talent, and probably at least a couple of players that could start for us. It’s not shocking that agents would be in Chapel Hill. Could you please just qualify those statements, or admit that they’re a little bit of hyperbole?
Out of curiosity, why is it so important to you that I update my opinion to match yours?
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Tough luck. I stand by my original post, with hypothetical question (although I do not claim the interpretations of it offered by others above), as well as my opinion that UNC’s talent is vastly inferior to Alabama’s.
You disagree? You think ‘Bama would be a better team if we just substituted their defensive starters? You’re entitled to that opinion, but I’m not going to agree just to make you feel better about our disagreement.
I believe that there could be players on UNC’s team who, had they come to Alabama as freshman, would right now be in a position to have a starting spot on our defense. They have the physical tools (Hint: this is one of the big things NFL Scouts are looking for). I do not believe that any of them could drive over from Chapel Hill for fall practice and be starting by the time San Diego State comes to town. I believe that the vast majority (if not all of them) of them would still be second-string at best come season-end.
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I believe that there could be players on UNC’s team who, had they come to Alabama as freshman, would right now be in a position to have a starting spot on our defense. They have the physical tools (Hint: this is one of the big things NFL Scouts are looking for).
Fair enough. That’s all I was saying.
But, uh, they DIDN’T come to Alabama as freshman, so unless we’re revising history (and we both know that’s the NCAA’s job), I don’t think this is really meeting you in the middle.
I mean, by my terms, I couldn’t start for Alabama because I wasn’t born with the gifts and/or I didn’t put in enough work to develop the gifts I had . . . that doesn’t mean “Pete Holiday could start for Alabama” it means “Pete Holiday could have started for alabama if [insert ridiculous alternate-reality scenario here]”.
End of the day, though, I was asking the question as a thought experiment, not as a passive-aggressive slight to North Carolina. Too many folks in this thread are running around pretending like they know what I’m thinking . . . it’s kinda creepy.
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is there anyone that doesn’t think PeteHoliday is a jackass?
And keep in mind, I’m not saying he is in fact a jackass. I’m posing a thought experiment which is supposed to make you examine the way people interact on the internet and make presumptions about what others are thinking based on the words they type.
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-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Jul 21, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
In all seriousness
I’ll accept this sarcasm as concession that you’ve run out of serviceable, serious arguments.
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ummmm.....
….I think he’s hot.
by Queen of the Universe on Jul 22, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I just agreed with you. Why are you still arguing??
Maybe you’re right, that everyone has just misread what you were trying to say. But maybe you should consider that if this many people misunderstand your point, then maybe it wasn’t expressed as clearly as it could’ve been.
You may be saying now that “that’s not my fault that you people are idiots”. No, it’s not. And I do apologize for being an idiot. But all of us lowly idiots seem to be having a problem understanding your point, since we all thought you were saying that UNC had no talent and that they didn’t have a single player that could start at UA but you didn’t actually mean any of that. We misunderstood. Our bad. But maybe you need to express it more clearly next time.
It seems to be the same collection of folks “misreading” or “misinterpreting” or flat-out mischaracterizing the stuff I say on a pretty regular basis. It’s either beyond me to help or it’s intentional. Either way, I’m not worried about it.
but you didn’t actually mean any of that.
Nor did I say it.
But maybe you need to express it more clearly next time.
I might agree if the above weren’t true, but at some point you’ve got to take a little personal responsibility for your own failure to read.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 22, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
And my point in quoting your hypothetical there was that
UNC DOES have players that the NFL is interested in. They do have TALENT. This statement:
When a team like North Carolina is getting popped… you know this is going to be a bumpy ride for teams with actual talent.
seems to indicate that they do not have talent. But I’m sorry if I misunderstood. I’m doing the best I can here.
I think this is probably above your head, but let me pose a hypothetical for you:
I could start a new college football team and fill it with kids that are slow, scrawny, but played a little ball in high school. By the most strict, and meaningless, definition, that team would have talent. Not much and not good talent, but talent nonetheless.
In fact, if another team formed that took slow, scrawny kids that had never played before, they’d have talent, too, by that same definition.
As you can see, the strict definition of “talent” is utterly useless. All other definitions are subjective forms of line drawing.
In Division IA college football, the aim is to win a national championship. In that context, I think it’s fair to draw the line that if you don’t have the talent to compete for a national championship, you don’t really have any talent to speak of.
Were talent starts and stops is all line drawing. I see that you don’t like where I’ve drawn my line.
I don’t care.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 22, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
My opinion is that players that the NFL is drooling over
generally have “talent to speak of”. That is not your definition of talent. OK.
If you try any harder to miss the point, you’re basically going to prove me right.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 22, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Your point is that agents are much more interested
in Bama’s players than in UNC’s players, right? Yes, I agree!
My point is that UNC does have players that the agents are interested in. That’s all I’m saying. Jesus Pete Holiday Christ.
My point is that UNC does have players that the agents are interested in.
You’re arguing just to argue. Listen, if UNC didn’t have players that agents were interested in, they couldn’t very well be used, as I did, to prove that Alabama does, now could they?
I’ll repeat it again, although please note my profile picture:
Premise: Agents want at UNC’s players
Premise: Alabama has better players than UNC does
Conclusion: Agents want at Alabama’s players, too.
Dead simple. Y’all are making mountains out of molehills, which would be more entertaining if you could do it without ascribing to me things I never said.
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Guys is everyone here soooo versed in irony that they have forgoten the old art of exaggeration to make a point???
Y R WEI SU SERIOS?
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"We should have known" Pete Carroll
by The Voice of Reason on Jul 21, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the
lamest attempt to have your point made Heel Fan…good lord..creating a different account just to try and slap Pete around…really? Your tone and writing styles are almost exact….get a life man..really…
and no..im NOT kidding.
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Well this news is a fuckadeedoodah of a good morning.
I was out last night. (And I refuse to twitter.) So I’m just now seeing all of this.
Hopefully Marcell was smart enough to know (after Ingram and Julio’s troubles last year) that he had to pay his own way, or else have Nick’s foot up his ass. And if not, hopefully the benefits are not deemed “significant” and he can repay them. Hopefully. (sipping kool-aid)
True, remember last year
Just because someone goes to a Party or on a fishing trip does mean they are going to loss all eligibility. Julio and Ingram didn’t miss a game last year because of it. I find it hard to believe that Dareus accepted a free flight down to Miami from an Agent. If Dareus paid for his flight/ride and his own hotel room, this might not even be anything.
I'm entering the "acceptance" phase now...
Who will start in Dareus’ position should the worst happen?
U of U? Never...lol
we'll get to that analysis
when we know more of the situation. the official RBR stance is this: we’re not going to throw dareus under the bus with what little we know of this case and we’re not going to act like he’s gone unless there’s reason to believe it’s possible.
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There's already reason to believe it's possible.
He was at a party, thrown by an agent that has caused other athletes to lose their eligibility.
There’s a difference between throwing him under the bus and not burying your head in the sand.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
who has lost their eligibility? my understanding every case was still under investigation.
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Kleph, buddy, I think you need to come to grips with reality. Right now, you sound like this.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 21, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Whos suspended?
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
"We are certainly not worried about Alabama until we play them" Urban Meyer
"We should have known" Pete Carroll
by The Voice of Reason on Jul 21, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry thought I read "other athletes at the party with MD"
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
"We are certainly not worried about Alabama until we play them" Urban Meyer
"We should have known" Pete Carroll
by The Voice of Reason on Jul 21, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven’t seen confirmation yet, but odds are good that pretty much every guy there is going to need to be declared ineligible and then reinstated if possible. That won’t happen until investigations are finished, but recognize that, especially for UNC guys, if the investigation is STILL going on, it’s probably because there’s a lot of bad stuff to sift through.
I'm wrong all the time.
But... but...
Fourth: we could very easily have just lost Marcel Dareus. His career at Alabama could be over. Accept that and come to terms with it.
I know that’s a “could”. And maybe it’s not “official RBR stance”. But that doesn’t mean we can’t at least discuss who the backup plan is.
If the question is whether it's POSSIBLE that he's gone
The answer is “definitely.” If he is gone, I don’t know of course. I’ve had limited ‘net access for the past month, so I know even less than everyone else here, but it actually sounds like it’s a very good possibility. I certainly don’t want to throw him under the bus – I still really hope this works out okay and that he can play for us. But I still want to know about what our options are if he isn’t here in the fall.
"You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But there's nothing funny about vapor lock! It's the third most common cause of cars stalling. So please, take care of your car and get it checked!" -Joe Namath
by billycthulhu on Jul 25, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just a 'plan for the worst, hope for the best' kinda guy.
If Dareus got hurt, who would it be?
U of U? Never...lol
Duck, Saban will come over the podium for you indirectly asking about a depth chart.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 21, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Good news?
Just talked to my dad, and he said that he heard from some people that according to Schlabach, Dareus went to the party but left when he saw what was going on. Admittedly, that is just chatter, probably from Tider Insider. But if it turns out to be true, then it’s a damn good sign!
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Would be a good sign of his character (if true),
but it doesn’t answer the question about who paid his way there.
Conversely...
On another Alabama board, a moderator has heard that a guardian of Marcell had paid for the transportation/hotel stay for Dareus.
What I’m saying is, we don’t know anything. I’m leaning towards he was in the wrong place in the wrong time, but didn’t do anything illegal. But it also wouldn’t surprise me if something illegal did go down. That’s not a swipe at Dareus as a person, but I’m just looking at the reality of the situation. Hyped athlete that can be drafted high next year in the NFL Draft meeting with an agent = potential muy no bueno.
I’m not freaking out about this. Coach Saban will be speaking in about 2 hours live on ESPN, we’ll see what he does give us (probably little to nothing) and wait this storm out.
Finally, I hate trolls and other teams that are attacking us now.
by CaliforniaTide on Jul 21, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
On another Alabama board, a moderator has heard that a guardian of Marcell had paid for the transportation/hotel stay for Dareus.
If that’s true AND he left the party, then I think we’re probably in the clear, and everyone should really be proud of him for avoiding a bad situation. Crossing my fingers!
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
same here
regular, and extra crispy. Jo-Bu is not easy to please…..
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
He wants to sacrifice a live chicken in the locker room?
get him a bucket of extra crispy……..it’ll have to do…………
What board would like to go peruse...
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
"We are certainly not worried about Alabama until we play them" Urban Meyer
"We should have known" Pete Carroll
by The Voice of Reason on Jul 21, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope this is accurate
But as desperate as we all are for information, remember the reasons why we hang out here instead of those message boards. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I like it here because we tend not to run rumors for more than they’re worth, and people claiming to have inside knowledge get laughed off of the site.
Sourcing places that give those folks time of day is not much better than doing it here.
Take everything you read about a guy who knows a guy with a grain of salt.
I'm wrong all the time.
I hate being deployed....
when things like this happen. I will hold my tounge as far as what will happen. CNS and staff will take the proper actions to clear this up. I have faith in the University to handle this with class a dignity. I do wish however, that everyone will calm down. Pete is speaking freely about what he thinks, and not everyone has to agree with him. Let’s be good fans and not feed the stereo type.
" I should keep my words soft and sweet in case I have to eat them."
OH and by the way UNC basketball team couldnt tie their shoes on the same court as even UA's WOMEN basketball team!
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
"We are certainly not worried about Alabama until we play them" Urban Meyer
"We should have known" Pete Carroll
by The Voice of Reason on Jul 21, 2010 3:41 PM CDT reply actions
UNC is better than Bama - get used to it!!
I’d bet their front court could out-rebound our guys by double digits! :)
Man, I’d like to see you guys get into an argument over politics!
And now I know not to DARE offer any “strawman” arguments to Pistol Pete. (just storing that away for future reference)
“Any of you…. homos… touch me, I’ll kill you!”
"No man, I majored in Jounalism, it was easier" Joe Namath answering a reporter who asked if he majored in basket weaving
It’s not just me. Strawmen get taken down pretty quickly around here.
For pretty much any thread, you’ll get a good mix of opinions, usually artfully asserted and defended, and a few idiots on either side. Fortunately, the signal tends to drown out the noise, although sometimes the trolls get to have their day.
I'm wrong all the time.
Just imagining the billable hours
Holiday’s probably charging some poor sap to mark his territory on this thread makes me want to shoot my lawyer.
by TETRAGRAMMATON on Jul 22, 2010 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Despite Pete's signature..
he is very rarely wrong. So when he is ( hold up retract that almost baited this thread to continue) so when he is “perceived to be wrong” by his fellow bama breathren he takes it quite serious and will post up a tent on a thread and beat the tether ball around faster than napoleon dynamite infinitely before he concedes that maybe if this many people are still argueing with him that he confused his point with a tricky example.
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
"We are certainly not worried about Alabama until we play them" Urban Meyer
"We should have known" Pete Carroll
by The Voice of Reason on Jul 22, 2010 2:09 PM CDT reply actions
the point is it read like an un-necessary and un true shot at UNC's talent
and pete’s explaination was pretty weak (something about a thought exercise) but here’s my point so what if UNC has 5 or 6 guys projected to go in the first round or two. i bet it winds up being fewer than that, and that Bama will have more 1st and 2nd rounders this season. finally, it looks like c UNC player has been the catalyst for this whole damn problem, so with that in mind, eff em. eff the whole damn program and their fans. but for what it’s worth, yes UNC probably does have 5 guys who would make the cut at Bama. but how many of them would start over dudes like upshaw, dareus, hightower, chapman, and barron? not that many…
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
by tempebamafan on Jul 22, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Can we close this shit down?
I think everything that needs to be said has been said at least 3 times.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
lol
i laughed really hard reading this thread…Petes damn near taking on everyone…not that im surprised but daaaaaammmmmnnnn….
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
I'm on UAchE's side
Nothing against Pete, it’s just that I’m a ChemE as well, thus on principle I have to give him some comraderie, even if his arguments about UNC were…… ah….. a stretch. :>
And by billable hours, if that means Pete is a lawyer, I may have to start a lawyer joke thread! And, btw, some of the best lawyer jokes I’ve heard came from lawyers themselves.
"No man, I majored in Jounalism, it was easier" Joe Namath answering a reporter who asked if he majored in basket weaving
Until someone wants to put in some time on this argument ....
…by breaking down who the 5 potential first rounders are and then comparing those players stat for stat against our own starter in the same position and we will decide the number that we think would hypothetically start for UA. I smell a new thread.(jk please no) I am too lazy for any research.
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
"We are certainly not worried about Alabama until we play them" Urban Meyer
"We should have known" Pete Carroll
by The Voice of Reason on Jul 23, 2010 8:49 AM CDT reply actions
Shirley you jest
Research! Research? (for affect, you have to say this in the same way the father said “refund!” in the movie Breaking Away)
"No man, I majored in Jounalism, it was easier" Joe Namath answering a reporter who asked if he majored in basket weaving
by Slow Hand Row on Jul 23, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking more like "practice".
Research? We talking about research?! It’s just research, man. Research!
Seriously?
Neither school runs the same defensive system, so tryign to compare apples to oranges is impossible.
Speaking of, time to eat my apple and orange for lunch.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 23, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
*trying
damn fingers being out of sync.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 23, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Which fruit do you prefer?...
…Or is it impossible to say?
Personally, I’m an “apple man.”
by crimsontsunami on Jul 23, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Today was a Valencia orange and a Gala apple...
…I’d say the orange was far better in taste, but the seeds got in the way of having a purely orgasmic experience with the citrus; the Gala was a touch tart for my tastes, but was sufficiently juicy and had a fair amount of flesh for my palate.
Oh, you weren’t serious?!?
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 23, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
The only solution
is for these guys to live up to the hype, make it to a bowl where we play them, and watch the ensuing physical domination we will bestow on ‘em. I’d love to see Yates running for his life!
"...because you've got your mind right, and that's the way we like it." Nick Saban
Pete
I came late to this “Dareus Party” no pun intended. I first saw it on ESPN’s bottom line yesterday in a resturant. Deciding not to ruin vacation and time away from all news I waited until today to start reading about this. Wow, some people are really freaking out.
However your assement makes good sense. I’m hoping Dareus is right and that no other players from Bama were at this party. If that is true the impact for Bama would be no more than if Dareus was injured in practice and lost for the season.
I hope he is ruled elligible for him and the team. But if he never suits up again for Bama so be it. At least this was after the season and he did not play in any games while inelligble. I’m tired of vacating wins for dumb stuff like this. I’m thankful our athletic department is being pro active. And I think people freaking out about this need to realize that these things will happen Bama just needs to stay on top of the situation.
As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.
Remember that you have the benefit of having all of the info in front of you when you first get here . . . a lot of folks just heard “dareus, agent, party” and that was all they had to go on.
But, yeah, I hope we keep him and, if his story is true, I think that demonstrates that he’s a really good kid. I mean, I can’t say that I know many people who’d have left a party that they paid to attend just because there was an agent there doing shady things.
All disclaimers still apply, but I think this has shown more good than bad so far (except for UNC, which looks worse and worse the more info that comes out).
I'm wrong all the time.
I agree Pete, but..... :>
Seriously, it appears from what I have heard/read from various sources that Dareus is an honorable person and wants to do the right thing. Now that many of the facts have come out, I think the NCAA will be lenient – God knows Bama and/or their players deserve a break from the NCAA.
But I have to say, one more time, that better judgement should be used up front by players. Meaning, they should be more suspicious in general. If they are invited to a swanky, posh party in Miami, they need to do a LOT of due diligence up front. The world is just too full of dishonest people. If I was a player, and this appeared to be something beyond a group of players/friends that I knew, I might just say “thanks but no thanks” to be safe.
I watched Golnick (sp?) on Mike & Mike (ESPN) the other day and the subject was all of the agent issues that have cropped up lately. Most of the comments were anti-agent, but Golnick went into a rant about how players are given a LOT and how he didn’t have more than $10 bucks at a time in his days at (bear with this) Notre Dame, but still had the time of his life, so “give me a break with the whining about the poor, poor college athletes!”
As for me, I payed for every single dime of my advanced education (B.S. and M.S.), with no stinkin’ free swanky parties (just the standard ones, no agents! :>)
"No man, I majored in Jounalism, it was easier" Joe Namath answering a reporter who asked if he majored in basket weaving
by Slow Hand Row on Jul 26, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
You’re wrong, plain and simple.
Disagree? Answer this question:
What specific rule should Dareus have followed — given only information he had at the time — and what should he have done instead of what he did?
You’re not the only one — the paranoid hang-wringing has been very popular, but not a single person has been able to elaborate a rule that both applies to the Dareus situation and wouldn’t be horrifically impractical in day-to-day operations.
Bottom line: this is a case of hindsight bias and outcome bias gone completely apeshit with paranoia leading people to demand change for its own sake.
I'm wrong all the time.
Change for sanity and common sense... not for its own sake
The NCAA needs a reality check. People saying if they buy a player a Big Mac it is considered cheating is ridiculous. The NCAA needs to establish a minimum amount (a reasonable one) above which the player is considered to have received a monetary benefit.
If a player accepts something in excess of that value, he. and he alone, should be penalized. Taking away wins and putting a program on probation because of “loss of institutional control” is asinine. This isn’t the old Soviet Union where every other person is spying on their neighbors and reporting them for transgressions. It is impossible for a program to keep track of everything its players are doing. The only way “loss of institutional control” should be considered an issue is if there is a pattern of the same type of abuse within a program.
Having said that, I will withdraw knowing that the NCAA is like so many other organizations which have no room for common sense.
One of the more frustrating parts of the NCAA is that, for better or worse, there’s not a much better way to go about enforcing the rules.
If you say I can buy a ‘Bama player a big mac just because he’s a player, where does that stop? Can I buy him a Hardee’s burger? What about taking him to Chilis? Outback? Ruth’s Chris? What if I fix him a BLT at my house? What if, instead of a BLT, I make him a CLT (That’s a BLT, but with hundred dollar bills instead of bacon)? The problem isn’t that drawing those lines is impossible, it’s that there’s no sane place to draw one that isn’t virtually identical to a line drawn marginally one direction or the other.
Further, while they don’t treat “minor” extra benefits like nothing, the NCAA does have gradation in the penalty — having a Big Mac bought for a player, even if the NCAA found out, would very likely not result in anything except the player having to pay back the cost of the meal.
Lack of Institutional Control is another beast entirely, and has everything to do with how the university runs its compliance department, not how serious the violations are. Schools that are determined to lack institutional control are penalized because the NCAA simply cannot enforce their rules without the help of their members, and one condition of being a member of the NCAA is the promise to uphold the rules and see that they’re followed.
It seems as though a good portion of your frustration stems from ignorance of the actual rules and procedures that the NCAA follows and of the University’s obligations that they agree to simply by remaining members of the NCAA (which is 100% optional, by the way). There has certainly been some gripe over the enforcement in the past few years, but it’s difficult to say that the rules, when enforced well, aren’t where they need to be.
The funneling of extra benefits to recruits and players is a huge — almost insurmountable — benefit and if teams are allowed to do that, it really hurts schools that can’t or won’t participate.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Jul 26, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
This ain't a burger, folks
And if there are no rules that Dareus or Ingram or any of these guys came even CLOSE to breaking (which you insinuate), then why is this even a story? And why is Saban on the agent witchhunt?
People, get a grip. I’m as big a Bama fan as any of you, and probably have been one for longer than most of you (based on age), so I would be one of the first to want the school and it’s players to be given a break. BUT, as I said before, I heard Stallings talk about how much the players are tutored about staying out of trouble with agents or boosters. And I contend that COMMON SENSE dictates that a player should be suspicious UP FRONT about being invited to a party out of town, and especially if it is beyond a bunch of college kids, and even MORE so if you are one of the NFL-bound stars of the top-ranked team in the nation.
No Pete, he broke no rules that he was aware of, and it seemed that he just wanted to go to a party and either didn’t think much about it beforehand or else he was a bit suspicious but decided to go and be on the lookout for “issues”.
But since there seemed to be at least one agent in attendance, Dareus was in a position to break the rules. I don’t know enough about the rules to say whether Dareus just BEING there (with no agent contact) was a rule violation. And PLEASE don’t say “but dammit, once he found out that the agent was there, or payed for the party, or whatever, he LEFT!” We all know this, okay? Point made. And it is a good point, and makes Dareus look like he was using some good sense.
MY question is and has been (from the beginning) why he was there to begin with? CFB is big business these days, and if I’m the head coach, I’m gonna drum into my players’ collective heads to THINK before they find themselves in positions where they could get into trouble, not to mention the fact that it distracts Saban and his staff from the really important job of preparing for the upcoming season.
That’s not, IMO, wrong, Pete, and it’s certainly not “plain” wrong. It’s common sense.
"No man, I majored in Jounalism, it was easier" Joe Namath answering a reporter who asked if he majored in basket weaving
MY question is and has been (from the beginning) why he was there to begin with?
Well, if you go back and research it you’ll find the Austin kid was friends with Dareus after some chance meeting (I think it was a recruiting trip to UNC before Dareus committed to Bama).
Now let me ask you this, you have a friend throwing a party somewhere and he invites you, are you going to do all the 20 question things about how it’s financed, what will go on there, etc, or are you going to show up and party ‘like a rock star.’ If you show up and things are going on that look like they’re not kosher will you make the prudent move of removing yourself from the premisis?
From all accounts this is a parallel of what happened with different circumstances (agent instead of drugs).
And this is just an educated parallel from my point of view. I find it hard to believe others can’t see the connection the two players had, that has been detailed ad nauseum, which makes the initial acceptance to the party a non-issue. On top of that why can’t we at least wait until all the investigations are done before we throw Dareus under the bus for whatever reason.
Before you call this hiding my head in the sand, I am fully prepared for the situation to go to a point where Dareus is inelligible for the season. But until that determination is made there should be realistic support for him, the university, and the compliance office’s investigation.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 27, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Dareus
you have a friend throwing a party somewhere and he invites you, are you going to do all the 20 question things about how it’s financed, what will go on there, etc, or are you going to show up and party ‘like a rock star.’
Ah… if you mean me in particular, I wasn’t am amateur athlete on a scholarship. I don’t know whay it is hard to see that they are held to different standards. They are being given a free education (in exchange for their athletic skill, time and commitment), but with MANY strings attached – many of those strings around behavior that could be construed as “non-amateur”, i.e. not being given any compensation (which is defined many ways) merely for being who they are, an athlete.
Jammer, I don’t know who you mean when you say “throw Dareus under the bus”, but I can assure you I haven’t. He may be completely innocent of any wrongdoings, and I will give him every benefit of the doubt. I am only saying, for the umpteenth time, that there is a responsibility on the part of amateurs athletes, and especially at major universities, who spend far more dollars/player in facilities, staff. etc. Maybe when all of the details are investigated, this really is a non-starter, a non-story, like so many Bama fans are suggesting (and I, as one of them, am HOPING). I don’t suggest that you’re head is in the sand, but I do suggest that many Bama fans that I have heard so far, are far too ready to blow off any suggestion that Dareus showed a lapse in judgement. The fact that he knew the player who invited him, while pertinent, doesn’t automatically release him from any “guilt”.
And, lest Pete or anyone else ask the question “what rule did he break?”, I have never said he did, though I’m not an expert on NCAA rules. I’m only suggesting that Dareus MIGHT have thought a little more before he joined the party, because of who he is – and we all know he knows he will end up in the NFL either next year or the year after.
If UA says eventually that he did everything any player would normally do in that situation, or more importantly what they expect of any player, then I will fall on my sword and say I am mistaken. Until I know more I can’t say for sure. And I may never know the full story.
In the long run, I want Dareus to play and to know he did all he could or could be expected to do.
Roll Tide!!!
"No man, I majored in Jounalism, it was easier" Joe Namath answering a reporter who asked if he majored in basket weaving
by Slow Hand Row on Jul 27, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
gotta admit...
this has the potential to be a humongous burger. The amount of potential compensation far exceeds any level that could be considered reasonable. Hopefully, it will all come out in the wash.
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