Marcell Dareus' Lodging Arrangements and Family History
For all of the uncertainty surrounding Marcell Dareus' trip to South Beach in May, it seems we actually have a fairly good bead on how his trip itself was arranged. He left Tuscaloosa sometime around May 15th and flew to Miami, with the flight allegedly being paid for by his friend Marvin Austin, the rising senior defensive lineman from North Carolina. Upon arriving, Dareus claims that not only did he repay Austin for the flight, but that he procured a receipt as well, a claim that if true should dismiss any extra benefit concerns arising from the transportation involved in the trip.
If you accept that explanation, the next question then becomes where did he stay while he was in Miami. If he stayed with Austin and company at the high-end South Beach hotels where the suites start at $500 a night, well, clearly we've got some problems. Fortunately, Dareus denies that was the case. Regarding housing, Dareus alleged that Austin had a hotel room arranged for him, but that he declined the offer. Hopefully that is true, of course, but even if so it still leaves an unresolved question surrounding where he stayed while he was in South Beach.
Regarding that, the football blog College Football Zealots wrote the following in an article published today:
All I would add that the article leaves out is that Dareus did NOT use the hotel room because he has family ties to the area (his biological father was a Haitian immigrant) and opted to stay with a family friend.
Interesting.
Now, I cannot speak to the credibility of that site. Clearly the piece is well written and thoughtfully constructed , but in terms of the objective value of the claims and the sources that they cite I have no idea if they are legitimate or not. Perhaps so, perhaps not.
Nevertheless, it does bring up an interesting issue that has largely been overlooked. Dareus signed with Alabama in February of 2008 out of Birmingham, by way of Huffman High School, but in many ways he is not exactly your typical born-and-raised Alabama product. In fact, if you look into Dareus' background, his family situation is a bit complicated.
In many places, Dareus does not even list Alabama as his native state, instead listing Tampa, Florida as his home town and state. We've heard quite a bit out Dareus' recently deceased mother, but she spent many years in poor health, and was in fact not Dareus' legal guardian at the time of her passing.
Dareus' legal guardian was (and is) a Birmingham man by the name of Lester Reasor, a retired director of Huffman High's Junior ROTC program. He took Dareus under his wing towards the end of his high school career, and became the legal guardian of Dareus as well as several of his younger siblings. In fact, the place Dareus called home before his mother's passing was actually with Reasor and his wife in their house in Fairfield. He moved in with the Reasors a couple of years back, after agreeing that he would attend the Sixth Avenue Baptist Church with every Sunday (and to that end, the Reasors drove to Tuscaloosa every Sunday to pick up Dareus to drive him to church, as Dareus didn't own a car at the time).
And speaking of Reasor, he takes his role of guardian quite seriously, and oddly enough in hindsight he spoke out to Don Kausler Jr. of the Birmingham News regarding agents and NCAA rules this past April:
"I'm just sort of a guy who's trying to keep Marcell focused on, 'Hey, don't take anything from anybody, buddy (in violation of NCAA rules). I don't care if it's $50, 'cause you're going to be worth $20 million (in the NFL) soon.' "
"I just want everybody to be mindful and respectful and not try to slip something in the back door. There are some that are still trying. . . . That's against NCAA rules.
"The NCAA and the presidents of these schools don't understand. You've got kids that have nothing. They don't have a house, they don't have food in the refrigerator, and a guy comes and drops four or five thousand dollars in front of them and says, 'Go feed your family.' What are they supposed to do?"
Moving back to the original point, though, it should be noted that Dareus' father was indeed a Haitian immigrant. He died when Marcell was a small child -- his mother later remarried -- but the point remains that Dareus' father was originally from Haiti and (though I cannot find the specific source on this that I am looking for at the moment) I believe he initially immigrated to the Little Haiti neighborhood of Miami, Florida, along with some of his other family members.
Now, again, I cannot speak to the credibility of that report by College Football Zealots, but at the least it is very feasible. To the best of my knowledge most of his father's side of the family hails from the south Florida area, so it should come as no real surprise that Dareus would have family members in the area that he could have stayed with. He wasn't just some random country boy from Alabama going down to the bright lights of the big city without knowing anyone for hundreds of miles, he likely had a lot of friends and family in the area.
Perhaps that is not what happened, of course, but it certainly could have, and if we assume that Dareus indeed did stay with a friend and / or a family member, then we could potentially have valid explanations for both the travel and lodging arrangements of his trip. Clearly there could potentially be more extra benefit issues in play than just transportation and lodging, but those are likely the two biggest pitfalls in this entire eligibility maze, and if those two issues are safely dismissed as harmless then we are probably much closer to a final resolution that ends well for both Marcell Dareus and Alabama.
Hope for the best.
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Father and Family
I don’t want to come off like a jerk, or like I’m some judge of what’s right and wrong for fans or this blog to do. But for what its worth, looking into Marcel Dareus’s family and their history just seems a bit personal. I think I’m going to sit the rest of this story out and like you often say, just hope for the best come Labor Day weekend and the start of football season.
I'm not sure
if what OTS posted on was too personal or not – maybe it was – but what is true is Marcell is getting a taste of what 20 million a year or more is going to cost him if he decides to pursue it! As great as it would be to be that rich and play a game for a living, there are certain things that remind me why I’m perfectly happy with my apartment, one car, and a salary good enough to pay the bills, eat and save a bit for down the road. I think it was Ross Perot who once said, “Billionaires have billionaire sized problems.” I guess the same goes for millionaires too…and even potential millionaires sometimes!
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jul 24, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
It's personal, of course...
It’s personal, of course, and admittedly something that crossed my mind. In the end, however, I didn’t see any legitimate reason not to write it. Had Dareus and his family attempted in the past to conceal all of this and thus clearly wanted to keep everything private, I wouldn’t have written the first word, but that is not the case.
Both Dareus and Reasor have been very open with everything in the past. Dareus has never tried to hide the fact that growing up he and the rest of his family often had very hard times financially and that they often times did without. Likewise, Reasor has always been very outspoken about why he felt it so important to help someone in such need — and not just Dareus, but many other kids like him that aren’t high-profile football stars — and how serious he views his role as the legal guardian of Dareus and his siblings. By no means is this a taboo topic for either party, again they have been very open with it all.
Moreover, I didn’t really feel hesitant to write about it because it’s such a positive story. Dareus wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth, by all accounts he has had a very difficult life. He could have gone down a lot of bad paths, but he didn’t. He turned out to be, by all accounts, a very good kid, a good student in the classroom, someone who worked extremely hard to hone his craft so he could be a star in his field of choice, and someone who serves as a positive role model for a lot of people. In my book, that’s a great story of overcoming adversity. To me that shouldn’t be viewed with shame, it should be viewed with pride.
And furthermore, if nothing else, it’s all the more reason to stand by him given what he is going through now.
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by outsidethesidelines on Jul 24, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great Story
Ya’ll are doing a great job at covering this subject from every angle possible with the info you can get. YOU’RE RIGHT, HE IS SOLIDIFIED IN OUR MEMORIES FOR HIS ACHIEVEMENTS.
"Defense"
This is all going to come to light...
one way or another. Personally, I’d rather get this info. from someone who actually cares about how all this affects Dareus and his family (OTS) than from some self-serving journalist who is just looking for dirt.
Nice write-up.
Good stuff
Personal, but not judgmental. If anything, it bears a striking similarity to something the old-timers called “journalism.” Nice work, OTS.
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by pantsfucious on Jul 24, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Big thank you!
I got so mad at all the media and radio hosts yesterday and couldn’t even listen to any of it today it was so bad. They are doing no investigative journalism. All they are doing is reading what other people are writing. Trust me, I generally loathe the people I am talking about anyway (Jim Rome, LT, and Finebaum to name 3) but if I can put 2 and 2 together then why the hell can’t they!!!!!!!! Darrius was not found with a dead white hooker and a bag of cocain but that’s what they are treating him like. If it’s as bad as it could be then fine. Get rid of him and we move on. But I don’t think it went down like that. And I DO blame the agents! Wake up people the situation has gotten really bad over the past 10 years. Smitty’s agent got a 10% cut (at least) from his 54 million dollar payday. What does he care that he ruined Andre’s legacy at Alabama and that he could have brought our football program to it’s knees.
Stupidity and missplaced anger.
Thank you RBR for being the only people willing to look for the truth.
I hardly think Andre's legacy was "ruined"
sure, what happened sucked for both us and him, but let’s not allow that to tarnish his 3 full years of accomplishments as one of the best lineman to ever take the field at the capstone. As for agents, it’s my understanding that they get roughly 3% of the take from their clients’ signed contracts. Endorsement deals are slightly higher (around 10%), and drafting those contracts is where they make the majority of their money. I’m not defending these assholes, just attempting to clarify.
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by Thomas Walker Esq on Jul 24, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
His legacy...
…is not necessarily ruined, but it will remain irrevocably tarnished, essentially for the reason Pete stated. Andre is almost certainly one of the top five OL guys to ever play at Alabama, but apparently he was neither helpful or honest when this issue arose. Also, I’ll never forget the 2008 preseason show that gave us a glimpse of CNS telling him something to the effect of, “You only do the work when you have to do it…you ought to do it ’cause you want to do it.” Combine that with the way he ‘handled’ his own NFL affairs, and it’s hard to view him in the same light as men like John Hannah, Dwight Stephenson, ‘Tarzan’ White, Fred Sington, Sylvester Croom…or Chris Samuels — the finest LT in Tide history.
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 24, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Good stuff
Thanks for the update! And just FYI… I think his name is actually Marvin Austin! Not Austin Marvin! Or did the joke go over my head?
by d12 on Jul 24, 2010 8:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Funny.
You’re right, and there is no joke, but here at RBR there is so much sarcasm and inside jokes going on, it’s hard to tell sometimes!
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jul 24, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Grambling State Coach Rod Broadway
had a few nice words to say about the situation. I think he nailed it better than Saban did.
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by Thomas Walker Esq on Jul 24, 2010 8:25 AM CDT reply actions
Next "Blindside"?
If this all works out okay for Dareus, could his family background be the next human interest story similar to Michael Oher and “Blindside” movie?
New Coach Saban cameo FTW!
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jul 24, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
i really have the highest hopes
that this will all blow over when everything comes to light. my biggest questions regarding this whole situation are 1) why didn’t marcell get this trip ‘approved’ as ingram did his to dc/baltimore and 2) even if he didn’t see a need to get it approved, why didn’t he tell coach what almost transpired in miami, once he got back?
i don’t mean to be debbie downer because, like i said, i don’t believe marcell did anything wrong. i’m just bummed he wasn’t forthcoming before he HAD to be.
"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban
I'm guessing
he was a little more concerned with burying his mother than ratting on a “friend”.
That white stuff on the top of chickencrap...... is chickencrap.
that comment sounds like you're trying to get shitty
and i’m not. i’m asking a couple of legitimate (i think) questions and am not trying to be negative. i don’t feel like you can play the ‘mother’ card given what we know of their relationship and situation. also, it’s been two months since all that happened. not wanting to rat on a friend is CERTAINLY a reason for not coming completely clean and is what i was looking for as a possible reason for not going to CNS after the dust settled so to speak, however, i don’t feel like ‘ratting’ is the right word when you’re trying to keep your own shit in order.
so my next question is what if Dareus did go to CNS, what would coach’s responsibilities be at that point? is there some sort of code that requires you notify the NCAA if you know of some shady dealings going on (sounds a little too like fulmer to me) or is it proper to take the spurrier road and just tell your kid to stay away from that kid?
let’s have a conversation here without insults flying around, if that’s possible.
"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban
oops
i can look back on my last comment and see how that would read snarky. I really am sorry. My intent was to bring out the disparity of those two priorities. I never intended to insult you, though I didn’t. Relationship or no, when your mother dies, that does take some priority I would think. Especially when you did nothing wrong and you can’t be sure if your friend did either.
That white stuff on the top of chickencrap...... is chickencrap.
No offense meant Lil'Sis
but how else is that statement supposed to come out? It’s a guess, it can’t be explained any further from my standpoint.
I think being engulfed in your mother’s death can be an overwhelming experience. God forbid the day I have to go through it since I know I’d lose it, but to what degree is the question.
As for waiting so long, do we really know the date that Marcell came forward with the information? The statements I’ve seen make it sound like the University had an investigation ongoing when all this stuff came out and Marcell’s name was brought to the media.
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by AlabamaJammer on Jul 24, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Roughly speaking, yes...
do we really know the date that Marcell came forward with the information?
According to the piece written by Kausler, Darues came forward to Saban and UA compliance once he saw the Austin story beginning to make news. That’s not a firm date, of course, but I would say we we could speculate that happened sometime around July 16th (when the UNC news broke). To the best of my knowledge, there was no investigation of Dareus by either the NCAA or UA compliance prior to his coming forward.
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by outsidethesidelines on Jul 24, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd say as soon as anyone connected
with the university knew about anything they would have and should have contacted the NCAA. Failure to contact the NCAA is what happened with Langham and that didn’t go so well did it? So likely when the story broke to the press Alabama was already investigating.
If Dareus did pay for the plane ticket and did stay with relatives in S.Fla. then he may have dodged a serious bullet.
As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.
This is most assuredly not true.
There are circumstances were contacting the NCAA is the proper protocol, but it’s also possible the our compliance dept took a look and decided there was no rule violation.
Also, what happened with Langham was playing a player who was ineligible because of a contract with an agent. It’s not that we didn’t contact the NCAA soon enough.
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agreed
i’m a bit curious though what the protocol is when one coach finds out a possible infraction by another coach’s player
"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban
My thought...
is that Ingram has probably become accustomed to having to get approval for everything following the year he had and winning the Heisman. While Marcell certainly has gotten some extra attention following the BCSCG, it’s nowhere near the spotlight that has been placed on Ingram.
Admittedly, this is all speculation on my part but it would seem reasonable that Ingram would be used to doing this and Dareus might not be.
OTS wrote a great journalistic piece
we’re allowed to speculate all we want!
"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban
I get where you’re coming from, but I think it’s worth considering — especially if it turns out that there was no extra benefit and no problem with eligibility — that Dareus played it by the book. I don’t think we know enough to say that dareus should have done X or shouldn’t have done Y. Yes, that’s what speculation is, but I think in this case it’s worth giving our guy the benefit of the doubt until we see a piece of evidence that suggests he screwed up somehow.
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you misunderstood
i am TOTALLY behind marcell and said so earlier. i’m basically trying to pic y’all brains so that i can cover all my questions with a logical answer.
"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban
Yeah, I get where you’re coming from, but folks are always going to seize on things like " i’m just bummed he wasn’t forthcoming before he HAD to be.".
The way things look now, I’m really thankful he operated with as much integrity as he did, and if there’s some small way that he could’ve done better — I’m not sure one can really be faulted for not doing it.
I mean, to me it’s like talking about a guy who rushed into a burning building to save a someone, but only got two of the three people out, and then questioning why he didn’t get all three.
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nope
more like not running into the burning building until the media got there, saving some lives and THEN being asked why he only got two of three.
i’m not trying to hate on marcell, i am impressed with everything he did which is why i am surprised he didn’t cross all the ts to make sure it wasn’t going to be a problem later.
"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban
You’re still missing the point.
We don’t know that there was a single reason to report anything to compliance. Having contact with an agent isn’t against the rules and, moreover, we don’t know that he actually did have contact with an agent.
Right now, if the story as we understand it turns out to be true, I’ve not heard anything even resembling the sort of thing that would cause him to be ineligible. Which means he didn’t commit a violation.
Which means there was nothing to report to our compliance department. To say nothing of the fact that he did report the issue before he HAD to.
You might not be trying to hate on him, but I’m not sure what else to call assuming he’s lying so that you can say he should’ve done something else.
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how in the world does it come off that i assume he is lying?
i wasn’t asking why he didn’t report to compliance although it appears he thought the whole party scene was shaky enough to NOT go, so in the spirit of CYA, why not? i don’t think he should have done something OTHER than what he did, i wish he had done something IN ADDITION TO.
in fact, i believe this whole thing is going to turn into a non-issue because he DIDN’T do anything wrong.
i am just looking for some input as to why he didn’t come home, take care of his personal business and then go to coach saban and say ‘hey coach, i wanted to let you know that i took a trip to see a friend (and now we know perhaps some family) in miami, and was invited to a party that i chose not to attend because i didn’t trust the circumstances surrounding it. Dont worry though cuz i have a receipt showing where i paid for the airfare and did not use the hotel room they tried to give me, so we’re all good’. if it’s because he didn’t want to rat anyone out, ok. so then my question is again, why not? if there’s no ‘honor system’, or whatever you want to call it, for turning someone in or even giving another coach a heads up when you suspect or have proof of improper contact regarding that coach’s player then again, why not let someone know?
after reading all the information available i have been able to nod my head and say, yep that makes sense. i’m just wanting to do the same with this last question.
"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban
Do you call the police every day to let them know which laws you didn’t break?
That’s what you’re asking. You’re asking why a player didn’t go tell coach Saban about a rule he didn’t break. The impracticality of this is astounding, to say nothing of the fact that the whole discussion is laden with outcome and hindsight biases.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 25, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I think what she's saying would be more akin to
calling your lawyer to tell him you suspect that some of your friends might have broken a law but you did not.
Sis, the best I can say is that he just had a lot on his mind and he just didn’t do it. And really there’s no reason that he HAD TO, it would’ve just been CYA.
So, the answer to your question is this: he didn’t go talk to Coach Saban about it (something we don’t know to be the case, actually) because there was no reason to do so.
You keep asking why he didn’t, but you haven’t yet identified a single reason why he should have.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 25, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I disagree that there was no reason to report the incident.
I think Marcell handled this situation as well as can be expected, and I’m proud that we have guys like him on our team. But in hindsight, I think there is an important lesson here. Even if you know beyond a doubt that you are in the clear because you understand the rules and follow them precisely, the compliance office is going to need some time to validate your story so that they can be satisfied your eligibility is not in question. If this story had come out six weeks later, it is difficult to imagine Marcell not missing at least one game while the compliance office does its due diligence. Now that wouldn’t be the end of the world, but it’s entirely avoidable by notifying the coaches and compliance office promptly. This is a point that may or may not have been in the forefront of the minds of our coaches, players, and compliance staff, but after this incident it should be.
I think the disconnect here is that you’re using the result to determine what the course of action should have been, which isn’t really fair.
Bottom line: the only reason he would have talked to compliance is if he had thought he’d done something wrong. He didn’t think so. He paid for his flight. He left the party when he heard there were agents there. If it turns out that he didn’t talk to an agent (though that would’ve been fine — talking to agents is not impermissible) or get any benefits from an agent, then there was literally no reason for him to tell anyone about it. It’s exactly like the calling the cops analogy above.
“Hi, Officer, I was just calling to let you know that on my drive home from work today, I almost went over the speed limit, but then did not go over the speed limit after all. I hope that’s okay.”
I think part of the problem is that you’re using everything you know now to influence your opinion about what you think should’ve happened then, but the stuff you know how hadn’t happened yet, and there’s a good chance Dareus didn’t know any of it was going on until the news story came out.
In order for there to be rules going forward, you have to be able to spell them out using only info that you’ll know at the time. What would your rule be? That’s what I’m trying to figure out. What was it that Dareus should’ve picked up on and said “Yeah, compliance needs to take a look at this”? Because all I’m hearing is “because this happened, he should’ve done this other thing”, but there needs to be a trigger.
“Contact with an agent” isn’t enough — as that fanshot from earlier today pointed out, our top players are getting contacted by agents multiple times a week, and that’s perfectly legal. They probably get offered illegal benefits regularly, and that’s perfectly legal, too (as long as they don’t actually accept any).
I’ve been trying to figure out what he could’ve keyed in on and I’m coming up blank — as far as we know, Dareus went to Saban/compliance the minute he found out something bad went down at the party.
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I don't think he's saying that Dareus should have done that
necessarily, but that it’s something other players in the future should think about.
Dareus thought enough about the situation to know that he didn’t want to stay at the party, but then he didn’t report his concerns to the compliance dept. I imagine that Saban might use this example (and the fact that, like krnxprs says, if this had come out a month later Dareus could’ve missed playing time even if he’s innocent) to make the point to other players that they should report such concerns in the future.
As for the “trigger”? Yeah it is legal for a player to be offered illegal benefits, as long as they don’t accept them. But don’t you think our compliance dept would say they should report such things if they happen? I would hope they start giving that message, if they are not already.
I see your point and I agree that at the time all this happened to Marcell, there was probably no reason for him to report the incident given what he knew at the time. But things are different now. We know now that the NCAA is going hard after cases like this now that they have resources in place to do so. That alone should cause a reevaluation of what warrants a report to the compliance office.
As far as where to draw the line, I’m sure someone more informed than me can figure that out. But off the top of my head I think any unsolicited contact from an agent or runner that is accompanied by the offer of an inappropriate benefit should be reported and for several reasons.
1. Two heads are better than one. Relying solely on the judgement of the athlete seems irresponsible when there are people on staff who’s jobs are to make those judgements.
2. Time is of the essence. If some level of investigation is required, it’s best for all involved to get that done asap.
3. The data might be useful for other reasons. Having some hard data on how often players are contacted by agents and by which agents could be useful if charges are ever brought against an agent in the future. It might also help the argument that the NFL and NFLPA need to be involved.
I think the analogy to reporting an almost-crime is not well suited. I think of it more like holding a security clearance where you have to report certain types of contact with foreign nationals, even though you know it was completely acceptable. At the very least, you would tell your security officer about the contact and ask if you need to make a report.
Finally, I think it is really sad that our student-athletes have to deal with stuff like this, but I think agent-gate has marked the start of a new era in dealing with the NCAA.
So what I’m hearing is that you want something to change even though you don’t now what the rule was before. I can understand the emotion of it, but that’s just not good logic or policy.
As far as where to draw the line, I’m sure someone more informed than me can figure that out. But off the top of my head I think any unsolicited contact from an agent or runner that is accompanied by the offer of an inappropriate benefit should be reported and for several reasons.
But you’re one of the people calling for a change of policy or behavior. If you don’t know where the line should be drawn, and you don’t know where the line is drawn now, how do you now that it needs to be some place else? What evidence do we have that Dareus was offered an improper benefit? As far as I’ve seen, we’ve got none — so it looks like Dareus followed your rule pretty well and then some.
Time is of the essence. If some level of investigation is required, it’s best for all involved to get that done asap.
I recognize that you’d like to construct policies and rules that will prevent us from ever losing a player or playing one who should’ve been deemed ineligible, but I think it’s worth considering that such a situation is impossible to create and rules attempting to create that situation are going to be so impractical as to be useless.
I think the analogy to reporting an almost-crime is not well suited. I think of it more like holding a security clearance where you have to report certain types of contact with foreign nationals, even though you know it was completely acceptable.
We don’t know that Dareus had any sort of contact with anyone and it is looking more and more like everything as handled on the up and up. You can call your attorney every day and explain your every move to them just to make sure you didn’t break any laws. You could do that. Or you could wait until you have reason to suspect that you might have broken a law.
This is a frustrating discussion because, frankly, nobody knows anything, but a lot of folks are hair-trigger paranoid. There have been a bunch of calls for talking to compliance sooner, but despite the thousands of words spilled, I have yet to see a practical rule that we have even a sliver of evidence would have applied to this situation.
Everyone wants “change”, but that desire is coming less out of an educated and informed policy stance and more out of fear and paranoia.
This isn’t a “new era” of dealing with the NCAA. It’s the same old NCAA being proactive about an area they were more reactive about in the past. No new rules, no new policies. Because of our precarious situation with the NCAA for the past decade or two, I’m confident that our current institutional policies w/r/t the NCAA are pretty solid. I mean, christ, Dareus got a damn receipt for a plane ticket his buddy fronted him the money for and then left a party because there were agents there, despite the fact that contact with agents is legal. I think it’s important that we stop reacting to this situation out of fear and look at the bright side: rather than saying Dareus should’ve done X or Y differently, which is based entirely on hindsight and outcome biases, look at the fact that he did everything he could’ve been expected to do, and then some, pretty flawlessly.
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Also, keep in mind that these players can break the rules whenever they want to. The temptations are there constantly. Going this far out of his way to avoid that temptation is a gold star for Dareus, not some kind of bad omen that we need to construct rules to fix.
I'm wrong all the time.
100% agree, gold star for Dareus
I may be coming off as too pessimistic and paranoid because I’ve been focused on this one debatable aspect, but I do recognize that this whole incident has been handled extremely well by everyone involved with the program.
As far as where the line should be on reporting contact, I have my opinion as stated above, but I know my opinion isn’t worth that much at face value. It’s just my part in the discussion. I don’t care if policies are changed or not; I simply want them to be sufficient and I’m making the point that they did not appear to be so in this case. We got lucky due to the timing.
Comparing the NCAA rules to laws is erroneous. You have to be proven guilty of breaking a law before you are punished. But in the situations we are discussing with the NCAA now, the appearance of impropriety is enough to get you benched until you are proven innocent.
Also, Marcell was set up to stay in a swanky hotel room. I’d say that is potentially an offer of an improper benefit by an agent through a third party. In my opinion, that’s the sort of thing that needs to be reported. So if Marcell did everything by the book (which I think he did), then that is an indication that the book needs an update.
more like not running into the burning building until the media got there, saving some lives and THEN being asked why he only got two of three.
That’s not really fair. Dareus DID do the “right thing” (getting receipt for airfare, leaving the party, not staying at the hotel) without any involvement from the media. I think Pete’s analogy there is pretty good.
I would simply overload the NCAA with information...too much information...
I would have a Univ. Compliance Official just follow Marcel around, tweeting his every move.
530am: Marcell woke up.
533am:Marcell went to the restroom.
620am: I had to get out of the apartment so I could breathe.
640am: Marcell went to McDonalds and consumed the left side of the breakfast menu……twice.
700am: Marcell says he is taking fiber pills and has to stop at a local gas staion.
720am: People are fleeing the gas station
730am: Marcell reports for practice
800am: I am pretty sure Marcell just killed a man, a freshman walk on, in tackling drills
815am: They extracted the young man from the dirt with a back hoe, he may be ok…etc etc
"Make no mistake, its not revenge Sabans after... It's the reckoning."
by mrpelicanpants on Jul 29, 2010 11:30 AM CDT reply actions

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