Alabama's 13 National Champion Football Teams
On Jan. 7 the Alabama Crimson Tide football team defeated the University of Texas Longhorns in the historic Rose Bowl Stadium and claimed the school's 13th National Championship. And almost immediately the shopworn complaints about the Tide's claim to that number of titles were dusted off and readied for use.
Within weeks an unsigned e-mail began circulating "debunking" the Crimson Tide's claim to the twelve titles earned by the program prior to the 2009 season. Author Alan Barra subsequently issued a devastating response to this anonymous missive in the Birmingham Weekly outlining its surfeit of errors, misrepresentations and outright falsehoods.
But addressing one sloppy attempt to malign the championship tradition at the Capstone is just a drop in the bucket. Cheap shots about the number of titles claimed by the university are a staple amongst our foes. Which is always amusing since these attacks tend to wither away almost completely under any type of reasonable analysis.
So as a public service to the Crimson Tide faithful, we here at Roll Bama Roll have come up with a handy entry containing all the information on the 13 teams recognized by the University of Alabama as National Champions.
This is not a defense of the teams recognized as champions. For that I urge you to dig up the 2009 issue of Yea Alabama where our own Pete Holiday provides up a 4,000-word exegesis on the subject. His verdict: The university might be over-counting, but not by much.
To kick things off, here is the list of all 13 of Alabama's National Championship teams:
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† Consensus National Championships
In addition to these 13, the university also notes there are five other Crimson Tide squads that have a legitimate argument for inclusion as national champions but are not formally recognized for that achievement.
Here is a list of those teams:
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It seems pretty clear that the university has plausible grounds for the teams it includes in its list of national champions, so why all the fuss?
We're so glad you asked...
Given the complexity of the task at hand such controversy is pretty much the nature of the beast. As Pete explained in his Yea Alabama article:
The biggest problem is that we have a field of around 120 football teams who play 12-14 games a season with minimal overlap. Choosing the "best" or "most deserving" team is always going to be a guessing game.
That state of affairs is then made even murkier by the fact the NCAA does not recognize any national champions in Football Bowl Subdivision (formerly Division IA). The association does provide a list of results from recognized national championship selectors as well as a tally of the consensus national champions (something often mistaken for official "recognition" of the championship).
In lieu of the association's imprimatur on a title there's no agreed-upon method for designating college football's national champion over the whole history of the sport. The result, Pete points out, is that college football National Championships are largely self-proclaimed by the universities and "the number depends almost entirely on how you define a championship."
That brings us to even greater confusion as the methods of defining college football's champions has seen a heck of a lot of change over the past century.The vicissitude has done very little to quell disputes over which teams rightfully deserve the title.
Things got started during the 1920s with a "rush" for determining national champions using mathematical systems. The first, and probably most famous, of these was devised by University of Illinois economics professor Frank G. Dickinson.
The Dickinson System anointed national champions from 1926 to 1940 but it was hardly alone. Within a few years it was joined by the Alderson System, the Houlgate System, the Williamson System and a host of others with varying degrees of longevity and credibility.
Adding to the confusion is that many of these systems then awarded retroactive national championships -- further obfuscating the debate over which program rightfully could claim the title in a given year. That led to the emergence of research selectors designed primarily to address questions of past (or retroactive) championships.
College football historian Parke H. Davis established the first serious effort in the 1933 edition of Spalding's Football Guide. They have become a staple of the discussion as efforts to deduce "retroactive champions" for each season in the history of the sport has gained momentum.
In the mid-1930s, the polls got started as a means for newspapers to collate assessments of various teams. Although it took them a few decades to gain prominence, when they did they became the established means of selection a national champion for college football. And while we tend to think of just a handful national polls there actually have been quite a few over the years, many of which still exist and do their selections in the shadow of the current BCS format.
It should also be noted that at the onset both the systems and polls were biased against the south. This was only partially due to the oft-invoked perception that teams from the region were inferior to those in the north, midwest and Pacific Coast. The more practical fact was the selectors were driven by newspapers and other publications that were geographically located significantly far away from the locales where southern teams played.
This situation slowly improved during the middle of the century and the time the 1960s rolled around, college football underwent a series of dramatic changes along with the nation as a whole. In previous eras, the relative isolation of each conference and the scarcity of post-season bowl games rendered determining a champion at the national level pretty much academic. That situation altered faster than anyone expected due to a convergence of factors.
The first was travel. Between the completion of the interstate highway system and the access to air transport, suddenly teams (and fans) could afford away games as part of the regular season rather than just for a bowl game over the Christmas holiday. The second was television which transformed the sport from one appreciated by direct attendance to one that was enjoyed by fans in the comfort of their living rooms nationwide.
As the profile of the sport rose to the national level, the natural inclination to honor an overall champion grew as well. Thus we see the emergence of "consensus national champions" and, in years opinions were divided, the hottest debates over which teams rightfully deserve the title. This is the era of Alabama's "consensus" national titles.
This chaotic mess was pretty much the accepted status quo for the next two decades. The fact that Alabama chose to acknowledge the National Championships under Coach Paul W. Bryant was not much fodder for debate (the issue surrounding the 1966 title denied the Crimson Tide was much more of a point of disagreement).
That all changed in 1983 when the university's sports information director Wayne Atcheson added the five titles prior to Coach Bryant's tenure in that year's media guide. Today, he admits his selection wasn't exactly the most scientific but they have come to be accepted as canonical by Alabama fans.
To an extent, the arrival of the Bowl Championship System in 1998 has silenced the yearly debate about the national champion (the controversy now rages about inclusion). From a historical standpoint the BCS is an interesting return to the first era of championship selectors -- a system method of selection the title team that integrates the poll approach.
Yet the questions about the historical champions remains unresolved and the protests by our foes has continued unabated. Our feeling today is that if you want to disagree with our claim to 13 National Championships is perfectly fine. We welcome the debate.
But as soon a you do, you best be prepared to lay out a reasonable standard to use instead -- and we're highly confident Crimson Tide will emerge on top by that measure as well.
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College Football National Champion Selectors
Note: This is by no means a complete list of the groups, systems and polls that have been created to select a national champion for college football. Rather, it includes those selectors used by the University of Alabama for establishing the validity of the Crimson Tide teams that are recognized as National Champions.
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* Included on the NCAA's historical list of Football Bowl Subdivision champions.
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Outstanding.
This is the type of post I’ve been wanting to see here for a long time.
Have you ever considered writing a book of some kind on Alabama football? Your writing style has that “Dunnavant feel” to it, and your research is top notch. As always, great work.
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jul 5, 2010 8:19 AM CDT reply actions
Good article
I am amongst those few BAMA fans that does not count the ’41 title but would happily replace it with the ’66 title.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
I'll say "13" as long as the University does,
but yeah I too think our claims would be taken more seriously if we didn’t claim ’41.
There’s actually a not-so-crazy claim for 1941, but good luck getting anyone to give you any credit for it.
I'm wrong all the time.
Agreed...
…and if I recall your article correctly, you implied that the 1973 claim might be the more dubious of the two. I’m inclined to agree, even though that ’73 team was outstanding….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 5, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
1941
I agree with you there, but UA isn’t going to change their tune anytime soon. I wouldn’t be opposed to just claiming post-AP poll nat’l championships if every other school did, but that’s not happening either. I think Oklahoma is the only school that doesn’t claim pre-AP championships (who has some), but I could be wrong.
Fight on, fight on, fight on men! Remember the Rose Bowl, we’ll win then.
Personally, I’ve long held that we ought to claim 18. If folks are going to poke fun for us claiming everything that even LOOKS like a title, we might as well do it.
I'm wrong all the time.
I'd settle for 1966...
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 5, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
We have to catch up with Princeton somehow
"You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But there's nothing funny about vapor lock! It's the third most common cause of cars stalling. So please, take care of your car and get it checked!" -Joe Namath
I doubt that you've long held that we ought to claim 18...
…I mean, we just won the 18th a few months back….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 5, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah, I think we ought to claim 19 now.
The 18 we have a legitimate claim to, and one more that changes every year just to piss off the ’Barners.
I'm wrong all the time.
in that case...
i nominate alabama’s first undefeated season, 1897.
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I think we should claim 18
and be done with the arguing. Let other schools claim as many as they feel they can in good faith claim. Auburn should be able to claim two, 57 & 04 (assuming one of the “selectors” picked them in 04 and I don’t know if they did.) Some other SEC schools like UGA & UT could probably claim another one or two from way back and that would give them around 3-4 each.
The bottom line is does it really hurt anyone if a team from the past that was selected by some legit service as #1 is now recoginized by their university as a national champion? And you do need to remember that before the 60’s, or even the 70’s most of the “selectors” were from the north and they did look down on the south. I think the south did not get a fair shake in this and the best example is 1966.
And, the funny thing about the “13” [or the “11” as first proclaimed in the 1983 guide] is that Wayne Atchenson decided on the “11”. If he had picked “10” or “12” or even “16” that would have been the offical number and today we would be saying we have “12” or “14” or “18.”
By the way…great article.
If we have to expand...let's keep it to 14.
I disagree about '04
Auburn should be able to claim two, 57 & 04 (assuming one of the "selectors" picked them in 04 and I don’t know if they did.)
I’m not saying this just because it’s Auburn, but if you claim a title in the BCS era without winning the BCS championship game, then you’re an idiot.
And they're the only school's fans...
…who are idiots if they claim a title in the BCS era with winning the BCS championship….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 5, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Except the BCS system
is not perfect. Even in the BCS era you will have teams with a claim to the title that did not play in the game because someone picked them as NC. USC did win the AP poll- I mean that is legit.
If Auburn got a legit selection from some non bias recognized ranking system let them claim it. But, you can’t self proclaim, that is bogus. Someone of some substance must pick you.
If we have to expand...let's keep it to 14.
auburn was recognized by Darryl W. Perry and GBE College Football Ratings.
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Honestly, in the BCS era I believe No BCS = No Title. That doesn’t mean they can’t claim it, but everyone agreed on a championship system, so we ought to use it.
I'm wrong all the time.
I think some people
like Boise would like to take back their agreement.
And, I’m pretty ignorant here but did all 120 D-1 schools vote by secret ballot (or otherwise) unanomously (sp?) to go with the BCS game as THE National Title. If they did, the case is closed…only one champ per year.
As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.
The BHam Weekly link isn't working for me
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fixed
http://bhamweekly.com/birmingham/article-1488-letter-to-an-unknown-auburn-fan.html
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Correction
Kleph – Bama was actually 11-1 in 1977 and not 10-2 as indicated above. Thanks.
fixed
took me a bit to figure out what happened, though. i was using wikepedia as a backcheck for the list after entering the data. they have an incorrect tally in the main list of alabama season totals and didn’t remember to go back and look at the UA info to be sure.
i think the rest are good though. if anyone catches any other errors, let me know. part of the reason i posted this is to have the right data easily available to everyone.
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this is not clear
my rule in this post is to reflect the university of alabama’s position but, since the new media guide is not out, i’m unsure how they are going to refer to it.
technically speaking, of course it is. but if you pop over to the NCAA’s page, you’ll see that the BCS has pretty much transplanted the designation. there is no consensus because the BCS obligates it’s participants to follow it’s rules — in this case, voting for the title game winner. the exception, of course, is the split usc/lsu title in 2003.
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The best is UT fans making fun of our "fake" championships
when they claim the 67 championship awarded by Litkenhous for their 9-2 season including a loss in the Orange Bowl.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
How about not claiming one because of having class
Like we did in 45. I read that the reason that Frank Thomas didn’t fight for the distinction was partly because ARMY was the recipient and he wasnt about to be unpatriotic during wartime for the sake of a championship, especially at the expense of ARMY.
"get your ass ready for a streetfight... and i like a streetfight."
by make his ass quit! on Jul 5, 2010 9:53 PM CDT reply actions
I thought the
war ended in August of 1945 so the 1945 season was not played during war time.
Alabama v. Army game that year would have been a classic. We did not have a close game all season but neither did Army.
If we have to expand...let's keep it to 14.
These guys...
…FTW…

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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 6, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions

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