'Bama Faces Long, Rugged Road to Repeat
The vexing question among Alabama fans since the hangover cleared the air from January 7th has undeniably been, "Can Alabama repeat in 2010?" So, what say you, OTS? The short answer is that, yes, it's certainly possible, but realistically the odds of actually doing it are very, very long.
From the outset, a splash of cold water to the face: 2009 was the mountain top, as I've previously written, and undefeated seasons in the torturous gauntlet that is the modern day SEC are exceptionally rare. I don't care how good your coach is, or how well you have recruited, or have much quality depth you have, chances are that someone is going to get you along the way. The mixture of a fourteen game schedule with a brutal slew of opponents, restrictions on roster size, injuries, and random luck almost always proves to be too much for even the best of the best. Prior to the Tide's 2009 run, the SEC turned out four national champions in this past decade, but not a single one of those teams was able to emerge from the conference slate unscathed, which is to say nothing of the 2001 Tennessee team that was knocked out of the BCS Championship Game after being upset in Atlanta by LSU.
Moreover, each season is the effective dawn of a new day. Some people like to believe in the notion that you can take the previous season as a baseline and then add or subtract from it based on the offseason attrition of the teams in question, but in reality things are far more complicated than that simplistic analysis ever envisions. Simply put, each year is different. The teams are different, the players are different, the location of the games is different, the coaches are often different, and the strategies employed by the teams often change as well. Again, it's a new day, and the harsh truth of the matter is that it is largely irrelevant as to who went 14-0 last year when two teams line up to do battle one year removed.
On a broader note, history ought to tell the tale. Twelve BCS championship games have been played to date, but no team has been able to pull off the back-to-back feat, and most teams cannot even fight their way back for another appearance. Going back further, only once in the past two decades has a program won back-to-back national championships. 'Bama probably won't be able to reverse those trends in 2010.
More specifically, looking ahead a couple of months to the 2010 season, it's hard not to see the potential pitfalls for Alabama. The schedule is once again brutal, featuring a major non-conference showdown against Penn State to go along with Florida, Auburn, and Ole Miss, plus road trips to play Duke, Arkansas, Tennessee, South Carolina, and LSU. And then, even if all that works out, you still have Florida a third year in a row in Atlanta. Pretty much everyone on the schedule gets an off week to rest and prepare for the Tide. The defensive secondary is short on proven commodities and depth. The kicking game could be the least productive we've seen in many years in Tuscaloosa (and that is saying something). The offense returns with the entire unit almost intact, but all of that retention is balanced by the certainty that the offense will have to play at a much higher level and do so on a more consistent basis than it did in 2009 for the Tide to make the trip to Glendale. Bottom line, it does not take a once-in-a-generation football mind to figure how the Tide may come up short in its bid to repeat.
Furthermore, speaking strictly in terms of the chances of Alabama repeating as national champions in 2010, Alabama faces a more fundamental problem than anything written above. Consider the following. BetUS is one of the major betting houses that offers a comprehensive rundown of NCAA Football odds, and last year their pre-season odds for winning the 2009 national championship went roughly as follows:
Florida: 7/4
Oklahoma: 9/2
USC: 7:1
Texas: 8/1
Ohio State: 9/1
Alabama: 25/1
Consider those numbers for a moment, particularly Florida. Remember, 2008 Florida was -- despite a mystifying loss to Ole Miss -- undoubtedly one of the most dominant teams in the modern history of college football, and moving forward to 2009 practically everyone returned. As guaranteed locks to win a national championship go, Florida was the most definite, sure-fire repeat contender we've seen in many, many years. Yet, per the betting class, there was almost as good of a chance for them to lose out in 2009 as there was for them to repeat. And, of course, when all was said and done they indeed did lose out on their bid to repeat. And moving on past Florida, as you can see, the odds of any one team winning the national championship were very small, even for the prohibitive "favorites." With that as a specific example, the broader truth of the matter is that, regardless of how good you are, the odds of any one individual team winning a national championship in any given year are low. And that goes for Alabama in 2010, even with Nick Saban and Mark Ingram and whatever other factor you can reel off.
With all of that established, however, the one redeeming feature that Alabama may find in 2010 is that, unlike 2009, the rest of the college football landscape seems much more bearish. What should be kept in mind regarding the 2009 national championship is that -- and this is, in many ways, what makes it so truly special -- complete and total perfection was a pre-requisite to even getting to Pasadena in the first place, much less winning when you arrived there, and Alabama was forced to do so against a brutal schedule. Not only did Alabama have to go undefeated in the regular season at a time when the SEC was at its apogee as the undeniable superpower conference, they had to beat the seemingly unstoppable Gators in Atlanta, which was led the senior Mr. Everything quarterback, who many felt to be the greatest player in the history of college football. And then when the Tide made it through Atlanta, they had to beat another undefeated team in the Rose Bowl, a traditional powerhouse that it had never beaten before. In other words, in terms of the favorability of conditions for a potential national championship run, 2009 was effectively the worst-case scenario in almost every aspect imaginable. Consider 2009 the football equivalent of trying to safely land a B-52 in total darkness during the middle of blizzard of legendary proportion.
Moving forward into 2010, though, the margin of error seems greater. Florida loses even more in 2010 than does Alabama, plus they have questions surrounding their head coach. Tennessee, Georgia, and Auburn will not be ready to compete for a national championship, and LSU will have to take a major step forward over the past two years if they plan to do so. The Big Ten is, well, the Big Ten, and only Ohio State seems to be a legitimate contender. Oklahoma and Texas will be in the thick of things, but they must replace key pieces and no one else seems ready to step up in the Big XII. USC is banned from bowl games, and the remaining Pac-9 features a Big East / ACC-esque lineup of squads -- with no real chance of anyone from those three conferences making the championship game. Admittedly, a team like Boise or Utah could spike the proverbial punch bowl, but even taking them into consideration 2010 seems ripe for a team with one loss (or perhaps two?) to find its way into the BCS Championship Game, and if Alabama can somehow emerge from the SEC fight as the conference champion -- even if the Tide does so scathed and somewhat beaten at 12-1 or perhaps even 11-2 -- then Alabama may very well be able to finagle that into a trip to Glendale. Given the SEC's status as the premiere conference in the sport, the smart money would clearly be on the SEC champion being the representative if indeed a team with a loss on its resume can make it in.
Even so, more likely than not it will not happen. Accept that as a reality and move on with it. We'll probably lose at least once in 2010, perhaps even more, and we likely won't repeat as national championship. It could happen, sure, but the odds are clearly against it. We've got issues in our own right, and the schedule looks more and more daunting with each passing glance. Simple enough.
But that somewhat sour note shouldn't be dwelled on for too long. While Alabama faces long odds on the road to a repeat national championship, the truth remains that as a whole Alabama should still be very good and will undoubtedly win a lot of football games. Even with some bad luck the bottom end for Alabama in 2010 is likely around 8-4 -- not bad for those of us who still vividly remember things like this -- and the smart money is clearly on Alabama getting north of ten wins for the third year in a row, finishing in the top ten, notching more wins over Tennessee and Auburn, and likely having a better chance of winning the SEC than any other conference member. And, beyond 2010, Alabama moves forward with a mixture of coaching, depth, recruiting prowess, facilities, and administrative support that would make almost any other program in the country turn green with envy. It is that, and not whether or not Alabama can repeat as national champions, which everyone should be focused on as Alabama moves onto a new season.
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Wow. So we could be 8-4?
I guess all these preseason poll experts who have us number 1 are frauds? We may not repeat as you say, but we will not lose 4 games.
losing 4 games is very possible
and yes, preseason poll “experts” are generally frauds
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No need to be a smartass
OTS is just playing devil’s advocate
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by BamaReturns07 on Jul 7, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
What part of
and the smart money is clearly on Alabama getting north of ten wins for the third year in a row
did you not read?
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jul 7, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
More and more, I’m becoming convinced that this guy is just a really, really good troll.
I'm wrong all the time.
seen some weird backhanded compliments from ol boy myself.....
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
Well, OTS said the bottom end is 8-4........
And it is reasonable to think that with bad luck, we could lose to UF, PSU, and two of any other of the extremely difficult last 6 games on the schedule against teams that have an off week before playing us……..having said that, OTS said the smart money is on us getting north of ten wins, and if we do that, I agree that we will have a good shot at getting into the BCS championship game………the facts are, that we have some serious holes to fill – the special teams situation has me up nights, and our young defensive backfield will get a serious test early from PSU, Arkansas, and Florida………if we do make it through those games, however, I feel really good about our chances of making it through the rest of our schedule without a loss………
I have a love/ hate
relationship with these "things to freak out about " and “bama probably won’t repeat in ’10” such a debbie downer but great info at the same time..
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
part of the logic here...
is realistically assessing the weakness in the team from the start and then, when practice begins, start looking at the positives as they emerge. most likely saban and co. will be addressing these specific issues and we’ll be ready to assess that as information about it emerges in august.
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Could go either way.
February of ‘09 I was telling anyone that would listen that we would have an undefeated NC season. This year, I’ve been a good deal quieter. The difference between another NC and 10-4/11-3 is a razor’s edge in my opinion.
Some people say "If you can't beat them, join them". I say "If you can't beat them, beat them", because they will be expecting you to join them, so you will have the element of surprise.
by BamaHadMeAtHello on Jul 7, 2010 9:14 AM CDT reply actions
The truth of the matter
is we have more talent than any team we will face this year, with the exceptions of maybe Florida and LSU. We play Florida at home, so I like our chances, and we have a bye prior to the LSU game. I still don’t see 4 losses on that schedule, barring some huge amount of injuries to our secondary.
Most of that talent
couldn’t be more raw. And a “huge amount” of injuries wouldn’t be necessary. One or two guys go down back there and we’re screwed.
Some people say "If you can't beat them, join them". I say "If you can't beat them, beat them", because they will be expecting you to join them, so you will have the element of surprise.
by BamaHadMeAtHello on Jul 7, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
If you don’t “see” them, you aren’t looking.
Listen, we had to block a field goal last year to beat tennessee, a team with vastly inferior talent to what we put on the field. We weren’t ready for Auburn’s first quarter explosion and trickery.
We lost to ULM a few years ago and nobody is going to argue that they had a talent advantage at any position.
Simply put: talent isn’t determinative.
I'm wrong all the time.
just ask LSU fans
how much talent means to winning football games.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
There are LSU fans...
…who would say that, if it weren’t for the talent, they wouldn’t be winning any football games….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed with this
furthermore, if Julio hadn’t broken free in the LSU game, or if Fitzgerald hadn’t made the TD saving tackle fairly early in the Florida game, those two games could have played out completely different too.
Also, let’s not forget how Ingram had to put the team on his back to get past South Carolina at home.
The Process of Champions
And if Saban stayed in Miami, and the world was flat
and not round, and blah blah blah. If we are going to talk in hypotheticals what is the point? None of those things did happen. Players made plays in big game situations. That is what championship teams do. Alabama will be favored in every game they play this year. If we lose a game it will be considered an upset.
by skegler on Jul 7, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
obviously..you want to hear something like this..
ALABAMA RULZ! Weez gonna win EVERY game forever…mark it 15 in a row against the barn…Sabans the bestest coach ever and will never lose another game…bama BACK TO BACK TO BACK TO BACK TO BACK TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
I like hearing things like that
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
"This is not the end. This is the beginning." - The Great and Powerful Saban
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jul 7, 2010 10:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
for now?
it’s just “back to back” thank you. i’ll start in on that “three peat” garbage on january 8th….
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
again, nobody is saying we won't be favored in all of our games
the point remains that last year we were a couple of plays from being on par with our 2005 team (or even worse).
If we can’t talk in hypotheticals then why the hell are we even talking about games that haven’t been played yet?
The Process of Champions
If we are going to talk in hypotheticals what is the point?
You do realize that you’re posting in a thread about a season that has yet to happen, right?
The whole damn thing is hypothetical.
If we lose a game it will be considered an upset.
Thank god upsets never happen. We have nothing to worry about. (Also, if we lose two games early, expect not to be favored versus LSU or Florida)
I'm wrong all the time.
Actually reread my post
I was commenting on factual plays that did happen in the 2009 season. The point was all those plays did happen and to argue otherwise is redundant.
If you want to be a pessimist have at it. I am not sure what you get from it, but to each his own. To say that this team has the potential to lose 4 games and not explain to who or how these losses will occur reduces credibility for me to the author.
Your inability to reason reduces your credibility to me as a human being
Let me give you a list of teams that could beat us this year:
Penn State
Duke
Arkansas
Florida
South Carolina
Mississippi
Tennessee
LSU
MSU
Auburn
As you might notice, that list has more than four teams on it. The losses could occur by that team scoring more points than us by fluke, luck, poor officiating, our own slip ups and miscues, or any combination thereof.
You say you don’t want to talk about hypotheticals, but everything about the 2010-11 season is hypothetical.
I'm wrong all the time.
There are a couple of true landmines in there...
And they are roughly in three categories:
Obviously, there are the big power games and rivals: Tenn, LSU, Auburn, Penn State and Florida.
Then there are just the nasty, grinding conference conference games where one poor play changes the whole tenor of the game, for the worse: So. Car., Ole Miss, Arkansas,
Then, there are the ones that better teams can and do lose based on poor mental preparation, effort, etc, and where the opposing team has some talent to exploit mistakes: Duke and MSU
This is as nasty a schedule as we’ve had in a while, and we can easily be starting at one to ten losses.
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 7, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
we can easily be starting at one to ten losses.
exactly…though 10 loses would be highly unlikely…anything can happen.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
I wouldn't...
…go as far as to say we can easily be staring at ten losses, but I otherwise agree with your assessment.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
i think the point in this whole debate is
That though 8-4 is a possibility, very few of us believe it can or will happen…but we also understand the nature of the beast and that no matter what you think will happen…we really have no fucking clue
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
2000 did happen
Who didn’t think we were going to win the NC after we returned the first punt for a touchdown against UCLA?
You mean...
…right after, or a couple of hours after?
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 13, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
You're not losing 10 games
Though I do think your point is correct – the schedule is pretty tough for everybody in the West this year. Even if Bama suffers no decline in quality whatsoever, an always questionable proposition, the division just looks to be stronger.
The three other major contenders in the West were all sunk last season by one truly terrible unit (the defense in Auburn and Arkansas, the offense at LSU). If those teams merely get improvement of their weak unit from awful to average, they become much tougher opponents. And it’s not like Bama crushed Auburn or LSU last season. The margin between the teams isn’t that great.
I think the real problem for Bama this year, and everyone in the West, is the grind. There are four teams who harbor legitimate aspirations to win the division. Bama, on paper, is certainly the best of the group, but the margin is not as great as many seem to think. Playing three top quality teams in the division (not to mention two decent Mississippi schools) is a daunting challenge for any program.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
Another point that’s being missed here: even if Alabama has no drop in quality and even if none of our opponents got any better, it’s still incredibly low odds to go 14-0.
I'm wrong all the time.
even if Alabama has no drop in quality and even if none of our opponents got any better
Not even economists, with their hypothetical statistical worlds of ceteris paribus, would take those odds.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 7, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think so either...
But I can easily see 2-4 with the green secondary and tough schedule. Arkansas scares the hell out of me (last year’s score was not indicative of the game…Mallett missed several easy throws to move the chains, etc). And for some reason, South Carolina terrifies me too.
Auburn upgraded at QB (but downgraded at TB); MSU is slowly getting better; Ole Miss will have a nasty defense; who knows what to expect of LSU’s offense; and Florida will be their typically nasty selves.
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 7, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
LSU as a wild card
You ain’t kidding when you say who knows what to expect. You can make a reasonable case for LSU to be a great offense, a truly terrible offense, or anywhere in between. If you want to talk about a team that could lose one or lose ten games… it’s LSU this year.
I, frankly, have absolutely no idea what kind of team we’re gonna have. We could be great. We could suck. We could be mediocre. Nothing would surprise me.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
i'd hate to be an LSU fan right now...
i mean…for many…many reasons…but the walking heart attack that is your team right now has to be just too much for one to bare..
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Just makes the anticipation greater....
… I mean, ANYTHING can happen. It’s pretty exciting. Besides, if it goes poorly, I have a pretty healthy drinking habit to fall back on.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
i think if LSU's season
starts out rough, it will get rougher throughout the rest of the season. but if it starts strong, they will get stronger and stronger as the season goes on. but will the razor edge Miles is on, once the wheels fall off they ain’t going back on.
That white stuff on the top of chickencrap...... is chickencrap.
i'm hoping for an early season collapse
but not for the reason you think. i want to get to this game and if that happens tickets will be easier to find (and cheaper).
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Also, you have yet to provide anything but “talent” as a reason for us supposedly going undefeated and repeating.
You also haven’t addressed the fact that the more “talented” team does not always win.
Nor have you addressed the issue that nearly every season the defending champ is in the same situation we are, and yet no team in the BCS era has repeated.
In short: you’re ignoring all available evidence and statistics in order to come to your conclusions based on some notion of “talent” which you haven’t yet elaborated.
I'm wrong all the time.
exactly..
hell we could go 0’fer…probably not but it is a possibility..Everything about an upcoming seasons is nothing more than a guess.
That said, looking at our talent and what we’ve done over the last two seasons should lead a person to belive we’ll probably lose no more than 1-2 games..Going undefeated in the SEC regular season for an unprecedented 3rd year in a row is highly unlikely..it could happen but the odds just aren’t on our side.
I for one believe we can repeat but won’t expect it.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
"0'fer"...
…is a possibility, but it’s also a possibility that Vanderbilt will go 14-0 this year. Don’t forget that.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said we would go undefeated and repeat.
I said we will not lose 4 games. Also Pete, as your signature suggests you are wrong. In sports the more talented team generally wins. That is why Saban goes after the best talent in the country. Ask Butch Davis. I know there are exceptions to this rule. I know someone will throw out the ULM game. But generally in sports talent overcomes more than it doesn’t.
As for your list of teams: take out Duke, Mississippi, Tennessee and Mississippi State. I don’t think anyone with any football sense thinks Alabama will lose these games. I guess in your mind the rest are toss ups. I don’t but you don’t want to hear that.
I see what the problem is now. You’re using horrifically imprecise language, either out of carelessness, or because you realize you’ve put yourself in an indefensible position. Let me spell this out for you:
I never said the more talented team doesn’t win more often. I said that they don’t always win, as you are suggesting is the case. Talent is one factor to the equation. Just ask Les Miles.
I don’t think anyone with any football sense thinks Alabama will lose these games.
Nobody has said they thought they would, I said they were possible losses. And they are, whether you want to hear it or not.
You’re conflating “could” and “will”, nobody — not a single person in this thread — has said that alabama WILL lose four games. Yes, if you look at each game, our odds are better than 50/50. The problem is that the odds of winning 12 games in a row is not.
It’s basic statistics. Assume the games are all independent events. They’re not, but let’s pretend. Let’s pretend that we have a 95% chance to win each game, the odds of us winning 12 in a row, in that case, is still only 54%. If there are games, like Florida, where the odds are far lower than 95%, it gets even worse. If we try to be more realistic, let’s do this:
99%: SJSU, GSU
90%: Duke, MSU, Tennesse
75%: Ole Miss, Mississippi, Auburn, Arkansas, South Carolina
60%: Florida, Penn State, LSU
If those numbers are accurate (I’m not arguing that they are, just giving a for instance), our odds of winning 12 games in a row is 3.6%. The point? Even if the team is very likely to win each game individually, winning 12 in a row is still a coinflip in the most unrealistically optimistic scenarios.
I'm wrong all the time.
Alabama has won 12 in a row the past 2 years.
I know the odds are against us doing it again. I never said we would go undefeated. Where in this post did I say that once?
Your mention of Les Miles proves my point. You have to have talent, but you also have to have coaching to go with it. Talent + Coaching = Dynasty’s. Look at the great coaches with great talent: Meyer at Florida, Coach K at Duke, Carroll at USC, all these are great programs.
Saban is that at Alabama. He is the right fit at the right time. I think we are going on a run for the next few years where we will be competing for SEC and National Championships. Better get use to it.
Give me a break. You’re about two years late to the party, Captain Sunshine-Pumper, and all you’re really doing is changing your argument. I’d love to go back through your posts and point out the factually and logically incorrect claims you’ve made, but it seems like you’ll just ignore them and make something else up.
So, now that you’ve had a chance to reconsider the patently ridiculous suggestion that we couldn’t lose four games, do you have a different argument you’d like to make?
We could lose four games this year. We could lose more than that. That’s going to be the case from now until the end of time because it’s college football. That’s why they play the games.
Better get used to it.
I'm wrong all the time.
You seem to want to personally attack me for some reason.
No worries. I am a big boy and can take it. Feel free to read my posts all you want. You are an ass clown!! Seems to me you want to be the most important voice on a meaningless blog. Have at it. I can support everything I have written. So really there is no arguement. Your mad because your claim that it is unlikely to win 12 games was proven false the past two years by the team you supposedly follow. Have a sense of history when you post something or maybe you should just think before you write stupid things.
I don’t think we will lose 4 games. Someone that argues we will is intitled to their opinion. I will take the past 2 years, our talent, our program, our fan base, and our coaching staff and argue we won’t. Why is that so hard to get through to your midiscule little brain? You argue just for the sake to hear your own pathetic voice.
I am not joining this debate, but skegler I think you may be missing the purpose of this blog. Also, the admins of this blog that you labeled “meaningless” prepare well written and informative articles as do the vast majority of the usual posters. Perhaps you would be more in your element with the al.com blog. I am not trying to be rude, but I am just giving a sincere suggestion. Apologies in advance if you take this the wrong way.
I wouldn't piss off the boys from Alabama . . . DBT
He made it personal not me.
I have been respectful of everyone on here. This guy just continues to argue every single thing I put on here. Maybe I should not respond anymore. But it will not be because of him. Thanks for your suggestion and no I don’t find it rude.
i think i told you after your first comment a while
back that you’ve been “pete holiday’d”…well sir..its happened again.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
It's no big deal, he does it to everybody.
This guy just continues to argue every single thing I put on here.
Skeg, when Pete gets on ya like that the best thing to do is just let ’im finish.
It doesnt change the fact that...
Pete still acts like an ass hat. Get a life, Pete. To each his own.
It's the...
…love and kindness Alabama fans have for each other that keeps bringing me back to this site. Thanks, fellas.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 9, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
One of the things I hate most about some other blogs is how any fan can say any stupid thing and it’s supported, either explicitly or tacitly, because the author is a fan. Makes the whole commentariat look stupid.
This is a pretty big blog, and (especially now) there are tons of Alabama fans. A lot of them hang out at places with far lower expectations (like al.com, etc…) and a natural consequence of the quality of the product here is that we’re going to attract some of the “best” and “brightest” from these other sites.
I’d rather be hard on our own commenters than make it seem like you can get away with saying any stupid thing just because you’re a fan.
Just my take, but if we’re going to bust balls when rival fans come over and start spouting stupidity, we can’t allow our own fans to do it, either, otherwise we just look like fools at best or hypocrites at worst.
We seem to have had an influx of new commenters lately, and most of them have been fine to great, but there are a few that haven’t, and my preference is that it’s made clear that they either need to remove their head from their hindquarters, or go back to whatever message board they crawled out from under.
I'm wrong all the time.
I understand...
…your point, and I don’t intend to let offensively ignorant comments go unchecked. However, you often seem to prefer to wield your logic like a mace, with no regard or concern for the human being on the other side of such comments. Obviously, the way you respond is your own choice. My point is that there’s more than one way to skin a cat.
I love that you value education, reason, and specificity. So do I. It may mean little to you (and/or the site authors of RBR), but it does disappoint at least one regular reader here when those values lead you to assault someone (figuratively speaking, of course). To paraphrase a common saying, with great powers come great responsibilities, and one of my beliefs is that we all have a responsibility not only for truth, but for kindness as well.
That may sound hypocritical to you, and maybe it is. I’m not perfect. Maybe it sounds weak to you, too. If so, that’s where I’ll have to disagree. I’m paraphrasing again, but a fella named Gandhi once said that true strength is shown when your opposition sees your power, knows the injury you can bring to him, then sees you choose not to do damage to him. I may be a smarta$$ (right, bammer?), but I generally fall into this camp.
I really am glad you’re here at RBR, Pete. At first, I’ll admit, I wasn’t. But you have a lot to contribute, and you often enhance what RBR brings to the readership. Your articles/posts related to NCAA bylaws and decisions have been edifying, as have other things you’ve written.
I’m sorry if anything I’ve said here sounds too presumptuous, truly.
Thanks for listening.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 11, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
The heat is not the problem....
It’s enjoying alot of good blogs from various teams fans and reading various views from reasonable fans. Then all of a sudden we suffer through your antagonizing drivle. Other than that, the site is great. Try respecting everyones input instead of trying to make everyone out to be wrong (according to you).
I don’t think we will lose 4 games. Someone that argues we will is intitled to their opinion.
We are still at this impasse… no one here is saying that we will lose 4 games.. we have just been trying to convince you that we could lose 4 games. It’s not about being pessimistic, it’s just about making sure our fellow fans aren’t sticking their head in the sand and pretending like every team we field is the best of all time.
Just trying to look at things objectively (all the while hoping for the best). I, for one, would be thrilled to see us win every game next year by 30 points, even if it makes me look like an idiot for saying we could lose 4 games.
Also, LOL at the “you supposedly follow” comment to Pete.
The Process of Champions
Sure we could,
but it is unlikely in my opinion. I think this team would not allow it to happen. Our coach would not allow it to happen. I see too much pride and leadership in Ingram, McElroy and Hightower. This is there last year. Julio’s, Dareus, probably Barron. They are all probably gone next year. I don’t see it happening. I hope I am not wrong. If we lose 4 it will be a shock.
I’m just shaking my head now.
Good luck to you sir. You will need it.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 7, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
So what do you see happening
this year? 8-4, 9-3? Explain. Why are you shaking your head unless it is in agreement? What did I state that is not correct?
my head shaking was to you in general...
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 7, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Great trolling by you on all counts. A hat tip to you.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 7, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Shaking your head in agreement?
/Nods in disbelief
Some people say "If you can't beat them, join them". I say "If you can't beat them, beat them", because they will be expecting you to join them, so you will have the element of surprise.
by BamaHadMeAtHello on Jul 7, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You are an ass clown!!
I think clowns are funny, and I’m kind of an ass-man — so this “ass clown” appears to be a combination of two things I like. Must be a compliment. Thanks!
I can support everything I have written. So really there is no arguement [sic].
Oh good. I was hoping you’d say that. One nagging question, though: when do you plan to start?
Your [sic] mad because your claim that it is unlikely to win 12 games was proven false the past two years by the team you supposedly follow.
This might come as a shock to you, but there are a number of teams who went undefeated one year and then did not go undefeated the following year. It might also come as a shock to you that things that are unlikely still happen, but that them happening does not mean that they were likely to happen to begin with. It seems like your whole argument is built on some sort of weird hindsight/confirmation bias hybrid.
Have a sense of history when you post something or maybe you should just think before you write stupid things.
I’m not sure what a “sense of history” is or what it’s supposed to do aside from, apparently, convince me that your logically invalid arguments are not ridiculous, but I’d recommend you follow your own advice.
I don’t think we will lose 4 games. Someone that argues we will is intitled [sic] to their opinion. I will take the past 2 years, our talent, our program, our fan base, and our coaching staff and argue we won’t. Why is that so hard to get through to your midiscule [sic] little brain?
You’re arguing against nobody. Nobody has claimed that we will lose four games. Unfortunately, you refuse to understand the difference between “could” and “will”. Before you start talking about brain sizes you should take a moment to consult Merriam-Webster both for the definition of those two words as well as the atrocious spelling in the rest of your post.
You argue just for the sake to hear your own pathetic voice.
Actually, at present, I’m arguing “just for the sake to” try to inject a little perspective into your diatribes.
I'm wrong all the time.
all i can do is say lol to this..
Oh good. I was hoping you’d say that. One nagging question, though: when do you plan to start?
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Have a sense of history when you post something or maybe you should just think before you write stupid things.
Not to jump into the middle of this, but the statement above made me chuckle a bit considering Pete wrote the story in last year’s preview mag regarding defending Alabama’s national championships (which was good btw).
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
If we try to be more realistic, let’s do this:
99%: SJSU, GSU
90%: Duke, MSU, Tennesse
75%: Ole Miss, Mississippi, Auburn, Arkansas, South Carolina
60%: Florida, Penn State, LSU
If those numbers are accurate (I’m not arguing that they are, just giving a for instance), our odds of winning 12 games in a row is 3.6%.
I like that (the analysis, not the result that we only have >5% chance of going 12-0). I may steal it. And not give you any credit. :)
see..thats getting PeteHoliday'd...
When you think you’re using facts…and you think your shit is together…he brings out actual facts and substance…one must tread lightly when arguing on RBR…Bring it or you def will lose it.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Not that I disagree with PeteHoliday
but how exactly are numbers that he admits may not be accurate and are just “a for instance” him “bring[ing] out actual facts and substance”?
Well, it’s as close to a fact that you’ll find that we don’t have a 95% chance to win each game, and if you concede that the numbers I guessed at are reasonable, the stats and math are facts.
The numbers themselves aren’t based on anything factual, but the way they combine is.
I'm wrong all the time.
To be honest Pete
I would say your percentages are generous towards Bama. I would not consider MSu or UT a 90% win. That is way to high. I’d say those games are 80% chance win. And Arky is not 75% win, I’d say ot os more like 60% win.
But the bottom line is the strict odds of us going undefeated are about a 3 % chance.
And when you think about it there are 120 teams in D-1, and last year 2 made it through. So about 2% of teams or less will be undefeated. Bama being a superior team gives us a jump of about 50% over the regular odds- thus about a 3% chance, if you follow my reasoning.
It is just very very hard to go undefeated even in the regular season. Those years we do are no indication it will happen again anytime soon. I think of all these great UF teams. How many went undefeated- 0
As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.
its the closest thing to "facts"
we have for a freakin season that hasn’t been played yet…the facts at the moment are this…
Bama (and every other freakin team btw) are sitting at a record of 0-0…anything can happen at this point..
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Here's the sentence from the article that has spurred this discussion
Even with some bad luck the bottom end for Alabama in 2010 is likely around 8-4 — not bad for those of us who still vividly remember things like this — and the smart money is clearly on Alabama getting north of ten wins for the third year in a row, finishing in the top ten, notching more wins over Tennessee and Auburn, and likely having a better chance of winning the SEC than any other conference member.
The part that has made you so mad is in bold. That little blip hardly seems worth the aggression that you have for it.
It certainly doesn’t warrant this response:
To say that this team has the potential to lose 4 games and not explain to who or how these losses will occur reduces credibility for me to the author.
And if you were referring to were I said it was definitely possible for us to lose 4 games this year, just look at Pete’s post below and pick any of those 4 teams and we’ll say the reason for the loss is “bad luck”.
The Process of Champions
So, you agree with OTS?
OTS’s statement: “Even with some bad luck the bottom end for Alabama in 2010 is likely around 8-4”.
Your response: The only way we go 8-4 is if we have some bad injury luck.
Easily the best analysis
I have read by someone who probably has Crimson colored lenses. As an 06 graduate of UA I went through the darkest of times and I am always cautiously optimistic in regards to our chances for a big season. So many stars have to align for us to run the table, imagine if TC’s fingers were 1/4" shorter. Imagine if Julio were DJ hall and didn’t like to run screen routes. Taking that and applying it to all the possibilities of what would need to happen for us to win out or what could happen for us to drop 4 games is what makes the SEC what it is. But really, I dont see us not winning at least 11. We just have too many people who will step up and make it happen.
say we did lose to ut last year
one loss and still national champs
"get your ass ready for a streetfight... and i like a streetfight."
by make his ass quit! on Jul 8, 2010 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's hope for the best! :)
"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy
(Formerly SugarBowl93)
by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jul 7, 2010 10:01 AM CDT reply actions
Saturday, October 9 @ South Carolina
gives me bad vibes. I’m thinking we’ll come out on fire but that’s the game in which our luck might turn. If that lush of a quarterback can put a nice game together (and stay eligible) and their defense can get a few turnovers, we might go down fast. Real fast. Faster than Superhead at an N.W.A. reunion concert, faster than the Kardashian sisters in an NBA locker room. It’ll suck, but like the MAN said, it’s going to happen. There’s no Florida to sneak up on in 2010. We’re that team this year. Everybody knows it.
But let’s not forget…we’re the team to beat. Never bet against a champion. 6-2 would/will get us to Atlanta. Heck, maybe even 5-3 because you know Auburn, Arkansas, and LSU will each screw up whatever winning streaks they get going.
Julio, Mark, Trent, McElroy, Barron, Hightower, and Dareus are too competitive to let us fall too far off the mark. We probably won’t repeat, but we’ll be in the thick of things. Bet your bottom dollar on that.
It’s going to be fun to watch.
www.totteringworld.com
there you are m'fer
everything ok…we were talking about how we haven’t seen/ heard from you in a while.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Oh, yeah
I’m good. Other than Bama football I don’t really watch/follow sports so I disappear from the scene during this time of year. You know, I get busy making my own contributions to society, listening to Ke$ha, smoking Newports, et cetera.
www.totteringworld.com
you missed a
doozy with the USC blog…we could have used your insight on the the West coast douchebaggery
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
+1
fpr Ke$ha
That shit is catchy.
"The North isn't a place. It's just a direction out of the South."
--Roy Blount, Jr.
by animalcracker on Jul 8, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Am I trendy yet?
"The North isn't a place. It's just a direction out of the South."
--Roy Blount, Jr.
by animalcracker on Jul 8, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Eerily similar to 2007 Florida.
2006. Talented Florida team gets it done on defense, but lose a great many starters on that side of the ball. In comes the freshmen and sophomores: Clearly talent all over the board, but on defense especially, they were raw, inexperienced and took their lumps. That team, with a Heisman winner and transcendent quarterback, lost 5 games.
Now, think to our secondary in 2007, which had the same growing pains, as Florida in 2007. Fast forward to 2009; Heisman trophy running back, and nasty, dominant defense. So many of those guys are gone, and if the youngsters stumble or take their lumps early, we are starting at the same results Florida had: great offense, positioned for 2011 dominance, but 2010 has the potential to be a tough year.
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 7, 2010 10:30 AM CDT reply actions
I think we're very similar to 2005 USC
They won it all in 2004 and returned a studly offense in 2005, but they had holes defensively. They went against Texas with one of the weaker defenses to ever play in a BCS championship game.
Our offense will not as deadly as their 2005 offense was, but we’ll be fairly close and our defense should be better.
www.totteringworld.com
great analogy.
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 7, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Good comparison there.
History doesn’t repeat, but it does rhyme, Mr. Twain said.
The defense will need to grow up quickly and jell. The offense will need to adapt, too — last year’s over. Expect to face an awful lot of the defensive strategy AU used, until we solve it.
After seeing the A Day game, it looks to me like we could resemble that ‘94 Penn St. team which had a dominant offense (run and pass balance) and (by PSU standards) just-sturdy defense. Then again, they weren’t coming off an NC season; as I recall, that team was a bit of a surprise to most.
And, we play in the SEC. Let’s kick it off already!
Excellent "Hypothetical" Analysis
I enjoyed this article very much OTS, as well as some of the controversy it stirred. I am so fired up for this season, not because I think we can go 14-0 [that’s what one roots for], but for the moments like those closing seconds against Tennessee, the jitters of the first game [even SJS], the renewal of rivalries like the Penn State game [“I would pass”], that we know are coming. The andrenaline from watching the Process unfold through the minds and muscles of the players is what I can start to feel building. Repeat? Maybe not. But I only care in the sense that that is what I hope the team can do, to perform well, but the charge that comes from watching them play is still what it is all about.
You can't win. You can't break even. You can't get out of the game.
Very good analysis.
Nothing OTS said was not factual. Bama can repeat, sure. But it is a long shot regardless of what the preseason polls say.
I think some fans will be disappointed if we don’t repeat. I’m going to be disappointed if we don’t play hard every game. I think that is the best way to judge a team that really has no where to go but down. Personally, I don’t think UF played as hard last year as in 08. I hope we do.
As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.
Your
last statement alludes to something nobody mentioned. Motivation. Nobody on this roster has ever won a national championship before last year. Will the motivation be the same? Especially for the seniors? Nobody doubts that we have a great coaching staff that is more than prepared for a potential let down, but they aren’t miracle workers.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
Very good point.
I can think of 1 player who probably won’t have any motivational problems. He wears #30.
Yeah, but as a team
it is going to be tough to be totally motivated every game.
As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.
I agree.
That’s why I’m thinking/hoping that Hightower will play with a chip on his shoulder this season. If he develops some emotional leadership it may help motivate the guys around him.
Agreed.....
- has plenty of “unfinished business.” And that will help a great deal on defense. But I will be surprised if motivation is our biggest obstacle. I think it’s tough to be 100% motivated at anything you do day in and day out. And our opponents will be extremely motivated. But I disagree with someone else who said that the only place this tieam has to go is down. That’s just not true. If it was, we would be hard pressed to explain consistency and excellence in a lot of endeavors. The greater likelihood is that the team won’t repeat. That such are the odds is what motivates the great ones.
You can't win. You can't break even. You can't get out of the game.
by StablerRaider on Jul 7, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice!
Love the reasoned approach in this post and comments (generally). One of the reasons I like coming round here.
Since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has a record of 103-2 in games where they score 30 points or more. Of course, which college football team doesn't have a similar record.
I liked this part the best:
“And, beyond 2010, Alabama moves forward with a mixture of coaching, depth, recruiting prowess, facilities, and administrative support that would make almost any other program in the country turn green with envy.”
Nice post.
by Queen of the Universe on Jul 7, 2010 12:42 PM CDT reply actions
This is very true, and scares me greatly
“the offense will have to play at a much higher level and do so on a more consistent basis than it did in 2009”
by Alabama ManDance on Jul 7, 2010 12:49 PM CDT reply actions
Let's say we do lose 4 games
That would make us 34-6 the last 3 years. That’s pretty good, aight.
by MaxRollTide on Jul 7, 2010 12:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The four games...
Keep in mind that I wrote that with a very large express qualifier. It’s a possible outcome — don’t kid yourselves, we have a very tough schedule — but it would probably require quite a few things outside of our control to turn up snake eyes for the Tide, namely thinks like a bad run of injuries, opponents being better than expected, fumble luck, etc.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Jul 7, 2010 12:58 PM CDT reply actions
the only think i would add to your assessment...
is the fact alabama is now the marked team in the conference. last year we targeted florida for the SECCG and the way we played the game showed how much that focus mattered (and, very likely, our lack of intensity against auburn the week prior). this year we are everybody’s target opponent. we have to expect every team on the slate has marked the date and circled it and had their S&C coach screaming it in their face every afternoon in the weightroom. saban preaches “become a nightmare for your opponent” and we’ve certainly become that. but, conversely, everyone now comes into a game against us ready to fight a no-holds-barred battle with the beast. the margin of error, already frighteningly narrow, has gotten even thinner.
Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.
To me, OTS's post was uncontroversial...
All he really said was, “We’ll go between 8-4 and 14-0, but probably not 8-4 or 14-0.”
However, I do not see the reason for many who have commented to disagree with skegler so insultingly about what seems to me to be a simple misunderstanding (or at worst a very mild disagreement). I think skegler was really objecting to OTS’s usual contrarian tone. I’ve disagreed with OTS many times before as well, over the “we’ll have to play perfect (but then again, it’s impossible) against Florida and even then we might lose” post and the negative G-Mac posts. Disagreement happens. It’s natural. You might think skegler is illogical or wrong in some way (personally, I think he just misstated or at least backed away from his initial comment), but that does not mean he should be treated like some kind of outcast from The Tribe. We are not a herd, here, I hope.
To me, skegler and his anti-contrarian opinions are welcome at RBR, just as OTS’s often contrarian opinions are also welcome here. Not that my opinion matters much, anyway, but yeah…
by crimsontsunami on Jul 7, 2010 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Being militantly anti-logic is not something that I, personally, want to encourage.
I'm wrong all the time.
"anti-logical"
since you are the spelling police.
No hard feelings Pete. I just don’t agree with practically anything you say. Doesn’t make you a bad guy. Just wrong all the time. Roll Tide.
No, I meant what I said. You are, apparently, opposed to logic. “anti-logical” would more correctly be termed “counter-logical”. See, e.g., “counter-factual”.
I'm wrong all the time.
how bout extra-logical?
can i get credit for that one?
i think it should mean, i takes it and i leaves it, (logic) when and where it best suites my argument.
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
I actually understand why you're getting involved...
It makes sense that you would defend a fellow writer’s work from criticism, and I also think that you believe you’re right. Still, the personal attacks don’t seem necessary, and skegler has already backed away from his initial comment (which he may not have meant, anyway), so at this point it’s rubbing it in.
What I really object to is that everyone else who has gotten involved seems to be rubbing it in as well. (And there’s not even much to rub in, but they just keep on rubbing). It reminds me of a group of Heathers. Which is weird because, based on what I’ve read, Skegler’s opinion is not far off from anyone else’s. I think he’s just been misunderstood here, and I think initially he may have misunderstood you. Maybe I’m wrong on both counts, but it’s possible that this is all over nothing.
by crimsontsunami on Jul 7, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is the internet
there’s no such thing as “put it to rest”… crimsontsunami has just made my hit-list as well… gonna have to get my good keyboard for this one ;-P
At the end of the day, we are all lunatics for debating football like this in the middle of the summer.
The fun part is that when the football leaves the tee we will all yell our lungs out for the same thing.
The Process of Champions
by atcrawford on Jul 7, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
Rec’d for everything except the hit-list part.
by crimsontsunami on Jul 7, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
i think thats code for
“i’ll be creating a customized Zwinky Character for you.”
which is thoughtful, i guess….
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
im gonna give you some advice...
and this comes from someone who has had similar “debates” with Pete…you’re not gonna win. Im not sayin you’re wrong…im not saying he’s right…but in the end…you’ll be wrong..ini some way..some how. You have your right to your opinion and lord knows ive stood toe to toe with Pete many times…im just trying to help ya out.
Many of us have gone round and round and round and round…if you keep talking..the “debate” will continue. Its best to just stop now and take what dignity you have.
Your chioce…
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Dude, I thought we were cool now.
Why are you trying to kill my afternoon entertainment?
Jerk.
I'm wrong all the time.
sorry bud...
it was like sheep to the slaughter…i just couldn’t stand by any longer and watch him go to his death..he seems like a nice guy but this conversation could be the death of him….
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
never mind...
continue your onslaught sir…he deserves everything you give him after saying dumb ass shit like this..
I personally find it funny you making this about you. Attention whore.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Just because...
…some others here like to act like jerks doesn’t mean you have to reciprocate. You were doing much better before you began to lower yourself to such comments.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been guilty of similar responses…but it’s not fruitful.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d prefer you let me tell you what my motives are, rather than you guessing and doing so incorrectly.
The other writers will be the first ones to tell you that I am happy to disagree with them in their posts. There’s no “thin crimson line” here. Defending OTS isn’t my job, really. He’s a grown ass man and is more capable of defending himself than I am of defending him. Further, I really don’t think anyone cares whether or not skegler thinks OTS is credible or right. On the other hand, OTS is one of the most even, reliable, and credible writers on all of SB Nation, and so if skegler finds his writing to lack credibility, that says far more about him than it does OTS.
I “got involved” because this particular commenter displayed a stunning disregard for both facts and logic, when presented with them, decided he wanted a pissing contest. Internet pissing contests are a form of R&R for me.
More to the point, however, were Sir Edmund Burke here, he would almost certainly say that the only thing necessary for the triumph of AL.com commenters is for good commenters to do nothing.
I'm wrong all the time.
Wow, there are a lot of ass men here. ;-)
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 7, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You keep showing your ass - "ass-man"
My original post speaks for itself. I don’t think we will be 8-4 this year. As for OTS, I have no problem with his work, other than, it is a bit “negative” for my taste. He must be doing something right, since I keep coming back to comment on his articles. Maybe that is why I have more to say in his articles.
I personally find it funny you making this about you. Attention whore.
Not what you'd call a "thinker", eh?
Skeg, you’re right. We (probably) will not go 8-4 this year. Can we stop now?
Some people say "If you can't beat them, join them". I say "If you can't beat them, beat them", because they will be expecting you to join them, so you will have the element of surprise.
by BamaHadMeAtHello on Jul 7, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Then the debate is officially over.
You are a troll.
Some people say "If you can't beat them, join them". I say "If you can't beat them, beat them", because they will be expecting you to join them, so you will have the element of surprise.
by BamaHadMeAtHello on Jul 7, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
right...
cause looking like a complete tool bag is something everyone wants to keep going…
seriously..if you stop..we can all be friends…if you don’t….well i can’t help you sir
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
In all seriousness, I’m not sure how long you’ve been reading the site, skegler, but I’ll say this:
The consensus around here seems to be that I can be a bit of a pedant and a huge pain in the ass, and I’m not going to disagree with either of them. Why people put up with it, I’m not entirely sure, but the fact remains: I get into back-and-forths a lot here, and it is extremely rare (to the point that I can’t think of any examples) that other commenters jump in on my side of it once it’s gone on this long.
Usually my sparring partners get a good deal of sympathy for having to deal with me.
I’m not going to speculate as to why that is, or why this situation is different, but it’s worth thinking about that.
I'm wrong all the time.
lulz..
so freakin true. I don’t think this has ever happen.. Write this shit down…cause it may never happen again.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Actually I have read several posts that have supported me. Not sure what
you are referring to.
whats a pedant?
jesus fucking christ donny!!!!
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
i can back all of that post up
I have been on the other side of Pete’s arguments before. But I have also been defended by Pete when tangled in debate with another poster. His motives are always to keep logic alive, even if he can be a little harsh sometimes.
And, Pete, I gotta ask man….What is the deal with all the cat pics? It cracks me up to see you laying waste to a poster, then put up one of those cutsie kitty pics.
That white stuff on the top of chickencrap...... is chickencrap.
"a little harsh"...
…now that’s funny….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
dude
I’m trying to keep my own head from being lopped off here.
That white stuff on the top of chickencrap...... is chickencrap.
Really?
…now that’s sad….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Rec
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that he should be able to express his opinion without being attacked,
BUT the tone of his original post sounded a little too close to “you’re a freaking idiot for thinking that, OTS” for me, given that OTS qualified his original statement by saying it’s highly unlikely.
he's
entitled to his opinion. No one here is saying he’s not…But what he shouldn’t do is argue over trivial things such as what Alabama’s record might be or act like we are a bunch negative nancy’s…
OTS’s post is well thought out and sheds a little light to the upcoming seasons. THATS IT! There is no prediction..just what might be or better yet..what could be.
Skegler would rather us look at the past and try to determine what might happen in the future…Obviously, no one can know what the hell will happen in the ’10 season…so its best to leave the shit alone..
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Skegler would rather us look at the past and try to determine what might happen in the future…
To be fair, I’m starting to come around to his way of thinking on this.
Historically, Alabama has a .707 winning percentage which, over 12 games, comes out to approximately 8-4.
I'm wrong all the time.
Ouch.
I feel for tha fella (skegler)…even when you use his evidence, he still loses the debate.
Pete, maybe if you’d try looking to the future, or maybe to an alternate universe, you might see that we are NOT going to go 8-4 next year!!! (But forget about history, the facts don’t add up there…)
BTW, I don’t think anyone has mentioned the 2000 version of the Tide yet, but it’s an apt comparison. #1 ranking going into the season, SEC champs, and they won only 3 games the next season. I hope it doesn’t happen, and it most likely won’t, but it most certainly COULD.
"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy
(Formerly SugarBowl93)
by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jul 7, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, god
You had to remind of 2000, didn’t you?
I spent 10 years trying to forget it.
I'm wrong all the time.
This math does not work because we haven't always played
12 game seasons. But nice try.
dear god...
just multiply the historic winning percentage (.707) times X number of games, and you’ll have an historically-based predictor of an average season…and, the funny thing here, guy, is that it works…NO MATTER HOW MANY GAMES WE PLAY. e.g.,
12 * .707 = 8-4 (rounded up for a regular season)
Ten game season? 10 * .707 = 7-3
Fourteen games? 14 * .707 = 10-4
Eleven? 8-3
Get it?
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 7, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
THANK YOU KAPPLAN LSAT PREP!
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
aren't you a philosophy major?
If so you’ll be fine; all I did was buy a pulp magazine with logic puzzles and take one practice LSAT.
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 8, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Herd? Tribe?
I thought this was a wolfpack?
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
"This is not the end. This is the beginning." - The Great and Powerful Saban
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jul 7, 2010 3:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
rec'd...
…for truth and decency….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Im just glad
There are Bama fans like me that are optimistic about our upcoming season, but in return aren’t complete and total dumbasses when it comes to the FACT we can lose, its inevitable, one day we shall lose again unless by some miracle of God we never lose which would be pretty sweet but I can only dream about that. I see so many fans of other teams say we’re arrogant, pompous, pricks, with the inability to face reality, in which I say in the most polite way possible “Fuck You” to them. Now I know some Bama fans are(my cousin Alex) damn he thinks Saban is the second coming of Jesus, seriously. I’m glad to finally have a place where I can go to read non-biased posts about my CRIMSON TIDE, I commend all the authors, posters, fellow bama fans for being great examples of how a true fan should be.
Bama's so good, we'll make your quarterback cry.
by crimsongiant on Jul 7, 2010 2:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Only with 10 times the fail.
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 7, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
It has been a
fun read. I’m not going to even try and declare a winner but my advice to Skegler- see bammers advice.
As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.
no you're not..
you’re bored..
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
How DARE you insinuate that someone's bored.
Let me be the first to tell you that around these parts, as grown as men, we are perfectly capable of declaring our own boredom. Let Tsunami speak for himself. Or, are you skeered? HUH!?
TROLL!
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 7, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
How DARE you tell bammer to let me speak for myself...
You think I couldn’t tell him how pissed I was at his insinuation? Totally uncool, man. I’ll never forgive you OR bammer for this. Angry face emoticon
by crimsontsunami on Jul 7, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Dear Lord...is it September yet?
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 7, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
How DARE you not appreciate this lovely July weather!
SEPTEMBER WILL COME WHEN IT’S DAMN GOOD AND READY!
by crimsontsunami on Jul 7, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll be surprised if we win any games...
due to our JC transfer CB being hurt for the season. (This should distract Pete long enough for you to get away)
I understand hate. I'm a Alabama fan.
Well played, sir....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow what a time to get into a post late
I do believe it took me 30 minutes to read all of the posts. I will use no logic with respect to our upcoming season, only Karma. We won a national championship my freshman year, my daughter just finished her freshman year at The University with a NC, we won our last back to back NC in my sophomore year at UA therefore … karma will prevail.
don't forget prayer, then...
lots and lots of prayer.
Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.
How do we know they’re not the same person? Has anyone seem them together before?
I'm wrong all the time.
Bieber's that tall?
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Jul 8, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Admittedly, a team like Boise or Utah could spike the proverbial punch bowl, but even taking them into consideration 2010 seems ripe for a team with one loss (or perhaps two?) to find its way into the BCS Championship Game, and if Alabama can somehow emerge from the SEC fight as the conference champion — even if the Tide does so scathed and somewhat beaten at 12-1 or perhaps even 11-2 — then Alabama may very well be able to finagle that into a trip to Glendale.
This is why I’m practicing my Hokie Hokie Hokie Hi cheers every night and praying that Va Tech does it’s best imitation of Georgia ‘05 vs BSU. I think most likely we’ll lose a game or two, but we should still have a decent shot at making the BCS CG…. if Tech beats Boise.
Has everybody lost their minds
Bama could lose 1 maybe 2 if hell freezes over 3. This is a program is a fine tuned machine. True everyone is gunning for us, but that has a two edged sword. Of all the teams who has won the BCS, Bama has the best chance to repeat. We could lose one and win the SEC and win the BCS again.
by Thomas W. Guyton on Jul 8, 2010 4:50 PM CDT reply actions
Really....
the ’09 UF squad had by far the best chance…They returned all 11 starters on defense PLUS all 11 back ups…On offense, they had to replace Harvin and Murphy but they still returned like 8 starters…
In contrast, the ’10 Bama squad will need to replace like 7 defensive starters and 3-4 on offense…Hell the ’05 SC squad damn near returned EVERYONE on both sides of the ball…
Lets remove the crimson colored glasses and return to reality…
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
yeah, but they had US to face in the SECCG
if we had to play us, i’d be scared. in fact, us did beat we in April. last pass of the game.
i wish i wasn’t too busy with work to have been all up in this here thread… 90% homerism tempered by 10% realism, thats the magic formula!
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH.......
this is like watching one of my family reunions. I blame Conquest Chronicles. If they would let us on their site to fight with the SC fans who seem to have decided we are SEC fanatics because of the “War of Northern Aggression” we probably wouldn’t be fighting amongst ourselves.
Auburn-Where almost happens.
Just heard a great song about family reunions:
“I don’t like half the folks I love” by Paul Thorn. Great song.
paul thorn is the shiz
great live show
The beauty of The Process is that you have never arrived, so you get to continue being perpetually awesome... -Espyonage
Dude..
this is what makes the off season enjoyable…if it wasn’t for pointless debates that lead to no conclusive end…we’d all be near suicide by now.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Yeah,
it’s either kill ourselves or kill each other! At least with the latter we’ve got a fighting chance…
"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy
(Formerly SugarBowl93)
by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jul 9, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
oh and just be glad
our offseason is about how many games Bama might lose and our chances to win a 2nd BCS championship and not about NCAA sanctions and 10 of our star players beating the living shit out of an off duty cop….its all about perspective.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
by bammer on Jul 9, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs

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