Watch the Miami Media
by DennyChimes on Jul 9, 2010 12:19 PM CDT
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Watch the Miami media. Watch them make fun of Cleveland people for being upset about LeBron leaving for a better opportunity. Watch them defend LeBron for leaving for more money. Watch them do that, and hold a mirror right up to their face and let themselves for the hypocrites they are. Because we know, we all know, what they said when Saban left Miami. We also remember their idiotic statements a month or so ago when the apology article came out. The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven.
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Tell it like it is, brother....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 9, 2010 3:11 PM CDT reply actions
It shall be rec'd
'Bama fan since birth, NIners & Hawks fan since '86, Braves fan since '90
Championships: 'Bama - check. Braves - work in progress. Niners - playoff berth is hoped for. Hawks....maybe in my lifetime
Thank you.
I thought this same thing when Dan Le Batard (sp?) of all people came out as LeBron’s biggest defender. He ripped Saban harder than anyone.
Also, LeBron is taking less money in Miami than he would have made in Cleveland. Just like Saban took a pay cut to come here.
The knock on Saban is that he lied. Well, he did. I can’t really defend that, but it’s worth mentioning he painted himself into a corner and wound up saying what he did because he was trying his damndest to do right by the Dolphins for the rest of the season. He was trying to hold everything together and not do anything to hurt Miami during the stretch run of 2006.
Compare that to LeBron. He rubbed Cleveland’s face in it with that ESPN abomination for no good reason. Why? And his response to Clevenland’s reaction was even better. Something along the lines of “I’ve done a lot of great things there the past seven years.” In other words, you should be thanking me.
I could go on about LeBron, but that’s not the point of the original post, so I’ll wrap this up with a rec.
by Nick's Hat Band on Jul 11, 2010 8:18 AM CDT reply actions
I've got...
…no problem with what LeBron James did. The TV announcement circus was silly (from what I hear…I chose not to watch), but he was able to get a lot of $ raised for a good cause, so more power to him. He wants to win a title, and Miami seems to be a better opportunity to do so (the Byron Scott hire wouldn’t have had me dying to stay), so more power to him.
The Miami media who blasted CNS, though, can slurp on a turd shake.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 11, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
The biggest issue is that he didn't tell the Cavs prior to him announcing on TV
that was just a bad judgement on his part, that courtesy should have been extended to his current organization. I think had he done that the owner wouldn’t have gone all apeshit in the media.
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by BamaReturns07 on Jul 13, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
The knock on Saban is that he lied. Well, he did.
Other folks can laugh at me, but I refuse to say he lied. At the time he said that he wasn’t coming to Alabama, he legitimately was focusing on Miami, had not talked to anyone about the UA job, and did not plan to be our coach. He changed his mind later. That’s not a lie.
I won’t argue about it (for whomever on here wants to argue with me) because it’s all conjecture. But that’s my kool-aid guzzling view on it. :)
To
Play devils advocate or Pete Holiday for that matter :)
Did Lebron ever come out and say he’d never be a player for the Miami Heat?
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
I don't know that he did,
but he held his decision out there like Cleveland actually had a chance when he’d agreed months before with Wade and Bosh to go where they went, which ended up being Miami, and was never going to be Cleveland. It’s not the same thing exactly, but it is…
"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy
(Formerly SugarBowl93)
by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jul 12, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
but he never came out and
emphatically stated he would not be a member of the Miami Heat….big difference. Saban made his mistake and in a way, he’s paid for it but what Lebron did is totally different. He never said he would stay in cleveland…in fact, it was wildly known/ thought that he would sign with another team…The cleveland fans reaction was silly. He’s a freakin player..they acted like God himself rejected them.
Is Lebron a tool? Yes. Did he use the media to stroke is ever growing ego? Damn skippy. But did he lie to cleveland? Nope. Perhaps he should have come out earlier and announce his attentions to leave cleveland no matter what…but thats what makes him a tool, not a liar.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Perhaps he should have come out earlier and announce his attentions to leave cleveland no matter what…but thats what makes him a tool, not a liar.
That was my point, really. It wasn’t a lie, but I actually prefer what Saban did to what LeBron did. Saban said what he did either because he hadn’t made up his mind yet, or because he was tired of the media hounding him. It wasn’t the wisest thing to say, but it was never intended to be deceptive. LeBron on the other hand did what he did to draw attention to himself. Was it the same thing…not exactly, but it had the same effect.
Yes, the Cleveland fans’ reaction was totally silly, but if we’re going to compare what the two men did, the better of two evils is Saban IMO.
"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy
(Formerly SugarBowl93)
by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jul 13, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, the Cleveland fans’ reaction was totally silly, but if we’re going to compare what the two men did, the better of two evils is Saban IMO.
Its all about perspective my friend. The original post above was ment to say “Booya!!” to the miami media…I don’t really understand the point, since both situations are so vastly different. That said, we think Saban was right they thought he was wrong…We think Lebron is a complete tool bag, they now love him..its all about perspective.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Lebron, a guy born and raised in Ohio, said he didn’t want to go chasing championships and wanted to build a winner in Cleveland. He changed his mind and went to Miami.
Saban, a guy with zero ties to Miami, said he wasn’t going to coach Alabama. he changed his mind.
In one situation, the Miami media supports the guy who changed his mind, in the other, the media vilifies him.
That’s the point.
I'm wrong all the time.
...and...
…how can anyone blame either one of them for making the best choices for themselves and their families? I don’t remember people raking Kevin Garnett over the coals for heading to Boston…of course, there are only 14 Timberwolves fans, so maybe I just didn’t hear them….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 15, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m not sure “what’s good for their families” is some sort of cure all for every situation and it feels kinda like cheating to use it, but in the end, families or no, there’s nothing wrong with what either of these guys did.
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exactly..
I find the Miami press to be annoying but i can’t hold them being pissed against them. Im sure the Tuscaloosa press sill kills Franchonie every chance they get..
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Oh, god. Did you really just compare Saban to Franchione?
People were pissed at Fran for HOW he left. He was a coward.
I’m not sure how you can see the difference between Saban and Lebron, but you can’t see the difference between Saban and Fran.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 16, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
last time i checked..
Fran was saying he wasn’t leaving Bama and then left suddenly on a jet plane…Im pretty sure Saban did the same.
Im not comparing the men but the actions/ situation. I don’t know what was going through either of their brains when they made their “im not leaving” etc etc statements. But both said things they shouldnt have…
Now, I see similarities in the Lebron/ Saban ordeal but the difference are pretty big…Lebron NEVER said he was or wasn’t leaving Clevelend..Saban did say we wasn’t going to be the head coach at Alabama. And again, their motives were probably different but at least Lebron never made a definitive statement.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Selective memory, bammer
First: Fran cut out in the middle of the night, never came back. Called his players and told them he was quitting via conference call. He made statements after the season was over about not leaving. Then he left. Saban made statements during the season and then after the season changed his mind. That’s a huge difference. Even if you call the fact that they changed their minds the same, Saban left like a man. Fran left like a coward.
Next: Lebron has been quoted countless times saying he was going to stay in Cleveland and build a championship team rather than going championship chasing.
But, yeah, if you ignore the inconvenient facts, your stance seems a lot less crazy.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 16, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
im not even sure why we are arguing over this..but im game..its a friday and im bored.
Pete, Im not really sure how I have a selective memory. There are certain similarities to how each event played out but there are also some huge differences. Like i said, im not comparing the men (or their morals for that matter), but both made statements they shouldn’t have, plain and simple. Whether or not Saban just changed his mind or lied through his teeth is irrelevant, at least to the Miami media. We as Bama fans have a different view point considering he’s now our coach and he’s talked openly about how he left.. I wonder how we’d feel if he had gone to say..Auburn? Im sure we’d be calling him something worse than a snake oil salesman.
My problem with the Miami media is how they acted as if Saban had come diabolical plan and that he had always wanted the Bama job. We now know that isn’t true. THATS why i hate them or at least find them annoying. Cause they can’t see the difference or at least they don’t want to.
Now on your point on Lebron. Yes, he made statements during his time at Cleveland about wanting to stay and build a championship team. Maybe he felt that the organization didn’t have a good enough plan for the long haul..IDK…I wasn’t in the meetings..But he was very clear before and after the Free Agency period that he would look and see what was out there. So in many ways, he lived up to his word. I believe that Lebron is spoiled child. I have lost mucho respect for him but not because he left. It was how he made a circus of the whole ordeal.
I will agree that Fran and Lebron are the same. Both of them had an agenda from day one and played that out until the end. Saban on the other hand just didn’t handle the press very well. But us calling out the Miami media for backing Lebron isnt exactly fair. They only reacted (in Saban) to what they felt was someone lying to them. The Bama media/ fans reacted almost the same to Fran leaving, after lying to us. The difference is, we now believe that Saban never lied and we know Fran and Lebron had alternative motives.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Alright, let’s forget about Fran. You don’t get it. Probably never will, but no matter what you think about any of them, us calling out the Miami media for backing one guy who left a place for a better job and bitching about another guy who left a place for a better job is absolutely fair. They’re hypocrites.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 16, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I never...
…suggested it was ‘some sort of cure all for every situation’, but if it feels like cheating to use it, dial back in if and when you have a family to consider. I can tell you that I think about my family when I make numerous choices…especially major career moves. Maybe CNS is different, but most of the fathers I know are not.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 16, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Doing something “for your family” doesn’t make it right and, because of that, using it as a justification for doing something rings hollow to me. It’s not some kind of trump card.
…or maybe it is, in which case, I argue on RBR for my family. They need me to do it.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 16, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we are the ones
helping your family by giving them a rest.
That white stuff on the top of chickencrap...... is chickencrap.
by thrashcan on Jul 17, 2010 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I see...
…you thought I was saying that no matter what you do, if you are doing it ‘for your family’, that makes it right. That’s not what I meant to imply. My point is that CNS had at least one obligation larger than the one he ‘owed’ to the Miami Dolphins. Many parents take their families into consideration when making career decisions. In 2007, I read that CNS was one of them.
I would not argue that doing something “for your family” automatically makes it right. I am claiming that, given the decision that CNS had to make, choosing what he thought was best for his family and himself over what the thought was best for his employer was right.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 17, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I still think that’s a false argument. The obligation to his family was larger than the one he “owed” the Dolphins because he didn’t “owe” the Dolphins anything more than what he gave them.
The bottom line is that I don’t care who the promises or obligations are to, if one they conflict, they conflict. The “weaker” one doesn’t just disappear because the other one is stronger.
For example, if you get hired by a company who says they’re going to put a lot of money and effort into training you and they really need you to stick around for a while and you promise that you will, but then a year later another company comes and offers a job that’s better for you and your family, I don’t think it’s “okay” for you to tell the first company to go to hell. Yes, you have an obligation to your family, but you also have an obligation to the first company, and while you might decide to leave the first company high and dry because, in the balance, you decide that of those two conflicting obligations, the best choice is to ignore the one to the company, that doesn’t make it right, good, or okay.
Understandable? Maybe, depending. But you can’t just play the “family” card an expect everyone else to be pleased with it.
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I agree...
…with your second statement, and it essentially signifies what I was implying by placing ‘owed’ in quotations marks. Everything else still seems to be an argument, supported by a lengthy hypothetical situation, against something that I didn’t say, so, whatevs. I tried to clarify myself in my last posted comment. If there’s a particular statement there that needs elaboration, let me know.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 18, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
in the end
we just want players and coaches to be honest. Problem is they literally can’t tell the truth. If Saban had said he was interested in the Bama job, the very same Miami media that raked him over the coals for “lying” would have done far worse for him telling the truth…If Lebron had come out and said he was going to sign elsewhere, less people would have lost respect for him..If Fran..well that guy can rot in hell for all i care.
So as much as we want them to tell the truth, we really know they can’t.
Maybe CNS is different, but most of the fathers I know are not.
I think most fathers try to make the best decision for their current circumstance. My father moved us all around the southeast trying to better his career. Im not so sure each new job was much “better” than the previous but it always paid more. Sometimes he made the right choice, sometimes it was terrible, especially the 6 years he moved us to Tennessee.
I do agree with Pete though, you can’t play the “for my family” card to try and justify bailing on your team/ responsibilities.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
But you can...
…play the responsibilities to the team card to bail on helping your family.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 17, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
i see what you did there...
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Of course, the asymmetry of the situation is being ignored in statements like this: you’re not “not helping your family” by staying with Team A, you’re just not helping them as much, so you’re not really bailing at all, you’re just sacrificing an improvement for the sake of fulfilling the promises you made.
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Are you...
…talking about CNS in particular?
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 18, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
No, just generally.
The problem is that with most of these promises to schools, they’re very black and white “I’m not leaving Oxford unless they carry me out in a pine box” whereas obligations to family are usually much less tangible, and while Job B might be better for the family than Job A, that doesn’t mean that Job A is bad, or that not leaving Job B would be some horrible affront to your family.
It’s trying to compare or equate a discrete set with a continuous set, and that’s a pretty tough thing to do, especially on the margins.
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by PeteHoliday on Jul 18, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
OK...
…just making sure.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 18, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
A lone voice, crying in the wilderness...
…a decent read, but it would have been superior had it drawn on Coach Saban’s move in comparison….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 15, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
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