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Random Thoughts From Around The SEC West

With it a mere nine days until the 2010 college football season officially begins with South Carolina going against Southern Miss, a few random thoughts from around the SEC West before toe meets leather:

LSU

Two years ago, while the Bayou Bengals were busy posing with crystal ball in hand, I consistently argued that LSU was a decidedly overrated team whose success was largely being driven by media hype and random luck. I argued that they actually declined from 2006 to 2007, that their success was unsustainable moving forward given their actual level of play, and that as a general note they were a program with more than their fair share of problems lurking underneath the surface. Two years later, at the risk of self-congratulation, I think as a general matter my arguments have largely been vindicated.

With all that established, I will go on the record and say that I now feel that the pendulum has swung back in the other direction and that now LSU is criminally underrated. Clearly there are issues to address and areas to improve, specifically regarding player development, scheme complexity, offensive line play, and clock management. Even so, while some recruits have not developed as many felt they would the past several years, this remains easily one of the most talented teams in the country, and if there is one thing you should never underestimate it is the potential ability of large amounts of raw talent. If Les Miles and company can just do a competent job of coaching the raw talent they have on hand, this is a team that will win a lot of games.

Besides, this was not a bad football team last year by any stretch of the imagination. They finished up 9-3, with two of those losses coming in relatively close games to clearly the two best teams in the country, and the Pythagorean analysis indicates that record was bona fide. And now, somehow, they are an afterthought with some having them as low as fourth in their own division? No way. This is still likely a better team than either Arkansas or Auburn, and still a team that will be in contention late in the season. They'll probably lose in Gainesville, but even so they'll likely be 7-1 coming off of an off week when Alabama comes to Baton Rouge in November, with a trip to Atlanta clearly on the line. If you're a speculator who likes to gamble, I say go borrow money from everyone you know and bet big on LSU. There is not another team in the country with this amount of potential this ridiculously underrated.

Auburn

Can someone please explain the outcry over the Kirk Herbstreit prediction? For one, at absolute most it's just the opinion of one "expert" in a field where there is a strong incentive to make the occasional bold prediction, and at any rate all Herbstreit really said was that the SEC West was basically a four-way toss-up and that with that established he'd go with Auburn. That's not exactly much of a glowing endorsement, even if you really believe Herbstreit's half-hearted prognostications are the equivalent of the word of God.

That one prediction notwithstanding, from the 30,000 foot view, I really see very little different from this team than a year ago. The offense should be good and the schedule is relatively favorable -- read no Florida -- but the defense still looks to be bad and there is still no depth whatsoever. I see a team with no depth and a bad defense that will be taken as far as their offense and injury luck can take them. To me, that's the same basic formula that they had a year ago. That formula yielded an 8-5 record in 2009, and I imagine it will yield something similar in 2010. Unless this team can find a defense, that is probably their short-term ceiling, even with decent injury luck.

For Auburn to legitimately make it to Atlanta in the first week of December, they would probably need to get to either 6-2 or 7-1 in conference play, and have some tiebreakers on their resume to boot. Specifically, they would definitely need to split games against Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, and Georgia, a daunting task considering they were 0-4 against that slate last year, which included two lopsided blowouts. Furthermore, it would also require an undefeated stretch against Mississippi State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and Kentucky, a doable scenario but nevertheless a relatively difficult one given their shortcomings. Looking at the raw schedule, it's certainly a possibility, but it would take a confluence of many, many serendipitous events for it happen, and is thus unlikely. Another 8-5 type season with a return trip to a mid-tier bowl game is clearly the more probable scenario.

Star-divide

Arkansas

Consider me somewhat of a skeptic on Ryan Mallett. Admittedly he has a howitzer for an arm and posted some very impressive numbers last year, but he's immobile as they come in the pocket, isn't terribly accurate, and plays in a quarterback friendly scheme. Furthermore, I think it's pretty clear at this point that his foot injury is much more of a serious injury than the Hogs originally let on, and moving into 2010 it is probably something that could easily be re-injured given the delicate structural nature of the human foot. That's a particularly pressing concern for a team that, despite returning four starters on the offensive line in 2010, has a line that has really struggled the past two years in pass protection.

The biggest problem with Arkansas, of course, is on defense. Bobby Petrino teams have always struggled defensively, and the Hogs showed little improvement on defense in 2009. They do return their fair share of players defensively, but it's still the same unit that finished dead last in the SEC in total defense the past two years, and until they can actually prove themselves as a formidable unit, it's hard to justify being overly bullish on the Hogs. At some point, regardless of how much of an offensive juggernaut they might be, eventually they're going to have to stop someone defensively to legitimately compete for championships.

When I look at Arkansas as a whole, I see a very, very dangerous team, and I think on any given day they could probably beat any team in the country. Even so, Mallett could easily prove fragile, and there are no guarantees on the defensive side of the ball, so the bottom could easily fall out on this team. While that probably won't happen, until Arkansas can show that it can field a legitimate SEC caliber defense and Mallett can show he is fully recovered from his foot injury, I think you have to rationally figure that the SEC West is still an Alabama v. LSU battle with a dangerous Arkansas team lurking in third.

Ole Miss

The basic consensus that many have about Ole Miss this year goes something like this, "Houston Nutt traditionally struggles when his teams are hyped, but generally surprises when they are overlooked, so Ole Miss will surprise everyone in 2010." I generally find that to be a dumb thought, and one that largely ignores a fairly substantial amount of Nutt's career record. Believe it or not, Nutt has legitimately had some bad teams when they were expected to be bad (see 2004 and 2005) and some good teams when they were expected to be good (see 2002). Quite frankly, Nutt is not the enigma that many like to bill him as. With a couple of notable exceptions, his teams are generally bad when expected to be bad and generally good when they are expected to be good, just about like everyone else.

So you dismiss that as largely nonsense from the outset, and you look at Ole Miss as a team. This was a 9-4 team a year ago, and one that was saved from 8-5 only by Les Miles' incompetence in Oxford. And from that team, they've lost an absolute load of key contributors on both sides of the ball, and Ole Miss recruiting has not exactly been a juggernaut in recent years. In other words, all signs point towards a decline.

The addition of Jeremiah Masoli will help, but you have to temper expectations to a degree because he will be facing tougher competition, have less talent around him relative to the level of competition, will have little time to pick up the offensive scheme, and will be playing in a scheme nowhere near as quarterback friendly as Chip Kelly's spread. He'll do some good if he can stay out of jail all year -- no small assumption given his criminal background -- but it's hard to see him being able to carry Ole Miss past their other significant shortcomings.

The real saving grace for Ole Miss is the schedule, which is about as easy as you can get in the SEC. The non-conference schedule includes Jacksonville State, Tulane, Fresno State, and Louisiana-Lafayette, plus they draw Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and Tennessee out of the SEC East. Combine all of that with their annual game with Mississippi State, and there is a lot of low-lying fruit to be found on this schedule. If this were merely a slightly above average team, they could get eight wins in their sleep. I doubt they're that good, but the easy schedule ought to keep them in 6-6 or 7-5 territory with a low-tier bowl berth once late December rolls around. Even so, it's hard to see this team legitimately competing with Alabama, LSU, or Arkansas.

Mississippi State

I wrote at the end of last season that Dan Mullen had done one of the best coaching jobs in the SEC, guiding the Bulldogs to a 5-7 record despite playing the toughest schedule in the country. Given the complete lack of, well, everything he had at his disposal, that was an impressive accomplishment.

For 2010, though, things still look pretty tough. Mississippi State actually returns quite a few starters, but even so they have to be considered dead last in the SEC West in terms of both raw talent and quality depth. Furthermore, replacing Anthony Dixon will be particularly tough for a bottom-tier team, which generally have an unusually difficult time replacing star players. There are some potential pieces here if Mullen can work his magic again, like Chris Relf, but even so it still just seems like a bridge too far.

The problem for Mississippi State remains the ridiculously tough schedule, which returns for yet another year. They draw Alabama, LSU, and Florida all on the road, plus they get Georgia on the rotational schedule. Throw in games against Arkansas, Ole Miss, Auburn, Kentucky, and Houston, and it's once again a brutal slate. It would be daunting for any team, but for a program like Mississippi State it's going to be even tougher. If Mullen can pull off the same trick he did last year, the Bullies may slip into a low-tier bowl game, but admittedly with their schedule even that is going to quite difficult. The odds are that MSU is still in the cellar of the SEC West in four months.

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Can someone please explain the outcry over the Kirk Herbstreit prediction?

as pointed out on the RBR twitter. the barn went 0-3 vs alabama, arkansas, lsu and died on the back stretch of the season when the lack of depth on the defense took its toll. the argument he’s making is that the barn will pick up two of those three losses and alabama as well as arkansas and lsu are going to drop at least two in the west (and completely overlooks a dark horse ole miss squad). maybe one or even two of the west squads runs into a rocky patch this year, but all of them…? not likely.

none of which maligns the achievements of that team last year, which were considerable given the situation or their prospects for improvement this year. without a serious step forward in that defense – which few are expecting – that’s…. pushing the bounds of reality a bit far.

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by kleph on Aug 24, 2010 8:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Can you ever explain a preseason sports outcry??

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by Alabama ManDance on Aug 24, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's like talking about your mother...

It’s in our nature to defend our beloved team.

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by skycaster on Aug 24, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's more the gaping hole in the fabric of logic

saying it is tantamount to saying “i have no idea what is the actual situation of teams in the sec west and, by extension, all of college football.”

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by kleph on Aug 24, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

No team

can go 11 games straight w/ the amount of depth they have and not fall apart. Whoever sets up the barn’s schedule hates the football team.

Some people say "If you can't beat them, join them". I say "If you can't beat them, beat them", because they will be expecting you to join them, so you will have the element of surprise.

by BamaHadMeAtHello on Aug 24, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, whoever makes the schedule

Realizes that the only game that truly matters to them is the Iron Bowl. If they struggle during the first 11 games, at least they have a bye week to prepare for us.

by Bamabrave4 on Aug 24, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, I wonder if Herbie watched 5 minutes of the Spring game...

That is not a West contender; that’s the new Ole Miss…7 or 8 wins a year. The defense is still awful, there is no punisher in the backfield like Tate (although they may platoon with depth), and losing Antonio Coleman is a big deal. Not to mention, a first year SEC starter at QB.

7-5, Independence Bowl.

"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero

by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 24, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

ugh, edit, edit

Liberty…The Weedeater is sadly no more (for the SEC).

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by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 24, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shreveport was awesome...

Like a dollar hooker on nickel night.

"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero

by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 24, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

if there is one thing you should never underestimate it is the potential ability of large amounts of raw talent.

On that note, Mike Dubose would like to once again thank Shaun Alexander and Chris Samuels for the nice ring they got him.

by CarrotTop4 on Aug 24, 2010 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

The "hype" coming from Auburn fans...

is reminding me of Texas A&M fans when I lived in College Station from 2005-2006. Offensive system is crazy good; QB is a Heisman lock because of said system, etc. There were even media-types that were picking A&M to do very well.

I believe they didn’t make a bowl game that year.

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by CaliforniaTide on Aug 24, 2010 9:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Are you saying.....

Cam Newton is a heisman lock?

by skegler on Aug 24, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, he's not.

Read it again.

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by Thomas Walker Esq on Aug 24, 2010 11:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

That part of the comparison's not really valid, I don't think,

because no one is even mentioning him for Heisman, as far as I know. Maybe only in the deepest pits of Lee County.

by CarrotTop4 on Aug 24, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The barn will be improved

I believe they will be improved over last year. I do NOT believe they have the talent to win the West next season. I simply can not believe someone actually picked them to win the West. Blows my mind. I would expect someone to go with maybe lsu or arkansas (especially with everyone being so in love with ryan mallett), but the barn?? Come on!!!

by nashvillebama on Aug 24, 2010 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Your own analysis betrays you
If Les Miles and company can just do a competent job of coaching the raw talent they have on hand

He is 14-10 in the conference over the last 3 years wtih elite raw talent. What makes you think that his percentage will be above average this year when the West is as strong as it has ever been? Of course they will win games but you can also consistently depend upon Miles to blow at least 2 conference games. In this year’s SEC that will likely mean 3 or 4 losses for the Bengals and their Hat.

The rest of your analysis is spot on, and the reason why I think Bama will win the West again.

I’m not as confident about winning the SECCG or the Bowl. That’s when this team will likely need to step up like last year’s team. Don’t know yet if they are capable.

by toofull on Aug 24, 2010 9:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Chavis is an upgrade in coaching on the defensive side of the ball.

LSU’s problems are on offense and at quarterback. I think OTS is just pointing out the fact that the amount of talent assembled on the roster is close to par with Alabama whereas the other teams in the West are not there yet.

by skegler on Aug 24, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

LSU’s problems are on offense and at quarterback.

…and under the hat.

by CarrotTop4 on Aug 24, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't forget Gary Crowton at OC

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by Thomas Walker Esq on Aug 24, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

*this is not incredibly insightful but I like to see my instincts backed up by numbers

I know Bama’s defense is reloading from massive losses last year, but I think their offensive efficiency, which will only be better from last year, will go a long way towards filling the gaps of the defense. I don’t really think they will suffer defensively and here’s why. I also think LSU’s defense was pretty damn good last year and is being overlooked so far. I also think that with even a hint of improvement in the Tiger ground game (it can’t get any worse, right? Right? /nervous chuckle), I think we are going to be really good.
  
In 2009, Bama’s defense took on the werewolf with a chainsaw dick role and really lived up to it. The #2 total defense played in 14 games, gave up only 18 TDs and allowed an avg of 4.05 yds per play for 244.14 yds per game.

In contrast, LSU was 26th total defense giving up 19 touchdowns with an avg of 4.68 yds per play in 13 games. Just looking at those stats, we are looking pretty even with Bama which is astounding given how terrible the 2008 LSU defense was.

However, we gave up a total avg of 327.62 yds a game compared to Bama’s 244. The difference is LSU’s defense was on the field for a total of 910 plays compared to Bama’s 844. And Bama played an extra game. I don’t want to do the math to try to back out how the defenses would have stacked up if they played the same number of plays, but I think you’d have the start of a compelling argument that, statistically, LSU’s defense was just as good as Bama’s last year.

The difference being, and it is beyond obvious, that LSU’s offense was 3 and out constantly because they couldn’t move the chains , they were just terrible, on the ground whereas Bama dominated the clock in just about every game by running the ball , keeping the opposing defense on the field for a totally lopsided TOP. Much ink has been spilled explaining the drop off in the run game from 2007 to 2009 at ATVS if you are interested.

So, if LSU’s run game can get back to its 2007 running game (2998 total yards, 35 tds, 214 yds per game, 316 first downs – that split should look pretty familiar to Bama fans) or something close to it (even 2008 2168 total yds, 27tds, 166 yds per game, 254 first downs) would help tremendously), and I have no good reason to predict that it will, I think LSU could absolutely challenge Bama for best team in the West. But, if the 2009 LSU ground game shows up (1596 total yards, 15 tds, 122 yds per game, 226 first downs), we are fooked no matter how good the defense is. LSU is -90 first downs from 2007 to 2009. 90! Just think about that for a minute.

If I were to make a prediction, it would be that Bama’s run game gets stronger with Richardson getting more carries which partially compensates for the defensive inexperience giving Bama more than a puncher’s chance to be as good as 2009. I think LSU gets drastically better on the ground but not enough to make a difference. It’s Bama’s to lose.

by haveagreatday on Aug 25, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

whoops

those rushing splits I gave should be changed to reflect rushing first downs (2007 – 153, 2009 – 100) rather than the total first downs which I mistakenly included. So LSU is -53 in rushing first downs from 2007 to 2009.

by haveagreatday on Aug 25, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is an excellent post...

But, what are these “facts” you speak of? I prefer speculation and random asshattery.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 26, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course they will win games but you can also consistently depend upon Miles to blow at least 2 conference games.

I don’t necessarily degree with that, but even so the SEC West could easily be won with a 6-2 record in conference play. If LSU loses to, say, Florida and Arkansas, but otherwise runs the table and beats Alabama, they’ve got a great chance to get to Atlanta.

The point is just that no team in the SEC West, ourselves included, is definitely set to run the table. We are likely the prohibitive favorite, but we’ve got issues of our own and our conference schedule is basically a worst-case scenario (Florida and South Carolina out of the East, plus all of those off weeks). Long story short, there’s a good chance that 6-2 can stamp your ticket this year.

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by outsidethesidelines on Aug 24, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I certainly don't want . . .

. . . to say that it’s impossible for Bama to lose 2 games this year; it’s just doesn’t seem very likely, given the Florida game is at home. We may lose one game. I’d guess at South Carolina at this point if forced to choose but that still doesn’t seem very likely.

My point is that if you can count on the Hat to blow 2 games (regardless of his talent level), then you can predict with a good deal of confidence that Bama will win the West. It is possible for the winner of the West to go 6-2, as LSU did in 2007. However, the Bama of 2010 seems light-years head of the Bama of 2007. I will be very surprised, not to mention disappointed and mildly devastated, if Bama loses 2 conference games. Given that, it seems unlikely that LSU will win the West, even with only 2 losses.

Thanks again for your analysis and particularly your efforts to consider all possibilities.

by toofull on Aug 24, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking @ Sakerlina is our L, too

or, perennial terror, LSU.

"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero

by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 26, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

LSU was the benefactor of media largesse

as well as luck as you say

I consistently argued that LSU was a decidedly overrated team whose success was largely being driven by media hype and random luck.

Neither of those are going away anytime soon though. And, random luck/freakish bounces/aberrant plays are a big part of the game. Despite all that, though, overwhelming talent (no matter how undercoached) has a way of manufacturing those strange little moments that swing close games.

Talent, more than any other factor, is why LSU hoisted the crystal ball in 2007.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 24, 2010 10:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Neither of those are going away anytime soon though.

I disagree there. The media has clearly shunned them at this point, and the luck that I was referring to — fumble luck — has deserted them as well.

Raw talent obviously played a huge role in what happened in 2007, but even with that they would have never done what they did without the media hype and fumble luck. Take those two things away and it’s a 9-4 team headed to play in the Capital One Bowl that barely gets top ten consideration. Those two things went into the mix, they jumped to 10-2, and with a bit more luck (facing a weak Tennessee team in Atlanta, WVU pulling an epic choke job, etc.) and pollster adoration they end up facing Ohio State (more luck) in New Orleans for the title. By no means that was mainly talent.

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by outsidethesidelines on Aug 24, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't referring to LSU specifically

Sorry, I wasn’t clear. Yes, they are semi-pariah at this point, but luck and favoritism (especially with the rise of the ESPN hegemony) are big helps to winning it all. And, I think the luck I was referring to is sort of the balls-out luck that always seems to benefit the good teams (think Clint Stoerner’s fumble against Tennessee). To a lesser extent, sometimes the cards just fall into place. Think back to 1992. We needed an upset in the Apple Cup to defrock the Huskies from their perch at #2, and then hold serve against the Barn/UF to make it in.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 24, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Media meme is luck

I mean, it’s outside your control. LSU was lucky to be the team tapped in 2007, no question. Though it’s no insult to say the 2006 team was better. I honestly believe the 2006 team is the best LSU team of my lifetime. Even better than both MNC teams.

Just goes to show, sometimes you don’t get the luck. LSU was incredibly unlucky in 2009 and still had a good season (in fact, a game that many point to as a “lucky win” – Mississippi State – included a botched FG from 19 yards out, a missed PAT on a bad snap, and a goalline stand… by Mississippi St).

Then again, as Branch Rickey says, luck is the residue of design.

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by Poseur on Aug 24, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is a difference between luck and choking

Botching two gimme field goals and getting stood up at the goal line is just not executing.

by Bamabrave4 on Aug 24, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, it was raining

And the long snapper messed up the snap. Twice. He’s unpopular.

My point is, if MSU’s goalline stand isn’t luck, neither is LSU’s. LSU won on their own goalline stand, and you say, thats just the other team not executing.

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by Poseur on Aug 24, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

raw talent is also covering for a multitude of sins...

which is the way i see the issue. why should a team as awesome across the board in terms of athletic ability be relying on luck at all?

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by kleph on Aug 24, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

For fun:

Alabama = Florida – the prohibitive favorites
LSU = Georgia – the talented team who can’t quite live up to expectations
Auburn = Tennessee – Have to rely on down seasons by the big 2 in order to make a play for the division
Arkansas = South Carolina – since joining the SEC, only acheiving a few rare moments in the sun, otherwise not talented enough to compete with the big 3.
Ole Miss = Kentucky – sometimes giving the top tier teams a scare, once in a while pulling an upset, but never seriously considered a power.
Miss State = Vandy – which is somehwat unfair to State, but otherwise appropriate as they both are almost always at the bottom of the preseason rankings.

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by NJBammer on Aug 24, 2010 10:30 AM CDT reply actions  

And, absolutely ditto

until proven otherwise, the West is Alabama and LSU, with the troika of Auburn/Ole Miss/Arkansas finishing anywhere thereafter (my money is actually on MSU not finishing in the cellar this year…that will belong to either Auburn or Ole Miss).

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by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 24, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I was actually thinking along similar lines

That MSU could make a push for not last place in the west this year. Unfortunately, they seem to be in the opposite position of LSU – good coaching, but very little talent to go around.

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by billycthulhu on Aug 24, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spot on, OTS ...

… as usual. With Florida coming to T-Town, and us traveling to Baton Rouge, LSU is the most concerning game this year for me. Arkansas is this year’s Ole Miss. Auburn will be the same, … well, … Auburn that they were last year. Ole Miss will decline even further, especially after Masoli’s pending arrest. And, Mississippi (oops, I mean Mississipi) State will be another tough, hard fought game that we win again. Roll TIDE!

Dr. BamaFrazier is IN!

by BamaFrazier on Aug 24, 2010 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Masoli got pinched?

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by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 24, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

merely a delayed inevitability

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by Thomas Walker Esq on Aug 24, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Death, taxes, getting laid off at Fortune 500

and Nutt taking head cases.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 24, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would be kinda cool

for Bama to roll into red stick with both teams undefeated. Not really expecting that though.

by tbone57 on Aug 24, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good read.

When you look at things objectively, even with our loses on D, there is no way any of these teams should beat us for the west slot in the SECCG. If they do, well I feel we have no one to blame but oursleves as we will have handed it to them.

We could lose to Arky, but no way Mallet plays great every game and their team is Mallet. Arky should lose at least 3 SEC games.

We could lose to LSU but again I just can’t see Miles not blowing a game or two. LSU should lose at least 3 SEC games.

We could lose to Auburn, but my goodness that would be an upset. I think Auburn is really over rated right now. No way Auburn doesn’t lose 3 SEC games even with an easy SEC schedule. (Personally I like Auburn 4-4 in the SEC, 7-5 overall.)

So you really have to ask, could Bama actually lose 3 SEC games? Wow, we could, but it would require a real melt down. We will be favored in every game- so can we be upset 3 times in 1 year? I just don’t see it. We had some luck last year— UT, LSU & Auburn. But, even if our luck is all bad I would just be shocked if we lost 3 games in which we had the better coahcing staff, the better players, and were clear favorites.

You play them one at a time, but overall I like our chances.

Herbstreet just wants OSU to win it all and so he predicts Bama to fall because he wants Bama to fall.

As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.

by 5026 on Aug 24, 2010 3:50 PM CDT reply actions  

can we be upset 3 times in 1 year?

Well after the first 2, the third one wouldn’t be an upset!! LOL hmmm :-\

by CarrotTop4 on Aug 24, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point with Auburn...

Let me clarify my point regarding Auburn and the Herbstreit prediction. I was not questioning the prediction itself. What I was questioning was the response of many Alabama to that prediction.

Some Alabama fans have gotten all up in arms like it’s some travesty and are completely unable to grasp how anyone could ever even fathom uttering it. My point is simply why any rational Alabama ought to give a damn one way or the other. We’re defending national champions, still on top, have combined to beat Auburn, LSU, and Tennessee seven straight times, and we are basically King Kong of the college football world right now. With that established, why in the world is some of our fan base getting up in arms just because one talking head made a single half-hearted prediction of Auburn going to Atlanta?

Me thinks a good part of our fan base ought to drop the Auburn obsession. As a whole we aren’t as obsessed with them as they are with us, but some of our fan base clearly needs to concern themselves much less with that bunch.

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by outsidethesidelines on Aug 24, 2010 6:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the reason

people are upset is because they live and work with Auburn people and once they heard this they got worse to live with.

Of course that will change during the season, but right now a lot of Auburn folks are acting like they, and not Alabama, are the defending champions. And living with these folks is hard enough under normal conditions. But, just let a national figure sing the praises of Auburn and what follows will turn your stomach.

Of course we lived through 2002-2007. But we don’t want to relive that junk even for a few weeks. That is why they are upset.

As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.

by 5026 on Aug 24, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'd trade having 1 out of 20 guys in the office even being college fans (much less that they are big 10 or pac 10 fans typically)

for a bunch of stupid barners. at least i’d have interesting trash talk sessions at work. all i got is one dude who like nebraska and another who likes OU, and while their idiocy does keep me entertained, i imagine it’d be another world of laughter if i worked with some barners.

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by tempebamafan on Aug 24, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great write-up..

I believe you are one of the few writers/bloggers/talking heads with any kind of influence that’s giving LSU any kind of chance.

One of the reasons I like perusing this blog in particular. Even if the view is less than favorable towards LSU, I can still rely on it coming from a rational perspective followed by deep analysis.

by Mikeno on Aug 25, 2010 12:36 AM CDT reply actions  

I completely agree

I found this blog via the LSU SB nation blog and I’m really astounded at the objectivity. I agree with all the analysis in the blog post and subsequent comments here.

Even our own fanbase is overlooking us. There is so much negativity amongst LSU folks right now, in spite of what I believe are some real positives for this season (the talent, etc).

I really do believe that the SEC West will be won November the 6th when Bama comes to Baton Rouge. I look forward to the season!

by robbiesqp on Aug 25, 2010 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

i was scared shitless of lsu last year

and i’m scared shitless of them this year.

which is exactly why i was there in 09 and plan to be there in 10.

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by kleph on Aug 25, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm scared shitless of them every year

The Tigers are the Florida of the West…a now-awakened long-slumbering giant (yes, they are traditionally good, but not consistently like this). They also have the benefit of a big name, rich coastal recruiting, in a state with no other contenders.

For the foreseeable future the West is, and will remain, Alabama-LSU, with everyone else playing for third.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 25, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pride goeth before the fall...

I have no such hubris. Remember 2008? They absolutely punished us in the trenches, gashed us for almost 200 yards rushing. If not for sketchy QB play, they win that game. 2009? Close call with the PP non-interception, and Scott got hurt after ripping off a monster on us. Remember the dog fight until Julio busted the screen for a long TD?

Make no mistake; LSU has as much talent as anyone in the country, including Florida, USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas and, yes, Alabama.

"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero

by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 25, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I totally agree.

But on the other hand, Les Miles is an idiot and Patrick Peterson is a whiny pu**y. And your etouffee smells like nutria!

LETS KICK THIS THING OFF ALREADY!!

by CarrotTop4 on Aug 25, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's because the etouffee

is nutria?

"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero

by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 25, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

my etouffe

smells like crawfish. i have no idea what the hell you people are messing around with.

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by kleph on Aug 30, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

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