"If a guy wants to borrow money from an agent because he's poor, what is wrong with that?" Barkley said. "Nobody can tell me what is wrong with that. I got money from agents when I was in college and I went in the '80s. Most of the players I know borrowed money from agents. The colleges don't give us anything. If they give us a pair of sneakers, they get in trouble. Why can't an agent lend me some money and I'll pay him back when I graduate?"
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I cant understand how
getting a college education is nothing. These guys really think they are getting nothing? Then dump the schollys and see how many of them can play on their own ticket.
"Some people have a way with words....some people....not have way." - Steve Martin
well getting a education at AU is getting nothing...
To be honest my cousin went to AU and he is one hell of an engineer. My 2nd cuz is at vet school at AU right now. College is super expensive and if you load classes and redshirt you could get a masters before you left school. What the hell am I thinking, you go to college to get trained for the NBA or NFL, get drunk, and laid.
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by TheGTOJudge on Sep 17, 2010 10:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well let's be honest...
Colleges don’t go about recruiting “student athletes” they get athletes and make them participate as students. As someone who grew up in a situation similar what Barkley describes, I can understand. It’s naive to expect someone who has no one in their family or immediate surroundings with a college degree to understand the value of it or have the background to be prepared for it. Secondly, a college degree doesn’t guarantee anything and simply having tuition and board covered certainly doesn’t help your struggling family eat and pay bills.
By the looks of things, I'm pretty sure God doesn't care how you do in sports.
by zarahoopstra on Sep 18, 2010 5:31 AM CDT up reply actions
How many college players
of any sport actually make it to the pro level after college? I don’t have the exact numbers, but I’d bet it is an extremely small percentage. Getting a college degree doesn’t guarantee the student athlete anything other than a brighter future and a better chance of landing a higher paying job than if the student athlete only has a high school diploma.
The scholarships these student athletes receive provides them with an opportunity to get an education that they more than likely would not be able to get if they didn’t get that free ride or at the very least without racking up the student loans. How quickly would most college students jump at the chance to be able to graduate from college relatively debt free? The scholarships may not put money on the table right now, but if they study and apply themselves academically they will be infinitely better off in the future than if they didn’t get that free education. To act as if getting a free college education for playing sports is nothing special is more than naive.
Want to talk about “more than naive”? Try: pretending like an undergraduate college degree is fair compensation for the individuals that power a multi-billion dollar industry that they are forbidden by rule to participate in in any money-making capacity.
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by PeteHoliday on Sep 19, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Start paying them then
and we can have two professional football divisions in the US. We see how players that are getting paid act. Most of the NFL isn’t worth watching because spoiled rich men are playing the game.
"Some people have a way with words....some people....not have way." - Steve Martin
I don't understand the correlation.
The players provide a service of monetary value. Why would they not be strongly tempted to utilize that if in dire need? Even if they don’t cave and this is decided ‘ethical’ (which is only constituted as such through stipulative and contingent rules that restrict the athlete), it still doesn’t improve the argument that a scholarship is commensurate with contributions to University profit. A scholarship is of FUTURE value (and an increasingly uncertain one at that). The issue these athletes are dealing with are of CURRENT need. I think the lack of understanding here is largely due to a lack of understanding of the conditions many of these students emerge from. People like Saban get this and that is why he is looking to have sanctions placed on the Agents. Penalizing the student and student’s teammates will always be a loosing strategy. You will never take away motive inspired by need, but by focusing on agents you can mediate motive by greed.
By the looks of things, I'm pretty sure God doesn't care how you do in sports.
by zarahoopstra on Sep 18, 2010 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions
It's interesting that he desided the best agent
was the one that didn’t give “loan” him money.
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by TideFanAtlanta on Sep 18, 2010 10:00 AM CDT reply actions
Why can't an agent lend me some money and I'll pay him back when I graduate
What if you don’t graduate? What if you are a bomb and amount to nothing as far as a sports career goes? What makes you a less of a risk to a loan institution as opposed to an agent, who, by the way, is expecting to make much more from you than a bank will. Maybe all of these agents can start up a loan bank to assist these neer-do-well atheletes and call it the “Shady agents loan and cement association”. And the NCAA can oversee the entire process. I mean, gee whiz, they wouldn’t be crooked. Would they?Just saying.
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Student athletes are not permitted by the NCAA to take out loans (from anyone, including banks) using their future professional earning potential as assurance of debt repayment. What makes you less of a risk to an agent is that the agent is better able to evaluate your future earnings potential than a bank is.
You’re basically asking why Venture Capital firms exist — after all, what makes a business venture less of a risk to a VC than a bank?
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Sep 19, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Mr Holiday
You’re a hundred times smarter than I am. And you know the ins and outs of this sport. I’m just thinking along the lines of shady agents getting their hands on players and taking advantage ot them. Of course, some, many, would say that is what the Universities do with a lot of these young men anyway. It seems to me the potential of indebting one’s self to an agent is a whole lot worse than owing money to a bank. Or do I owe the profession of agents an apology? And this article did have to do with agents loaning money. Somewhere along the line they are going to want their money back. With interest.
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Is there a statute of limitations on this?
Can’t the NCAA get after the Barn 25 years down the road? They may have no evidence left at the school, but surely a confession is worth more than that.
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Sep 18, 2010 11:46 AM CDT reply actions
Guess I should have read the link first, huh? :)
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Sep 18, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
How it works .......
IMO … ‘Sports’ graduates generally do not get competative degrees (the ones that do get a degree). Many sports guys come from a sub-culture and college exposes them to the ‘main-stream’ culture. With some, it takes. With others, not. That is really the best thing that the present system does for many of these kids.
If a kid goes to school and gets a ‘non-professional’ degree, they will end up selling shoes at the mall. Originally college was created to polish kids of the wealthy and they had a ‘job’ waiting after graduation. English and History are NOT essential skills in the job market. We have glutted the job market with college degrees to the point that you now need one to work in the mailroom. Sadly, the athletes that can’t make the NFL, CFL, Arena league or local semi-pro will fall back into the lower tiers of the job market.
There is a ‘dark underside’ to college athletics and it’s the money stuff because it’s close to uninforcable. If they ‘paid’ players, the education part would be a joke and the few that do apply themselves to the standards that are required might blow it off and they would be lost. Shaquille O’Neal went back to school and finished about two years ago because of the honor of the degree (criminal justice), he certainly didn’t have to. The only way to have any hope of fixing the present system is universally and strictly applied standards and that isn’t happening. Barkley got through and didn’t get caught as do many others and that’s just the way it is.
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