After being ruled ineligible for the 2010 season by the NCAA earlier this week, Ole Miss quarterback Jeremiah Masoli got some good news on Friday.
The NCAA Division I Subcommittee for Legislative Relief accepted Masoli's appeal of the decision and has cleared him to play for the Rebels immediately.
USA Today: Jeremiah Masoli wins appeal, is cleared to play for Ole Miss immediately
Damn, I guess Saban and the REC don't control the entire universe after all. I still don't know how well Masoli will play in 2010 with tougher opposition, weaker team, new system, etc., but Ole Miss has to be happy. If nothing else, the Ole Miss and South Carolina games look a tad tougher today than they did at this time yesterday. Meanwhile, Tuscaloosa residents should make sure they can stay at home the weekend of October 15th to protect their laptops, guitars and what not. Consider it a warm-up for when Cam Newton comes to town.
Note: Hat tip to dyrnych for the fanshot.
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with Masoli's appeal...
getting taken care of relatively quick, is there any chance we hear something on Dareus’ appeal by end of next week (before the game)?
It's possible, but...
It’s possible, but you have to keep in mind that these are two very, very different cases, and anything touching Agentgate is going to be more time-consuming.
I think we’ll actually get a ruling on appeal before the game, mind you, but it’s almost certain to affirm the original ruling. Pete nailed it last night, with two trips this could have been much, much worse, and considering the NCAA already cut it from four games to two, that’s not likely going to go any further.
And honestly, if we do appeal, I figure it’s a token appeal to show Dareus and other players that we support them and will defend them all the way to the end. I really don’t think it’s something that UA is doing because they think it has any real chance of success.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Sep 3, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
good points...
that’s why you’re the man OTS.
by RammerJammer23 on Sep 3, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Saban said on ESPN today that if you think there is a valid reason for an appeal....
then you go ahead with it even tho’ time is short. (I’m paraphrasing). They might think there’s a chance to get him back? He also said that he was thinking about the game and the compliance office would file an appeal on Monday.
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by TideFanAtlanta on Sep 3, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe this has already been answered somewhere else, but...
(sorry for the thread jacking)
What exactly did Dareus do wrong? Do we know? UA says that he didn’t knowingly violate any rules and was completely honest. So why is he being punished at all?? And he’s being made to repay money (to charity); did the NCAA determine that he DID accept benefits from an agent? Or was it for things that he thought his “friend” Austin was paying, only to find out later that the money came from an agent?
What exactly did Dareus do wrong? Do we know?
Yes, we do. He unintentionally accepted impermissible benefits in the form of transportation, meals, and lodging. Basically he accepted $1800 worth of flights, hotels, and meals that he was not supposed to receive given the source of those perks.
UA says that he didn’t knowingly violate any rules and was completely honest. So why is he being punished at all??
Intent isn’t everything. Say, for example, in good faith you failed to report ten million dollars of income to the IRS. You had no intent whatsoever to deceive the government or to even reduce your tax burden, complete and total honest mistake. You think the feds are going to take it easy on you? Obviously not.
Again, intent is not everything, and many crimes / regulatory rules violations do not require any specific or general intent to be guilty of wrongdoing. The NCAA sets a standard that student-athletes are expected to adhere to, and if you fail to meet that standard you are subject to punishment, regardless of whether or not you actually intended to commit any violation.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Sep 3, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, thanks
but I’m still not clear on how it went down. Is the story that he thought Austin was paying for everything but that the money was actually coming from an agent?
If I'm wearing a turban, it means Auburn is playing Iraq.
Well, that we really don't know...
According to the reports out there, the hotel rooms weren’t in the names of the players (no surprise). However, the flights were, so there was at least a trail there.
I think the money was coming from the agent via a runner (Austin?), but no one really knows for. The NCAA applauded Dareus for being so honest, so by that then his talk about repaying Austin must have been legitimate. Of course, though, we have this whole second trip now, of which no one knows anything whatsoever about, so it’s hard to say much beyond the very, very little that we know.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Sep 3, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Well if he had repaid Austin (as he said he did)
then he wouldn’t have to pay any restitution, at least not for that flight. So I guess the restitution is for the second trip…. I don’t know, just seems like there are some holes there. But whatever; he’ll be back for Arkansas and I’m happy with that.
If I'm wearing a turban, it means Auburn is playing Iraq.
Maybe?
I suppose that could be it, but by the same token I really don’t know.
And the thing with the hotels is that these places were $500-ish a night. It would have been real easy to rack up an $1800 bill even on about a three-day stay.
Who knows? We’ll probably have to wait until they spill the beans on the UNC investigation before we really know how this went down.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Sep 3, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You know it's football season....
We had a meltdown post already this week and OTS is already in midseason form with the gratuitous and appreciated shots at auburn…….well done sir……
This is off point but how do you post a fan post
I did all I was supposed do to but when I went to publish, it said “Body can’t be Blank” yet when I preview it the body is all there.
Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is. - Josey Wales
Are you sure you didn’t try to post a fanshot accidentally?
If you were in the fanposts, then it should have posted and was probably just a glitch with SB Nation.
Try it again and see if you can get it to work. If not, shoot me an e-mail.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Sep 3, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Epic
Meanwhile, Tuscaloosa residents should make sure they can stay at home the weekend of October 15th to protect their laptops, guitars and what not. Consider it a warm-up for when Cam Newton comes to town.
A true LOL post.
I am so with you. I am sick about Alfy.
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by TideFanAtlanta on Sep 3, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
I’m shocked at the NCAA reversal. I sure wish we could have gotten a reversal on Alfy Hill. But alas Hill played by the rules, wasn’t arrested, kicked off a team etc. so I guess he had no shot.
As much as I hate Auburn I hate Tenn. that much more.
OTS and/or Pete...
Will you please speak to the rule that allowed Masoli to transfer, the reason(s) for the initial non-approval of his tranfer, and now this. Is there not some caveat or stipulation in the provision that the player transferring must be in good standing with the institution where the undergraduate degree was obtained. It seems to me that he is being allowed to avoid the consequences of his actions by taking advantage of one of the few rules that the NCAA has in place that makes sense and is fair. Or maybe I am just missing the real issue altogether. Thanks.
"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"
And the way he got around
having to sit a year, is he chose a subject for his undergraduate at Ole Miss in something that Oregon doesn’t offer. It is a really tricky way of doing it, but that is what he did.
by BamaGirlinDallas on Sep 3, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Post-grad
Masoli was a post-grad student, rather than a true sophomore, junior, etc. So, he merely had to apply for a waiver to attend a different school and compete in their athletic program.
"That rug really tied the room together."
Pete can answer better than I can, but...
About five or six years ago (2005-ish), the NCAA passed a rule that, in essence, stated that a student-athlete who had graduated from one institution could transfer to another institution, without having to sit out a year, so long as he was pursuing a new field of study that was not offered by his previous institution. Florida had a DB on their 2006 championship team that followed Urban Meyer to Gainesville as the most high-profile example.
The original ruling in the Masoli case, seemingly to me anyway, stated that while Masoli had graduated from Oregon, he had been kicked off the team there and it was against the spirit of the rule to allow someone to effectively use the rule to transfer for athletic reasons and to avoid punishment imposed by his former coach by using a rule rooted in academics as a pretext. I haven’t read the specifics of the appeal, so I cannot speak for certain on that one way or the other.
In any event, I’m no fan of the ruling, but they didn’t ask me. It’s a good rule to have in place, but it’s frustrating to see it abused for the reasons present here.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Sep 3, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not at all upset by this...
He gamed the rules; hell, that happens every day (ever heard of tax attorneys, good accountants, cops, etc?). I am really, really interested to see how Nutt uses Masoli. And, conversely, how Masoli will fare against a decidedly better class of defenders.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Sep 3, 2010 5:59 PM CDT reply actions
Relatedly, if the NCAA wants to punish
students for the intent, rather than the plain language of their own regulation, then it should most certainly be a permissive/open-ended standard, with such little room for discretionary interpretations.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Sep 3, 2010 6:13 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed.
If the rule doesn’t say something about the context of the transfer or disciplinary situation at the first institution, then there’s no way they should hold someone accountable for that. Obviously, the NCAA isn’t exactly known as always adhering to any semblance of the “rule of law,” but maybe they can start…
by Bama philosophe on Sep 3, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
you’re cute with your whole “faith in the rule of law” thing.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Sep 3, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Well the NCAA's point, I think,
was that the rule is not that students are automatically allowed to transfer but rather that they can APPLY to the NCAA for a waiver, and it is up to the NCAA’s discretion to give that waiver. So they want to reserve the right to deny a request, and in this case they were calling BS.
If I'm wearing a turban, it means Auburn is playing Iraq.
They can call B.S. all they want
however, they will run into a selective enforcement/due process issue (and a granted scholly is a property interest, AND state action, fully invoking the 5th and 14th amendment protections). So, after years of rubberstamping felons, thugs, dissatisfied 3rd stringers, disaffected head cases and the like, the NCAA can’t suddenly invoke a new, subjective standard based on its presumed intent of the player.
That, my friends, is a lawsuit even our resident 1Ls could win with one shoddily-drafted demand letter.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Sep 3, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Dammit, I didn't think the lawyers were jumping at this one already.
“No ma’am, we’re hoping it won’t be necessary to involve the authorities. IS THIS YOUR F***ING HOMEWORK?!”
You’re probably right. Just a note though: this is a fairly new rule. I don’t know that there has been a case like this previously to test the system.
If I'm wearing a turban, it means Auburn is playing Iraq.
Sounds like the people...
who wrote the rule are idiots with no foresight whatsoever. Then again it is the NCAA!
"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"
I'm seeing it pretty much the same way.
I think the original ruling was correct based on the intent of the waiver rule, but the reversal on appeal was correct because it was pointed out that there were several prior cases that they approved that were just like Masoli’s situation. There is a problem with the rule in that it is not explicit enough in its intent and the consistency in applying it. I’m guessing that they decided to give the waiver to Masoli based on precedent and that this rule is going to be revised soon so that transfers to skirt disciplinary actions can’t happen again.
Masoli
is a P.o.S. thief. I would love to motherF him. I’d love to make him really think about how big of a P.o.S. he is. I would just want to be in the same room with him just long enough to ask him. Cam Newton also.
Seriously, are these guys total turds or what?
These guys steal crap and then these ball-less coaches placate ‘em and say, "Well, he made a mistake. He’s learned."
No, dickhead, losing your temper and swearing at someone in an argument, or saying something mean, or copping an attitude is making a mistake. Masoli and Newton robbed some people, which signifies an extreme disregard for oh, laws, rules, common dignity, honesty, and a variety of other things.
Masoli should be banned because he’s a lowlife turd who made his “mistake” twice. The only reason he expressed any compunction is that he got caught because he (or they, to include Newton in this case) are semi-retarded. People give Saban crap, but Saban doesn’t recruit felons; he kicks them off the team.
For the love of God, let someone have a huge banner that reads MASOLI SHOULD STILL BE LOCKED UP or MASOLI’S a CRIMINAL SCUM…ROLL TIDE.
Doesn’t anybody give a shit about the rules anymore? This isn’t ’Nam, there are rules here.
www.totteringworld.com
Houston Nutt = Nolan Richardson...
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Sep 3, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Chizik has no standards either. At least Les Miles kicked Perilloux off the team. Of course, Perilloux wasn’t a criminal as much as he was an attitude issue so that makes sense.
Newton’s probably just another average kid with no respect for other people or their possessions. He’s never shown any real contrition.
www.totteringworld.com
He’s never shown any real contrition.
I don’t think he ever actually admitted any wrongdoing. The last I heard his PR rep / agent father was still shelling out the whole spiel about how it was all one giant misunderstanding.
That’s what I’ve never figured out about the Auburn love for that kid, he’s an obvious mercenary. And if he has half the success this year they think he will, he’ll bolt Auburn faster than Rudi Johnson could have ever imagined.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Sep 3, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
And I hope they’re undefeated coming into the Iron Bowl. They won’t be, of course, but it would be nice to have the Iron Bowl decide the NFCSEC West.
He will rock you...he will roll you...come on, come on, come on...all day, all night, you'll feel...my heat...feel, feel, feel, feel, feel...feel my heat!
And then we'll be hearing
about his meeting with Roger Goodell and his NFL suspension.
by BamaGirlinDallas on Sep 3, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I will stand and applaud
Just like when Mammy said, “Got off my porch, you white trash!” I stood and I applauded.
He will rock you...he will roll you...come on, come on, come on...all day, all night, you'll feel...my heat...feel, feel, feel, feel, feel...feel my heat!
By the way...
… Tottering World, still awesome. Tucker Max ain’t got shit on you, my friend.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Sep 3, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been away.
Work gets in the way. My inability to stay in character/voice/fictitious moods is made more difficult by my job and commitments. Work is good, though, becasue I can pretend to be Nick Saban every day. The bosses love me for it and give me special projects.
Plus, I get to talk like Saban or Mike Westhoff from the Jets (the Special Teams guy) and I can motherF people for eight hours. It’s very fulfilling.
He will rock you...he will roll you...come on, come on, come on...all day, all night, you'll feel...my heat...feel, feel, feel, feel, feel...feel my heat!
he is a POS
along with that headcase, Newton. Nutt is the worst offender, currently, in the whole of the NCAA.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Sep 3, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
It means exactly what it looks like
It’s an old military/coaching term. You motherF a guy who needs it.
He will rock you...he will roll you...come on, come on, come on...all day, all night, you'll feel...my heat...feel, feel, feel, feel, feel...feel my heat!
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