Nothing Good Comes From Auburn's Win...NOTHING!!
by 5026 on Jan 11, 2011 1:02 AM CST
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PrintWell I’ve already heard from some Alabama fans saying "Well, it is not so bad that Auburn won. After all the SEC now has 5 in row." Or, some even saying "It makes the state look good." Let me tell you this is all a bunch of crap. Nothing good will come from this win, nothing.
First. About this SEC stuff. People, we don’t go to the University of the SEC. We don’t get together will all the other SEC schools and pick an all star team to play the Pac 10. We are in the SEC not because we love all these other schools, but just because our school is located near their school...period. That is it! And that is why they started the whole thing. It was not that we all loved each other, it was just out of convenience. But the real truth is having a powerful conference actually hurts our NC hopes. Year in a year out Ohio St has a better shot at the NC than does Bama. Now that Auburn has won it that just makes the conference that much harder to win. It was bad enough when LSU got good, now here comes another good team.
Second. This has got to hurt our life blood- recruiting. Who do we recruit against? Auburn! Well until this year we could tell a kid "Come to Bama and you can win a NC." Now, Auburn can tell them the same thing. And, although I can’t prove it Auburn is paying players and we aren’t. So a kid can get some cash and a ring or just get a ring. You tell me what he is going to chose. By the way, we were way ahead of Auburn in recruiting this year but now I’d expect them to close fast, steal maybe even some more of our commits, and finish with a top 5 class. Just watch. They got the ring and they got the money.
Third. I’m tired of hearing that a strong Auburn will make the Iron Bowl a better game etc. I’m not interested in a good game. My idea of a good game was 2008. I can promise you during their 6 year run they were not hoping we got better so it would be a better game.
Fourth. This does not help the State of Alabama look better. Have you seen the way the Auburn team acts? Frankly, I cut the TV off after the FG because I was literally sick. But, every game this year they are jumping in the stands and running around acting like a bunch of thugs. And, on the field, do we want to be known as the state the knees people in the groin or jerks the other players heads when they are down? If I saw Bama players doing this kind of stuff I would never wear Crimson in public. Auburn makes the State of Alabama look like a bunch of thug/punk hoodlums.
Fifth. Don’t be thinking "Auburn is going to get punished." They are not. You see Auburn has figured out, after being caught several times, that the way to keep from getting caught is to never turn your self in, deny all charges, and pay in cash. Then the only way to get caught is to have one of your players turn you in. So, make it a family, keep everyone happy, and the NCAA can do nothing to you because they will never know you did anything. The NCAA is not the FBI that is going to wire tap, use plants, and strong interrogation. And, by Auburn winning it all this just encourages more cheating, not only by them, but by others. Meanwhile, Saban will not stand for cheating, so we actually end up behind a lot of folks by trying to be clean.
Sixth. Don’ t think, "Well this isn’t so bad because next year they will do like Texas." I’d say that is unlikely. Malzahn is really a factor. Now they are learning to play D. Their back up qb is pretty good and they have a great rb. I suspect Auburn will be ranked top 5 preseason and ahead of Bama. But, even if they fall off a bit next year, this NC does lift their program a great deal. The benefits to their program will be felt for 5 years at least. I would not be surprised if this spring they announce plans to expand their stadium to 100,000. They know that we can hold that over them and now they are feeling their oats they will try it. And, they will increase season ticket sales dramatically. They will even up their enrollment next year...just watch.
Finally, coming the year after our NC this does take away from us a bit. Sure, we still have a 13-2 lead, but they have the most recent one. They can’t take our memories, but if you live with them they are going to be terrible to live with for a long, long, time. Personally, I wish I lived in a foreign country right now.
Alright, to all of you who think this win was somehow good for the Crimson Tide, I’d like you to take a minute and tell me how it is good.
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For the tl;dr group:
People, we don’t go to the University of the SEC.
My idea of a good game was 2008
Auburn makes the State of Alabama look like a bunch of thug/punk hoodlums.
Personally, I wish I lived in a foreign country right now.
I agree with these 4 statements whole-heartedly.
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by HoundstoothHeart on Jan 11, 2011 1:06 AM CST reply actions
Personally, I wish I lived in a foreign country right now.
But when you’re still surrounded by Americans like I am, it doesn’t get any better. I can promise you that I’ll get at least 3 “War Eagles” when I go to the gym this afternoon and one of them might even come from an insane Bama “fan.”
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by SpockJenkins on Jan 11, 2011 5:33 AM CST up reply actions
They must be
- stupid
- beasts ( at least in the gym)
or - both
because if i were them i’d be pretty intimidated by you.
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by HoundstoothHeart on Jan 11, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Can't get away from it anywhere by your example. It is weird how Oregon fans have it so much better than Bama fans...
in this regard even though it was the Ducks who lost. Probably not too many people—smart people that is—up in Oregon walking around yelling “War Damn Eagle”. For those in T-Town, no problems though as the front page of the newspaper suggest (I saw that on TET, nothing about a football game at all, just the usual five O’ clock kind of stuff).
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I'd like to shake your hand sir.
Third. I’m tired of hearing that a strong Auburn will make the Iron Bowl a better game etc. I’m not interested in a good game. My idea of a good game was 2008. I can promise you during their 6 year run they were not hoping we got better so it would be a better game.
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by Nico2.0 on Jan 11, 2011 1:16 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yep. 2008 was good. I am also a fan of 2001.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jan 11, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
On them expanding their stadium
I’ve heard from several AU engineering students that they physically can’t do it because the ground behind the endzones isn’t strong enough. There are problems on the campus with buildings sinking, shifting, doors not closing because the frame has shifted, windows shattering, etc, so I believe them.
God hates AU
"I ain't never been nothin' but a winner"
True
I know the library sinks a certain amount every year. When they build it they actually forgot to account for the weight of the books. I believe they are proud of it. They tell it to every tour group that comes through the story.
Plus how much could coloring books weigh?
by UAinPHOENIX on Jan 11, 2011 2:33 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
It's the crayons that did it.
A few thousand 120 packs was just more than the building could stand.
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jan 11, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
Auburn will not expand the stadium
But it would have little, if any, to do with physical limitations. The issue will be an inability to sell tickets.
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by outsidethesidelines on Jan 11, 2011 1:33 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
after an NC season?
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by billycthulhu on Jan 11, 2011 1:58 AM CST up reply actions
It's
not exactly difficult to get season tickets to AU football. Even in Bama’s down years it’s pretty difficult.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jan 11, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
This is also true
The upper decks, save for big games like UGA and Bama, are rarely even close to full
"I ain't never been nothin' but a winner"
But...I was shocked at how many of them
paid big bucks to go to Ariz. I heard the announcers say the stadium was 70% Auburn. That mea`ns at least 55,000 of them went to Ariz. Any team that can turn out that many folks that far away can fill an 85k stadium when the other team is bringing 6-10k. I think AU attendance will go up. I think the powers at Auburn will try to expand. I thought it was pretty crazy when they started expanding from 30,000 years ago but look at what they have done stadium wise. They are a strange lot but I think this “all in” thing has gottten the fan base energized. Why not go “all in” with expansion?
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
That was for a one time game when their team was undefeated and playing for
perhaps the only national championship in their lifetime. Again: once in a lifetime. That doesn’t mean they can fill an 85k or 100k stadium on a yearly basis.
QUACK QUACK!!
I asked this question over at TET...
How can you not fill your 83k seat stadium, but create a demand for NCG tickets twice the amount of the avg au grads salary and not be a bunch of bandwagoners?
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by thecalicocat on Jan 11, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
true.
they already don’t sell out big home games, have the highest season ticket prices in the SEC (with no wait list), and are currently paying for their new basketball arena. Jordan-Hare isn’t getting any bigger, any time soon.
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by Thomas Walker Esq on Jan 11, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Cows do weigh more than people, I hear.
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jan 11, 2011 8:48 AM CST up reply actions
When the entire substructure of the ground on your campus is made up of
a ten foot thick slab of cow manure, it is not stable enough to do anything but support more cows……
I am one of the people who said:
the SEC now has 5 in row
…and I believe it’s the only thing in the world that makes this auburn win even somewhat ok. The fact that the auburn tigers are the reigning national champions makes me ill. For the record, I wasn’t happy when tennessee, lsu, or florida won it either. All I ever want is for Alabama to win, period. There is a reason that SEC hate is legendary.
Because of this, I do take massive pride in the fact that our team plays in the SEC. Not because I love our SEC brethren, but because we hate each other, we have to run the gauntlet year in and year out, and the whole country knows it’s the toughest conference in the land. When we emerged victorious last year, nobody could ever claim we didn’t deserve to be there, or that we’d only won one “real” game, or that our conference schedule was weak…we got there the hard way, and I defy anybody to say anything different. You can have your pass-happy Pac-10 or your silly Texas-heavy Big 12…we are the eat-nails-for-breakfast defense, three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offense, “make his ass quit” SEC, and I’m damn proud of it.
Roll Tide, y’all. Next season is ours.
by Queen of the Universe on Jan 11, 2011 1:59 AM CST reply actions
Yeah, it doesn't make it OK to me that the 5th one is AU,
but it is good for the SEC to have 5 in a row.
QUACK QUACK!!
Next time I get into a conference superiority debate
I’m probably going with something along the lines of “We won 4 NC’s in a row from ’06 to ’09. When was the last time your conference won an NC?”
Let them enjoy yet another tainted national championship...
You can claim they’re not cheating all you want, but this isn’t Ohio State, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Penn State, or LSU we’re talking about, it’s Aubarn.
I don’t know if you’ve ever visited Auburn, AL or not, but it’s not exactly the cradle of civilization. It’s a backwoods prison that offers no life outside of college other than rodeos, racism, trailer parks, cow pastures, and a parade every now and again. The only nightlife they have is getting drunk at a Wire Road trailer park party, then proceeding to run out and tip cows. Auburn, AL is a boring SEC town, ranking just above Starkville and Oxford. In other words, it’s not exactly the picture-perfect place for a 18-22 year old. What makes this predicament even more suspicious is when kids turn down an opportunity to live in urban cities such as T-Town, Gainesville, Athens, and Baton Rogue, where you actually have a life outside of school.
Also, it’s a second-rate school which makes its football program second-rate as well. You can choose to attend Alabama, a perennial college football powerhouse, coached by a superstar (who’s a household name), or you can play for Alabama’s stepsister, Auburn, coached by a 5-19 loser that half the country doesn’t know exists, yet they know his QB and OC.
People tend to overlook these facts just because they’re our arch rival and they play in the SEC. But their football program should be competing for winning seasons every year, not conference and national titles. Their recruiting classes sure as hell shouldn’t finished ranked in the top 20 every year and that’s a fact.
But instead they do. How and why? Because in order to get anyone to live in that pissant hellhole and play for such a second-rate program, they must compensate them for what they’re missing out on by playing for teams like Alabama, Florida, LSU, Georgia, Ohio State, etc. and living in cities like T-Town, Gainesville, Baton Rogue, Athens, Columbus, etc. And you may say some of the aforementioned towns suck, but they’re heaven on earth compared to Aubarn, AL.
TIMMMMMMAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY!
by SanFranDude12 on Jan 11, 2011 2:04 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
By the way...I would not compare
Auburn Alabama to Oxford MS. Oxford actually has a little class.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Don't
forget rodeos.
It’s a backwoods prison that offers no life outside of college other than rodeos, racism, trailer parks, cow pastures, and a parade every now and again.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jan 11, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
You see Auburn has figured out, after being caught several times, that the way to keep from getting caught is to never turn your self in, deny all charges, and pay in cash.
Just to add a little more:
And tell the students to start up not-for-profit entities that accept anonymous donations so that if they get caught by the NCAA, they can turn around and sue the NCAA for violating privacy laws and revealing anonymous donors.
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I was not rooting for Auburn to win but I would have been pissed if they lossed. Why? Because of the BCS. Public perception is king when you are relying on votes to get you to the big one…and every year the media actively looks for reasons to say the SEC is slipping. A one loss SEC team doesn’t get in to the BCSNCG if our conference isn’t perceived as top-notch…just look at USC in 2008. So, those of you railing against a playoff may want to rethink your position on this, and see if your opinions on the two are actually compatible. Me, I want a playoff as soon as possible so I can stop giving a damn about what happens to Auburn, LSU, etc before and after we play them.
How is the SEC not slipping
when AUBURN goes to the MNC??? We can do better than that, folks.
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jan 11, 2011 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Ok.
I know the prevailing thought is that if Bama had finished 12-1 we would have jumped TCU and played Oregon. My feeling is if we win every game we will be in the game no matter how good or bad the conference because the TV deals we have will give us enough exposure. We are more likely to win every game if the conference is not as strong. I think, because of political correctness, it is going to be hard for a 12-1 team to jump a 12-0 or 13-0 team going forward even if they are from the Big East or ACC.
So, to make the NCG game we either have to go undefeated or hope schools like VT, TCU, etc. lose a game too. Boise is the one wild card that you might jump with a lesser record. So, in my mind if all the SEC is a bit down it ups our chances.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
You are exactly right...
and what I have always told others as well. If we take care of our business, it doesn’t matter what the rest of the conference does.
by yellowhammer on Jan 11, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
I always said the same thing
until 2004. And you can talk all you want about AU’s non-conference schedule that year, but even with one tougher opponent that year they still might not have jumped OU. And you can say that it wouldn’t happen now because the SEC is viewed as being tougher now, but that could change if the conference goes down.
QUACK QUACK!!
Good point
AU started way low in the rankings that year and had to work their way up, OU and USC? had a stranglehold on the top 2 for most of the year. Regardless, AU’s non-conf schedule DID factor in their ranking, and if they played one tougher opponent that year, they may have lost. Oh well, sucked for them.
But I will amend and say that MOST of the time if we win out, we’ll be #1.
by yellowhammer on Jan 11, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
No, if the SEC is down, it opens the possibility
that an undefeated Big 10 and PAC-12 champ that started the season high enough could stay ahead of an undefeated SEC champ.
QUACK QUACK!!
I wouldn't believe that would happen
with any team but a USCe or Auburn, or maybe Miss State.
The nature of the beast that is the SEC is that even in down years (like this one) the mid-range SEC teams still beat the best of the other conferences. That’s not going to change without major tectonic shifts in the college football landscape.
It’s unthinkable that a big name SEC undefeated like Alabama, Florida, or LSU will ever be left out of the title game, and if they were, there would be for a huge reason that even a strong SEC wouldn’t be able to overcome.
Believe what you want, but the likelihood of it happening increases as the strength of the SEC decreases.
It’s a direct (errr, inverse) relationship.
QUACK QUACK!!
I trust that in that extremely unlikely eventuality
the PTB in Tuscaloosa will recognize it and act accordingly, either by proactively scheduling strong OOC opponents, leaving the SEC for the conference that will inherit that reputation, or by going independent (in order of probability). The rest of the conference could fall off the earth for all I care. Alabama will handle its own business.
If auburn had lost, it could happen next year. Stanford gets luck back, Oregon gets James back, and Oklahoma is going to be a beast. If auburn had lost (thus bolstering the image of a weak sec) and Oklahoma and either Oregon/Stanford go undeated, there is a strong possibility an undefeated SEC team gets shut out. Is if hypothetical? Yes. Is it far-fetched? 2004 says no.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 12, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Typing fail. “Is it hypothetical” not “is if”
by Richard Bonds on Jan 12, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
I have no words
for how wrongheaded that whole post is. Thankfully others did.
By the way, “lossed” isn’t the word you’re looking for. HTH, HAND.
Really? Grammar police? You can call it wrong-headed all you want, but that doesn’t change reality.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 11, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
It can't be "grammar police"
if the word doesn’t exist. That’s linguistic reality police, maybe.
So, are you going to defend your “reality” against 5026’s or RoseBowl’s much more well reasoned realities, or just whine about being called out for pisspoor language skills? If not, why not?
Look, I spelled the word wrong, that does not change anything about my point. Your entire argument, based on your replies to carrottop, seems to rest on “Oh, they’d never do that to Bama! Not Bama!” I believe you underestimate the resentment people harbor for the SEC right now. The TV exposure argument by 5026, above, assumes:
a) They are going to watch all the games
b) They vote their true consciences
There is no rule saying they hafta play fair or vote ethically.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 11, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
I'll just restate this here with a little more emphasis
The rest of the conference could go fuck themselves into a Face AIDS epidemic for all I care. Alabama will handle its own business.
When you state that there’s
no rule saying they hafta play fair or vote ethically
you undercut your own argument. If the PTB that make these decisions aren’t going to “play fair or vote ethically”, and their hatred for the SEC predominates, then it doesn’t really matter what happens to the conference, does it?
In fact, Auburn’s winning the fifth title in a row under a cloud of suspicion TAINTS the SEC by association. If you really wanted these amorphous people that hate the SEC to continue voting the SEC champions into BCS title games, the LAST thing you want is for there to be a possible USC-like title vacation. This, more than an SEC loss in the title game, will give any SEC hating voters reason to keep the next SEC champion out of the title game.
And you have yet to explain how, in system based on public opinion, it benefits Bama if the public thinks the SEC sucks.
And don’t get me wrong, I did not cheer for auburn in any way, I mostly sat and cursed loudly everytime those assholes did something to make us look bad. But if you think their dirty play wouldn’t have reflected on the rest of the conference, regardless of the game’s outcome, you are sadly mistaken. Instead, the media would have applauded the fact that the oversized SEC cheaters couldn’t overcome the scrappy, wholesome goodness of the Pac-10, or some such nonsense.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 11, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
I won't defend statements
that I didn’t make. To wit, “it benefits Bama if the public thinks the SEC sucks.” Argue against points made or just admit you’ve lost the argument. Quit making shit up.
If the Ducks had won, the eventual (or probable, or unlikely, depending on your faith in the system to work) vacation of the season’s wins would have been a blip on the media radar years hence. With a boog win, however, it’s an impending media sensation and a perceptual black eye for any associated entities, the most important one for this discussion being the conference.
None of us were cheering for AU last night,
and of course their cheating ways don’t help the image of our conference. But as you are saying, that does hurt us to some degree. Which means that the perception of the SEC does matter. Which means that we should generally want the SEC to be strong.
QUACK QUACK!!
I can't disagree with this.
…we should generally want the SEC to be strong.
But to agree with Dick Bonds, I would have to append “no matter what” to the end of that. We’re talking about perception here. Being perceptually strong is one thing. Being perceived as illegitimately strong is something else entirely.
Who in the world said I wanted the SEC to be seen ad illegitimately strong? Argue points that have actually been made.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 11, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Here you go.
…I would have been pissed if they lossed [sic]. Why? Because of the BCS. Public perception is king when you are relying on votes to get you to the big one…and every year the media actively looks for reasons to say the SEC is slipping.
Or did you also want to stipulate that this season’s success for the booger eaters has been entirely legit and blameless? You can if you want to, and I will apologize for thinking too much of you.
No, what you assume is that I think auburn was the class if the sec and deserved to be playing for the national championship, which I do not. Nor do I think Oregon deserved to be playing for it all, either, and I don’t believe either one would have made it to the end of a 16 game playoff. My point was that, if you are going to support the BCS, you have to pull for your rivals because of the reflection their success or failure has on your team. I hate this.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 11, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Pardon, I meant a 16 TEAM playoff, not 16 game.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 11, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Or weak depending on what you want to get out of it.
If you want to have people think you are good just because you are in the SEC fine. But cosnider this
From 1961-1979, 18 years, we won 6 NC. That is 1 every 3 years. I’d settle for that any day. In those days I would say most in the country saw the SEC as behind the Big 10 and the Pac 8 (now 10) and about tied with the SWC and the Big 8 (maybe behind the Big 8.)
In those 18 years no other SEC school won a NC. The only schools that were even decent were UGA & UT. To be honest UF & LSU were 2nd level schools. Auburn was struggling to have winning seasons and only went to bowls about half the time. The rest were nothing, although Ole Miss had been on run until around 1963.
We were not only the best in the SEC, we were the SEC in most regards.
A return to those days would be just fine with me.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
But I don’t want any such thing. I am against any system where Bama’s reputation is at the mercy of the accomplishments of others, or the perception of the media…this is why I hate the BCS, and feel that it is a broken system that crowns a token champion. Had Oregon won last night, they would have been crowned NC after beating two teams that ended the the regular season in the top 25. I call that bullshit.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 11, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
"But I don’t want any such thing."
OK, I’m calling barner troll here. Maybe I’m wrong and it’s just that he hates the BCS more than he loves Alabama, and it’s his one trick pony, but to say that you don’t want a return to Alabama’s best stretch? Come on…
Give me an email addy, and I’ll send you a picture of me in my Bama shirt right this instant.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 11, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
I was saying I don’t want Bama to be seen as good simply because they are in the sec, not that I don’t want a return to glory. sorry if that wasn’t clear.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 11, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
It wasn't quite clear, thanks for the clarification.
However, if you’ll think a second, you’ll realize that 5026’s point dramatically undermines your premise. Over 18 years Alabama won 6 MNC’s that were TOTALLY up to the voters to award, with the SEC being considerably less of a perceived power than it is now or will ever be in the near future.
I’ll add to his point; a second tier team previously overlooked for the BCS championship game just made it through their SEC and OOC schedule during one of the “downest” years in recent history. They made it into the MNC game. You need to explain why they would get the nod but you think a flagship program like Alabama wouldn’t.
To add to this point, if Alabama had figured out a way to reach the game with this team with only one loss and beat them, the Tide was expected to take a slot in the BCS title game over TWO other teams that were expected to make it to the end of the season unbeaten.
Where is the contrary evidence that shows an undefeated (or even a one loss) Alabama team would be overlooked for a slot in the BCS MNC game due to the SEC having a down year or two? Your opinion is noted, now we need evidence.
They got the nod because there were only two major conference
undefeated teams. This is not the scenario that concerns me.
And Bama MIGHT have jumped TCU even with a loss, but a lot of that has to do with the rep that the SEC has built up over the last 5 years.
QUACK QUACK!!
that is one fearsome beard dude
well done…
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by tempebamafan on Jan 11, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks man! Every once in awhile, I’ll shave it or trim it in to chops just to mess with the wife’s head, but other than that, I’ve been bearded since I was 16-17. The one time I’ve shaved it recently, my toddler wouldn’t act normally around me for a week.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 11, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
OK so it was my second guess.
You have an anti-BCS jones and all of your reasoning is distorted by this prism. You’re letting your beard down; you should really be more philosophical and less ideologically fixated.
You call it distorted because it is in direct conflict with what I think of as your chosen delusion…your anti-playoff jones. While funny, I would counter your philosophical/ideological juxtaposition by asking you to be a little more rational and a bit less dogmatic. Remember, the system that you endorse is the one that CHOSE the assholes in the first place. In a 16 team playoff, I don’t believe this wouldn have happened. Especially not if we got another shot at them.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 12, 2011 5:27 AM CST up reply actions
I have never endorsed the BCS.
I have expressed a preference for the old jumbled up bowls/polls system over both the BCS and any playoff proposals currently in vogue, especially a 16 team monstrosity that would kill everything that is good about Division I college football.
However, what we’re discussing here is whether we should pull for a rival in the conference for the perceived good of the conference.
I reiterate, the rest of the conference can go to hell. The University of Alabama stands on its own merit. It will handle its own business, no matter the post season setup, just as it always has since the 20’s. 5026 and I have both provided evidence and reasoning for our positions. All you’ve provided is that you hate the BCS.
So, you never said that you prefer the BCS to a playoff? Really? You have certainly argued in a manner which would suggest this us how you feel. What exactly would a playoff kill? How? The arguing and endless debate you claim to love has nothing to do with football. Football is what happens on the field, and that is where a championship should be decided, not in dusty backrooms with polls of seriously questionable merit.
You have presented no evidence that either BCS or the bowls/polls system is a better method of determining which team is the best or deserves the crystal football, you have simply expressed a preference. At least with a playoff, the winner will have to face off against the top teams from around the country and win it in the field, instead of judging them on pure speculation.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 12, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Pardon, I hit post before u wad done. That last sentence should have read “instead of pollsters trying to judge teams whose seasons often have little to no overlap or common opponents, and award a national title based on pure speculation.”
by Richard Bonds on Jan 12, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
This debate has already been hashed.
You’re still not saying anything or presenting any evidence to refute the main idea of this thread. Unless and until you do, this discussion cannot proceed.
Actually, no. You have never answered the questions I just posed to you in either of the threads we have participated in about this. You have avoided, and continue to avoid, the issues I just laid out, while ignoring my reasons for believing a playoff is superior. This postseason is among the many reasons a playoff is superior.
I addressed the main issues of this particular fanpost in my initial response above. You and 5026 responded by presenting “evidence” in the form of events that transpired 30-40 years ago in an archaic system that hasn’t been in use in 12 years, while choosing to write off events from recent history (auburn 2004) because they don’t mesh with what you would like to believe…even though they directly pertain to the situation under discussion.
BTW, in case you didn’t notice, you contradicted yourself, and disagreed with 5026’s post about our past championships, when you agreed with Carrottop that we should want the sec to be strong, in general.
You guys keep saying that you’d be fine if it was just Bama and then everyone else. How many of you have talked about the easy-ass schedule USC had over in the Pac-1(+9)? Yeah, I bet a few of you have made comments about that. And what happened to USC in the mid 2000’s when they lost a game? Yeah. Tell me, was the rest of the Pac-10 actually crappy, or was that just public perception? And there is the rub. The fate of our season shouldn’t rest on the perception of others, or depend on the ethics of coaches whose teams directly benefit from making other conferences look weaker. But, right now, the reality is that it does. Would auburn losing in the national championship game actually make our conference any weaker? No, course not. But it would weaken public perception of the conference. And if it came to a three-way tie between Bama, Oklahoma, and Oregon next season, I’m not sure we would still have the juice to get the nod if Auburn lost this year.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 12, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
And remember, if Auburn loses, that makes the SEC 4 and 6 in the bowls this year.
by Richard Bonds on Jan 12, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Hell, it’s worse than that. If Auburn loses, the SEC is 0-2 in BCS bowls, while the Pac-10 is 2-0. Yeah, that COULDN’T hurt Bama…
by Richard Bonds on Jan 12, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
I think it would help Bama.
When the next BCS picking deal comes around and there is a pick between Bama and Arky or AU for the say Sugar (pretend UF is in NCG) and Arkyand AU had lost their last BCS game…well that could help Bama be the pick.
But the real bottom line is if the SEC went 1-9 in the bowls, but we were the 1, it hurts us not. In fact it just might help with recruits.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
That is not the same scenario I layed out above. How does the appearance of a weak SEC help Bama beat out another undefeated automatic qualifier for a spot in the NCG?
by Richard Bonds on Jan 12, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
My head hurts...
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by Crimsoncaller on Jan 13, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
This picture...
is hilarious. The proof-of-life date on it makes the whole thing. Nice.
by Queen of the Universe on Jan 12, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know any Auburn fans (and don't plan on getting to know any)
and I hate them. Their rallying cries; the way they handle themselves off the field; their whiny calls into the Paul Finebaum show (one of my rare connections with the south way out here in Utah); and everything else about them. I feel the same way about UT and LSU.
It’s sickening to know they’ll be celebrating this all offseason.
All I gotta say is...
does Saban looked worried, scared, overwhelmed, pressured, uncertain, etc. Not that I could or can tell! Last night doesn’t change who they are or who we are. They are still little brother that doesn’t know how to act in public. They are going to get some players, win some games, and even win some titles along the way. But, they are not going to steal our life-blood recruiting. They have always sold players on au being “special” and a place you can win championships. They have always talked about championships, liked they had them. One doesn’t change that. With the way we are recruiting nationally and regionally, there will be some in-state kids that go there. Don’t freak out. Calloway is a good example. He is one of our top LB prospects, but probably not even in our top 5 RBs. au gives him that chance, thus the choice. It isn’t the case that all the sudden we are equals. They are selling whatever they can and a championship won’t hurt, but it is definitely not the end of our recruiting dominance or our tradition.
I see this as an opportunity to show them the difficulty it takes in sustaining a tradition of excellence. They won’t be able to do it. Relax. Relate. Release. They are who we know they are and last night, 11.26.10, and this season. This year doesn’t change that a bit!
"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"
"Pep talks... only work when they touch that ember of truth learned the hardest possible way on the field.-Kleph
by thecalicocat on Jan 11, 2011 7:51 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
True.
But what I see is Auburn coming up with a new brand. They are the new Miami. The “swaggar”, the “in your face” mentality, the stupid coach wearing his hat backwards, etc. This does have an appeal to certain gangster kids. And, a lot of those kids can play some football.
Here is the deal. There will always be some thug kids playing ball and all schools will have them…remember Jimmy Johns. And, as long as all schools are pretty clean, disciplined etc, then the thugs will be spread out. But, when one school emerges as the home to thug football then all the best thugs will flock there. This is exactly what happened at Miami in the 80’s and 90’s. And, just because these kids are undisciplined does not mean they can’t be a force.
I definitely believe Auburn could emerge as a real force and not a one year flash in the pan. Cam should be gone, but there are plenty of very talented guys who may now go there. And using steriod will be a part of their deal too.
So, I think them winning does change the dynamic of football in AL and the SEC. And, the change is not good. The world isn’t ending, but the road, which last Jan, seemed so easy and wide open is now a bit steeper, a bit narrower.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
remember Jimmy Johns
they make good sandwiches.
In all seriousness, I see what you’re saying and I hate that you may be right.
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by HoundstoothHeart on Jan 11, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
#8 Billy Club, hold the dijon please.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
But don't forget, they are not just thugs. They are God's thugs.
As someone who takes his faith seriously (and still believes in the concept of blasphemy) it literally made me physically ill to listen to the on-field interviews of Chizik and Newton after the game.
Which is why I cut the TV off.
Today at lunch I heard about their “God talk” last night. I do take faith very seriously. When Chizik said AU beat Clemson because it was God’s will (or something to that effect) I knew then that I really did not trust him. to me he is using God to futher his own career/football team.
In his worst days Bobby Bowden did not approach this blasphemy, and Tebow (although was not and I am not a fan) never was like Cam when Cam said he could not be stopped because God had made him powerful.
To me they are a good advertisment agaisnt serious faith.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
by 5026 on Jan 11, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
To me they are a good advertisment agaisnt serious faith.
You get a rec for this. I am not a stereotypical Christian, nor do I support a lot of what is said from behind pulpits these days, but I do have a faith and tend to keep it private. The fact Cam & Co. are using such a subject matter to justify their winning season is distasteful on every level.
What I’ve been saying all season and what I repeated last night: their football voo-doo god is not real. Their outright disregard for rules and regulations, however, is.
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by HoundstoothHeart on Jan 11, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
I had appreciated your opinion up to this point, but this comment....just, no
it’s so full of conspiratorial paranoia that it belongs on Bleacher Report. 5026, you’re better than this one.
"Fortune, as they call her, is a drunken and capricious woman and, worse still, blind; and so she doesn’t see what she’s doing, and doesn’t know whom she is casting down or raising up." - Gary Crowton to Les Miles
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jan 11, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
So you think Auburn is not trying
to be the new Miami? Well I hope you are right because I totally dislike Miami. I’m going to hate Auburn no matter what, but I sure don’t want them to emerge as “the place” for gangstas and thugs.
By the way, OTS thinks this will all quickly fade and I really hope he is right. I just feel it may not fade fast enough.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
i dont know about them making a concious choice to be the new miami
but they clearly are. they are a school where players get paid, rules dont apply, and on feild thuggery is encouraged by the coaching staff.
i’m not worried about it though. those kind of antics wound up costing miami in the long run and they surely will cost auburn as well.
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by tempebamafan on Jan 11, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think it has been their
plan from the beginning of the Chizik era. The limo deal to me was a tip off. Auburn coaches want to be seen as the pimp daddys and the players as gangsters. Chizik, caught up in the craziness throws a few God references in for good measure. Malzahn may be the only sane one and to me he seems to be functioning as acting head coach.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Remember this? Who thought the Tiger Prowl would really work? But, they found a target and they have hit it.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
your blanket statements about a ridiculous stereotype are getting out of hand.
they’re borderline-racist and inhumanly ignorant. According to your “logic,”
Backwards hats + towel waving + limo recruiting tour + dirty line play + racist stereotypes = conscious effort to create negative publicity?
"Fortune, as they call her, is a drunken and capricious woman and, worse still, blind; and so she doesn’t see what she’s doing, and doesn’t know whom she is casting down or raising up." - Gary Crowton to Les Miles
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jan 11, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
They don't consider it negative.
And there isn’t anything racist about this. I’m just saying Auburn is trying to appeal to kids in a different way than Alabama is trying to apepal to kids. I can not in my wildest imagination see Nick Saban having all his coaches riding around the state in big limo on the “Elephant Prowl.” Actually “Elephant Prowl” doesn’t even sound good but to some “Tiger Prowl” does send a certain message. And on the limop this one wasn’t even pimp enough they went to hummer limo latter.
It is their approach and it is most evident in their teams behavior in games and at the stadium. If Fairley had played for Bama I hope and pray that the very first time he got a penalty for a personal foul he would have come out of the game. And the second time I hope for the rest of that game and some of the next. But their guys dothis stuff and their is no attempt to discipline them. The most classic example was Fairley and Tropper Taylor on the field arguing during the UGA game.
Yes, you can think me a conspriacy theorists but I do think a lot of this is planned. And, planned or not it is working. Recruiting against a national power, with a no name coach, with poor facilities, and a bootleg campus town, and little past glory they have done remarkably well and have stolen folks away from Bama, MSU, LSU etc.
But maybe you are right. Maybe it is just coincidence.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
if you don't see how
equating “backwards hats and limo rides” to some grand malevolent scheme is nuts, then I can’t help you. Most people see coincidence, you use dated ethnic stereotypes to draw extraneous conclusions with nefarious intent. I’m not absolving them of their play on the field; it was quite dirty at times throughout the entire season. But to think that Trooper Taylor has made a concerted effort to recruit “thugs and criminals” (said in my best Dale Peterson voice) in order to create, in your words,
the home to thug football, then you are extremely out of touch with what most of us refer to as reality.
"Fortune, as they call her, is a drunken and capricious woman and, worse still, blind; and so she doesn’t see what she’s doing, and doesn’t know whom she is casting down or raising up." - Gary Crowton to Les Miles
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jan 12, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
It is not one hat or one limo
it is the whole culture/atmopshere they are creating. And I would say creating a culture is what college football programs do. And, who knows if it is planned or accidental. But if this team doesn’t remind you of the old Miami teams then as you would say I can’t help you.
And I work with students and we have a program and we try to create a certain atmosphere and the things we do, wear, etc. are planned to create that atmosphere.
And I would suggest that in most settings where you are trying to mold a lot different people from a lot of different places and a lot skill sets into one unit, one team, very little happens in those settings by accident. A classic example is military boot camp. The whole thing is planned out to create the desired atomsphere and culture. Same is true of a football team.
And I just think, yes these are just my thoughts, that Auburn is trying to become the new Miami realizing that to compete against Alabama you have to be the opposite of Alabama. And, yes I do think they have a plan of sorts. And, yes I do think it has helped their recruiting as they have found there are many kids who like that culture. In other words some kids really do want to be gangsters and at Auburn they are finding a home. A place where you can knee people in the groin or twist peoples heads and pretty much get away with it.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
to compete against Alabama you have to be the opposite of Alabama
But this is where the family comes in. Saban approaches it as a business and runs it like an organization. They say family and do goofy off-field things to try and foster some pseudo-chemistry. They don’t even market themselves like Miami did. When did you ever hear JJ, Schnellenberger, or Erickson talk about God or his players do so after a game?
"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"
"Pep talks... only work when they touch that ember of truth learned the hardest possible way on the field.-Kleph
by thecalicocat on Jan 13, 2011 6:29 AM CST up reply actions
I'll give that.
They have put a new twist on the Miami brand- God.
And you are right- Saban’s approach has been like a company, an organization, a machine. Personally I think it is a pretty good way to run things. Over the long haul the results will be very consistant.
But Auburn’s approach is also dangerous because I think by throwing God, family, and whatever else cute thing they can into their brand they can justify cheating and buying players, etc. I think they can even justify dirty play if it is for the greater good- the advancement of Auburn. And the concept of family is not far from the concept of gang. I still think they are definitely trying to become the home of thug football.
It also like they have become “Gangstas for God” and somehow it has worked to a degree.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
for the most part, they recruit the same damn kids we do
so how are we not “tyring to become the home to thug football?”
"Fortune, as they call her, is a drunken and capricious woman and, worse still, blind; and so she doesn’t see what she’s doing, and doesn’t know whom she is casting down or raising up." - Gary Crowton to Les Miles
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jan 13, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
I agree that this is an irrational concept
but I have often wondered if kids who crave discipline gravitate toward Saban while kids who prefer to be coddled and get away with shit go elsewhere.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
that's a nice explanation.
makes a lot more sense than using words like “gangsta” and thug to paint one broad ignorant picture.
"Fortune, as they call her, is a drunken and capricious woman and, worse still, blind; and so she doesn’t see what she’s doing, and doesn’t know whom she is casting down or raising up." - Gary Crowton to Les Miles
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jan 13, 2011 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
I do think there's either a culture of discipline
or their isn’t. Some of the Barn’s behavior this year would suggest the latter. Doesn’t mean there’s a goal in place to be thuggish.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Damn autocorrect.
Using the wrong version of “there” is one of my pet peeves.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I wouldn't say "gangsta"...
…to describe any of the boogs, but I’ve got no problem with anyone referring to Nick Fairley or Lee Ziemba as thugs….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 13, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
What would you call
Ray Lewis?
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
a hall of fame linebacker
that made the country forget he killed a man.
"Fortune, as they call her, is a drunken and capricious woman and, worse still, blind; and so she doesn’t see what she’s doing, and doesn’t know whom she is casting down or raising up." - Gary Crowton to Les Miles
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jan 13, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
What I mean was
woukd you say he is:
A. A thug
B. A gangsta
C. A criminal
D. All of the above
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
E. None of the above
Reasoning: Not A, I wouldn’t call him a thug, b/c I don’t think that’s conducive to his style of play, I’ve already established that I don’t use “gangsta”, so no B, and he wasn’t convicted, so no C, thereby making D irrelevant.
"Fortune, as they call her, is a drunken and capricious woman and, worse still, blind; and so she doesn’t see what she’s doing, and doesn’t know whom she is casting down or raising up." - Gary Crowton to Les Miles
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jan 13, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I should have listed
E. All American Boy.
By the way, not all criminals get convicted, but they are still law breakers.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I would call Ray Lewis...
…‘sir.’
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 13, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
This sounds alot like UGA under Richt...
a pious man that offers the wayward a home. In the end what has it gotten him and the dawgs? If this is going to be the new au “brand” then good. Ultimately, it served both Miami and UGA poorly in the long run. And finally, we will still have equal to better talent combined with discipline and character. These traits in a tough game will win out more than not.
"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"
"Pep talks... only work when they touch that ember of truth learned the hardest possible way on the field.-Kleph
by thecalicocat on Jan 11, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Also...
there are numerous differences between au and Miami that I won’t take the time to inumerate here. But, au reminds me more of the “brand” of okie st. than Miami.
"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"
"Pep talks... only work when they touch that ember of truth learned the hardest possible way on the field.-Kleph
by thecalicocat on Jan 11, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Thayer Evans reports that Cecil was there last night
they just keep dissing the NCAA. They embarrass me be cause of their thug football players. Eric smith, Nick Fairly suck. I saw several facemasks that were not called. I guess they were the highest bidder.
Bama's Pluck and Grit have Writ Her Name in Crimson Flame
Cam said that Cecil was part of the group flying out to Arizona,
but that he didn’t know if Cecil had come to the game. Yeah right.
QUACK QUACK!!
well
as a lot of you know I am married to a barner and I have learned the best way to deal with one of them is to ignore them. I don’t talk football with them and when they try I just change the subject. I know it pisses my father-in-law off and I take comfort in that. My wife on the other hand I have to live with so I pretend to listen, think about other things and look at her with a blank stare when she talks football. That pisses her off without me having to say anything. Of course I go without for long periods of time but its worth it to me.
This +a million
That’s the best way to handle it. Get to the point in which you don’t say anything.
When they say, “WAR EAGLE!” you should just look at them and not say anything. That’s how I handle similar situations (I don’t live in ‘Bama so I really don’t come across Auburn folks).
If they persist, say, “So what? Who cares?”
This works for me regardless of the obnoxious fans I’m around, regardless of the region. There’s no defense for it and it makes them feel stupid for trying to be obnoxious about something as silly as a game. If they keep trying, you just do your best to show them you’re not bothered and eventually they’ll stop because they’ll feel like an idiot. It’s like if you went to talk about a movie or book to someone repeatedly and they showed no interest. At some point you’d feel really lame for being stuck on the topic.
I also tell myself that it’s just entertainment.
"Open your mouth again and I'll nail it shut." Henriques, COMMANDO (1985).
I also bet a lot of money on Auburn last night
figuring I’d have something to enjoy with either result.
"Open your mouth again and I'll nail it shut." Henriques, COMMANDO (1985).
straight up, or against the spread?
I hope for your sake you got them at -2 and not -3 or even -3.5.
Good advice.
And it is entertainment…to a point. But, it is also about pride in your school, team, etc. I always tell myself that I am proud of what Alabama does no matter what others do. And, if they harass me so what.
But you can’t talk with them because they are actually proud of the way their players play dirty, and proud that they recruited a good player even if they know and agree they paid him. They really are proud they are able to steal players that way, etc. And, that can make you very upset. And the only way to even the score, or shut them up, is to beat them. But when they win it is all bad.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Welcome back, BTW.
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by SpockJenkins on Jan 11, 2011 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry I missed everyone last night,
I was stuck in the wilds of Mexico. I did not get to see a single play, and I didn’t get a score update until 1:30 left in the game. Really I have no idea how the game played out, but I agree with you 5026, anything that’s good for the barn, is bad for Bama.
I look forward to reading all the open threads today in some spare time.
"Always remember there was nothing worth sharing, like the love that let us share our name" TAB
I didn't tune in until the last couple of minutes.
Those last couple of minutes gave me an exhibition of football seriously lacking in fundamental football. TCU may have been physically inferior to Wisconsin in the middle of the trenches, but their guys are much stronger tacklers than most of the players from Oregon and probably Auburn.
"We do not and cannot accept the principle that incompetence justifies dismissal. That is victimization."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 11, 2011 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
It gets pretty entertaining.
Especially when the Cactus was activated.
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by SpockJenkins on Jan 11, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
also the part where...
I asked you what you were wearing.
by Queen of the Universe on Jan 11, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Is that when we got the eye roll?
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by SpockJenkins on Jan 11, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
hey... I did see mention of
Spock “inverting” you or something similar, so I was close with my predictions.
"Always remember there was nothing worth sharing, like the love that let us share our name" TAB
yep...
you were close…and we really did talk about what he was wearing. We just used better dialogue, and we learned that Tuesdays = blue draws.
by Queen of the Universe on Jan 12, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Of course I was paraphrasing
you guys use very colorful and creative language
"Always remember there was nothing worth sharing, like the love that let us share our name" TAB
The cactus was magic.
I think with enough cactus, they would’ve halted that game and said “We’ve discussed it and all concurred that Alabama is the true national champion this year. All hail the cactus!”
QUACK QUACK!!
Best line of the night:
If Chip Kelly knew we had a cactus, he’d try an onside kick.
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by SpockJenkins on Jan 11, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
dude, I'm in the middle of the Sonora desert
and that thread had more cactus than this place. I did laugh my ass off though. I feel like I missed a familiy reunion or soemthing last night.
"Always remember there was nothing worth sharing, like the love that let us share our name" TAB
I was in full-on, all caps, yelling mode.
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by SpockJenkins on Jan 12, 2011 2:24 AM CST up reply actions
So which team was the cartels' money on?
"Don't let the bastards get you down." - Nick Faldo to Greg Norman at the conclusion of the 1996 Masters.
they had Auburn and the points.
They are pissed.
"Always remember there was nothing worth sharing, like the love that let us share our name" TAB
booger eaters
i hate all of then with every bit of my soul,always have and always will.the things i wish upon that vile ,pile of pig shit they call a school i cannnot write here, the NSA would be hear before i got it posted.anyway roll tide roll and fuck alabama polytech!!!
by ALABAMA POLYTECH SUCKS on Jan 11, 2011 10:19 AM CST reply actions
Persequor Persequi Persecutus
Karma is a bitch. The pendulum will swing. You can only tempt fate and win for so long.
RMFTR! GO JAGS!
I do think that it's good for us if the SEC is strong,
but other than that I agree with everything you wrote. Especially the fact that this can only hurt our recruiting.
Also, perhaps as much as the recruiting and having to listen to barners mouth off, the fact that they have tainted our championship by association makes me as sick as anything:
Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley is the SEC in microcosm. He’s fast, strong, dominant. He can outmuscle a lineman, split a double-team and outrun a quarterback. Between the snap and the whistle, he usually is a joy to watch. But Fairley also grabs facemasks and hits late. His greatness, like the SEC’s, has a dark side that occasionally overshadows the excellence
/puke
QUACK QUACK!!
by CarrotTop4 on Jan 11, 2011 12:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This times a million
It’s what I told my well-meaning mother last night when she was trying to find a silver lining by saying that at least the title stayed in state and in conference. I replied that I would rather have the streak end and not have the previous titles (especially Alabama’s) mentioned in the same breath.
well,
andy staples is a friggin moron. fairley represents himself and HIS school, not teams like Bama, Florida, Georgia, Tennesee, or LSU.
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take this job and shove it - Johnny Paycheck
by tempebamafan on Jan 11, 2011 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying he's right.
I’m just saying the perception is out there, and it makes me sick.
QUACK QUACK!!
You know, I could’ve rooted for Auburn if I thought their program was beyond reproach (i.e. a Vanderbilt), but seeing AU celebrate last night was like seeing the smile on O.J.’s face when he was found “not guilty” in October 1995.
The thought of Auburn playing for a BCS championship makes me want to throw up.
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by Black ice in Alabama on Jan 11, 2011 12:58 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
If the glove don't fit you must aquit...
if the player don’t know you have to let him in the show!
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
by 5026 on Jan 11, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They remind me
of Virginia Tech with Michael Vick. A solid program led to great places by a special QB. Lets see if that happens again anytime soon.
I suspect Auburn will be ranked top 5 preseason and ahead of Bama.
Simply isn’t going to happen. There is no way in hell the writers and coaches vote a team in the top 5 that is replacing 4 starting offensive linemen, including the 2 deep at both guard positions, graduates 24 seniors, and plays an SEC schedule.
"Fortune, as they call her, is a drunken and capricious woman and, worse still, blind; and so she doesn’t see what she’s doing, and doesn’t know whom she is casting down or raising up." - Gary Crowton to Les Miles
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jan 11, 2011 1:43 PM CST reply actions
We replaced 9 defensive starters
and our strength was defense and we were #1. I think AP voters look at last year and then start em that way to a large degree.
We were #1 based on Ingram, well they have Dyer.
We will see.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
We were #1 based
on getting almost everybody back on offense.
Auburn doesn’t just lose the starting 4 on the OL.
They lose 7 of their top 11 tacklers on the year (not including Fairley)
Going into the BCS game-all of their INTs were by seniors
They lose 3 of their top 5 receivers (not including Darvin Adams).
Dyer isn’t Ingram. They won’t Cameron Newton, which was their margin of victory for the whole season.
I hope they are ranked in the top 5, because they will be a 5-7 team next year.
I hope they lose all 12 games.
But of their 3 toughest games next year (LSU, Bama, and yes Miss. St) two of them are home.
Obviously if Cam goes pro they will miss him a lot. But this time last year who knew who Cam Newton was? And, who knows what future semi-pro prospect they are currently about to steal away from UGA, Bama, LSU, or MSU. I’d say nothing is safe until signing day. They are still “all-in” with buying players and money does talk.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
As amazing as Newton has been,
they would not have won the NC without an almost all senior OL that has been playing together for years. Next year’s semi-pros won’t have that.
QUACK QUACK!!
Well one preseason ranking had them
like #17. And maybe the AP folks will be smart enough to see that too because I don’t want them ranked high at the start. I just remember in 2000 when we were lucky as can be in 1999 and really were not that good and we had lost Alexander and Samuels and yet we were still preseason #3 which was absolutely crazy. And then we didn’t even have a winning season. But the preseason ranking was all about the previous year.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
If I can't hit you with logic with my right, then I'll just have to bring ration with my left.q
Look at the teams in the big bowl that won. Most of them are returning playmakers and talent around them. Auburn won’t be a top 5 b/c every writer knows that Oklahoma, FSU, Bama, LSU, TAMU, and Stanford return more talent. No one outside of the Mongtomery Advertiser will have Auburn ranked above any of those teams.
"Fortune, as they call her, is a drunken and capricious woman and, worse still, blind; and so she doesn’t see what she’s doing, and doesn’t know whom she is casting down or raising up." - Gary Crowton to Les Miles
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jan 12, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
I hope you are right on this one.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Even if we're wrong, and they somehow rank AU high,
that’s fine by me as long as they crash and burn once the season starts. It would be that much funnier to see. All I’m really arguing is that they won’t be very good next year. I don’t care what the pre-season rankings say.
If Bama never wins another national championship, the Barn will match our total in the year 2593. Please God, don't let me have a Futurama incident.
The Orlando Sentinel
already put out a 2011 preseason projection (why, I can’t fathom). They have us 3rd and the Barn 24th. Granted, that and a dollar will net you a McDouble, but it might offer a little insight into the general perception.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Andy Staples of SI.com
just released his list
Bama at 4, Boogs at 14, with the caveat that if Newton returns, he’ll have them in the top 5, but he didn’t even mention their line issues.
"Fortune, as they call her, is a drunken and capricious woman and, worse still, blind; and so she doesn’t see what she’s doing, and doesn’t know whom she is casting down or raising up." - Gary Crowton to Les Miles
by Thomas Walker Esq on Jan 12, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
It's all silly.
Kinda need to see what happens on NSD and who leaves for the NFL before making any predictions. For example, if we somehow nabbed Clowney then I’d guess that would push us closer to the top.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
There are very few true freshman that can come in and
make an impact on where a team is ranked pre-season. So NSD isn’t that big of a deal. But you do have to make assumptions about juniors going into the draft.
If Bama never wins another national championship, the Barn will match our total in the year 2593. Please God, don't let me have a Futurama incident.
i prefer the quarter pound double stack
myself…
In an industrial society which confuses work and productivity, the necessity of producing has always been an enemy of the desire to create. - Raoul Vaneigem
take this job and shove it - Johnny Paycheck
by tempebamafan on Jan 12, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
That's extra.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Auburn dirtiest team i have seen a while.
The kick is up it is in the air...its got distance...its good, its good, its good, its good, Van Tiffin has won the ball game...Alabama has beaten Auburn. Van Tiffin has kicked 52 yard field goal and the STATE of Alabama is CRIMSON!!
Rivaling only the Italian and Argentine National Teams (futbol).
Trust me. That’s saying A LOT.
Charles Martel, Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, Raymond IV the Count of Toulouse, Godfrey of Bouillon, Baldwin of Boulogne, Henry II, Richard the Lionheart, St. Joan of Arc and Napoleon Bonaparte -- all of good stock.
by TiderUpNorth on Jan 11, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Mark Schlabach espn's early ncaa rankings.I'll just list the top 5.
Take it for what’s its worth.:
1.Oklahoma
2.Alabama
3.Oregon
4.LSU
5.Boise St.
BTW the Barn is 17th.Thus the Cam Newton effect is dead and gone.
RBR resident Dogcaller.
Well Cam hasn't declared yet
so I for one will not be counting my chickens until he does or Jan. 16th rolls around.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Yes, he has.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 13, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Had it right the first time.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I rec'd it for this
First. About this SEC stuff. People, we don’t go to the University of the SEC. We don’t get together will all the other SEC schools and pick an all star team to play the Pac 10. We are in the SEC not because we love all these other schools, but just because our school is located near their school…period. That is it! And that is why they started the whole thing. It was not that we all loved each other, it was just out of convenience.
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