New York Times: Missouri to SEC "Inevitable and Imminent"
Nothing official just yet, but per the latest from the Grey Lady it certainly seems like we've reached the effective brink of Missouri joining the SEC. Per the New York Times:
The person said that Missouri’s decision to apply for membership to the SEC was “inevitable and imminent,” although a specific timeframe has yet to be set. Missouri’s Board of Curators will meet on Thursday and Friday at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, where the process of withdrawing from the Big 12 and applying to the SEC is expected to begin. Expansion is not listed on the agenda, but there is an private session scheduled Thursday afternoon and Friday morning.
After Missouri applies, the person said that it expected “no problems” with gathering enough votes among SEC presidents for the university to become a member.
The Tigers have been swaying in the breeze the past few weeks, and while I suppose it's possible this could all fall through, it is seemingly picking up the aura of inevitability that came with Texas A&M in late August. Timetables could be a crapshoot, but you have to imagine this would probably come to fruition in the next several weeks and in plenty of time in advance of the 2012 football season where a 14-team SEC could make its debut.
It's been clear for some time now that Missouri was the number one target of the SEC for the fourteenth team, but even so this leaves a major question mark for the conference as a whole moving forward. If Missouri joins the SEC East like many have suggested then there will be no major realignment within the existing ranks, but if they are added to the SEC West an existing member of the West will make the transition over to the East.
For Alabama, this could be a very big development either way. We staunchly opposed Missouri earlier because it would have necessitated Auburn's move to the SEC East, which would have served the dual purpose of likely ending Alabama's traditional rivalry with Tennessee and strengthening the Auburn program as a whole through weaker competition and a better foothold into the key recruiting territories of Florida and Georgia.
For the sake of pure self-interest we wisely balked at such a move, but regardless of our objection it certainly seems like Mizzou is on its way to the SEC and either Missouri will be placed in the East or the rest of the SEC said to hell with 'Bama and the Third Saturday in October, misnomer and all, probably just died. I'm sure we'll have further reports on this in the near future, and we'll address them accordingly here at RBR.
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No No No
(Unless sanity prevails and we just stick them in the East)
"A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation." - Mark Twain
by Stu from Tuscaloosa on Oct 17, 2011 7:46 PM CDT reply actions
This
I’ve been hoping this would happen because of the ridiculousness a 13-team SEC represents. The fact is that 13 teams is just not tenable beyond one year and Mizzou is the best option at this point. Stick ‘em in the East, let them play Arkansas, Kentucky, and Vandy every year and they’ll be happy.
I have a feeling that missou will be eastbound
I just can’t see the sec saying to hell with the rivalry that helped build this conference. No way they piss off Alabama and Tennessee like this
To quote Lewis Grizzard:
Dammit, dammit to hell.
The only thing this year that’s made me sicker than Mizzou to the SEC was when the Atlanta Thrashers picked up and moved to Canada…
"I want winners!"--Mike Singletary, 2008
by Black ice in Alabama on Oct 17, 2011 7:53 PM CDT reply actions
This reminds me of the AOL - Time Warner merger.
And the motivation is basically the same. It will probably work out equally as well.
Bama and Barn to the East? Could it happen? Would preserve IB and 3rdSIO and balance the divisions more
equitably. Also it would make more geographical sense given the new footprint of the SEC. Maybe this is already been discussed so sorry if I am rehashing old news.
Never truss a big butt and a smile.
That wouldn't be that bad
But playing Vandy and Kentucky every year makes me want to hit the snooze button.
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by Stu from Tuscaloosa on Oct 17, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Playing Vandy and Kentucky every year...
…is hitting the snooze button…just ask UF, UT, and UGA….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 17, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
You'd have to move an East team West then.
Moving two teams east would make it six in the West and eight in the East. Vandy could slide West, but overall, that’d be a horrible idea as you’d have amost all of your traditional and new powers in the east:
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Tennessee
The West would be a wasteland: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, LSU, Vandy, Missouri, Texas A&M. It’d be LSU’s for the taking nearly every year.
i could actually see a
complete shake up of divisions with the SEC completely doing away with the “east/ west” and just dividing the teams up. at this point trying to divide the teams geographically seems pointless.
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I'd go with...
…Inner and Outer Circle, with our division (the Inner Circle) consisting of MSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, Auburn, Vandy, UT, and UGA.
I’m totally messing with you guys.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I like
Bama, Mizzou, Ole Miss, Missy St., Vandy, Kentucky, and SCar as a division.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I love that as a division.
Go sell it to the SEC, JT….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
And then college football would begin to die...
why don’t we go ahead and add the playoff system and kill it completely. Then I can find other stuff to do on fall Saturdays…
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Here...
…maybe this will help you….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 20, 2011 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't misunderstand me
I know that YOU were probably kidding, but I have read the comments of several folks on here that want the easiest schedule they can find and if we add teams to the SEC, then make them cupcakes. I disagree, but, as usual, I’m in the minority. Soooo, aTm is okay with me since they are generally a pretty decent/dissent/descent team and provide a challenge ‘most’ years. Missouri, on the other hand, is not as competitive over time. Yes, they seem to be pretty good over the past 5 years and maybe they can keep it up, but I don’t hold out a lot of hope in that regard. My two cents….
I am old school when it comes to football. IMO, football is a man’s sport, and if you can’t handle the competition, then go play soccer or basketball or prison-rules knitting or something…
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It is...
…mostly a man’s sport, although a lot of our players haven’t reached 21 yet, and there are occasionally women who make teams as kickers.
I understand where you’re coming from, but if we play 14 games against the LSWhos and OUs of the world, even our manliest men face greater odds of injury and fatigue than if the schedule has at least some kind of balance between those teams and the Ole Misses and Vanderbilts. We don’t want to be Conference USA, but we don’t want to face NFL squads every week, either.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 20, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I’m just saying that we already have plenty of cupcakes to snack on without adding more. 3-ish games a year that are ‘definite’ wins is plenty in a 12 game regular season.
I think adding aTm with say VT in the east is good for football. Adding Mizzou is sort of blah… Still better than WVU or Duke or something though.
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No, no - sounds cool.
We could be like the B1g (as if that’s not gay enough.)
We could have the Jupiter and Pluto Divisions. Or the Continent and State divisions. I mean, leaders and legends made it – why not?
"We run this state, we run this stadium. Now let's go out there and run their ass in the ground"
Fat lady ain't sung yet...
Personally, I don’t understand why this took so long, unless Slive was hoping for some sort of TX, OU, OSU trifecta to go with A&M.
This is bound to cause some more shake-ups in other conferences.
Maybe now the SEC can add 2 more from the east to at least balance the conference geographically.
We all know that we (along with the other major BCS conferences) are going to 16 or more teams eventually anyway.
The Mount USA Association done cleared the way for what was originally just idle speculation.
"No, man, journalism. It was easier." - Joe Namath, after a reporter asked if he majored in basket weaving at Alabama.
Mizzou engenders hate for no reason.
I have very little reason to be as opposed to this move as I am, but I think it would be a disaster.
Audemus jura nostra defendere
Every day we make it, we'll make it the best we can.
I am suddenly much more excited about this move....
Well Mr. Carpetbagger…we got something in this territory, called the Missouri boatride.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 17, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
And Mark Twain.
That should count for something.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
Indeed
"A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation." - Mark Twain
by Stu from Tuscaloosa on Oct 17, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Technically...
…it counts for two marks.
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 17, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
At least, that's what Mr. Clemens said....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 17, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
If they do move Auburn to the East
I at least hope they will make Tennessee or Auburn our first rotation. At least that would give them 2 years to balance it back out with two more East teams and move Auburn back and restore a bit of normalcy.
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by Skarth on Oct 17, 2011 8:16 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
as great as this rivalry has been
we can’t end it with a likely 4 TD massacre.
#Protect3SIO
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 17, 2011 8:16 PM CDT reply actions
It ain't 3SIO when it's played on 4SIO...
…just like the Alabama/Auburn game ain’t the Iron Bowl if it’s not played in Birmingham….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 17, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
It aint anything if the SEC kills it
in the name of bringing in Mizzou
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by GeauxCrimson on Oct 17, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
True dat.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 17, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Finally.
Someone mentions the reason it was the Iron Bowl. The Team from West Alabama meets the clowns from west Georgia in Birmingham = Iron Bowl.
Othwerwise, it’s just another home-away series for a traditional powerhouse against someone trying to make a name for themselves.
"We run this state, we run this stadium. Now let's go out there and run their ass in the ground"
stop it...
Sure thats why the name was given to the game but it still the NAME of the game. Where it is currently played is irrelevant.
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The name of the game...
…is the Alabama-Auburn game. There is no Iron Bowl…unless UAB plays in it….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, you could roll this at some pins I guess...

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Or this...

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's hot.
"Auburn people are stinky"- my 3 yr.old daughter
by You can call me Al on Oct 18, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
You are correct sir.
The nick name Iron Bowl was all about a nuetral field, a split stadium, in Birmingham. That died when Auburn refused to play in B’Ham anymore.
The old split stadium games were aweseome experiences. These days it is just a big home or away game.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
doesn't take away from the fact that for 50 some odd years the game was
called the IRON BOWL. I know the venue changed but the spirit and the game still stands.
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Agree to disagree dude.
It’s meaningless.
"We run this state, we run this stadium. Now let's go out there and run their ass in the ground"
I disagree...
…or does that mean I agree?
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
You heard it here first
BCS conferences will move to a nine game conference schedule. This will allow Auburn to move east while bringing back the TSIO in a couple of years. It will take a national coalition from the BCS to make it happen, but it will happen once the Big 12 fallout gets rectified. The 12 Pac already does it, and the B1G won’t have a problem with it either. Plus, it will add another game to networks which will allow schools to make more money.
The BCS can't control the regular season schedule rotation of the conferences
Plus I’m pretty sure just about every coach everywhere would oppose the 9-game conference schedule.
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by billycthulhu on Oct 17, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
/scratches balls
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
/scratches rashes
/don’tjudge
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 20, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Boo I say!
If we do invite them to the SEC, I’ll have to pull this out whenever they start bragging about SEC speed….

Fumbles. It was always Fumbles
I still
think that a North/South can be done….though the South will be loaded.
North: Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, and Georgia
South: Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Florida, and Auburn…
though then I guess Georgia loses a rival….dammit.
Or we could just say screw geography
And get a “Legends” and “Leaders” division of our own to preserve the main rivalries.
Those division names are so cool OMGZ LET’S DO IT 2!!!
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by Skarth on Oct 17, 2011 8:54 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Still haven't found a good way
to preserve Bama-Barn, Bama-UT, UGA-Barn, and UGA-Florida. At least not without putting all five teams in one division. Not happening. Bama-Florida have earned the right to “headline” divisions.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
or just throwing Mizzou in the East
which is by far the simplest option, and does less damage to geography than it appears at first blush
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 17, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not
but it’s a haul from Columbia to Columbia.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
not much more than the haul from Columbia to College Station
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
lets see
Dominance Division
Alabama
Tennessee
UF
USCe
TAMU
Vandy
Mizzu
Tradition Division
LSU
Auburn
UGA
Miss St
Ole Miss
UK
Akry
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by bammer on Oct 18, 2011 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There again,
you’re putting Bama and Florida in the same division after they’ve met in 37% of the SECCGs.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
since when are we trying to
keep a supposed UF/Bama SECCG rivalry? To me thats secondary to the IB or TSIO
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Not the point.
You also want to keep competitive balance. Bama and Florida have clearly established themselves as consistently superior programs based on appearances in that game. Not right to put them in the same division; that creates this year’s Bama-LSU situation on a regular basis. I’d rather play the odds that the two best teams meet in the SECCG as often as possible.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
you can't base divisional splits on who
is currently good or bad. Any team can go on a three, five or even 10 year run and then turn to ghosts for 10 years…Even Bama (sigh).
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Agree
but this is 20 years of data. Florida has been in that game more than half the time, and Bama 37% of the time.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Ole Miss, Kentucky, and Vandy...
…have a 100% non-appearance rate….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe i don't understand your point...
i could care less how many times UF has been in the SEC CG. If we went with the split i threw out there..You still get a great yearly match up with Bama and UF…the IB and TSIO are kept. It seems as if every team keeps their traditional rivalry games. We could still play LSU on a regular basis in the SECCG and the divisions are split competitively..
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My point is
that having Bama and Florida in the same division means that there is a lesser chance of the top two teams meeting in the championship game. The Big 12 did this with Texas and Oklahoma, and look at the results. The South won the CG 73% of the time, including one that finished 70-3 and another 42-3. Cheapens the game imo.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
but with LSU, Auburn and Arky in the other division
you have three pretty solid programs there. Yes i know i said you can’t base divisions off current records but its not like UF is dominating right now. Alabama and LSU would be the better matchup.
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The fact that Florida has been in over half of the SECCGs
means there is a lack of competitive balance in that division, which hurts your argument.
Not really.
You don’t put the top two teams in the same bracket of the NCAA hoops tourney, right? Most years, Bama and Florida have been the two best teams.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I see your point, and I agree, but...
there is at least a little bit of a Heisenberg thing going on here: The fact that UA and UF were in separate divisions has allowed them each to go to the CG frequently. If say, LSU had been in the East (geographically does not make sense, but just hypothetically), then UF might not have been to the CG as much, and LSU might have gone more.
In other words, the results you’re looking at are somewhat biased towards assuming that the dominant teams in the two current divisions are the two dominant programs overall. Or ummm, something lik that.
God bless our Dark Lord.
I guess.
I think most folks would consider Bama and Florida to be the class of the SEC over that period though.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Florida has still been there all along
and Bama/Florida was the matchup in two of the last three.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
i think the possibility of a LSU/Bama
matchup would be pretty epic. Plus it gives some great divisional games. Not that I think the SEC is reading RBR and will take my suggestion…but just to be careful Im copywriting that bitch.
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Tadpole is correct.
The SEC will not put Bama and Fla in the same division unless we have Okie in the West. The two biggest powers should and will be on opposite sides.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
fine..ill tell you how i came up with that split...
I put LSU and Bama in separate divisions cause they are the best in the SEC right now and look to be that way for a while. I put UT in the division with Bama to keep the TSIO and Auburn in the other as our cross division rival to keep the IB.
I then put UF and Auburn in separate divisions for the sake of balance. Same for Arky, UGA and USCe. I put TAMU and Mizzu in the same division so they could have a yearly rivalry game.
Ole Miss and State were also put in the same division to keep the egg bowl. Vandy and UK were separated to..well I guess separate the suck.
So that’s my explanation. I think there is some solid thinking behind that.
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As if the balance of power weren't already bad...
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by GeauxCrimson on Oct 17, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Missouri is not in the South
Keep ‘em out. I don’t want to end up with some cheesy accommodating conference name because we have teams that aren’t in the Southeast. Texas A&M barely sneaks in the gates. Missouri shouldn’t be allowed to approach the gates. Welcome to the new “America’s Conference.”
They're below the Mason-Dixon line...
…and I’ve heard KU fans obnoxiously refer to Mizzou folks as a bunch of slave-owning scum. Sounds eerily familiar to me….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 17, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That's just what I thought when I heard it....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Aren't you?
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Aren’t you?
Wait, what? Bammer is secretly Obama?! Everything makes sense now.
God bless our Dark Lord.
Didn't you see...
…O Bammer, Where Art Thou?
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 20, 2011 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Great...
now we’ll all have a reason for that road trip to Columbia, MO about which we’ve all been dreaming.
by TiderInTN on Oct 17, 2011 9:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
But it's only hours from...
…everything….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 17, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you ever been to Missouri?
Stop this madness. It’s worse than a pap smear and root canal simultaneously.
Since it's still not too late...
…please allow me one last appeal…we can have this again!

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 17, 2011 9:21 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think we will ever
let someone back in that jumped ship. Including that stinking Sewanee bunch.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I'm not saying what we will do...
…I’m just saying what we should do….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 17, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
NO!
We freakin’ own the state of Georgia in recruiting right now. We’re not going to validate a school in the heart of the ATL and risk that.
Plus, screw Bobby Dodd.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Most of the good recruits in Georgia
ain’t in Atlanta.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
this...
most the good HS teams are in South Georgia or NE. See Buford, Lawrenceville and Grayson.
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Yeah, Gwinnett has stepped up the last several years
but it still ain’t Warner Robins, Griffin, or Valdosta.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
yep..
i use to go to a ton of HS football games when i lived in Lawrenceville. very competitive and entertaining.
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Oh, in that case...
…let’s help establish a strong program in Atlanta…they’ll never want to go there if they’re from South Georgia….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
They actually wouldn't on the whole.
GT is not a great atmosphere for football in any way, shape, or form. The stadium sucks, the fan base is small and horribly apathetic, and the girls are not the same as other southern schools.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Exactly!
So, why would we do anything that might change any of those factors?
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 20, 2011 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Coming to the SEC
wouldn’t change any of that imo. Shitty place for football.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
But I don't care to have them either.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I just threw up in my mouth
As a former Midwesterner, please don’t let this happen. Take Beau. Take someone other than Missouri. My inlaws live there. Please.
I am for Mizzou.
Put them in the West. Move AU to the East. Get AU off our premanent schedule.
Hey, if Texas can drop A&M, we can drop AU. If you think about it long enough you will see that we gain nothing by playing AU every year. They gain everything even when we pound them they still get headlines for being pounded. Besides maybe getting them off the schedule can restore some santity to the state as in no more Updikes.
But, boys and girls, this is the new wave of college football. 4 super conferences. A defacto playoff system. And everything will be determined by TV. Bama v. AU draws big ratings in Bama and some surrounding states but so would Bama v. A&M because it would play big in Texas.
And by the way, the 4, 16 team conferences could very well jump from the NCAA and rule the world. We can make our own rules that are more in tune with big money football. When we get 4 biggies we won’t need the NCAA one bit.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
You had me...
…in the beginning, despite the bad spelling. But that middle paragraph made me pause, and that last one sounds like science fiction. Appealing, but unbelievable.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 17, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok
1. Auburn is our biggest rival
2. Not playing them every year is unthinkable to most of the state, including the legislature
3. Auburn is a relevant team, see 2010 :(
4. Rivalries need to continue as they are one of the last surviving relics of a time when money and obscene scrutiny hadn’t yet poisoned the well of college football, making it yet another victim of the modern age. There is a lot of humanity in the old ones and they need to be preserved at almost all costs.
"A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation." - Mark Twain
by Stu from Tuscaloosa on Oct 17, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mentioning...
…last year’s Auburn team while talking of a time when money had not yet poisoned the well of college football does not help you make your point….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 17, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
and REC'd
"If wanting to win is a fault, as some of my critics seem to insist, then I plead guilty. I like to win. I know no other way. It's in my blood." -- Paul "Bear" Bryant
by GeauxCrimson on Oct 17, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure I follow...
"A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation." - Mark Twain
by Stu from Tuscaloosa on Oct 17, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Follow the money, dawg....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Denied. Resubmit in 30 days with revisions.
1. Not so much.
2. Most API fans, yes. To us, it’s like playing Utah every year.
3. See 2011.
4. They do, so let’s talk about some. Old Rose Bowl matchups? I’m with ya. Traditional powers like PSU, Michigan, USCw? Sign me up. Standards like Tennessee? Sure. Teams that everyone from outside of bordering states ask you “why are they your rival, aren’t they in South Carolina?” aren’t “rivals.”
Rice thinks they’re Texas’ rival, too.
"We run this state, we run this stadium. Now let's go out there and run their ass in the ground"
This just sounds like you're trolling an Auburn blog
to make them angry. There’s not a lot of sober truth in what you just wrote.
"A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation." - Mark Twain
by Stu from Tuscaloosa on Oct 18, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Name one thing
Alabama benefits by playing them every year. Seriously. It puts them on the map – well, that, and buying people. They hit the road last year to play for a national title and people in Arizona are asking them what state they’re from.
Outside of the toolbag fans one might have the displeasure of working with, the game doesn’t really mean anything. Last year was on in a million that would have made a difference, had the good guys won, on the national stage. Otherwise, this year for example, it holds no more meaning than beating Ole Miss.
"We run this state, we run this stadium. Now let's go out there and run their ass in the ground"
They won't ever part ways with the NCAA
because the NCAA provides the perfect smoke screen for everyone to skirt federal labor laws.
by BamaThrasher on Oct 17, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
And not to pay taxes on a billion dollar industry.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
ding ding ding
free slave labor and no taxes to boot. Hell of a business model. Meyer Lansky would be impressed
by BamaThrasher on Oct 17, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
The new "league" or whatever it would be called
could apply for that as well. The tax break is based almost exclusively on the fact that the players are assumed to be amateurs.
Some may argue that it would be harder to get Uncle Sam to grant that status now. However, when you consider the PROFITS (remember that businesses are not taxed off of total income but rather how much they profit), Uncle Sam wouldn’t really stand to make much money off of college football. The vast majority of athletic departments lose money in any given year, only a select few actually turn a profit.
Additionally, no politician is going to tank their career messing with our football. You can tax us, you can spy on us, you can ignore the Constitution – don’t mess with your sports.
"If wanting to win is a fault, as some of my critics seem to insist, then I plead guilty. I like to win. I know no other way. It's in my blood." -- Paul "Bear" Bryant
by GeauxCrimson on Oct 17, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
how many labor attorneys are praying for such a stupid idea to take a foothold?
Lets see, billions in revenue. check
perceived (real or otherwise) exploitation check
A case that would never stand up against anti trust laws. check
This is an avenue that will never be pursued.
by BamaThrasher on Oct 17, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You seem to forget that the football revenue
is used in part to fund the non-revenue sports. In fact, only eight schools claim a profit of $10MM or more from athletics.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Last year's Alabama-Auburn game
Was the top-rated television game nationally. It’s not just interesting to denizens of the state of Alabama.
"You play fast! You play strong! You go out there and dominate the man you're playing against, and you make his ass quit! That's our trademark! That's our M.O.... as a team! That's what people know us as!" - Coach Nick Saban before the 2008 LSU game.
by 12NationalChampionships on Oct 18, 2011 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions
That was also the #1 ranked team against the most talented team.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Only because of the score at halftime.
By that point, everyone in the nation was convinced of OJ’s…I mean, auburn’s guilt and wanted to see them go down.
"We run this state, we run this stadium. Now let's go out there and run their ass in the ground"
Yes. The ratings were based on Cam hate as much as anything.
The football world was pulling for his downfall.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I’m not for Mizzou at all, but I think 5026 is right.
I support dropping our annual game with AU. We have everything to lose and nothing to gain by beating them.
And I certainly see the future as 4 16 team conferences that have a playoff system and leave the rest of the NCAA D1 FBS teams in the dust. In fact, I think the CUSA and MW merger is way off the mark. By the time that deal goes through the BCS may not even exist in its current form. College football has grown into a monster and is much larger than college academics. At UA we are running a pro team on our campus. From the view point of the faculty here anyway. Something must give and leaving the NCAA to allow for a semi-pro division is quite possible.
We live in the city of dreams, we drive on the highway of fire, should we awake and find it gone, remember this our favorite town
Mizzou is not the SE.
They have Jesuit colleges and hot links and that crappy pony express that ran for about 9 months & we still bore our childrens about it. No no no. What’s so great about the St. Louis tv market? Slive should be forced to live in east saint Lou for a week- sober his ass up
"I'm champagne and you're shit." - Jon Lovitz in Happiness
by sho' I stole on Oct 17, 2011 9:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Dude...
…Alabama has a Jesuit college. So does Louisiana. They’re great schools.
Now the hot links….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 17, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I know. Met some annoying Billickins?
Once and when thinking about derogatory things to say about Mizz, best thing I could come up with omitting their oddly lumpy women
"I'm champagne and you're shit." - Jon Lovitz in Happiness
by sho' I stole on Oct 17, 2011 10:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If you think they're oddly lumpy...
…drive over to Kansas….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
This is worse than a 13 team SEC
Mizzou doesn’t belong, they will be a bust and screw up the SEC. I think A&M was a bad move. You already have the best conference in America year in and year out why screw it up. I personally do not believe either team really makes the SEC better, but especially not Mizzou. I think it will be a bust because I don’t Mizzou fans travel that well and the T.V. market is already covered. SEC games are on everywhere. No advantage (at least in football) for the SEC.
Baptman
Travel is over for many SEC schools
anyway due to the economy. Arky sent back loads of tickets this year and they have a good fan base. I don’t think Vandy ahd 100 people at BDS.
It is about TV. It is always about TV. Actually it is always about money and TV brings the money.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Does anyone honestly believe MIzzou is worth the trouble?
They are not worth giving up UT or the Barn on our schedule. They will be another Ole Miss / Miss St team and a So.Carolina on a good year.
Baptman
Is aTm committed to the West?
Just a thought… is Texas A&M committed to the SEC West? If Mizzou can go to the East, why couldn’t Texas A&M and have Missouri in the West. Either way it doesn’t make geographical sense, but Texas A&M could play Arky for their permanent West team.
I like this.
Put aTm in the east and lock in 2 games – LSU and Arky – with just one rotation. Probably better than doing something similar like I suggest below with Mizzou.
how does A&M in the West make more sense than Missouri in the West?
Missouri is actually less than eight hours from a pair of East schools. A&M has only one East trip under 15 hours (Vandy, at 12.5).
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 17, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't do the calcs
and apparently my geography is off if it is better for Mizzou to be in the east.
Well if you want NFL AIDS
Dallas is in the NFC East…. so go figure.
Hell for about a billion years it seemed like, Atlanta was in the NL West.
by Durdens Wrath on Oct 18, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone know what the hell he's talking about?
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you illiterate?
I was pointing out instances where teams were in divisions that are not geographically sound.
I’m sorry they didn’t teach reading comprehension.
by Durdens Wrath on Oct 18, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
RAGE
Audemus jura nostra defendere
Every day we make it, we'll make it the best we can.
by animalcracker on Oct 18, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
RAEG
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
NLS got a taste of....
Durdens Wrath.
"Auburn people are stinky"- my 3 yr.old daughter
by You can call me Al on Oct 18, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, if that sumbitch would just learn to read...
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Boy, that escalated quickly…
…I mean, that really got out of hand fast.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 20, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
No...
I think he was making a joke about you talking about the NFL and Major League Baseball in an Alabama blog, where most of the posters do not seem to care or follow either sport.
Humor, like puppies, is cutest when undisected, but you left me little choice.
Thirteen.
The Falcons and Saints were in the West before realignment.
They were the Rams’ and Niners’ bitches.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Doesn't change the facts of the post
That stranger alignments have been made in sports.
by Durdens Wrath on Oct 19, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Now where did I leave that facepalm gif....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 20, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah NLS u r ileturate,
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
My mind is a terrible thing to waste...
…as I’ve proved over and over again throughout my life….
And my reader-typist’s name is Frank.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 20, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Mizzou to the East
Simple solution for all involved. Add one twist, give them 2 permanent matchups for now – aTm and Arky. Only one rotation game. This gives them Arky, aTm, Vandy, and Kentucky all within reasonable distance and could start with UM next year to keep them as close as possible for the rotation game. This gives time for +2 more teams for the east in the future and then moving Mizzou back to the west. Yes they still have a long haul for UGA, UF, USC, and UT but even then they will take a plane and their fans probably don’t travel that well to begin with.
by Bama_95 on Oct 17, 2011 10:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The only way
I could deal with those dumb-asses being in the SEC…
if A&M is reasonable driving distance for Missouri
so are Arkansas, Vandy, Kentucky, Tennessee, Ole Miss, MSU, Bama, Auburn, LSU, and Georgia. The only trips that would be longer than A&M are South Carolina (by just an hour) and Florida.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 17, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said aTm is reasonable "driving" distance,
but reasonable compared to what they do now with the Big 12 since they already play them every year now that there is only 10 teams. Seemed to make sense to keep that game going. In looking closer, MSU would be a closer game if they didn’t want to keep the aTm game going. In any case, putting Mizzou in the east seems to make the most sense. They already have a horrible travel schedule in the Big 12 and it doesn’t appear that much worse in the SEC (except USC and UF)
apologies for adding the extra word
the point still stands though. If Missouri and A&M are a reasonable distance apart, Missouri is a reasonable distance from everybody in the conference.
Also, Missouri and A&M have played each other every year since 2011. Which isn’t that long.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think there is any arguing on this point...
every year since 2011. Which isn’t that long.
Attempting to remove humor from posts since August 30, 2011
The only way I could've dealt with Mizzou in the SEC
is if Oklahoma and Okie State had been teams 14 and 15, respectively, AND the ACC put up a Berlin Wall of an exit fee around $25 million or more.
I still say we should try harder for UNC and UMD-College Park.
"I want winners!"--Mike Singletary, 2008
by Black ice in Alabama on Oct 17, 2011 10:58 PM CDT reply actions
I personally
wouldn’t mind VT and UMD. That way, we at least keep all of our teams bordering one another in some fashion… Plus, we could have all the schools Bear coached in one conference and hear about it any time any two of them play each other…
I don't think UNC
ever happens. Tied to Duke and NCSU which we don’t want. UMD is interesting for the DC market share. I think VT is the best fit for the SEC, but not much of a tv market gain.
Everybody keeps bringing up the $25 million the ACC teams have to pay to leave...
Everything I’ve read says that Mizzou will have to pay between $20-25 million to leave in 2012 too. What’s the difference?
"You play fast! You play strong! You go out there and dominate the man you're playing against, and you make his ass quit! That's our trademark! That's our M.O.... as a team! That's what people know us as!" - Coach Nick Saban before the 2008 LSU game.
by 12NationalChampionships on Oct 18, 2011 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't care for this choice either.
Somebody needs to get their head out of their ass and get GT or someone else east of Bama. This just sounds like a bad decision made in too much of a hurry. Let the Big 10 take them during the next round of expansions. I thought we were the innovators but this move proves otherwise.
GT prefers to stay with the other nerds.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Hell, no on GT...
…never again for them….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Frankly, I could care less about geography.
I havent attended a Bama game in ages. For those of you who travel (and thank you for supporting the team) Mizz is an awful choice.
But I look at things differently, I think. It matters not one bit to me which team or teams we add, as long as those teams are not competitive. I want teams that we can and will thrash year in and year out. Period. To hell with some kind of uber-difficult division of the SEC containing a host of good/potentially good teams.
Add Tulane. Add Eastern Michigan. We need cupcakes, not titans.
Proud mini-Saban.
I almost rec'd this...
…’til I saw Eastern Michigan in there. Revise, edit, resubmit.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2011 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Mizzou will be a good fit.
They will go to the East and that will be that. Their program will stiffen up and be more competitive than the MS schools, at least. Eventually they will be a great mid-level SEC team that will challenge every now and then.
by AfricaMike on Oct 18, 2011 7:15 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Just watched CNS Monday press conference.
Everyone should check it out.
First, CNS said that this teams needs to focus on deatils – the little things – to get better. Wow. That sounds a lot different than previous years. Coach is telling us we have a special team (IMO).
Secondly, CNS goes off at the dumbshit “reporters” telling them “I dont give a shit about that stuff” in reference to TR being in the Heisman race and Mizzou joining the SEC. I love Coach when he gets testy with those clowns.
Proud mini-Saban.
I agree
Everyone should watch yesterday’s interview, starting around the 6:30 mark (about a minute or so before he goes off on them).
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. ~General George S. Patton~
Saban interview was good and he makes
a great point. Here we are mid season with our biggest rival and we are losing focus.
If I were a UF fan I’d like the distraction. If I were Muschamp I’d bring it up every chance I get.
But for us it is not a great thing at this time.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I'm assuming this is /jasands and you're asking for a link to the Saban interview?
If so, here’s the link….
http://video.tuscaloosanews.com/video/
Scroll down and you can watch all his interviews (player interviews as well).
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. ~General George S. Patton~
Split Non-geographically
Division A: Bama, Auburn, LSU, UGA, Kentucky, Miss St, Missou
Division B: Arky, A&M, UT, Florida, Vandy, Ole Miss, USCe
Cross Division games:
Bama – UT
LSU – Arky
UGA – Florida
Kentucky – Vandy
Miss St – Ole Miss
A&M – Missou
Auburn – USCe
The only “rivalry” game that is lost is LSU v Florida. And that game was a rivalry that was manufactured 20 years ago anyway.
That's not too bad
as long as Florida would sign off on an annual trip to either Fayetteville or College Station.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
the only important rivalry game
you took away the only football game poor Kentucky cares about
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't flatter yourself.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
obviously you've never talked to a Kentucky fan about football
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
No
but I once talked to a fella from Kentucky. He told me I had a purty mouth. I never really knew how to take that.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
haha
on a more serious note, when trying to determine what it would be like for Kentucky to lose the Tennessee rivalry in football, I just imagine what it would be like for Tennessee to lose the Kentucky rivalry in basketball. From that, it’s not much of a leap to “absolutely out of the question.”
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
You play everybody in basketball.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
don't play everybody home and home
there’s not an exact parallel, but it’s enough to get the idea.
I hate my rivals, so I want them to lose their big games, but I do want them to keep playing their big games.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
One game a year instead of two
would probably intensify a rivalry.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
that I doubt
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The Auburnite would never stand for losing their game against Georgia...
not that I care about his feelings, but there it is.
Thirteen.
Auburn plays Georgia in that model
although South Carolina doesn’t, and I do believe that takes away their biggest SEC rival.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 19, 2011 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Add Clemson...problem solved.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 20, 2011 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
You forgot the p.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

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