Missouri opens door to leave Big XII
by Matt Dover on Oct 4, 2011 9:51 PM CDT
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PrintThe University of Missouri's Curators (equivalent to a Board of Trustees or a Board of Regents) met this afternoon and gave the green light for Missouri Chancellor Brady Deaton to "explore conference realignment options". If that wasn't telling enough, Deaton announced his resignation as the Chair of the Big XII's Board of Directors soon after the meeting.
That's all we know for sure at this point, but it is apparent that Missouri is taking serious steps towards leaving the Big XII. This has obvious implications for the SEC, as it is highly doubtful--and that's putting it mildly--that Missouri would be taking steps this bold without knowing they had a sure offer from a major conference elsewhere. That has all eyes, and most of the speculation, pointing toward the SEC. After all, it was reported a few weeks back by several outlets that the SEC was prepared to offer Missouri a position as its 14th team.
Nothing is certain at this point. It is still not certain that Missouri will leave the Big XII, though today's meeting certainly seems to be pushing them that direction. If they do leave, it is still not certain they will have a spot in the SEC, but again, given the previous reports of an offer and their willingness to leave the Big XII in the first place, you'd have to think that's where they're heading if they leave, unless the B1G has unexpectedly changed their minds about letting the Tigers in.
Again, nothing certain here, but Missouri to the SEC is coming ever closer to becoming reality. Such a move would obviously have huge implications for Alabama and the SEC for the long term future, but not only that, it could also directly impact the Tide's schedule as early as next year. If Missouri is to leave and come to the SEC, it will almost certainly be for next season, and their presence, like that of Texas A&M, would shape the divisional alignment and scheduling format for the SEC in 2012.
If anything becomes official, we'll provide additional updates, but for now it appears that the door has been left open for the SEC to pick up its 14th team in time for 2012.
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I've been saying this everywhere, and I hope y'all are onboard
Missouri to the East! #Protect3SIO
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 4, 2011 10:00 PM CDT reply actions
Well, Missouri is east of . . .
. . . Hawaii and southeast of Montana so it belongs in the East division of the SEC.
I also support some name-changing
but Missouri actually borders two East states (TN, KY) and only one West state (AR).
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 5, 2011 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Alabama borders three East states (TN, FL, GA) and only One West state (MS).
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by animalcracker on Oct 5, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
but moving Alabama to the East won't allow retention of traditional rivalries
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Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 5, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
although, after I did some google maps research
there’s nothing geographically crazy other than the name. Provided you let them have Arkansas as a cross-division rival, their two closest East opponents (Vandy, Kentucky) would both be closer than their closest West rotational opponent (Ole Miss). Missouri to Georgia is comparable to Missouri to Auburn, and Missouri to South Carolina is comparable to Missouri to Texas A&M. Florida is the only real killer trip on the docket. Tennessee, Vandy, and Kentucky are all border battles. And putting them in the East is the only way to get them yearly games against the three geographically closest schools.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 5, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
It's so far north, it might as well be east.
"Those are just facts and facts are just opinions and opinions can be wrong"
-Veronica, Better Off Ted
by Zoltar on Oct 4, 2011 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Auburn to the east and the 3SIO being kept is the only play, IMO.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Make its ass quit -TWEsq to me concerning my fight against Multiple Sclerosis
by AlabamaJammer on Oct 5, 2011 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions
lose the Iron Bowl? do you really think that'll happen?
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 5, 2011 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions
If it comes to druthers, I would hope so.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Make its ass quit -TWEsq to me concerning my fight against Multiple Sclerosis
by AlabamaJammer on Oct 5, 2011 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions
seconded, but I find it unlikely
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 5, 2011 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I think this gets done by our bye week.
This has been Slive’s plan from the get go. Missouri would be foolish to turn this down. How long will the PAC12 adding Oklahoma and Texas holdout?
"unless the B1G has unexpectedly changed their minds about letting the Tigers in."
Please, please, please let this be the case!
I don't know why Missouri
would hitch their cart to the B1G over the SEC. The B1G has the sex appeal of a school bus fire, and while their network deal would initially pay them more, I think everyone knows that it won’t last.
by BamaThrasher on Oct 4, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t think they’ll go to the B1!G either if they have the option to join the SEC. I’m only hoping. I don’t like the move especially, but understand it’s all about new tv markets and what comes along with that.
Speaking for 'some' Missouri fans.
There’s a good percentage of us that don’t want any part of the B1G, and while we understand it might upset the applecart a bit coming here, are looking forward to the SEC.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
I like the move and would/will certainly welcome you to the SEC.
…and it would be a drastically shorter drive for me to see an Alabama game.
Hell no
Don’t want or need another shitty border state
"I'm champagne and you're shit." - Jon Lovitz in Happiness
by sho' I stole on Oct 4, 2011 10:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
I am with you
but the suits are looking at this purely from a money standpoint, and this gives them st. louis and Kansas city. That’s big money, and they won’t turn it away.
by BamaThrasher on Oct 4, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
The SEC is expanding to 14 teams and this is the best we can do? No F$U, no VaTech, No Clemson? Just two mediocre programs, with the last one bringing in one market (St. Louis) that couldn’t care less about college sports and the other one (KCMO) is more interested in the Jayhawks?
Dammit; dammit to hell.
"I want winners!"--Mike Singletary, 2008
by Black ice in Alabama on Oct 4, 2011 10:48 PM CDT reply actions
the word is
an agreement in place states that basically we won’t admit a school in a state where we already have one. So that by default eliminates FSU and Clemson. Plus, while you and I care about cultural fits, the suits don’t give a damn about it. All they care about are greenbacks, and the tv market that Missouri and A&M gives us adds anywhere from 15-20 million people. Neither Florida State or Clemson gives us any more market than we already have. Virginia Tech and N.C. State on the other hand, would be big gets from the strict business standpoint. I am guessing again on TV but would estimate that those two teams and their markets would be 10 to 15 million people.
by BamaThrasher on Oct 4, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I purposely left out the state of NC (which I would love to see in the SEC) because:
1. NC State hasn’t been anything since Jim Valvano was coach, and then A.D.,
2. UNC has to bring Dook along with it,
3. Wake is just too damn small; it would be like admitting Rice.
"I want winners!"--Mike Singletary, 2008
by Black ice in Alabama on Oct 4, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
that is why if you want North Carolina
the only option is NC State
by BamaThrasher on Oct 4, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
That will never happen.
NC and Duke won’t separate from each other.
"So I want everybody to think here for a second, how much does this game mean to you? 'Cause if it means something to you, you can't stand still. You understand? You play fast! You play strong! You go out there and dominate the man you're playing against, and you make his ass quit! That's our trademark! That's our M.O.... as a team! That's what people know us as!" - Coach Nick Saban before the 2008 LSU game.
by 12NationalChampionships on Oct 5, 2011 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he meant North Carolina the state.
Maybe if we add enough AAU schools (up to 4 now, if Mizzou is added) then Duke and UNC will agree to join in the next wave. The state of North Carolina just make so much more sense in the SOUTHEASTERN Conference than Missouri does. (Culturally and from a travel distance/cost perspective.)
God bless our Dark Lord.
Ah yes, I can see that now.
"So I want everybody to think here for a second, how much does this game mean to you? 'Cause if it means something to you, you can't stand still. You understand? You play fast! You play strong! You go out there and dominate the man you're playing against, and you make his ass quit! That's our trademark! That's our M.O.... as a team! That's what people know us as!" - Coach Nick Saban before the 2008 LSU game.
by 12NationalChampionships on Oct 5, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Missouri my first choice? No. I've simply resigned myself to a 14th school being added.
BTW, Dover’s argument on adding UNC and Duke was an excellent, lucid proposal. So, why wouldn’t UNC go to the SEC without Duke? Is some one going to argue that with all the non-conference games in college hoops, those two couldn’t possibly find any way in the universe to schedule a home-and-away series EVERY season?
Sorry, I’m not buying it. For whatever reason, that conference is untouchable for the time being and UNC doesn’t want to jump ship.
Yeah, I don't get it.
Doesn’t Kentucky b’ball play Louisville every season? And lately they’ve been playing Duke every season too, right?
God bless our Dark Lord.
Expansion
From a competition stand point, of FSU, Va Tech & Clemson. Only FSU makes sense, good in Football, good in Basketball, good in Baseball. The other 2 aren’t good at either really clemson has good teams every once & a while in either sport.
From a media footprint stand point, only Va Tech brings anything to the table with the Washington DC market.
Missouri on the other hand brings a Good Football program, a perennial sweet 16 NCAA tournament Basketball team, and 2 Big media markets where we don’t have a footprint, St. Louis & Kansas City.
The long and short of it, Missouri is the best choice from all aspects, Competition in major sports, & media footprint.
From a competition stand point, we don't really need to add more top tier programs.
We need to add mid-tier programs that won’t hurt our SOS too bad when we pound them every year.
God bless our Dark Lord.
Disagree
More is better.
If competition is so bad, why has the SEC won 5 straight BCS titles? The process of the SEC totally swamping interest in other conferences has already begun. Let’s accelerate it.
After all, once we get to the point where “SEC=college football,” . . . well, riddle me as to which team has won 26 SEC championships?
Your argument works if you're main concern is having your conference win the national title.
But that’s not my main concern. My main concern is having Alabama win the title. Honestly, under our current system, your clearest path to that is to be a huge fish in a mid-size pond. I believe we would’ve still won the ‘09 NC without the SEC. And I also think we would’ve had a better shot at the ‘08 and ’10 NC if the SEC weren’t as strong.
God bless our Dark Lord.
You have bad info RE: Kansas City.
The article doesn’t exist any longer, but the KC Star did a survey showing over 40% of the KC market was very interested in college football. Since KU doesn’t have a football team (as evidenced by Georgia Tech), I feel confident in stating Mizzou controls 50% – 75% of that market.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
As somebody who was in Kansas City this past weekend,
Missouri has a large presence, especially in KCMO. If you’re in the western suburbs you might support Kansas, but the larger, Missouri part of the city is a solid Mizzou base.
Missouri
1) Missouri’s largest city is named after Kansas.
2) Missouri’s most famous writer was born in a town called Florida.
3) Missouri’s most famous playwright is named after Tennessee.
4) The only U.S. President to call Missouri home is also the last President to have not earned a bachelor’s degree.
5) Fort Leonard Wood
6) Missouri’s state seal has three (3!) bears on it.
7) St. Louis has faced a decline in population in every census since 1960.
8) St. Louis borders Illinois.
9) Kansas City has never heard of “dry rub.”
10) The best thing about St. Louis was sold to the Dutch in 2008.
11) Missouri’s unofficial nickname (the Show-Me State) is both ambiguous and uninspiring.
12) Missouri’s state animal is a mule, an animal that has no hope of passing on a legacy.
13) Missouri makes Arkansas seem Southern.
Audemus jura nostra defendere
Every day we make it, we'll make it the best we can.
That's the Rebel black bear.
Missouri will have the Union black bear.
God bless our Dark Lord.
by CarrotTop4 on Oct 5, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
# 11 is also vaguely creepy.
How is Arkansas not a Southern state? The accents are thick enough to cut with a knife, and people can still own and raise chickens inside cities, such as they exist.
As for Missouri, know your history. As much as I don’t want them in the SEC and would prefer VA Tech, they have a legitimate claim to being a Southern state. Besides, I hear their barbecue and dry-aged steaks are to die for, and that alone would be enough to mollify me. They would certainly climb to the top of the tastiest road games list. As long as the traditional rivalries are protected, I’m not opposed.
by NewAnachronism on Oct 5, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Personally I'm in favor of a little show-and-tell
…though maybe I should check on the talent of their co-eds before I say that.
God bless our Dark Lord.
I'm glad your mind works in less frightening ways.
I also second that emotion. You were thinking Anne Bancroft. You really don’t want to know what I was thinking. For that matter, neither do I.
by NewAnachronism on Oct 5, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Au contraire
Missouri’s only claims to the South are 19th century pro-slavery politics (but, then again, half the state felt differently) and rural farming. TRUTH: You can find racists and rednecks in every state in the union.
Arkansas is a great example of the difference between southern and Southern.
If you like KC barbecue, there is no hope for you.
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by animalcracker on Oct 5, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Never been to either Memphis or Missouri.
All I know is they look good, and I’ve used KC Masterpiece barbecue sauce for most of my life. As for Southern, I’m the third generation from Mobile (northern Mississippi before then), and I can trace ancestors to Virginia as far back as 1616, but that date is probably after my first American-born European ancestor. I’ve had family in what is now considered the South since at least 1799 in South Carolina. I think I’m a Southerner. :)
by NewAnachronism on Oct 5, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Never questioned you being Southern,
although your use of KC Masterpiece is troubling.
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by animalcracker on Oct 5, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
KC bbq
It’s OK as a changeup, and to dip your fries in. After all, just because Alabama bbq is waaaaaaaaaaaay superior doesn’t mean you want to eat it 3 meals a day x 365. I’ve got nothing in the world vs kcbbq, it’s much better than brussel sprouts.
F***
i dont understand the logic of adding them. i mean, we’re the SOUTH eastern conference…not the damn midwest/central conference. surely the SEC can draw in a more fitting team (geographically and skill/program wise). i feel like with the new additions we might even lose the conference name soon. missouri (in my opinion) has no real great history, is so-so year in and year out, doesnt fit the mold of an SEC type team, and i bet their women are ugly.
we need to keep this shit 100.
IDGAF about how they might strengthen the conference basketball wise, and other random little things they might bring. i take pride in supporting our conference made up of southern teams…aka the best damn states in the country.
roll tide!
It's not the will to win, but the will to prepare to win that makes the difference.
-Paul "Bear" Bryant
This has nothing to do with Mizzo...
I had a dream that UGA won the SEC East.
RBR's King of Hip-Hop...
This has nothing to do with Mizzo...
I had a dream that I was stuck in a clown car and all those other fat, sweaty fornicators were able to get out of the car… my seatbelt was stuck… I panicked… I took another clown hostage before he could exfiltrate the clown car… we ended up just sitting in there smokin’ doobies and laughing at the other dickheads because they were working their happy asses off in a carnival attended by mean drunks that were winging their whisky bottles at the performers.
I guess that’s kind of like UGA winning the East.
by TiderUpNorth on Oct 5, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
That is awesome. If it has not already been done, that would make a great foundation for a movie and/or book.
Thirteen.
Thank you Texas!
This is all your fault with your OVERBLOWN ego. Thanks for messing up a perfectly good thing. There goes a week of rest.
When the issue is boiled down to its essence, Texas truly is to blame.
Which is why, when (not IF) the Big12 collapses, I pity the conference dumb enough to accept those hollow braggarts and their dead-weight Ribeye Network.
You know, the easiest way around all this division/scheduling crap...
…is for the NCAA just to add a 13th regular season game to the slate. Hell, we went from 10 to 11 to 12 in my current life-span.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Make its ass quit -TWEsq to me concerning my fight against Multiple Sclerosis
grr
Hell it seems like we went
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Make its ass quit -TWEsq to me concerning my fight against Multiple Sclerosis
by AlabamaJammer on Oct 5, 2011 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Only Bama already plays 14 games every year
/wishful thinking
Mark Barron, y'all.
by twominutedrill on Oct 5, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
mizzou
At first I was totally against having another set if tigers in the SEC. After awhile of thinking about it. I have decided that since Missouri was kind enough to give us Josey Wales. Then they are more than welcome to join the SEC.
by BamaBandit12 on Oct 5, 2011 11:32 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
what i remember from childhood
i saw the top 5 individual rushing performances from college football. 4 of the 5 running backs were playing Mizzu when they racked up the yards. this was over 20 years ago but it was one of the first things that came to mind when i heard Mizzu was a possibility.
i still like them better than most of the other options i’ve heard.
n grit
Frankly, Mizzou football hasn’t been relevant since Al Onofrio coached there in the 70’s (I think he was the head coach when they beat ’Bama in the 1975 season opener, and the last time I paid attention to their basketball team, Steve Stipanovich was on it…
Upon further reflection of my post of last night, I’d rather have Maryland…Two big TV markets (BAL-D.C.) plus the Washington Post.
"I want winners!"--Mike Singletary, 2008
by Black ice in Alabama on Oct 5, 2011 8:27 PM CDT reply actions
Maryland wouldn't be a bad idea...
Before BC was brought in, they were the real outlier of the ACC. They have more in common with the northern basketball schools than anything in the south…but they are the only AQ school in the state, and along with the fact that they are the only real college football team in that market, they got that Underarmour money, for whatever that’s worth.
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Mizzou is the only real choice
Truth be told, Va Tech was a pipe dream,and wasn’t gonna happen, especially with the ACC adding two mediocre football schools(and killer basketball schools) in syracuse and pitt, and the strings the VA legislature pulled to get VA tech into the ACC would automatically make them a package deal with Virginia (who offers what in any sport). And there’s no way in hell that NC State would walk away from guaranteed basketball sellouts everytime Duke and UNC come there. NC State wouldn’t get a game from either one nonconference in either sport if the Pack left. They’re the redheaded stepchild in the triangle, but they’ve been tied together for so long, they wouldn’t have incentive to leave.
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It's the sport of kings, better than diamond rings....football.
Roll Tide Roll!
Go NIners!
Get all 3 NC schools!
The SEC could make a dynamite move to 16 teams by adding Duke, UNC, and NC State. It makes sense geographically (Vanderbilt would move to SEC West to balance the divisions), adds 2 premier academic institutions in Duke and UNC, and bolsters the SEC’s basketball reputation. You want to talk markets? Charlotte, Raleigh, and the huge following that Duke brings would be 100x better than KC/StL.
I honestly think this is a great idea and hope that someone in Birmingham has considered it, especially considering Mizzou may not be a lock.
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by animalcracker on Oct 6, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
meant to link the Mizzou story
Jon Solomon’s story from The Birmingham News
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by animalcracker on Oct 6, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
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