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Initial Impressions from the LSU Game

The Bernie Madoff of prep kicking prospects?

The reason it reads like an autopsy is because it is one.

The 30,000 feet overview? We narrowly won ugly on offense, we won on defense, and we bled from the asses on special teams. The punting game was actually a major surprise, and shocking enough Cody Mandell actually out-punted Brad Wing, but the kicking game was an outright disaster and our long-term inability to recruit quality specialists dug our graves, lowered the caskets, shoveled dirt on top, and cued Amazing Grace last night in Bryant-Denny Stadium. It's not an issue of simply undervaluing the kicking game; Lord knows we've tried everything possible in terms of recruiting to rectify the situation, we've just failed miserably at talent evaluation. Cade Foster turned out to be even more of a waste than Corey Smith, and given how badly we've botched the previous two kicking evaluations it's hard to generate much confidence in 2012 commitment Adam Griffith regardless of his prep accolades.

Underlying the missed kicks, however, are two more fundamental concerns, one with relation to red zone efficiency and the other regarding decision making by the coaching staff. We'll address both, but starting with red zone efficiency we've had issues for years now convertig in the red zone and in general in situations where we are approaching the red zone. As a general rule you need to get some points any time you go inside your opponent's 40-yard line, and we could not do that several times last night. More specifically, even barring touchdowns, what we needed to do was advance the ball deeper into LSU territory to allow the reliable Jeremy Shelley to convert the short-yardage kicks that are within his range. Unable to do that however due to a sputtering offense, we were left to try errant pot shots with a hapless kicker with no real chance of success.

Now, that leads directly the decision making of the coaching staff. The four missed kicks were from 44, 50, 49, and 52 yards, and again there was no real chance of success on any of them (in hindsight it was nothing short of a minor miracle that Foster hit the 46-yarder in the third quarter). So why even attempt them in the first place? Why not just punt the football, pin a sputtering LSU offense up deep, and allow your stifling defense to get a quick stop and get the ball back to your offense in good field position? Instead of doing that, however, we chose to piss away valuable field position and in turn left the LSU offense with great starting field position for much of the night, taxing our defense even further and forcing our offense to march even farther when the defense did get a stop. And that decision making was even more suspect when we brought Shelley on for the 49-yard field goal try, which was well beyond his range and effectively tantamount to bringing a sorority pledge onto the field in a high-stakes Kick for Tuition contest (in hindsight, we were fortunate LSU didn't scoop and score with the block). It's one thing to be unable to recruit a kicker, but that shortcoming cannot be fixed in early November and at the very least you can pursue strategies on gameday that mitigate your weaknesses. For whatever reason last night, however, the coaching staff decided to emphasize rather than minimize our own flaws and that may have proven the difference.

Moving outside of the kicking game, LSU seized victory last night largely at the point of attack against our offensive line. Given their undersized front four, our path to victory was to effectively run the football and to use our size and physical power backs to impose our will on their defense, but in the end we were largely unable to do so. At the end of the night we had 31 carries for 96 yards and in countless situations where an effective running game could have taken us beyond those long-yardage kicks it simply sputtered. And, of course, Jim McElwain went away from Trent Richardson several times in which he should have likely gotten the ball deep in LSU territory. Kicking game notwithstanding, to win last night we needed to establish the run at the line of scrimmage and we simply could not do that.

AJ McCarron deserves his own indictment for crimes against national championships. In a game where the defense played so exceedingly well that all McCarron needed to do was manage the game, he failed miserably at even doing that. Barring check downs to Richardson he had 25 passing attempts that netted 113 yards, two sacks, and a back-breaking interception. The interception itself was just damning and unforgivable. With the lead, an immovable defense, possession of the football, a first and ten, good field position, and with a mere fifteen minutes separating us from a trip to New Orleans, McCarron took the crystal ball and shattered the damn thing like he just wandered into a Greek wedding. Given the play of our defense and winning the field position battle, odds are that a 6-3 lead would have held up last night, but McCarron simply could not even manage the game. Making matters worse, his overtime performance was just as poor, first missing an open Trent Richardson on a wheel route that would have either resulted in touchdown at best or a first and goal at worst and then taking a sack on the key third down which pushed us even further out of field goal range. If I were Phillip Sims, I'd step back from the transfer considerations and start getting ready for spring practice in Tuscaloosa.

And since the subject of backbreaking interceptions has been broached, the trick pass by Marquis Maze can be added to the laundry list of indefensible decisions and performances. With a tie game in the fourth quarter of a low-scoring slugfest, you have the football on your opponent's 28-yard line with a fresh set of downs, and arguably the best tailback in the history of Alabama football in the backfield. At the risk of playing Sunday morning quarterback, you put the football in his hands, you run the football and you get closer to Jeremy Shelley's field goal range for a potential short go-ahead field goal that can yield a 9-6 lead with under ten minutes left. Instead, what do we do? We run a trick pass with a wide receiver, the exact same pass that we ran last year against Florida, and not surprisingly LSU covered it well (turns out they did a bit of film analysis on the bye week, who knew?). Maze was blown up in the backfield, had to make an off balance throw under duress, and then Michael Williams went up for the football like an 80-year old sales clerk going up to get something off the top shelf of a department store. A 6'7, 265 pound tight end simply cannot lose a jump ball to a 6'2, 210 pound safety. Period. Terrible decision, terrible execution, disastrous result.

Star-divide

Furthermore, speaking of Williams, as I wrote in the middle of last week, given the lack of size outside in the wide receiver corps it was of the utmost importance that the tight ends play well, and both Williams and Brad Smelley had arguably their worst performances of the season. We needed them to be consistent contributors in the short-and-intermediate passing game, and their efforts yielded a combined two catches for nine yards.

On the bittersweet side, can there possibly be sufficient praise for the play of the defense? They singlehandedly ruined Jarrett Lee's feel good story, catching almost as many of his passes as LSU receivers did, and in the end the Bayou Bengal offense was reduced to nothing more than the occasional option play and the ad-libbed scrambling of Jordan Jefferson. Bill Oliver said in November of 1992 that he wished Bryant were alive to watch that defense play, and with all due respect to that unit, I'd wager that if Bryant were alive today he pass over film of that defense and watch this group play instead. It's hard to even fathom within the bounds of reality how a defense could even theoretically be more suffocating. Such a shame that it was all wasted, and it should forever serve as a reminder for all of those who talk about how defense wins championship that offense and special teams can sure as hell lose them.

In the end, the defense made literally one mistake all night long and that proved to not be in the margin of error. Russell Shepard went for 34 yards after a mental breakdown to set up the game-tying field goal at the end of the first half, and that one mistake that yielded a whopping three points was simply one mistake too many given how the offense and special teams threw this game away with their various shortcomings. It was a perfect performance sans one minor blip, and that one minor blip was too much to emerge victorious. Plain damn sickening to think about, really.

In the end, with all due respect to LSU, this game was defined more by the things we did not do. Bill Walsh does not need to be resurrected to perform this postmortem: In a game of such two evenly matched teams, you simply cannot miss four kicks and have two critical turnovers and win. The fact that we had more first downs, more total yards, and won the time of possession battle are merely random data points in the face of such mistakes. The defense did everything humanly possible and it was ultimately just a wasted performance.

And as for LSU, a big tip of the houndstooth fedora is in order. Tyrann Mathieu's mother would have done the world a service had she exercised her rights under Roe v. Wade, but aside from him there is absolutely nothing negative that can be said of this Bayou Bengal team that took the field last night. They did exactly what they needed and they played the game exactly as it is supposed to be played. Barring an unexpected choke-job for the ages in the final four weeks, all the crystal spoils go to Baton Rouge and rightfully so. No hatred, no bitterness, no jealousy, just hard-earned respect for a team that was simply better than we were. This isn't a repeat of 2007, they did it the right way. Even when defeat feels like death you still have respect for the game and those that play it how it was meant to be played.

Now much talk will turn to the prospects of a rematch, but as Todd warned last week on RBR, that's just not a realistic possibility. We'll see how the BCS shakes out later today, but odds are that we fall behind an undefeated Boise team, and in any event it's far from a given that both Oklahoma State and Stanford will lose in the final four weeks. Making matters worse, with games left against only Mississippi State, Georgia Southern and Auburn with no feasible path to Atlanta, we have no opportunities left for a marquee victory to propel ourselves back up in the polls. For obvious reasons I'd love nothing more than to get a rematch in New Orleans, and I'll be blunt in stating it's clear these are far and away the two best teams in the country, but that's just hope, high talk, and hot air; it's simply not based in reality and it should not be treated as such. We played in a Game of the Century last night and we lost; it's over, just painful history at this point that can never be re-written. And, frankly, as much as I would like to believe otherwise, I'm not sure the rematch would change anything. There is a fairly strong argument to the effect that if we could not get it done last night in Tuscaloosa, we couldn't get it done in nine weeks in New Orleans. And many pollsters will vote according to that logic, too.

Long-term for Alabama, we'll be back at some point, the traditional powerhouses always do, but exactly when? Next year will not be the year with roster attrition and a brutal road schedule, and no one can legitimately say what 2013 will bring. The harsh truth of the matter is that regardless of how long Nick Saban resides in Tuscaloosa, his time at the Capstone is limited; opportunities like this are exceedingly rare, and once squandered they can never be recovered. Barring a repeat of the insanity of the final four weeks of the 2007 season, for Alabama the 2011 season will always be about what could have been but never was. 1962, 1974, 1977, 1994, 2008, and now 2011.

And beyond that, just the pain, all the damn pain, like a dull serrated Bowie knife twisted repeatedly through the chest. Longtime RBR readers will know that I make few concrete guarantees on this blog, but I can make you one in the immediate aftermath: If you picked up chlamydia last night it will reside before the pain from this loss does. Personally, I'd rather get pulled out of the sewer, dragged through the streets, and shot like Qaddafi than ever watch that game film again. If I'm ever tortured with that game film again it will undoubtedly be in the pits of Hell.

In any event, the past is past, and while fans can and likely will sulk in their misery for days if not weeks, for this team and this coaching staff Mississippi State week begins in only a few hours. Georgia Southern is obligatory, but road trips to Starkville and Auburn could easily turn into losses with mental and emotional hangovers, and say what you will about missed national championships, the point remains that this team still has much to play for. With three victories to close the season 'Bama ends up in a BCS game and likely finishes second in the nation, but with a loss we are heading back to Orlando to take on a Big Ten also-ran. And, quite frankly, if we have any chance of keeping our sub-atomic national championship hopes alive, not only do we need to win, the fact of the matter is we need to blast Mississippi State back to the Stone Ages and do more damage on the Plains than a ten thousand Harvey Updykes could ever dream of. Truth be told the loss last night will be taken to the grave, but the 2011 season continues nonetheless and for this team the grind must start again tonight.

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I'm with you.

I’m not for hating LSU. Except for Tyrann Mathieu and his cheap shot on Dre.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the rest of that team. They played a great game of football yesterday, and I hope that they take care of business for the remainder of the season.

Dave Robertson is growing up to be the new Mariano Rivera. My two universes of fandom can finally unite!

by SoGladILeftTheACC on Nov 6, 2011 11:50 AM CST reply actions  

It was a chicken shit thing to do...

no two ways about it. He got beat and couldn’t handle it.

by TiderInTN on Nov 6, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

The vajer is a punk.

The Montgomery kid had some classy things to say afterward, though.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Montgomery is a beast

He’ll be cashing an eight figure check soon.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of classy things that were said.....

Les Miles’ press conference after the game was simply the epitome of class….He was obviously incredibly happy to win, but was truly and honestly very complementary of Alabama..

As far as Mathieu….he is a punk little fag and we all knew coming in that he was nothing but a low life thug….and when he cheap shotted Dre’ because he couldn’t handle getting beat, it showed that he has no honor, no substance, and is nothing but a bag of shit….

by p3bhambama on Nov 6, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

WIth a cheap shot like that...

the intent is nothing more than to hurt someone. The kid is a thug, and if lsu keeps accepting this type behavior…i hope them all the miami (u-thug).

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!!

by alanbama14 on Nov 6, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

As an LSU fan, I am not pleased

I feel like he was trying to get away with a hold to give his guy more time to return the ball, but I need to see the replay. What pisses me off is that he did that to a guy who was absolutely owning us and he got hurt. I don’t feel it was malicious but I do feel what caused him to fall on the ground was an intentional act done at a high risk moment when Dre was defenseless and running full speed. It was irresponsible and dangerous.

Earlier this season, I felt like Craig Loston should have been suspended for hitting a guy helmet to helmet, something he had done before. I said he was going to break his neck if he doesn’t learn how to tackle like a real man. I don’t think he’s seen the field since a bad concussion a few weeks ago and I believe it happened because he wasn’t tackling properly.

I don’t think those incidents are all that different. For their own safety and the safety of others, they could benefit from sitting out a game and watching others make the plays without endangering themselves or someone else.

by Big McLargeHuge on Nov 6, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Definitely see the replay..

because i think you’re kidding yourself if you come to any other conclusion than the fact that it was malicious. I hope the SEC does something about this…and maybe even make an example before this stuff gets out of hand.

by alanbama14 on Nov 6, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

If that's what the replay shows, I agree entirely

And another thing. I’m sick and tired of seeing him jaw back and forth with WR. I remember how PP7 once said he and Julio would never say a word to each other. They’d stare each other down all game long. They respected each other. Those were intense match-ups. Mathieu needs to stop talking and clean his act up a little bit.

by Big McLargeHuge on Nov 6, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree...

that’s my whole issue with all of this. The Refs/Conferences/NCAA need to get a handle on this QUICKLY. A kid coming up pounding his chest and jawing with the opponent…just no place for it.

by alanbama14 on Nov 6, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Dre likes to jaw too

but he doesn’t take cheap shots.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

His hand accidentally caught his shoulder pad

Just him trying to avoid a block in the bac, albeit poorly, and accidentaly catching his shoulder pad

by Big McLargeHuge on Nov 6, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately...

that’s what all the “homer” lsu fans “think” they saw…an accidental grab of the shoulder pad…give me a freaking break. It was a right hook to the jaw…nothing less. Now if you don’t mind go back to that hole you climbed out of and stop defending that garbage on this site. Tyrann said in a tweet, that they teach that technique at lsu…nice! hopefully you all get what you deserve…and we see how well that worked out for miami.

by alanbama14 on Nov 6, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

accidentally caught his shoulder pad?

No…..not even close…..I was in the stadium last night and the play happened on my side of the field – I sit at the fifty and the play happened to my left about 15 yards away…..it was the cheapest shot I have ever seen in watching football for 30 years….I have watched Alabama and LSU play for all those years – and unlike auburn and Arkansas I have never seen an LSU player do anything but play within not only the letter, but the spirit of the rules – and after listening to his press conference last night, my second favorite coach in the SEC is Les Miles – the guy is pure class…..that being said, Mathieu should be suspended for a game at minimum – and if he was on my team, given that he has had more than one run-in with drugs, he would be on his way to play football with Ryan Perriloux because the guy is a chickenshit little thug who has no honor….

by p3bhambama on Nov 6, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed...

I wish these homers would at least be intellectually honest. There was no doubt, seeing it live or watching the replay that this was done intentionally and they try to pass this off as something that was done “accidentally”.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!!

by alanbama14 on Nov 7, 2011 5:10 AM CST up reply actions  

He's got a concussion

Severity to be determined as baseline testing indicates later in the week.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

My initial impression

Quite simply, the defense tried their best to fight their way to victory and the offense was having none of it. I certainly don’t blame McCarron. I blame the guy who has zero faith in McCarron. We knew special teams would be an LSU advantage, so the offense would have to do their part, which McIlwain failed on.

It was a weak, half-hearted coaching job by McIlwain and considering that he didn’t have a “Run Plan B” in mind when LSU defended his 1830s-style runs up the middle, exactly what is he worth as a coach? OTS said it today, I was saying it last night — it was a weak, ill-advised offensive game called by McIlwain. It was destined to cost Alabama the game and did anyone else notice Coach Saban’s reaction after the Maze interception? Yeah. Wow.

We need an OC that will have faith in (and KNOW) his players as well as be more imaginative than a 19th Century OC. Does LSU have a great team? Absolutely. But Alabama pissed that game away from a position of strength with McIlwain’s stagnation mainly to blame.

Day late and a dollar short.

by TiderUpNorth on Nov 6, 2011 11:58 AM CST reply actions  

Didn't

every sweep play get knocked down for a huge loss?

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Huge loss and a cloud of dust, that is.

Day late and a dollar short.

by TiderUpNorth on Nov 6, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't run wide on a defense with that much speed

Just a wasted down. You may get away with the occasional off tackle run, but that’s it.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

OTS.....

I’ve got some serious questions about our philosophy on offense, and I’d like to get your thoughts….first of all, we heard all week leading up to the game about how our offense was scoring 39 pts/gm and was really pretty good – but it seems to me that our offense under McElwain has been very good between the 20’s and an absolute nightmare in the red zone…am I imagining that? and does it have to do with play calling or what?

Do you think that our zone blocking scheme results in us not being as tough on the offensive line as other teams?

Can you please explain to me why whatever moron that decides to run tricky little wussy plays every time we are in position to score on first down still has a job?

Why did we run eleventybillion wide running plays when not one of them worked?

Why was TR not in the game in critical situations?

Is Coach Saban’s obsession with balance keeping us from running the ball more when it is the correct thing to do in certain games?

Why the hell does McElwain lay an egg three times a year like clockwork with his game plan and still have a job?

And finally, pardon my French, but WHY THE FUCK DOES WILLIAMS STILL HAVE A JOB AS THE SPECIAL TEAMS COACH WHEN IT IS OBVIOUS TO ANYBODY WITH A BRAIN THAT OUR SPECIAL TEAMS HAVE BEEN GOING TO SHIT EVERY YEAR SINCE HE TOOK OVER ??!?!?!??

by p3bhambama on Nov 6, 2011 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I

am just saying, LSU’s strength was the perimeter of the defense. Running up the middle was the right game plan. I think part of the passing’s game problem is the WRs as well-we don’t see the routes being ran. Lets continue the season and hope for the best, we were a championship caliber game before the LSU game, we still are after the LSU game.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And screen passes have worked beautifully this year and in years past because of our blocking.

McIlwain just wasn’t resourceful enough and was planning not to lose rather than simply win.

Day late and a dollar short.

by TiderUpNorth on Nov 6, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Bad playcalling

But again, the problem towards the end we got in our own damn way with the cute shit and got away from the running game. We’re near the red zone in the fourth quarter and in overtime and we’re running trick plays and throwing the football. Inexcusable. Given the ball to Richardson, play three yards and a cloud of dust, and get in range for a 35-38 yard field goal from Shelley. Instead we dick around, turn the ball over, and then completely get out of Shelley’s range with a sack and an illegal substitution penalty. Hell, if we had really just went with the 1830’s strategy we would have been fine. Darby up the middle was all we needed late and I’ll be damned if we didn’t do everything other than that.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

R-Train alluded to it below...

I think we probably did some considerable damage to our offensive recruiting last night. We basically said we don’t care if you’re the best RB in the nation, we’re not going to give it to you inside the opponent’s 30 to secure a win.

by TiderInTN on Nov 6, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

True enough

Just totally inexcusable to not give the ball to Richardson late like that. The only comparison I can even think of are Houston Nutt with McFadden against LSU in ’06 and Pat Dye against us with Bo in 1984.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I got the distinct impression that CNS was not thrilled with the O play calling in his post game

conference. I predict we have a new O coordinator next year.

Never truss a big butt and a smile.

by R-Train on Nov 6, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

People thought that most of last year too...

… and yet he remains.

I wouldn’t say a damn word if he left in January, but I’m just saying we’ve been here before.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate to go nuclear on a coach, but my God, did McIlwain send that game into a black hole.

Not only did he lose faith in McCarron, but he goes away from Trent?!?!?!?!?!?! I am still in disbelief. Seriously.

There are painful games from years ago that I am able to watch again: 2000 Orange Bowl, 2008 SECCG, 1982 Cotton Bowl. But now there are 2 games in the past two years that I know I will NEVER be able to touch/mention/think about without clenching my fists.

Day late and a dollar short.

by TiderUpNorth on Nov 6, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Trent kept coming off the field

After each explosive play he made. Another key play that hasn’t been talked about much was the Barron play that ended up at the 30 instead of the 4.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Nov 6, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

that was huge, huge, huge.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Monstrous.....

and a wonderful example of how we choked away this game…..not only did Chapman block in the back, but I think Upshaw did too right after him…..two Seniors making dumb, rookie mistakes…..

by p3bhambama on Nov 6, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

And "considerable damage" is a bit much

But it sure as hell won’t help anything. If you’re a star tailback you want the football in critical situations, especially when the passing game can do nothing.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Or even after the 3rd drive (which ended with the block field goal). 1st and 10 after a nice Trent Richardson catch and run. We run an end around with Maze, who gets tripped up on the hand-off and now it is 2nd and 15 and the play-calling completely switches around. The wildcat pass….just bad. We made the play-calling mistakes. It sucks, because it was a game we lost, not a game that LSU won.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

An 1830's Strategy.....

….might have worked last night in the last minutes, but it would not work overall as a strategy in our time to win national championships, or even SEC championships. So this one is simply one that it is possible the only solution is coaching changes. Whether starting at the top I don’t know, but there is some really bad handwriting on the wall that I wished was not there.

by BobM2009 on Nov 6, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh?
Whether starting at the top I don’t know, but there is some really bad handwriting on the wall that I wished was not there.

This will likely be our fourth consecutive BCS game, including one BCSCG. Did you even think before typing that?

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Nov 6, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know why anyone would even think about Saban's job security.

That is the dumbest shit I’ve seen yet.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Nov 6, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is why I clarified that I want Coach Saban to stay at the Capstone until kingdom come.

JTad, you and I both know that there is a handful of lunatic-fringe-types that think Saban should leave… as if he has done such a terrible job. Honestly, if I had my way, Coach Saban would have taken over for a retiring Coach Stallings in 2007.

Day late and a dollar short.

by TiderUpNorth on Nov 6, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Stallings had good reasons for leaving.

No sure what you mean by that. He certainly wasn’t forced out.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Nov 6, 2011 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know about that.

Bockrath (if he was the AD at the time) wanted to go a different direction and I’ve heard something to the effect of his arguing with Coach Stallings at some time during the Miss State game that year.

Paul W. Bryant,
Sir Alex Ferguson,
Truly the best of both footballing worlds.

by TiderUpNorth on Nov 7, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Whether starting at the top I don’t know, but there is some really bad handwriting on the wall that I wished was not there.

I’m gonna echo J Tadpole……that is by far, and I mean by a wide margin, the single dumbest sentence ever written in the history of the internet…..you should keep thoughts like that to yourself – like Jack Nicholson would say – Sell crazy someplace else….we’re all stocked up here….

by p3bhambama on Nov 6, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

About Richardson,

I know they want to rest him after a couple of runs, but that game was moving so slowly, NO ONE needed rest! I think the more pressing issue was to keep your muscles warm, with all of the 5 minute time outs. When you are at the game and they show hardly any replays and only the smiling and waving co-eds, it is almost as boring as baseball has become, with all of the delays.

"I never did give anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was
hell."
- Harry S Truman

by adeleswims on Nov 6, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

You are correct sir....

this is just one of many examples of a complete and total failure on our coaching staff…..If you take Kirby Smart, the rest of the defensive staff, and Scott Cochran off the sidelines, there is not a single coach on our side of the field that did not make a stunning ass of themselves last night – especially including Coach Saban and Coach McElwain – Saban for his inexcusable trotting out Cade Foster time after time to see how bad he could suck and McElwain for just being totally incompetent….

by p3bhambama on Nov 6, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Bluto: [thrusting six-pack into Flounder's hands] My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.

"All I wanna do is drive around in my truck and drink Jack Daniels... and they just don't understand."- Kenny Stabler

by UtahBammer on Nov 6, 2011 11:58 AM CST reply actions  

All I can figure is that the coaches played scared. No other explaination. I have a hard time blaming

the kickers because 50 yards is tough for even a pro kicker. Why we felt we had to get points at all cost and not play for field position is beyond me. Dance with who brings you and we should have been giving our D the tools to succeed. Players can make some mistakes, they are amatures, for coaches with salaries of 10 times that of the average household, mistakes are unforgivable. Until proven otheriwse, Nick Saban is not the best coach in the SEC. Jim McElwain is not qualified to coach Pop Warner and his resignation should already be signed and on Nick Sabans desk IMO.

In regards to a rematch, I am 100% against the notion. Nobody had any illusions that this game was for all the marbles and if you can’t win it you don’t get another shot. Not in my world. That being said, if we play LSU 10 times we win 6 or 7. They were not the better team last night but they played a better game. Sour grapes be damned, thats just how I feel and I think it is a reasonable assesment, This is not to say I don’t respect and love watching LSU football. They are a great team who made great plays and who also made the smart coaching decision to win with the strategies which have worked for them all season. Our fucking coaches are just not that wise I guess. They should return, at least, 1/12 of their salary. They failed their team, their employer and their fans and if I were an offensive recruit I would have strong misgivings about playing for this coaching staff.

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by R-Train on Nov 6, 2011 11:59 AM CST reply actions  

Rematch.

It’s nice to have big games be important and meaningful and all, but that sure don’t trump Bama playing for a national title. I’m for a rematch heart, body and soul.

My next point is that Saban is the best coach in the sec even though he made some crucial mistakes last nit, starting with not calling timeouts at the end of regulation when OT was stacked agaiinst us with touchdowns hard to come by and an inferior fg kicker. That was baffling.

But anybody who didn’t already know there are warts on saban’s coaching style clearly has a koolaid-colored tongue. He makes up for it by building incredible teams. If he would just get entirely out of the way of the offense and hire a whiz OC, we would be next thing to unbeatable.

by glen55 on Nov 6, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Saban is a great recruiter, but

he has to have good assistants, especially on offense and special teams. Why he has not beefed up on offense coaching in particular is totally a mystery to me. I am sorry but this has to be rectified or even Saban will have problems getting these really good recruits.

by BobM2009 on Nov 6, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

In fairness, they lead the SEC in offensive production

It was special teams that killed us.

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by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

And special teams has been a problem ever since Bobby Williams came on board.

The guy may be a great recruiter, but can’t we find somewhere else to put him??

God bless our Dark Lord.

by CarrotTop4 on Nov 7, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

There's the question . . .

Of whether Saban will get out of the way of his OCs. Maybe I’m wrong, but I put conservatism like no timeouts at the end of regulation or consistently throttling back the O in the 3rd with a 14-point lead on Saban, not mcelwain.

by glen55 on Nov 6, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I absolutely HATE saying that Coach Saban did/does something wrong, but

Alabama’s choke jobs of 2010 and now 2011 are lessons that must be examined. A more resourceful and imaginative OC is definitely in order. Sorry fellow elephants, but I have zero faith in McIlwain going forward for this very reason — at the moment of truth in games with NC implications, the offense has gone ice-cold or has been stopped perfectly to insure first stagnance and then defeat. I’ll leave it to you to reference 2010’s and 2011’s 3 devastating losses in which Alabama pissed the advantage away.

Day late and a dollar short.

by TiderUpNorth on Nov 6, 2011 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Kirkpatrick has a concussion

His availability will depend on how he scores on baseline testing, but I’d think the odds are that he is out next weekend. Jones and Maze have sprained ankles and we’ll just have to see how they respond this week in practice.

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by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks.

I hope they’re all back soon, but especially Jones.

by TiderInTN on Nov 6, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

we just got outcoached in several drives and mccarron cant make the throws

that we need from our qb.. in OT, richardson was open but mccarron could not make the throw…make that pass correctly and we score…something we didnt do all game.

williams on the pass from maze just got taken and the lsu player wanted in more is all.

Our D is better but theirs is very good to say the least, mccullough did a fine job last night but fluker got out ran on several plays.

out lickers are just flat out sun belt. gve us souther miss kicker and we win. period.

overall, still a chace if oregon, oklahoma and arkansas win, but at this point, i dont think a rematch is warranted, we had our shot at home and got outcoached…either way, we need to put a serious beating on the barn and miss state…

by Bigrock on Nov 6, 2011 12:24 PM CST reply actions  

Incredibly painful to read...

but spot-on analysis. Significant coach blunders last night; 2 you mentioned and one you didn’t?

- putting Maze back in to field the punt with his injured ankle. He couldn’t backpedal and that lost us field position.
- as you mentioned, the FG attempt decisions. The Smelly decision we all knew was ridiculous. What could he have been thinking?
- as you mentioned, the Maze trick play on freaking first down on their 28. Un-freakin-believable.

However, you dance with the one that brought you and Nick has gotten us where we are.

I’m not as pessimistic as you about the rest of the season (or 2012 for that matter). I think you might write this differently a couple days from now when the pain lessons.

Roll Tide!

by Richard Rodgers on Nov 6, 2011 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

Go through the roster and name the starters for next year.

I think you’ll find his 2012 assessment to be very realistic.

by TiderInTN on Nov 6, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

If

you assume players don’t get better. We lose talent on defense, but we have some good ones coming back as well.

As long as Saban is coaching we are going to be competing for a national title. I will take that.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course they get better.

But, we’ve seen first-hand that you really need to be on the field for a year in Saban’s defense in order to really do everything well.

by TiderInTN on Nov 6, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

And

even last year in our “down season” we had a top 10 defense in the country. We will get back some very talented guys. We do lose Chapman, Hightower, Upshaw, Harris Barron, Meznie, and likely Kirkpatrick.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Correct, but...

Top ten defense or not, three defensive meltdowns led directly to three losses, and 10-3 teams don’t win national championships.

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by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Very true.

Hell, the 2005 D was top 10.

by TiderInTN on Nov 6, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

No

I am not the kind of person who is going to be very upset if we don’t win a national title every year. I love to. But I know it is not going to happen. Being able to have the talent to compete for a title is nice, then you hope shit goes your way. I find nothing wrong with 10 win seasons in this era of college football.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I wasn’t upset when we lost last night, just a little disappointed. They played their guts out and lost to a damn fine team.
No shame in that.

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I was very upset

But of course that’s during the course of the game. After being able to sit back a bit, I’m still frustrated about the mistakes, but I’m proud of the team and think they can still make this year a very good one.

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by billycthulhu on Nov 6, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

There is nothing wrong with a 10 win season

No one is saying there is something wrong with that. The argument, though, is that we won’t win a national championship next year. It’s not like anyone is predicting a 7-6 year with a trip back to Legion Field.

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by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Problem for next year

Is that lsu is going to be loaded.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Nov 6, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

They

will be starting a new QB. You never know what Mettenberger might be like as a QB.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

they still dont have a QB

unless mettenberger ends up doing something.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

and

we have seen it can only get you so far. LSU had one drive against Alabama all night. Again we lost this game, LSU didn’t “win” it.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

completely agree.

i still think we were the better team last night. LSU generally got lucky, which is all LSU is. think its crazy how much love that piece of shit gets.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

These last two post above this one are unbelievable

I’ve agreed with almost everything in this thread (even as an LSU fan). LSU did “win” this game. “Luck” or not, all teams share that. Miles and staff out-coached Saban and staff, and special teams took it from there. Please don’t lower the class of 99% of the Alabama fan-base by making comments like an Auburn fan.

by Geauxst22 on Nov 7, 2011 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

We won everywhere but the scoreboard, which is where

it matters most. We don’t have moral victories. We lost to a damn fine team. But I do think we were the better team. Just not our night.

by burmbuster on Nov 7, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

This may be unpopular,

but we’re not going to have Saban forever and the chances aren’t great that his replacement will be able to equal his success. So it makes sense that his best teams will be our best chances to achieve what we all want.

I feel that this is one of his best teams and that’s why last night is so painful.

by TiderInTN on Nov 6, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep. This is his 5th year.

As sad as it makes me to think about it, I’d be surprised if he stays more than 5 more years. Next year won’t be the year. That gives us probably 4 more good chances. After that, who knows.

God bless our Dark Lord.

by CarrotTop4 on Nov 7, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Lets go to JUCO's and look for monsters

that are fast and mean and will look you in the eye, shed tears, and tell you they will kill for you. If they keep looking you in the eye, then hire that man on the spot, whether he be player or coach, especially though if he is a player. If you have to then downgrade that complicated defense. Heck LSU had a good defense two years in a row.

by BobM2009 on Nov 6, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

hahaha

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather we leave the hiring of players to Auburn.

And if you didn’t notice, we have 2 JUCO players starting on D.

by TiderInTN on Nov 6, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't mention Maze because...

Frankly at that point I doubted we were scoring anyway. Obviously we should have had someone else back deep, but I tend to think it’s a harmless error.

And just to be entirely clear, I’m not pessimistic about the remainder of this year or next, I’m just pointing out that the chances of a national championship either this season or next are practically zero. It’s not happening this year, and we’ll probably lose around 12 starters next year on offense or defense to go along with road trips to Baton Rouge (against a stronger LSU team), Fayetteville, Knoxville (see LSU), Athens, and likely College Station, not to mention we’ll face a stronger Auburn team in Bryant-Denny. We’ll win a lot of games, but a crystal ball won’t be coming our way.

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by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It

was a 30 yard swing in field position. It was kind of a big deal, but Maze said the ball apparently hit the camera wire causing it to give it a weird trajectory…who knows I prefer it if Christen Jones was back there instead.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

It did hit the wire, no doubt about that, and you are right it cost us a lot of field position, neither of those two things can be legitimately contested. Even so, we’d still have needed to go 30 yards or so to get in field goal range, and while I’d like to think we could have done that, I just don’t see it.

Regarding Jones, I think we just didn’t want to put a true freshman deep to field the punt with the risk of a muff. LSU would have seen it and punted the ball relatively short and very high, making him reel in a tough grab in traffic. I don’t think the staff was expecting any real return from Maze, they just wanted someone back that they knew would catch the ball cleanly.

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by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

If it hits the wire is that not a redo? Also, is everyone here in agreement that the Maze int throw

was the correct call? Looked like a catch to me but since no one is bitching I take that as a sign it was in fact a LSU int,

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by R-Train on Nov 6, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

It was an interception all the way to me...

Williams caught the ball initially, but Reid had it wrestled away before Williams got his feet down with it. Obviously we needed the call to go the other way, but that’s not really bad officiating, and it’s sure as hell not bad officiating by SEC ref standards.

And the ball hitting the wire should probably either result in a dead ball at the point of contact with the ground or a replay of the down, but I don’t think there is a rule about that as of right now just because it’s so rarely ever an issue. We might have one in the offseason after this, though.

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by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn Vince McMahon and his damn floating camera

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by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree on the INT.

If Reid had been laying back-down on the ground and a pass fell into his arms, it’s a catch and an INT. It shouldn’t be any different when Williams comes down bobbling the ball and it lands in his lap and doesn’t touch the ground. For me, it’s a simple as that.

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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Nov 6, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats a good point.

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by R-Train on Nov 6, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

How is this for a bad memory?

Williams’ play on the ball reminded me of D..J. Hall’s little juggling act in the end zone in the ’06 IB..

Being good has nothing to do with it, Mikey. They choose your name randomly out of the phonebook.

by Mr. Kobayashi on Nov 6, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

On the other hand..

Not meaning to make you or anyone feel worse about it, but for your consideration..

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1125417.html

When a receiver’s rear end hits the ground, as was the case with Williams, the play is over IF the receiver shares posssesion of the ball with the defensive player.
As you can clearly see from the rulebook excerpts above, the simultaneous possession rule provision – which is college football’s equivalent to baseball’s "tie goes to the runner" provision – is still on the books. If that provision is still on the books, the logic is simple, then: If an offensive player shares possession with a defensive player while he hits the ground – not having 100 percent possession, but not allowing the defender to have 100 percent possession, either – the simultaneous possession provision should apply.

In essence, this seems to suggest that it should have been Alabama ball where Williams and Reid landed, approximately the LSU 1-yard line.

by Crimson Ace on Nov 7, 2011 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

He did. The play is over at this point.

Both players are down with shared possession. Offensive catch.

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by figtide on Nov 7, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

A still shot is not going to answer this question.

Possession is not a single instant. He didn’t maintain control.

God bless our Dark Lord.

by CarrotTop4 on Nov 7, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the argument being made is "shoulder down = receiver down = play over"

This is one of those reviews where I get the feeling that whatever the initial call was, they were going to be stuck with it. If they had originally ruled it a completion, we would’ve kept the ball. They original call was interception, and they went with it.

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by SoGladILeftTheACC on Nov 7, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

This is a fact.

There is no way either call was getting overturned

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by figtide on Nov 7, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The plays over when the receiver is down

Or in this case both receiver and defender are down. You can get the rule book yourself here :
http://ncaapublications.com/s-5-Playing-rules.aspx

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by figtide on Nov 7, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

But the ball didn't pop out and the two shared possession

The ball remained in both Williams and Reid’s possession until Williams rolled over the top of Reid. By rule, that is a catch. Notice in the above picture, both players are clearly down, and the ball is clearly cradled in Williams left hand with his right supporting it. The play is over and the shared possession goes to the receiver. That is the way the rule is written. Otherwise, possession would go to whomever comes out of the pile with ball in cases where the ball is obscured from the official’s view. I agree that Williams should have continued to fight for the ball until the officials broke it up, but that is beside the point.

Now we’re even for the Patrick Peterson out of bounds play from 2 years ago.

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by figtide on Nov 7, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

They would say that

I believe Maze.

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Mm-hmm. They also said nothing of their equipment malfunctioned a couple of years back when the damn thing fell and nearly smashed Matt Hasselback’s head clean out his ass. You don’t just admit liability.

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by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Great comments, OTS...

We do lose a lot of starters, but we’ve got a lot of talent coming up. We may underestimate their talent just because we like what we see at the moment.

Another positive is that we won’t have a first-year QB. I love AJ and think he’s very talented. However, he did not come through at some key moments last night and I chalk those up to inexperience.

I generally agree with your thoughts on Jones, although he caught a couple short clean fair catches last night and I think we’ll soon be happy with him returning punts. In fact, I think Jones has huge upside as a player.

As for 2012, I like the offense – even without Maze and Trent and B Jones (assuming they go early). More experience QB, I think OL will be strong, WR stronger as a group,
Dee Hart, etc.) On defense, we’ll rerack the talent – although losing leadership of Chapman, Hightower, Barron up the middle will be hard to replace. We need to talk Dre out of leaving early.

by Richard Rodgers on Nov 6, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a chance.

If anything, that became even more certain last night.

by TiderInTN on Nov 6, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

if there is one position we could deal with attrition, its LB and DB.

im not worried about DRE leaving like i was with KJ.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't we get 30 that possession.

And punt from the 49? My memory may be off.

by glen55 on Nov 6, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

To not win a NC with this defense is criminal.

Please, God, you owe us after the Auburn game last year.
Let Boise, Stanford and Okie St lose.
Please?

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

add lsu to that list.

i hope those sorry pricks never win another game

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Me neither

But I’d start living in church if I had to.

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with TiderInTN, 2012 will be a rebuilding year. We all know it.

That said, we will be a dangerous team that will do some damage… But I feel deep down that the best we can hope for is that we can END someone else’s NC hopes.

Day late and a dollar short.

by TiderUpNorth on Nov 6, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Hell, lets go get some monster JUCOs...

We had one to get us to the NC in 2009 by blocking two FG attempts on Tenn. And he even ran the ball some, and everyone in the league feared him. His clones are out there and even bigger, meaner, and quicker. I bet if we look there are even some good kickers out there two. I still don’t understand why there is some inference that good kickers don’t want to come to Bama. Hell get some hungary ones at JUCO. Hell coaches come to visit Saban to see how he does it, well can we send someone to LSU to see how the mad hatter does it.

by BobM2009 on Nov 6, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

go get monster jucos?

your a genius!!!!

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I really wish people (here at work) would stop asking me about "The Rematch!"

I just want Alabama to recover and torch Miss State and Auburn… and their performances in those two games will say a lot about what this team is made of.

Day late and a dollar short.

by TiderUpNorth on Nov 6, 2011 12:31 PM CST reply actions  

My fear is with Barn and State.....

we are going to see conservative play on offense and find close games in the fourth quarter.

by BobM2009 on Nov 6, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

if only we had dem moster jucos.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

NO

I think the barn will feel the pain from the payback for last year and losing to LSU.
There’s really no reason not to go balls-out the rest of the way.

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I know it's a bitter pill today

We want somebody to blame for the offensive play. But that wasn’t New Mexico State we were playing out there.

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

Execution was good enough to win. Bewildering play calling and coaching decisions proved fatal.

I have nothing but love for our boys, coaches failed them last night.

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by R-Train on Nov 6, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah...

im pretty much done with sports for a while now. first the rangers, then this. fuck sports.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 12:37 PM CST reply actions  

im pretty much done until bama bball really starts up.

the mavs arent playing, the cowboys are fucking shit up as usual…

sports suck.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

The Lingerie League is still playing aren't they?

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by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Julio Jones with a sick touchdown catch against triple coverage

Just showed the highlight on CBS. Have to watch that one when you get a chance.

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by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 12:48 PM CST reply actions  

Was awesome

He dances well, too.

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

just picked up an 80 yarder too

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Just a grim reminder

Of what we lacked last night.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Nov 6, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

2 TDs for Julio!!!

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 12:54 PM CST reply actions  

The

other good news is that I have Julio starting today in fantasy…I figured the Colts would be a good match-up for Julio now that he is healthy.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Why am I in Tuscaloosa and getting Jets/Bills

Instead of Colts/Falcons? That’s silly.

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by SoGladILeftTheACC on Nov 6, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

It's on the Fox station

Jets-Bills is CBS

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Right. Just realized that.

My Fox game is Bucs/Saints. Also an I don’t care fest for me, with Ingram out.

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by SoGladILeftTheACC on Nov 6, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

The game choices

They keep showing Chargers games for some reason too. I don’t know why they think people in Alabama should care so much about the damn Chargers.

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by billycthulhu on Nov 6, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

80 yard catch and run

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by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 12:55 PM CST reply actions  

I stopped reading this...

at the Roe vs. Wade comment. For crying out loud, that’s too far.

by 106hgc on Nov 6, 2011 12:58 PM CST reply actions  

Too far, yet painfully true.

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

cool story, bro

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

it wasn't as bad

as the Alzheimer’s reference in the Meltdown thread about Tennessee, especially in light of Pat Summitt.

by Promeco on Nov 6, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

i kept reading

but that was absolutely out of line. really really wrong.

by nobodysmom on Nov 6, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

A bit extreme

But it’s his house.

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, that was way out of line.

Mathieu deserves a more gruesome fate and possibly earlier than conception, if possible.

Day late and a dollar short.

by TiderUpNorth on Nov 6, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

it was a wasted opportunity

But LSU eliminated mistakes in the 2nd half. As for honey badger, he is overrated and was only a big factor because of his cheap shot.

Les had his boys playing tough football, and they were smart to pull Lee as fast as they did. Jefferson forced us to stay honest towards the end.

Fumbles. It was always Fumbles

by DocFumbles on Nov 6, 2011 1:00 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

Eliminating

mistakes: Never putting Jarrett Lee in the game anymore.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

dez bryant...you suck.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 1:04 PM CST reply actions  

i dont live far away from where cade foster grew up.

im gonna go leave a bag of flaming poo on their door step.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 1:16 PM CST reply actions  

i can blame the kid for having a shitty, overrated leg.

with zero accuracy, and not that much power.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Did anyone here think Foster was capable of netting NFL-style FGs?

He didn’t exhibit such accuracy with the pressure OFF.

Day late and a dollar short.

by TiderUpNorth on Nov 6, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

people think getting kickers out of highschool is so easy, but its not.

they kick FGs off of tees in highschool. even with camps and tryouts without them, it can still be really hard to gauge how a kicker will do in college. for what its worth, both of our kicker busts easily couldve gone pretty much anywhere in the country as a kicker. everybody wanted them.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Imagine how Cade Foster feels about last night.

Despite being a starter for the Tide, he is still just a college sophomore man who wanted to do nothing more than to help his team win. I just think it is unfortunate that the coaching staff put all that on his shoulders. We all saw his performance in other games this season, and no doubt it was already a heavy burden to him. Imagine how he felt then being called on by the coaches to make 3 of the longest field goals of his career in the Game of the Century. Tomorrow he has to go to class and to practice and face his fellow students and team after they just saw their hopes for a national championship crash and burn. Before last night, few really paid him much attention. But now last night is all he will ever be remembered for by most people. I watched the following today http://youtu.be/C9DQoC5UxhM and just felt really sad for him.

by tndefender on Nov 6, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

that is exactly

what I was yelling about last night. We are pounding it with Trent and then we start with the cutesy plays. I wonder what we would be saying if Williams had caught the ball for a TD? Singing McElwain’s praises? Possibly. It is still ridiculous though that we didn’t run the ball as much as we should have when we got within LSU’s 30.

This defense is still legendary in spite of the OC.

I still love this team. RTR!

by Chuck Finley on Nov 6, 2011 1:18 PM CST reply actions  

twice we ran the ball on 1st down around the 30 on plays i distinctly remember, especially early on

both times they went for severe negative yards.

coaches can only do so much, there were some execution breakdowns as well.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

one thing we did not duscuss is how much beter we are if

duron carter was able to play this year..he would have given us the wr we needed in size and speed.

i also think we will be fine next year as far as talent..look at all the playing time our backups have gotten this year

by Bigrock on Nov 6, 2011 1:21 PM CST reply actions  

I watched a Cal game earlier this year

And told a friend if we didn’t win nc this year it was prob gonna be because we did not get keenan allen, that guy is exactly what we are missing in the wr corps, of course, he doesn’t kick fg’s but i bet aj would look alot better with him out there.

by tyslothrop on Nov 6, 2011 1:38 PM CST reply actions  

not having keenan allen has nothing to do with us not winning a national championship.

this is one of the more dumb things ive seen posted on here.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Keenan Allen

is one of the big body WRs that we could have used apparently yesterday.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

we were recruiting KA to play defense.

that and his step brother wanting a scholarship are the two reasons he didnt stay.

if he was here, he wouldnt be playing WR.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

you're crazy, you must not have seen him playing wr

he’s a pro wr, he would 100 percent be playing wr here, but whatever, lash out at me if it helps your butthurt, was just stating a fact about our wr corps being a huge weakspot on the team.

by tyslothrop on Nov 6, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

im not lashing out at you.

but its stupid to say that having one person on our team would have won us the game. thats idiotic.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

he fills a big hole in our offense

that’s all i was saying, it could have been duron carter, could have been him, but we have not been able to win on the edges at any point this year, and that has been our main offensive weakness as far as i can see. but yes, it is neither here nor there.

by tyslothrop on Nov 6, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

We

have no idea about what position he may or may not have ended up at. He was an athlete and the way he plays WR for Cal, I would be shocked if he wasn’t moved there if he was here.

It is neither here nor there at any rate.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

No circular firing squads, please.

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by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree. regardless of where he wouldve played,

saying we wouldve won this game because of one lost recruit is stupid.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Unless that recruit came from the loins of S.Janokowski.

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

IF ONLY WE HAD GOTTEN EVERY 5 STAR RECRUIT EVER WE WOULDVE WON THAT GAME, DUH

but yeah, we coulda used a janokowski clone last night.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I did think of Janikowski last night.

HE would’ve won us the game.

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by SoGladILeftTheACC on Nov 6, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

Zemek from CFN is on fire saying the play was a catch, not int.

by tyslothrop on Nov 6, 2011 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

who cares.

what happened, happened. no sense in debating it now.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Really, there's no sense debating anything huh?

lol, ok, why do we have blogs and message boards again?

by tyslothrop on Nov 6, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

to

make baseless accusations about the Alabama football team.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

FTFY
to make baseless accusations about the Alabama football team REC.

God bless our Dark Lord.

by CarrotTop4 on Nov 7, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

wow, because thats what i said?

there are a myriad of other more important things to debate about last night than that play. it was an INT. get over it, and stop getting your panties in a wad around here

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

This excellent analysis was more indictment than autopsy.

An indictment of coaching decisions, game plan and deficiencies in recruiting. I have not had the chance to hear any post-mortems by Saban but if true to character he will accept full responsibility for the loss on behalf of him and his staff (but he will give props to the defense). Adding to the pain of this loss is the realization that year was the last best chance in a while we would have to win another National Championship. You have to wonder what this might mean long term for our coach. Saban just turned 60 and I think it is pretty clear that the tornado and its aftermath altered his perception of a lot of things. He has made a lot of statements over the last several months about remembering what is really important and that life is too short and fragile for a lot of the stuff we worry about. In the short term his attention will be focused on preparing for the remaining games (especially the Iron Bowl) and finishing the season strong. Beyond that does CNS really have the desire to once again give up everything else in his life for the effort it takes to make another run at a championship?

by tndefender on Nov 6, 2011 1:45 PM CST reply actions  

+1

You can't win. You can't break even. You can't get out of the game.

by StablerRaider on Nov 6, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Last best

chance in a while for another championship? Come on…please tell me who is going to win the next 3 titles so I can place some money down in Vegas.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

nope.

this loss has caused saban to reevaluate his life and career.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

this

is what I hate about college football. I am assuming this is a tongue in cheek statement though.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

it is. im pissed about the loss and how it does affect things short term and long term.

but this is just stupid talk, and why i dont really come around here all that often.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

If Saban retired

He’d croak in a week. Did you see him screaming into his headset at McIlwain when AJ missed the open man for what could’ve been a score?
Classic Saban.

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by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't expect Saban to go anywhere

He is a football coach, not a fisherman. He will quit when he loses his edge, not before.

If he slept last night, he woke up hungry. And not for breakfast.

by glen55 on Nov 6, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that.

We all thought Coach was just going to tell Mcilwain in the 4th to give the ball to Trent,and let the chips fall where they may.When all else fails you give the ball to your horse and ride him.But I wonder sometimes what makes these coach’s run plays that have been proven to not succeed,or very little.Or maybe the big boys in Vegas made a phone call.

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by Crimsoncaller on Nov 6, 2011 2:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I

really don’t want to look at the boxscore for the game, but it felt like we did try to give the ball to Trent Richardson in the 4th…it was going for 2 yards or losses.

by Apeekrtr on Nov 6, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but they were going wide instead of running downhill.

I was puzzled about that.

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by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I was mildly surprised Saban didn't take over the play calling.

I know it’s offense and he’s a defense guy, but I was worried his head was gonna explode.

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by SoGladILeftTheACC on Nov 6, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Conspiracy!

Somebody put stupid in Saban’s Little Debbie.

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by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 2:11 PM CST reply actions  

F-in Danielson

All his corndog ass kissing had me yellin back at the screen.With all his stupid observations.Plus for the most part,cbs was stacked against us.I dont think I have ever seen Saban get so little coverage on the sideline,yet Miles was all over the camera’s. They hate Alabama,most of football hate Alabama because of our dominance.Fuck the networks,and bloodsuckers who have fed off this team for so long.

RBR resident Dogcaller.

by Crimsoncaller on Nov 6, 2011 2:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Bama only dropped to 4 in coaches and AP polls

I can see stanford losing to Oregon and Oklahoma St losing to Oklahoma.
I don’t know if we deserve a rematch, but I can see it setting up nicely.
And fuck Boise. Quit playing a FCS schedule and then come talk.

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by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 2:23 PM CST reply actions  

everything has been said that needs to be said, except...

losing to Les Miles is like getting kicked in the nuts by your retarded cousin. it’s not his fault, it’s your fault for standing there not protecting your junk. we beat ourselves, plain and simple. but God bless our defense. one of the best, if not THE best, that has ever taken the field in crimson and white. couldn’t be more proud of the way they played, and i already feel sorry for MSU.

by RJYH on Nov 6, 2011 2:27 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Now that's funny

I don’t care who you are…

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by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck

Yeah we’re all pissed to high hell.Fuck lsu and their purple,yellow fanbase.Fuck Mcilwain for letting Miles stick a foot long corndog in his ass.

RBR resident Dogcaller.

by Crimsoncaller on Nov 6, 2011 2:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

*mcelwain

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

He deserves to be misspelled after that abortion.

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

im lacking the love for him as well this morning.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Some good news

“Roll Tide/ War Eagle” on Tuesday night on ESPN.
Might ease the pain some. Those are some good docs.

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by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 2:35 PM CST reply actions  

I need to get this off my chest...

Saban could have written his place in history with a win. Not now.

The amount of pure, outright FAIL we demonstrated in the final minute of regulation and through the brief OT is staggering.

- if Maze cant move, the coaches should have kept him on the sidelines. Jones was called on to field a couple of punts and did his job correctly. Jones should have been in the game for the final punt by lsu.
- the final lsu punt can not, under any circumstances, be allowed to hit the turf. Run to the ball and catch it, then head up field. If we do that, we are on our 40 yd line at the very least. Hell, even if we allowed the punt to hit the turf, our return guy could have run down the ball on our own 20 yd line-then returned it. The punter outkicked the coverage. But what does Maze do? The punter kicks the ball and Maze starts walking toward our bench-he isnt even looking at the ball! WTF?
- the illegal sub penalty in OT was inexcusable. The plan in OT should have been TR up the middle 3x, then kick a 37 yrd FG, which is within Shelleys range.
- and AJ chokes, no other word for it, when he goes lame on 3rd and 15. Instead of throwing the ball away (at a receiver but incomplete) AJ falls down. The missed 52 yd FG could have been 10 yrds shorter. In the end, that prly would not have made a difference.

I am shocked that the game, from the onset, exposed our weakness in the kicking game, and that exposure continued throughout the entire game.

Frankly, our offense won the initial 20-25 minutes of the game, only to post 3 points.

Im no OC, but the shit I witnessed last night was beyond stupid. When points are at a premium, and your offense is consistently, at least through 3 quarters, moving the ball on an excellent defense, your coaches should be thinking about how we get the ball to the 20 yard line. If we do that, we score points. We should have taken a 1-2 yrd gain on 3 carries by TR up the middle and taken the FG. Our coached failed us.

At the end of the game, we fell apart.

Proud mini-Saban.

by Tidee Whitee on Nov 6, 2011 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

It wasn't pretty for sure.

In hindsight, yes, a lot of the playcalls left a lot to be desired. Hell, some of’em were questionable at the time. But it’s easy to criticize after it’s over when the result of the play is known.
I thought the Maze pick was a good call, and almost worked But no.
Saban made a tactical error in trying all the long field goals and sacrificing field position. Each miss hurt confidence and gave the impression that Saban didn’t think we could move the ball any closer.

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by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I know I know, no one cares, water under the bridge

but this is a good article on the simultaneous poss rule by Zemek, one of the two or three best cfb writers

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1125417.html

by tyslothrop on Nov 6, 2011 3:07 PM CST reply actions  

Zemek may be right . . .

. . . but the rule has never been interpreted that way in ay game I’ve ever seen.

by toofull on Nov 6, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Saban definitely screwed the pooch with some of his decisions. I was in the stands screaming that we should punt or go for it on those field goal attempts. Inexcusable. And we should have gone for it on 4th and ~2 near the 50 yard line with 5 minutes to go, up 6-3.

I don’t have a problem with the trick play to Williams. Dude was open. It was just bad execution on the pass and catch, even though it should not have been ruled an interception.

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by Zoltar on Nov 6, 2011 3:16 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed at many points

First, the decisions for long field goals were bad. After the first one, and no more than the second, I would have punted. Bad decisions that, thanks to a great defense did not cost us points. I wonder if we make those calls if our defense was not so good? Second, I agree the pass from Maze was a mistake at that point in the game. It seems Miles may be in Nick’s head – we are out foxing ourselves. With that said I do believe it was a reception, but was so close that it was hard to overturn the call. If it works we win. Any touchdown would have won the game. Third, the offense killed us with penalties and negative plays. Credit goes to LSU that their defense played hard and even when giving up some big plays, they kept us from scoring. They often created negative plays or we had penalities.Several times we had a loss on first down or penalty in their territory. We were then behind the down and distance – which always kills us. Second AJ did not play well- nothing highlights that more than the int and the throw on the wheel route. If he hits T.Rich he might score and we might finally score a TD. But in summary, as bad as I hate to say it, LSU is better than us – they equal us in offense and defense and they kill us in special teams. It may be a few years before we get back to this place as OTS said. These things don’t come around all the time. But don’t lose hope, we can still continue to be in the national picture. Who knows how this year will play out. We could get a rematch, but we must improve if we would have a chance to win a rematch.

Baptman

by baptman on Nov 6, 2011 3:16 PM CST reply actions  

Im not going to lie.

I cried. I am a grown woman who cries about football games. Not histerically or anything but those big silent crocodile tears of pure disapointment that you could drowned in. But I am not ashamed. It took everything to read this post, I just figured if I just got it out of the way sooner rather than later, maybe I would be less miserable all week…here’s hoping.

by RTRinGA on Nov 6, 2011 3:49 PM CST reply actions  

Nothing to be ashamed of

If you don’t care about the loss then you don’t belong here anyway.

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I cried too

This team means so much to me and I wanted it for our players so badly.

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by BamaBlonde42 on Nov 6, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Where can I catch a replay?

I’m interested in seeing the catch stone cold sober, not barely buzzing and jacked up on emotion.

by Derk Mc on Nov 6, 2011 3:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Hell.

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by outsidethesidelines on Nov 6, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Gets a little warm there, I hear.

What kind of masochist are you, Derk?

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by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Replay??

I plan to skip the 8:00 pm replay tonight on CSS to watch The Walking Dead instead. It will make me feel better.

Being good has nothing to do with it, Mikey. They choose your name randomly out of the phonebook.

by Mr. Kobayashi on Nov 6, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, The Walking Dead...

is a regular Sunday night ritual at the house. I’m not interested in the whole game, just the catch/interception/fumble on the goal line.

by Derk Mc on Nov 6, 2011 4:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Great show

Zombies have always scared the bejeebus out of me, especially the non-vegan kind.

Being good has nothing to do with it, Mikey. They choose your name randomly out of the phonebook.

by Mr. Kobayashi on Nov 6, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

nothing like a little intestine eating to make you feel better.

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by mr.peabody on Nov 6, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll be watching that too.

Hoping it’ll take my mind off things.

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by BamaBlonde42 on Nov 6, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

dear god why?

watching it live was bad enough..

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by bammer on Nov 7, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I still think we have an outside shot at a rematch championship or at least getting there.

If we take care of business and

OK St and Stanford lose to OK and Oregon respectively

OR

Arkansas somehow beats LSU

either of those scenarios puts us in the MNC game IMO.

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by Zoltar on Nov 6, 2011 5:30 PM CST reply actions  

good deal of "if's" there, zoltar

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 6, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

much stranger things have happened.

Yes, LSU will be heavily favored vs Ark, but it’s one game and anything can happen. LSU’s weakness seems to be the passing game.

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by Zoltar on Nov 6, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree strongly with the sentiments on Maze play

You people aren’t making sense. The play did EXACTLY what it was designed to do (the execution another matter). It caught them off guard and had one of our most dependable weapons WIDE OPEN. If that pass had been a few feet lower in trajectory you second guessing asses would be talking about how great it was. You can’t complain about vanilla, predictable play calling and also trash a play that has worked before and should have very well worked last night (wasn’t it Florida last year?). In fact, if we’d moved to a wildcat or occasional Blake Sims more often this season, we might be able to do what other schools have been burning us on for the past 4 years. I would like to see MORE of that for days when the traditional “run it down their throat” isn’t working. LSU has this in their offense and it helped them to beat us on Saturday.

Overall there’s too much misplaced negativity here. The kicker had a horrible day, but we could have expected that. He’s just not a high caliber player. But these are 18 to 21 year old kids. I agree that Saban and the OC were out-coached — In my opinion, that’s where the complaints should rest.

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by zarahoopstra on Nov 6, 2011 6:22 PM CST reply actions  

Yep.

The pass rush caused the wounded duck throw this time. Not sure about the out-coaching part though, other than the decision to kick FGs instead of punt a couple times.

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by J Tadpole on Nov 6, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Great analysis, OTS

12 beers, a liter of wine, a lingering cold, only 3 hours of sleep and I don ’ t know why I don ’ t feel bad—physically. I was not overconfident to believe that if our D was only as good as 2009, we would be 14-0. This scenario included a strong SC and stronger Arky, Florida, and MSU.

This year was like a dream. And if it can’t join 1961, 1979, 1992, 2009, then hopefully it can join 1965. We were ranked #4 going into New Year’s Day and pulled it off. However, it ’ s a different system now. It ’ d be great if Oklahoma knocks off OSU and Oregon? But what if the Sooners and Ducks run the table? Although they’re below us now, 1-loss teams who have won Big 12 and Pac 12 Championships might leap frog us.

by the thin red line on Nov 6, 2011 6:24 PM CST reply actions  

Question

Did the play that got LSU close to the goal line in O.T. was that the same one they ran on us last year to win the friggen game ? cuz it looked like the same play and they ran it on us all damned night.

Mathieu can kiss my ass that was a punk ass thing to do. Hes a dick and I hope someone hits him in the throat on accident ( but not really an accident ) to shut him the f*ck up. i understand that hard hits happen and all that but that was completely BULL.

Interception didnt seem like an interception to me at all… but the lack of people saying anything about it shows me I missed the call. PLEASE SOMEONE GET US OTHER KICKERS !!! BRING BACK TIFFIN !

    I hurt because our D is just too good for the season to lose its luster the way it has now. I hurt for those boys because damned if they havent stayed hungry

by lastmilefire on Nov 6, 2011 6:51 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe i missed it but it looked like Mathieu

grabbed his shoulder pad and threw him down.

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by jharrison2090 on Nov 6, 2011 7:59 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks.

Just saw it for the first time. Very unsportsmanlike. Good luck to Dre.

by the thin red line on Nov 6, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

The main problems are

1) McCarron can’t hit a deep pass to save his life. They’re either floaters or ten yards ahead of the guy. (Though I’m not sure that Trent didn’t whiff another one like he did in the Iron Bowl last year)

2) We have THREE excellent running backs. Why we didn’t just pound them in the face and use the short passing game the whole time I’ll never know. We used it till we got to the 30, and then tried to hit a home run instead of just getting 10 and moving the chains.

3) While those were long field goals, there is no excuse for trying more than the first one. Either punt, fake, or go for it. Why we never even tried a fake, or tried to go for it is unbelievable. Either way, you don’t give them any better field position than our poor decisions did.

4) McElwain seems schizophrenic. He does a great job with play calling till we get on the opponent’s side of the field. Then Idiot Jed takes over.

5) Saban didn’t have any balls that night. Every time it was a good time for a risk, we played conservative, and near the end of the game we played for overtime, where WE NEVER DO WELL.

by Durdens Wrath on Nov 7, 2011 8:01 AM CST reply actions  

Trent couldn't get near that pass.

If he was 4 inches taller he might’ve had a shot, but he’s only 5’10". That’s not his fault.

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by SoGladILeftTheACC on Nov 7, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

We played away from our strengths and LSU didn't

We should have punted, played field position and pounded it out ugly.

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by figtide on Nov 7, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

This one is on Saban

Sorry I know I might get blasted for this but he blew it. Is he a great coach, YES! Do I like him and think he has done a terrific job, YES! But against LSU he blew it. We can all cry and moan about kickers or McElwain both of which made mistakes but the ultimate responsibility falls on Saban. First rule of leadership, everything is your fault. He has the authority to override McElwain or fire him. He should know his players and their limations better than anyone. He coached tight and went away from our strengths. It’s going to happen, he’s not perfect. This one just hurts because it sets us back. I agree with OTS this year’s chance of a NC is done. And next year we will have a lot of YOUNG talent. Which means a good season but not great because of rookie mistakes.

by RTR1322 on Nov 7, 2011 10:08 AM CST reply actions  

I thought . . .

That the defense and Richardson were going to will the victory away from the opponent. That said, being outcoached by Miles so he can stand there and say afterwards (which made me ill) “Alabama has a nice team, they’ll do well with this group of guys . . .” or something to that effect, does make me ask “Why were thos FG calls made?”.

It made me gag.

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by Aardvark on Nov 7, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

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