Toomer's Corner Oak Trees Poisoned
by kleph on Feb 16, 2011 4:14 PM CST
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PrintOfficials at Auburn University have confirmed that the oak trees at Toomer's Corner have been poisoned with herbicide and are not likely to survive. A caller to the Finebaum show in late January boasted about injecting the trees and an ensuing investigation found that the trees had been exposed to "a very lethal dose" of tebuthiuron. The school has taken steps to try and save the trees which are believed to be more than 130 years old. Police are investigating the incident.
Alabama fans have seen less serious acts of vandalism to the Walk of Champions in recent weeks. From a minor defacement to the Paul W. Bryant Statue and to the grounds of the Walk of Champions. As a result, the university has taken steps to discourage any further vandalism.
Bottom line, these are all a reprehensible acts and have nothing to do with the rivalry between the two schools and respective football programs.There is not quid pro quo or eye for an eye with these incidents. They are all flat out wrong in and of themselves. The only reason they continue to be committed is out of some type of pathetic misguided oneupmanship in the name of team allegiance.
While ardent fandom can be an understandable cause to acts of excess, it is not carte blanche for one to behave as if rules of regular decency or the laws of the state itself do not apply. It is beneath the legacy of both institutions that anyone would commit an act of vandalism out of some misguided idea it somehow expresses their support. And to cross the line and commit an act of wholesale destruction of a recognized symbol of the school is simply unforgivable.
Toomer's Corner and Auburn's tradition of rolling it to mark the Tiger victories is something we Alabama fans mock mercilessly as a matter of course. Yet it should never be overlooked that the peculiar ceremony has become integral part of the rivalry we share with our cross-state foes. The loss of the trees would be a huge blow to the glorious cacophony of emotion that marks the Iron Bowl and the Alabama vs Auburn rivalry will be lessened for it.
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Bravo
Well said, sir. I hate Auburn, but there’s just no excuse for something like this.
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If the trees die
then I’d guess they would bring in some new trees already fully grown.
And, I agree, we don’t need to poison trees. That is childish and crimnal.
Besides, if somehow they stop rolling the trees, then WE are the big losers. As it is they look stupid every time they do it…so please let them continue to look stupid.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I love making fun of it! Soooooo high school.....
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by TideFanAtlanta on Feb 16, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
I had heard that it was about to die soon anways...
so I think they had a back-up or two ready just in case.
Fumbles. It was always Fumbles
yea but not for all the trees
this shit brick went full eco terrorist on the whole area
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Feb 16, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Me Tree Hugger
I hope they are tracing the phone # of the ’tard that did this from the Fbomb show.
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me too, I heard they said "23d"
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by tc16cav on Feb 16, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I wish there was a big wall around Tuscaloosa
So that the gate could be locked against any moron who celebrates this.
this isn't an "alabama" thing...
or and “auburn” thing. it’s an “it’s just fucking wrong” thing and whoever does it should go to jail. defining everything in terms of the iron bowl rivalry is what leads to this kind of bullshit. i hate auburn. but not to the point where i have a problem obeying the laws of the land to demonstrate it.
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by kleph on Feb 16, 2011 4:22 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
I am honestly surprised it has never been tried before
there are some pretty deranged people out there.
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Me Too
Shocked this hasn’t happened in the past. I agree there is no place in this great rivalry for acts such as this.
Auburn fans are like slinkys... not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Pretty sure
they have killed a bunch of them over the years. Mostly to disease….
Auburn fans are like slinkys... not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Didn't some LSU fan get arrested for throwing a bottle at it in Jordan-Hare?
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by bearbryantwonit on Feb 17, 2011 3:26 AM CST up reply actions
Here Here......
I hope they find this douche, put him in jail for about ten years, then fine him so heavily that he will be bankrupt for the rest of his life……then make him do community service until he is too old to physically be able to do it……his community service?…..cleaning up all of the toilet paper after auburn wins wearing a placard that says “I’m the asshole that poisoned the trees”…..and he must drink anything that is offered to him by passing fans…..
throw him in jail and hit him with the biggest penalty possible
drop the hammer so any would be shitheads think twice before pulling this stupid shit
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by Wallacewade04 on Feb 16, 2011 4:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
So I've always...
…thought people who blamed talk radio for radical violence are idiots, but kind of thinking this is somehow Finebaum’s fault. #justsayin
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finebaum
is only providing a soapbox for the sentiment that already exists. he may be a master troll but he’s certainly not coaching the callers to be dumbfucks.
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he does make them louder though
perhaps more discretion as to who he gives airtime could prevent the tension from getting so high… but that doesn’t generate as much interest
I can't blame Finebaum
for being the medium that this idiot announced his actions. This is a fool at best. I heard him take credit for the poisoning live on air and I don’t think he’s crazy. I think he was fully cognizant of his actions and proud of the probable outcome. That he chose to call Finebaum in the afternoon is no more germane to the crime than if he had called the round table at lunch. We have a person who will benefit from being cast as crazy when he is merely reprehensible and should be punished as such, with no mitigating factors.
If anyone wants to start a fund to help resuscitate/restock the corner, please contact me.
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by The Heffalump on Feb 16, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
I heard the caller and what he said was....
that he claims Tommers Corner was rolled when Bear died. And then someone put a Cam jersey on the Bear’s statue. So as he put it, “I showed them. I put spike 80 on the trees at Toomer Corner. They are as good as dead.” Everyone thought he was bullshitting. And the vast majority of callers that followed weren outraged at the idea of doing something that drastic to someone elses school. I guess he wasn’t bullshitting after all. Sad really.
We all heard about Saban’s house being vandalised with orange and blue paint.
Enough is enough.
yep....enough is enough.....
the most ridiculous part of that call was how proud he was of it……PF said to him “I’m pretty sure you can get in trouble with the law for that kind of thing”…..to which the guy replied “Do I sound like I’m worried about that? And you can tell Tammy I did it. Roll damn Tide!!”…..I vote to blacklist this sick motherfucker……he is an embarrassment to our fan base…….and those trees are not just auburn’s symbol, they were beautiful beings that has been on this planet for 130 years…..and there are just not that many trees that old around anymore……as an Alabama fan it sickens me to my core – as an environmentalist it makes me want to murder him……
perspective
it escapes you.
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by animalcracker on Feb 17, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
You expect perspective...
…from an environmentalist?
Hey,
lose the language! :)
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Feb 17, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
And seriously...
…whatever idiot thought this would be a good idea, I hope they do catch him and throw him in FPMITA prison just for being a complete fucking idiot.
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Yeah beyond being a horrible thing to do, it's pretty stupid in it's own right
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by BamaReturns07 on Feb 16, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Yep......
I hope that the day he arrives at prison, a busload of fat ass Russian convicts shows up at the same time and the guards turn their back while they all take their turn on him……and I don’t mean beat him up……..and I don’t mean gently…….
I'm just thankful...
the red-headed stepchildren were spared.
by Queen of the Universe on Feb 17, 2011 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
I too am surprised
that it hasn’t been done before. And I bet the perp is one of our “sidewalk fans” that the plow-pushers talk about so derisively.
If I remember correctly, though, haven’t we heard before that all the toilet paper was killing them slowly already? I mean, they roll the place every time somebody changes a light bulb correctly.
I hope they catch the guy, too. In the meantime, those of us who live in Tuscaloosa—especially on campus—need to keep a watchful eye on our own landmarks. Some chromosome-deficient crop harvester will probably try to get revenge on us in an equally stupid fashion.
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by DMaguire27 on Feb 16, 2011 4:33 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
chromosome-deficient crop harvester
i am now referring to all barners by this forever and ever. good one.
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by HoundstoothHeart on Feb 16, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
On a lighter note
If he says he had no idea they would die does he get off with out penalty??
Auburn fans are like slinkys... not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Sooooo....
Who’s signing up for guard duty for the new Saban statue?
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In all seriousness you ever want to see something like this happen, but...
It was a few trees poisoned, not the second coming of the Holocaust. Dumb and pointless? Yes. Should the wrongdoer be punished accordingly? Of course. Nevertheless, it’s just some damn dead trees. They’ll re-plant them, they’ll grow anew, and the world will keep on spinning. No use going over the top with the moral outrage.
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by outsidethesidelines on Feb 16, 2011 4:36 PM CST reply actions 10 recs
It's just a symbol of the cycle
Hate begets hate, violence violence. It has to be stopped or it will get worse.
This is clearly and obviously a step up from what has happened before. It is likely to lead to another step up, and so on. That’s why it’s so bad.
by glen55 on Feb 16, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
Some don’t think the “magnificent” wrongdoer should ever have to pay for a beer again, which I think is pretty shitty………
by Bobby Briggs on Feb 16, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
So you're against free beer? Comrade?
THIS IS AMERCUH
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by Slice of Life on Feb 16, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
and the bryant statue
is just a big hunk of metal.
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by kleph on Feb 16, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
don't forget Saban's lake home. this shit needs to stop.
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by TideFanAtlanta on Feb 16, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
If UA is smart...
…they’ll have round the clock security at BDS now. Which is sad that it has to come to this.
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They already do.
UAPD cruisers parked in the Walk of Champions between daylight hours this whole week.
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by animalcracker on Feb 16, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
izzy gould
talked to the officer last night and they said they were just there filing reports. the tuscaloosa pd say they have not started stationing officers there as a regular practice. most likely they just told an officer to park there while doing paperwork so there was a cop car visible. usually that’s enough to keep idiots from doing anything overly stupid.
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an old prof of mine used to say
Every man has a relationship with God, himself, other men and other living things. You can observe the latter two and make inferences about the former. Destroying 130 year old trees due to an accidental relationship with a certain land grant university is just wrong and reprehensible full stop.
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by sho' I stole on Feb 16, 2011 4:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
we could just build Denny Chimes back too
if someone destroyed that. I see what you’re saying, but those trees and that corner are a big campus landmark. It’s absolutely not acceptable to completely destroy something like that. If someone had just painted the trees or something, I’d agree with you, but it went beyond minor vandalism to complete destruction of property.
I’m no botanist, but I would imagine replacing a series of giant 100-year-old trees isn’t something you can do with a snap of the finger, if it’s even possible at all. Planting new ones on the spot means you wouldn’t have mature replacements for decades. I guess you’d have to find a decades-old giant tree growing elsewhere, remove it and a root system that would extend out in a radius of dozens of yards, and somehow move it and plant it without killing it.
by Matt Dover on Feb 16, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
OTS,
I’m not one to disagree with you often……but I wonder if we would think it was a big deal if someone, say, cut the head off of the Bear Bryant statue or something of the like……to me, it is not so much that it is auburn’s symbol, it’s the fact that something that was planted before there were cars has died for some dumb, toothless hillbillies’ satisfaction…….I mean, fuck auburn and the sack of illegal benefits they rode in on, but old growth trees like that are becoming more and more rare………
Ten to one auburn turns this into a money maker…….selling pieces of the bark or summat….
As someone else said,
as much as I would hate it if someone did something to one of our statues, those statues are replaceable. 130 year old trees are not. (Now 20 or 30 years down the road, the statues will be more a part of history. But right now, they’re more or less replaceable.)
How much longer till kickoff?
couldn't agree more...its just trees...
though i don’t condone it…i still laughed a little
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This is so fucking wrong.
Imagine someone taking an axe to Oak Alley or the thorn tree at Glastonbury http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/8192459/Vandals-destroy-Holy-Thorn-tree-in-Glastonbury.html. There is no excuse for that sort of malignant destruction. How can you blame the trees for Barners
Movin in? They can’t just relocate to a gated community.
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by sho' I stole on Feb 16, 2011 4:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Take the high road...
Alabama fans, the University or both together should come up with some positive act (e.g. a sizeable donation to replant mature trees) to defuse the poison this is bound to generate.
by tndefender on Feb 16, 2011 4:52 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I’d like to see a concerted effort from the administration and sports staffs of both schools to stop the hate.
Don't stop the hate.
Just the stupid acts of hatred.
If UA ponies up money for this,
I’ll weep.
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by animalcracker on Feb 16, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed....the university didn't do it....make the assclown responsible pay for it....
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This is the result of urine from
all the kool-aid being consumed in Opelika.
Hold my beer and watch this.
if you were aiming at funny
the only thing more appalling than your timing is your shitty sense of humor.
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Kleph, are you secretly the love child of a human and a spruce?
I think it was really crappy, but it was just a tree. Nobody got murdered today.
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by Slice of Life on Feb 16, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
if you believe killing a tree is a reasonable way to express your fandom
you don’t deserve to call yourself a fan of the crimson tide. period.
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by kleph on Feb 16, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't.
I said it was crappy. But I’m talking about tempering the outrage over the “untimely death” of a goddamn plant.
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by Slice of Life on Feb 16, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Those trees are an irreplaceable tradition. Yeah, they can put other trees in, and I assume they will, but those aren’t the same trees.
Many have said the trees were dying anyway, and perhaps they were. But they weren’t being poisoned anyway. Now they’re removed irreplaceably by an intentional act of hate. I think it’s fricking awful.
by glen55 on Feb 16, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
BTW,
I just realized that my AMERCUH comment above might be sending mixed signals. I do not support this act or acts like it.
I think it was crappy, but that’s the extent of my emotion. I was just commenting that I don’t get the vitriole directed at somebody cracking a joke at this event like he just made a plane joke on 9/11.
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by Slice of Life on Feb 16, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
No one is saying that sweetie.
It was just a simple joke. Please calm down.
I got a Daddy and he lives in Alabama.
the point here is that having a blase attitude about this
is what leads to the sense of permissibility. it’s not that it’s “just a tree” it’s a serious act of vandalism. and we should be clear that such behavior is outside the bounds of what we find acceptable.
if you hate auburn buy a t-shirt, flip off the team bus and call paul finebaum. but don’t pretend it give’s you the go-ahead to do something like this.
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by kleph on Feb 16, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
To reinforce
this is not an attack on a tree. Trees are cut down all the time to make paper, houses, etc. This is an attack on a point of confluence. People have invested these trees with a meaning that is symbolic and it is the symbolic value of the targets by which the crime must be gauged. My four year old son has several stuffed owls that he regards as friends. If a dog were to rip one of his owls up it is one thing, an act of nature, but if a person with malice, were to do so: that is another thing entirely.
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by The Heffalump on Feb 16, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Well said.
I’m not overly concerned if some random trees get killed. But these particular trees were a part of history and football tradition and were maliciously attacked.
How much longer till kickoff?
Agreed..
and yes, trees are cut down all the time……but trees that are over one hundred years old should NEVER be cut down or poisoned……this country used to be covered from sea to shining sea with the most beautiful forests in the world…….trees that were thousands of years old…….it was one of the most precious natural resources that the USA had…….and it is all but gone…….raped and pillaged to a point where kids will soon hear about trees like these only in textbooks……and those of you who think it’s just a “plant” and it’s no big deal……I’m not going to bother arguing with you……but it’s shameful……
On a side note
Why do you always use so many ……s?
by Barnerhater on Feb 17, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Bc he's secretly Rod Smart,
And “He Hate Me.”
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by Thomas Walker Esq on Feb 17, 2011 11:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Resource:
noun a source of supply, support, or aid, especially one that can be readily drawn upon when needed.
Old trees are wonderful things, and what this guy did was terrible, for sure, but to use the resources we have in this country in a responsible way (i.e. to build things and to replant newer trees) is not unreasonable. If cutting down a 100 year old tree is a crime that should never be committed, what about cutting down a tree that in 70 years could be 100? I mean, eventually they’re all going to fall down anyway. I wouldn’t have even responded to this, but to make a comment like you made earlier in the thread like “as an environmentalist it makes me want to murder him” makes me think you’re a bit overzealous about our “resources.” I’m all for conservation, but in the end, it is not the fact that they are trees (old or new) that is the problem here – it is that they are iconic landmarks for the university that were defaced.
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Feb 17, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
i see what you are saying
but i’m asking that more folks step back and look at the situation without the symbolism since it’s that same logic that led to the act itself.
if i hate my neighbor for whatever reason would it be wrong to poison the massive oak tree in his front lawn for revenge? of course. that’s a no brainer. and would i then be held responsible by law enforcement for the act. certainly.
because that’s how the authorities are going to treat al from dadesville now they have caught his sorry ass. and i’m convinced if more folks simply stopped and thought a little bit about things in this light, we’d have a bit less of this kind of stupidity.
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"Shitty sense of humor" Eh, I've been called worse by better people.
And over more important things than a grove of trees at auburn university. And before you project more of your rage on me, no I didn’t have anything to do with killing the trees.
Hold my beer and watch this.
it's not rage
i’m just pointing out the idiocy of your post.
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I believe he called your sense of humor shitty, not you.
Why do I have to bother pushing 1 for english? Im still going to get someone who can't speak it.
by crimsongiant on Feb 16, 2011 9:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i laughed boob....again i don't condone it but im not gonna sit here and
act like my kid just died….Im just surprised it took this long for it to happen.
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well said, Kleph.
I get OTS’ point in that the trees are (somewhat) replaceable, they were already dying (of the Boogs’ own doing), and plans to replace began years ago, but the malicious intent in the name of a fucking sports rivalry is what I find so appalling. It’s not good for the sport, and the crazy bastard broke the law, so I hope they convict him. If some damn Youtube video popped up of a boog pulling down Bryant’s statue, I’d be more than outraged.
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by Thomas Walker Esq on Feb 16, 2011 5:05 PM CST reply actions
Don't matter.
In barnerland,Crimson Nation will be vilified just because of some ignorant ass.
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and this is the other part of why this concerns me...
the natural reaction is to see the incident in terms of the fanbases. they did something to the walk of champions so we did something to toomer’s corner. they blame us. we blame them. and what we get is this bullshit cycle that does nothing than propagates this kind of stuff.
what i’m trying to suggest is at some point you draw a line in the sand and say “hey. this is just not cool. and none of us should be doing it.” the color of the shirt you happen to be wearing is irrelevant.
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by kleph on Feb 16, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
People need to see the difference between putting a sticker on a statue and knocking the head off of it.
that's precisely what i'm arguing against
both are vandalism. neither should be seen as “reasonable” ways to express your dislike of a foe.
a better test: anything you have to do under the cover of night so you won’t get caught probably is out of bounds. if you want to show the world how much you hate a team then buy a t-shirt and wear it in public.
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To the ones of you here that have expressed regret and outrage over this action
I sincerely appreciated it and thank you. To the ones who have minimized it and condoned it, I hope you understand what sick individuals you are. Again, thank you to the RTR people who are sorry this happened.
I just hope they erect the Saban statue/altar/shrine before he leaves
Wow, so if you minimize this and see
it for what it is…an act of vandalism carried about by a lone nut job…YOU ARE SICK.
I’m sorry for what happened. I wish it had not happened. Undoubtably some folks on the AU side are really saddened by the whole thing. We all hope the trees survive.
But, just because someone doesn’t get all freaking out sad over this I’m not going to call them sick. I’ll reserve that for someone who thinks it is funny when people, real human people, get swallowed up in an earthquake or washed out to sea by a tidal wave.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
by 5026 on Feb 16, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What this guy did could be considered a terrorist act...
…and for that he is a sick individual.
As much as I can’t stand Auburn, these types of actions are deplorable.
…and the escalation is what I fear. This type of thing might make some a-hole decide doing something to a building at Bama is appropriate. These types of things do not end well until cooler heads prevail.
Signed,
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by AlabamaJammer on Feb 16, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
What this guy did could be considered a terrorist act…
please tell me this was sarcasm..
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No, it wasn't..
…if there is a poisoning of the water table from the chemical that affects the whole area then by all means this is a terrorist act, albeit unintentionally.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
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by AlabamaJammer on Feb 17, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
doesn't "terrorism" imply an intention?
Specifically, to terrify?
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by billycthulhu on Feb 17, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Kinda...
…but I’m meaning in this perps mind.
Did he want to harm the trees? Yes.
Did he want to harm the water table? I assume no.
But think of it this way. If the water table was harmed will the area be terrified of the consequences? Yes. That is terrorism, no matter his intent.
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by AlabamaJammer on Feb 17, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Only if you use the English dictionary
terrorism: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
courtesy of www.m-w.com
I told them my system was based on the "ant plan," that I'd gotten the idea watching a colony of ants in Africa during the war. A whole bunch of ants working toward a common goal.
in todays world of terrorism...what this guy did pails in comparison..
all im saying is we need to put things into perspective.
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I understand you now. I think we both get each others points.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
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by AlabamaJammer on Feb 17, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
You are a prime example of the kind of fan who would have done it himself
It was more than an act of vandalism. If your statue of Bear was torn down an drug though the streets behind a Barner 4×4 you would be equally as offended. After all, it is just a piece of metal.
I just hope they erect the Saban statue/altar/shrine before he leaves
All right....
… you’ve made your point, no need to disparage any further.
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by outsidethesidelines on Feb 16, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you OTS,
I hope this stops here.
I just hope they erect the Saban statue/altar/shrine before he leaves
Go to hell.
Seriously. In other words, back over to TET.
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by J Tadpole on Feb 16, 2011 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was trying to thank the people who were really sorry this happened
and condemn the ones that weren’t. You sir are the latter.
I just hope they erect the Saban statue/altar/shrine before he leaves
Finger pointing doesn't help.
Can we all please try to take the higher road here?
How much longer till kickoff?
I would have done it myself?
Dude I wouldn’t even roll your car.
And, to be honest if someone tore down the Bryant statue all I would want is the guy to go to jail. And, I sure wouldn’t care if some AU fans laughed about it. In fact, I’d expect AU fans to laugh about it. To be honest it would not mean that much to me. Just build a new statue.
But then again, I’ve never really been that captivated by stuff.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Dude
A statue can be recast, a tree can not.
I just hope they erect the Saban statue/altar/shrine before he leaves
You used the statue
analogy, not me.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Let me ask you a question...
what if your father was a public figure and after his death people took a skeleton, repeatedly dressed it up in public in his trademark apparel, and belittled and denigrated his character and legacy openly, how would you feel and respond? Are these situations that much different, if at all? Should the dead be respected less than your trees?
"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"
"Pep talks... only work when they touch that ember of truth learned the hardest possible way on the field.-Kleph
by thecalicocat on Feb 17, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
And let me add...
I in no way condone the illegal actions of this man toward your symbol, but do not play the auburn people are on a “higher plane” card, myauburn!
"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"
"Pep talks... only work when they touch that ember of truth learned the hardest possible way on the field.-Kleph
by thecalicocat on Feb 17, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
fuck you...go back to rolling your GD tree....
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this is extremely out of line
ots reopened the comments with a request for civility. we would appreciate your compliance.
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really?
You are a prime example of the kind of fan who would have done it himself
Really? this “auburn” fan is a piece of shit. he needs to go back to his trailor and kindly STFU.
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or maybe you need to calm down
this kind of overreaction is exactly what lead to the situation we’re dealing with today. stop a second, look at the point he’s making and address that before letting loose with the f-bombs.
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are the MOD's being held to the same standard? no...ok thanks.
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if you dislike how this site is run
we’ll refund your money. todd asked nice, ots asked nice and i asked nice. i suggest you quit while you are ahead.
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For goodness sake people...
…be adults. Comments closed AGAIN.
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I love Alabama Football a whole lot. Its all I do, Its all I talk about but I love my family and friends more and most of all I love Jesus Christ most and I truly
believe to do that to there tree was wrong. And I think most of us Bama fans feel the same way. Its not our fault but it does look bad
R.T.R!
by julioforheisman on Feb 16, 2011 8:59 PM CST reply actions
It is not the fault of the Bama nation
I don’t blame them, I am enraged at the lighthearted attitude of some of the posts.
I just hope they erect the Saban statue/altar/shrine before he leaves
If I may quote The Lion King...
There’s one in every family sire. Two in mine, actually. And they always manage to ruin special occasions.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Feb 16, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
You voluntarily quoted the Lion King?
I think you’ve entered a level no other RBR commenter has gone before.
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by outsidethesidelines on Feb 16, 2011 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
From you I'll take that as a compliment.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Feb 16, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
I'm trying to figure out how this is a bad thing
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by billycthulhu on Feb 16, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Ahem...
it’s Hakuna Matata. But no worries.
by Queen of the Universe on Feb 16, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The comments section has been re-opened
Feel free to contribute as you normally would in any other thread, i.e. be civil and respectful to one another, no dirty sparring, etc. Overly ridiculous and inappropriate comments will be deleted, as always.
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by outsidethesidelines on Feb 16, 2011 9:04 PM CST reply actions
man...what did i miss? things seem civil so far..
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This is just awful.
In no way do I believe this is a reflection of the Alabama fan base. It is just some screwed up person. Every fan base has those horrible people in which your not so proud to claim. I’ve met my fair share of Auburn fans who are just flat out ignorant. I would like to thin all the Alabama fans who realize how childish this act was. Thanks for the sympathy. I do apologize for the uncalled for and malicious acts of fellow Auburn fans. All this high school behavior has to come to an end. A rivalry is okay. This is just too much though. That was also declared a landmark because the Civil War. I don’t understand why you would harm a state landmark. Again, thanks for the sympathy.
by auburn1125 on Feb 16, 2011 9:17 PM CST reply actions 10 recs
Any form of vandalism is beyond my understanding.
While stationed in Germany I witnessed, from a distance, a German guy accidentally drop a doner sandwich on the hood of my car. he just lost his balance and it fell there open-faced right on the center of the hood. It was funny. But the guy just laughed and tried to walk away without trying to clean it up. I confronted him and he refused to clean it up. So I proceded to clean it up myself….with his face. This is nothing compared to the terrible act on the trees, but to damage someone else’s propery is the same (to me) as a direct act to the owner of the property. I understand how some AU fans may not care to hear our feeble condolences. So any class that AU fans show right now, I am impressed by.
That white stuff on the top of chickencrap...... is chickencrap.
Well said!
"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"
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by thecalicocat on Feb 17, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
I just hope they dont come after something in T-Town
Were not all ignorant like that guy
R.T.R!
by julioforheisman on Feb 16, 2011 9:30 PM CST reply actions
I'm the furthest thing from a tree-hugger by far....
but this is pretty damned obnoxious. Obviously it doesn’t rise to the level of harming a human, or even an animal (I’m no PETA fan either BTW), but landmarks are landmarks.
I hope no one takes this the wrong way and chastises me for making comparisons, but as an enormously patriotic person, I know it pisses me off when some nut-bag burns an American flag. As much as I love seeing barners distressed, this was wrong. Far more importantly, it was just dumb.
Rolling Toomer’s Corner has always been dumb. This is just as dumb. If not dumber, since if this person gets caught, he’s gonna get an earful from both sides of the state. And I wouldn’t doubt if the Sierra Club or GreenPeace or some other group of vocal enviro-maniacs make this a national security issue. Wow…..
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. ~General George S. Patton~
That is one thing that gets me.
Is this an act of terrorism or an act of vandalism? Hey both are against the law. Both are wrong. Both should be punished.
I’m just not ready to call in the Department of Homeland Security or the FBI on this one. The Auburn police should be able to get to the bottom of this without much trouble. I’m sure when they catch the guy they can come up with enough counts to get him 2-3 years in jail which would be just fine with me. But I’d be all against giving the guy life without paroll.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Any video from the
Toomer’s Cam on this?
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Feb 16, 2011 9:55 PM CST reply actions
Uh oh...
The amounts of money given to Cyrus and Calloway’s parents was in the 7 figure range. 7 FIGURES. The AU staff has proof and have turned Saban and the gang in. The kids were still loyal to our staff and have helped us. They pain that those 2 young men had to go through. imagine God confirming his will to you, and Greed parents rob you of your blessing. It’s sickening. This tree killing will not go unavenged. God’s wrath will be on the capstone now. You don’t mess with his anointed. We will overcome. WarCamEagle. Toomer’s Will be Avenged.
after reading that
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry, regardless, I hope that a mental health professional is in that person’s future.
So sort of like the Curse of the Bambino
or the Curse of the Goat, we now have the Curse of Toomers. In this curse Alabama will never again win the West.
Wow, we be scared.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
"uh oh" is right
because there are some really stupid people out there. No one would sign with a university to be an undercover agent. It’s just. So. Dumb.
How much longer till kickoff?
Wow......just wow.......
I wonder if he really believes all that……..and believes that somehow the act of one lunatic will have karmic retribution for a football team…….and that God only loves auburn football……and that he’s f’n pissed and gonna come down throwing orange and blue lightning bolts…….they are really buying this crap that chizik is spewing about God wanting auburn to win……..
I can understand taping an Alabama shirt to the tree
but poisoning it? That’s beyond taking it too far.
Whoever this guy is should fry for such a heinous act.
F-U and ROLL TIDE ROLL!
Whoever this guy is should fry for such a heinous act.
Electric chair for a guy who poisoned a few trees? Seriously?
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by outsidethesidelines on Feb 16, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
Lulz
Though the groundwater deal could make it worse depending on how much was applied. Still though, capital punishment? Ha.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
No
He is forced to make the Auburn team a delicious meal of chicken fried steak and bacon.
Death, Taxes, and Tim Duncan.
heh
I doubt he meant that, though of course that would be the usual reading of that phrasing. I do think he deserves to be punished to the full extent of the law… meaning jail time.
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by billycthulhu on Feb 16, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
and ironically being forced to wear orange for an extended period of time.
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by Thomas Walker Esq on Feb 16, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
He was charged with Criminal Mischeif in the First Degree
A Class C Felony punishable by 1 to 10 years.
He will probably do something between 5-7 years. For killing a bunch of trees, that seems like more than enough.
more than enough??
how about community service while planting trees. Jail time is stupid..
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How about both?
I mean, he could go around planting trees, then sit in jail overnight to give his undivided attention to the crime he committed. Seems fair to me. It’s just like the criminals who wear orange jumpsuits at home who pick up trash off the highways.
by Barnerhater on Feb 17, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
ok sitting in the county jail is different...guess i meant prison time.
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Trying to keep this in perspective
This is a deplorable act, no two ways about it. This guy killed a BUNCH of living landmarks. No, they weren’t people, or animals, but he still shouldn’t have done it. You can always say “Well, come on, it’s not like he -——.” No, he didn’t commit genocide or kill a man (as far as I know), but that doesn’t mean it was an okay thing to do, or something to laugh off.
I just think it’s too easy to take things like this and try to “get back” for it. Like Kleph said, there’s no “eye for an eye” here. What happens if this keeps escalating? It’s just stupid and it needs to stop.
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Yeah...
Let’s keep that idea on the down-low. The Barn has several alumni that are astronauts… I’m not sayin’. I’m just sayin’.
I told them my system was based on the "ant plan," that I'd gotten the idea watching a colony of ants in Africa during the war. A whole bunch of ants working toward a common goal.
The Shoe has been on the other foot...
Come on Bama Nation…Grow a pair, quit apologizing to Auburn for this, How many Auburn fans apologized for the CONSTANT Vandalism of Coach Bryant’s statue, or the Walk of Champions? Both sides of our fan base have extremes, but thats not our fault!…
And your lying if you say you didn’t smirk a whincy bit when you first heard the news…
Just Saying…
by zerogonzo on Feb 16, 2011 11:02 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I feel for the trees
But the first point is excellent.
I didn't smirk, and I'm not lying.
And none of their vandalism (as wrong as it may be) has caused any permanent damage.
How much longer till kickoff?
Here he is.
Certainly everyone remembers gonzohog from redcuprebellion?
What a lonely little man you must be. I thought you were an Arkansas fan. Why are you even here?
Thirteen.
Finebaum? Is that you?
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by billycthulhu on Feb 17, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
While vandalism of any sort is never a good thing,
I have a hard time getting worked up about this. To each his own, but from my perspective, I’ve seen way too many humans (and animals for that matter) suffer to even give more than a few seconds thought to this. Yes it’s nature, a landmark, tradition, etc. and yes we should respect those things. However, the suggestions of people donating money to rectify this, wishing extremely harsh punishment on the person that did this, etc. is a little much. Just me, but I’d rather a criminal who has taken a human life, or sexually assaulted a child, take up the cell space before the tree mugger. Furthermore, those dollars would serve a child who didn’t have dinner tonight, a family facing hardships, and countless other causes, a lot better than they would the replanting of 2 or 3 trees.
by Not A Barner on Feb 16, 2011 11:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think a short tenure and finacel ruin would be ok
For whoever this ass is.
by chinesedentist on Feb 16, 2011 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I hope he gets put away for just a little while...
- in a prison close to Auburn - and then I hope he’s forced to pay for the damage he has caused, which he’ll never be able to afford on his hillbilly salary.
How much longer till kickoff?
A nice thing to do...
isn’t unworthy simply because nicer things could have been done. There were more noble things you could have done than posting your opinion here on this blog. You could have been feeding those children or helping that family, but instead you were here.
The confluence of opportunity cost and the Law of Large Numbers is a scary place.
Thirteen.
Very good point.
I’m not necessarily in favor of taking up a collection for it, but to say it isn’t worth doing because there are better things out there is illogical. Well put.
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Feb 17, 2011 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
If you'll notice,
I made sure to (at least 3 times) include that those were my opinions and how I think about it. I’m not telling anyone else how to spend their money or time, I’m saying what I think is more worthy. And for that matter, you have no idea what I do with my spare time. Some people actually back up their thoughts & beliefs with actions.
Again, this is a forum for commentary (as I understand from varying points of view) to be discussed. I was simply putting out another side to it.
by Not A Barner on Feb 17, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Auburn is planning a "Toomer's Tree Hug" Saturday...
it will looks something like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWVyJ-YG3ew&feature=related
"Have you ever been so pissed off that you start swinging a cactus?"
by fund3rburk on Feb 16, 2011 11:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
By the way has anyone considered that maybe the trees can be
saved? I mean it may not be over for them yet.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I wonder if anyone realizes how historical this will be in the rivalry?
30 years from now people will be talking about the tree’s at Toomer’s being poisoned. It’s pretty epic… I don’t think it was a smart thing to do… but it will be a story that will live in history, that’s for sure.
"Have you ever been so pissed off that you start swinging a cactus?"
I just hope they're not going to be talking about something worse that happened after this.
How much longer till kickoff?
Like "the 2011 epic 99-0 beatdown at BDS"
by Queen of the Universe on Feb 17, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
Listen, Mary...
If that’s the only problem you had with that statement, then sure, let’s say it’s Tennessee.
Then we’ll follow it by whipping auburn in the “2012 epic 99-0 beatdown at BDS”, adding insult to injury in that they weren’t even the first team we beat like a rented mule.
Better?
by Queen of the Universe on Feb 17, 2011 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
...yeah, you Jackwagon!
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Like Dante said of Hugh Capet:
You were the root of the tree that poisoned all Christendom; well, perhaps they will the same of Chizik and what seems to be Auburn’s inevitable fall.
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by sho' I stole on Feb 17, 2011 12:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Damn.
Those trees are the reason I taught my dog to lift her leg when she pees.
All joking aside, I echo the sentiment that this is extremely messed up, and I hope and expect that the offender will be caught and punished.
Thirteen.
I usually go on and on about the superiority of football over soccer
I live in Europe and football fans – especially college football fans – are few and far between. I usually try and explain to people why football is superior to soccer, and when I’m done I talk about how the fan culture is superior. I live in Denmark and we do not have a single great soccer team and yet certain teams’ fans’ understanding of rivalry is to beat up on their rivals’ fans, bring fireworks to the stadium, destroy tour buses and the like. This is lame and stupid and I really hate it.
The Iron Bowl is as intense as anything I’ve experienced and yet people don’t beat up on each other and you can comfortably bring your kids to the stadium. We hate Auburn, not the fans (well, we do dislike them). That is why we don’t take out our animosity on the fans. That is what this asshole did. He destroyed something valuable to the barners and that is pathetic.
What I am saying is this: We do not want to sink to soccer’s level!
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by bearbryantwonit on Feb 17, 2011 4:07 AM CST reply actions
Uh...it was one nut job in the dark of night.
In soccer a whole fan base is out turning over buses, knocking down fences etc. I don’t see how this compares.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I'm afraid this may be worse than I thought.
I think it may actually be a sign of the apocalypse. This from boris1s, al.com’s king of the idiots:
From the story “Former Alabama quarterback Greg McElroy confirms broken bone in throwing hand”
Boris1s February 17, 2011 at 12:34AM
Just the facts
Sorry for the bad news Greg fact
Hope it heals fast fact
Just the facts
No real Bama fan would poison trees fact
No real bama fan would b that ugly fact
No real Bama fan would even think of poisoning trees fact
Person who did this mentally ill fact
I feel for the aub fans fact
It would almost be like poisoning mike the tiger fact
R the Georgia bulldog fact
We all pull for our teams fact
But this level of hate is totally unacceptable fact
Football is a release and fun fact
NOT LIFE N DEATH triple fact
Shame shame shame another triple fact
Just the most accurate n objective facts
I NEVER thought I would hear that guy make sense. Scary!
How much longer till kickoff?
So, Armageddon, right?
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by Slice of Life on Feb 17, 2011 7:54 AM CST up reply actions
That many "facts"...
must mean its true.
by Queen of the Universe on Feb 17, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
And
There were a couple of ‘triple facts’ thrown in, just in case you were doubting the legitimacy.
I told them my system was based on the "ant plan," that I'd gotten the idea watching a colony of ants in Africa during the war. A whole bunch of ants working toward a common goal.
if this
guy killed them with what he said he did,new trees won’t grow there for years.this stuff is about the same shit as agent orange.
by ALABAMA POLYTECH SUCKS on Feb 17, 2011 10:23 AM CST reply actions
Can the RBR Word of the Day tomorrow,
be perspective? I’ve read some of your stories throughout this blog, I’ve heard the places where some of you have been, the things you’ve witnessed, and the events you’ve seen. With that in mind, it really baffles me some of the reactions over this.
Let’s all take a deep breath, a few steps back, and look at this thing. I don’t think there’s anyone out there that will argue that this was wrong, of course it was. It was also disrespectful, criminal, and hopefully it will not set off a series of like events. We can all agree on those points.
But really put this whole event into perspective. Think about everything going on in the lives of the people around you, in your own life, in the lives of people you’ve heard about or pass on the streets. All the events going on in the world, and where does this fall? In the grand scheme of things how big of a difference does this really make? Should we apologize for the deplorable acts of another? Yes. Should we let people know that we in no way condone this behavior? Yes. Should we be going ape shit and acting like this is the end of the world, Auburn, and trees as we know it? Hell no.
Again, just a little perspective will go a long way.
by Not A Barner on Feb 17, 2011 10:25 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I want your post framed for when they find out the water table was poisioned and this shit turns into Erin Brocovich 2.
And those who stand on this side you belittle are not acting like the world will end, but see the totality of the actions.
In all honesty this is not only about the trees, but the ecological damage that has been done to that area of their university. While they can be attempting to use the activated charcoal in an attempt to save the trees, the amounts used will cause for this site to be shut down, excavated, tested, re-soiled, planted, and tended to for years to come. I wouldn’t be surprised if this ends up leaving a scar on their university for over a decade.
Please, when you decide to call perspective into call, consider your own short-sightedness on the issue. Like you said, a little perspective will go a long way.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Feb 17, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
If it truly turns into a wide spread epidemic like you are describing,
where human lives are truly affected (aside from an emotional tie to a tree) then I’ll care a little more. My point is, for now it’s a matter of the loss of a few trees. We’re all intelligent people here. Surely we all realize you have to use perspective to keep your sanity. If you simply allow yourself to get so up in arms and completely freak out over every deplorable act that occurs you’ll drive yourself crazy. That’s all I’m trying to say. As I see it, for right now a few trees may die, that from my understanding were already on their way to dying from all the stress of the TP over the years. Time for me to freak out? No. If, however, it turns into all the things you’ve described, then yes my care meter will rise.
I just think all the people who want to question the morality of everyone not freaking out over this and the fact that the comments on this post were momentarily disabled because a few people didn’t necessarily agree with the tone of the original article is the absurd part.
by Not A Barner on Feb 17, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
In the spirit of full disclosure...
…my wife was poisoned by pesticides made by the company that made this chemical that was used, and while they purported there was no immediate danger to humans at the time, her case (btw, started the whole sidebar of environmental poisoning and pesticide poisoning cases, which means she just got very little money for her health problems while others are getting better judgments in the courts) helped reveal the problems with these agents. We’re now finding out there is a problem when these agents and humans/water tables/environments meet.
So while someone may look at my comments and think I’m going overboard I look at this issue with a different lens; one that is tinted with lies from these companies and the rubber stamps from the government to allow these poisons to be used, damned if they do or do not harm different types of life.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010
by AlabamaJammer on Feb 17, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry to hear about your wife,
that sucks. And as I said before, as soon as any human life is truly affected by this then yes I’ll care. But for right now, a few dead trees is way low on my radar.
by Not A Barner on Feb 17, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
“But really put this whole event into perspective”?? we are SEC fans dude, target market does not understand.
But yeah, this is BORN out of some dumbass not putting things into perspective, and he basically did it in our name. THATS what sucks, its not like I give a damn when any random tree dies. but this is going to cost a lot of money and screw up a pretty old landmark, and thats the best case scenario, but whats upsetting is he did it wearing the colors I want to be proud of and bragging about it on the radio.
by Alabama ManDance on Feb 17, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
the reason i'm so concerned about how we react to this incident...
is that we have a very important role in ensuring nothing like it will happen again.
when we say “it’s just a sticker on a statue” we allow the line of permissibility to get pushed back a little. when we say “it’s just some rye grass” we allow the line to be pushed a bit further than that. when we say “it’s just some trees” we are implying that the real line circumscribing our behavior is really somwhere a bit further out there.
the point is that these are acts of vandalism and by definition are out of bounds for expressing out fandom. period. and we need to treat them as such to stop this nonsense right now.
because how much of a jump is it from poisoning trees to, say, damaging the car of a coach or a player? and how much futher is it from that to doing something malicious that would lead to physical harm to someone? just a day ago you didn’t think it was possible for someone to do something this stupid and i’m here to tell you, nobody ever went broke overestimating human stupidity.
andy staples wrote a very good piece on this today and notes that this is a blow to the traditions that make the sport we all love so special. and, in that respect, it’s a blow to all of us.
the alabama vs auburn rivalry is a vast collection of intertwined rituals and traditions carried out at a frenzied pitch. it is what makes it so great. but the heights of our euphoria can only match the lows of our opponent. everything we love when we win — from rammer jammer to the presentation of the foy trophy — is now lessened. and for that we all should be pissed at what al from dadeville has done.
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by kleph on Feb 17, 2011 11:52 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”
— Albert Einstein.
by Queen of the Universe on Feb 17, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Getting the FBI involved.
From what I just read, AU is contacting the FBI to see if federal charges can be brought against the guy. Something tells me they didnt have to go too far to get in touch with the FBI.
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