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Wikipedia, the SEC West, and the Meaning of the Word "Rivalry"

Wikipedia calls Ole Miss our "rivals" in football, and someone over there is trying to give Mississippi State that same title.

ISSUE

In doing research for another post, I looked up "2010 Alabama Crimson Tide Football Team," which led me here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team.

Look at the chart depicting the season game-by-game.  Look closely at the Ole Miss and Mississippi State games.  See anything odd?  Anything unexpected?

Date Time Opponent# Rank# Site TV Result Attendance
September 4* 6:08 pm San Jose State #1 Bryant–Denny StadiumTuscaloosa, AL PPV/ESPN3 W 48–3   101,821
September 11* 6:12 pm #18 Penn State #1 Bryant-Denny Stadium • Tuscaloosa, AL ESPN W 24–3   101,821
September 18* 2:36 pm at Duke #1 Wallace Wade StadiumDurham, NC ABC W 62–13   39,042
September 25 2:38 pm at #10 Arkansas #1 Donald W. Reynolds Razorback StadiumFayetteville, AR CBS W 24–20   76,808
October 2 7:10 pm #7 Florida #1 Bryant-Denny Stadium • Tuscaloosa, AL CBS W 31–6   101,821
October 9 2:30 pm at #19 South Carolina #1 Williams-Brice StadiumColumbia, SC CBS L 21–35   82,993
October 16† 8:15 pm Ole Miss #8 Bryant-Denny Stadium • Tuscaloosa, AL (Alabama–Ole Miss rivalry) ESPN2 W 23–10   101,821
October 23 6:02 pm at Tennessee #7 Neyland StadiumKnoxville, TN (Third Saturday in October) ESPN W 41–10   102,455
November 6 2:37 pm at #10 LSU #5 Tiger StadiumBaton Rouge, LA (Alabama–LSU rivalry) CBS L 21–24   92,969
November 13 6:22 pm #17 Mississippi State #11 Bryant-Denny Stadium • Tuscaloosa, AL (Alabama–Mississippi State rivalry) ESPN2 W 30–10   101,821
November 18* 6:34 pm Georgia State #10 Bryant-Denny Stadium • Tuscaloosa, AL ESPNU W 63–7   101,821
November 26 1:41 pm #2 Auburn #9 Bryant-Denny Stadium • Tuscaloosa, AL (Iron Bowl) CBS L 27–28   101,821
January 1* 12:00 pm vs. #7 Michigan State #15 Citrus BowlOrlando, FL (Capital One Bowl) ESPN W 49–7   61,519
*Non-Conference Game. †Homecoming. #Rankings from AP Poll. All times are in Central Time.

Huh.

DEFINITIONS

Per wikipedia, the word "rivalry" redirects to "rival," defined here:

A rival is a person, team, company, or other organization competing against another person or team, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivalry.

Ok.

Well, I guess Ole Miss and Mississippi State are persons, teams, companies or other organizations competing against the University of Alabama in football, so they do meet the wikipedia definition of football rivals.  But, then again, so did Georgia State this past season.  Are they our "rivals" now, too?

Merriam-Webster defines a "rivalry" as:

 the act of rivaling : the state of being a rival : competition

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rivalry.

 A "rival" is defined as:

1ri·val

 
noun \ˈrī-vəl\

Definition of RIVAL

1 a : one of two or more striving to reach or obtain something that only one can possess b : one striving for competitive advantage 2 obsolete : companion, associate 3 <!-- End Google Analytics --> See rival defined for English-language learners "

Examples of RIVAL

  1. The teams have been longtime rivals.
  2. The men are romantic rivals for her affection.

Origin of RIVAL

Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin rivalis one using the same stream as another, rival in love, from rivalis of a stream, from rivus stream — more at run First Known Use: 1577

Related to RIVAL

Synonyms: coequal, compeer, coordinate, counterpart, equivalent, fellow, like, match, parallel, peer, equal Antonyms: noncompetitor Related Words: analogue (or analog); double, half, mate, twin; associate, colleague, companion, copartner, partner; competitor Near Antonyms: accomplice, ally, confederate, partner; advocate, champion, exponent, proponent, supporter, sympathizer see all synonyms and antonyms [+]more[-]hide

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Next Word in the Dictionary: rivalrous
Previous Word in the Dictionary: riv
All Words Near: rival

: equal, peer

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rival?show=0&t=1297003460.

While the definition per se seems harmless enough, look down at the synonyms.  Do any of those words accurately describe Alabama's football relationship with Ole Miss or Mississippi State?  Let's find out!

APPLICATION

I had already noted the "rivalry" between Alabama and Ole Miss that someone out there in wikiland apparently believes exists, and have commented on it in another thread.  Alabama's "rivalry" with Ole Miss goes something like this:

Date↓ Year↓ Location↓ Winner↓ Score↓
October 27 1894 Jackson, Mississippi Ole Miss 6–0
November 24 1899 Jackson, Mississippi Alabama 7–5
October 26 1900 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 12–5
October 19 1901 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 41–0
October 12 1907 Columbus, Mississippi Alabama 20–0
October 23 1909 Jackson, Mississippi Tie 0–0
November 5 1910 Greenville, Mississippi Ole Miss 16–0
November 9 1912 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 10–9
November 25 1915 Birmingham, Alabama Alabama 53–0
October 28 1916 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 27–0
October 27 1917 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 64–0
October 11 1919 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 49–0
October 6 1923 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 56–0
November 1 1924 Montgomery, Alabama Alabama 61–0
October 6 1928 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 27–0
October 5 1929 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 22–7
October 4 1930 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 64–0
October 3 1931 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 55–6
October 22 1932 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 24–13
October 7 1933 Birmingham, Alabama Tie 0–0
November 11 1944 Mobile, Alabama Alabama 34–6
January 1 1964 New Orleans, Louisiana Alabama 12–7
October 2 1965 Birmingham, Alabama Alabama 17–16
October 1 1966 Jackson, Mississippi Alabama 17–7
October 7 1967 Birmingham, Alabama Alabama 21–7
October 5 1968 Jackson, Mississippi Ole Miss 10–8
October 4 1969 Birmingham, Alabama Alabama 33–32
October 3 1970 Jackson, Mississippi Ole Miss 48–23
October 2 1971 Birmingham, Alabama Alabama 40–6
October 5 1974 Jackson, Mississippi Alabama 35–21
October 4 1975 Birmingham, Alabama Alabama 32–6
September 11 1976 Jackson, Mississippi Ole Miss 10–7
September 10 1977 Birmingham, Alabama Alabama 34–14
September 20 1980 Jackson, Mississippi Alabama 59–35
October 3 1981 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 38–7
September 18 1982 Jackson, Mississippi Alabama 42–14
September 17 1983 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 40–0
October 8 1988 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Ole Miss 22–12
October 7 1989 Jackson, Mississippi Alabama 62–27
October 24 1992 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 31–10
October 23 1993 Oxford, Mississippi Alabama †19-14
October 22 1994 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 21–10
October 21 1995 Oxford, Mississippi Alabama 23–9
October 19 1996 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 37–0
October 25 1997 Oxford, Mississippi Alabama 29–20
October 10 1998 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 20–17OT
October 16 1999 Oxford, Mississippi Alabama 30–24
October 14 2000 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 45–7
October 13 2001 Oxford, Mississippi Ole Miss 27–24
October 19 2002 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 42–7
October 18 2003 Oxford, Mississippi Ole Miss 43–28
September 11 2004 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 28–7
October 15 2005 Oxford, Mississippi Alabama ‡13–10
October 14 2006 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama ‡26–23OT
October 13 2007 Oxford, Mississippi Alabama ‡27–24
October 18 2008 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 24–20
October 10 2009 Oxford, Mississippi Alabama 22–3
October 16 2010 Tuscaloosa, Alabama Alabama 23–10
† Alabama was later forced to forfeit as part of NCAA penalties.
‡ Alabama forced to vacate victories as part of NCAA penalties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_-_Ole_Miss_football_rivalry

If you're counting, Alabama officially leads the series 44–9–2 (48-8-2 on the field), for an official winning percentage of 80.00%.

How about Mississippi State?

Date↓ Year↓ Location↓ Winner↓ Score↓
November 14 1896 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 20-0
November 16 1901 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 45-0
November 8 1902 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 27-0
October 16 1903 Columbus, MS Mississippi State 11-0
October 15 1904 Columbus, MS Alabama 6-0
October 14 1905 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 34-0
November 3 1906 Starkville, MS Alabama 16-4
October 21 1911 Columbus, MS Tie 6-6
October 18 1912 Aberdeen, MS Mississippi State 7-0
November 27 1913 Birmingham, AL Mississippi State 7-0
November 26 1914 Birmingham, AL Mississippi State 9-0
November 27 1919 Birmingham, AL Alabama 14-6
November 25 1920 Birmingham, AL Alabama 24-7
November 24 1921 Birmingham, AL Tie 7-7
November 30 1922 Birmingham, AL Alabama 59-0
October 31 1925 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 6-0
October 9 1926 Meridian, MS Alabama 26-7
October 29 1927 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 13-7
October 13 1928 Starkville, MS Alabama 46-0
October 10 1931 Meridian, MS Alabama 53-0
October 1 1932 Montgomery, AL Alabama 53-0
October 14 1933 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 18-0
October 13 1934 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 41-0
October 12 1935 Tuscaloosa, AL Mississippi State 20-7
October 10 1936 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 7-0
October 28 1939 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 7-0
November 30 1940 Tuscaloosa, AL Mississippi State 13-0
October 4 1941 Tuscaloosa, AL Mississippi State 14-0
October 3 1942 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 21-6
November 18 1944 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 19-0
December 1 1945 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 55-13
November 30 1946 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 24-7
October 23 1948 Starkville, MS Alabama 10-7
October 22 1949 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 35-6
October 28 1950 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 14-7
October 27 1951 Starkville, MS Alabama 7-0
October 25 1952 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 42-19
October 24 1953 Tuscaloosa, AL Tie 7-7
October 23 1954 Tuscaloosa, AL Mississippi State 12-7
October 22 1955 Tuscaloosa, AL Mississippi State 26-7
October 27 1956 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 13-12
October 26 1957 Tuscaloosa, AL Mississippi State 25-13
October 25 1958 Starkville, MS Alabama 9-7
October 31 1959 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 10-0
October 29 1960 Starkville, MS Alabama 7-0
November 4 1961 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 24-0
November 3 1962 Starkville, MS Alabama 20-0
November 2 1963 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 20-19
October 31 1964 Jackson, MS Alabama 23-6
October 30 1965 Jackson, MS Alabama 10-7
October 29 1966 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 27-14
November 4 1967 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 13-0
November 2 1968 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 20-13
November 1 1969 Jackson, MS Alabama 23-19
October 31 1970 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 35-6
October 30 1971 Jackson, MS Alabama 41-10
November 4 1972 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 58-14
November 3 1973 Jackson, MS Alabama 35-0
November 2 1974 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 35-0
November 1 1975 Jackson, MS Alabama 21-10
October 30 1976 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 34-17
October 29 1977 Jackson, MS Alabama 37-7
November 4 1978 Birmingham, AL Alabama 35-14
November 3 1979 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 24-7
November 1 1980 Jackson, MS Mississippi State 6-3
October 31 1981 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 13-10
October 30 1982 Jackson, MS Alabama 20-12
October 29 1983 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 35-18
November 3 1984 Jackson, MS Alabama 24-20
November 2 1985 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 44-28
November 1 1986 Starkville, MS Alabama 38-3
October 31 1987 Birmingham, AL Alabama 21-18
October 29 1988 Starkville, MS Alabama 53-34
November 4 1989 Birmingham, AL Alabama 23-10
November 3 1990 Starkville, MS Alabama 22-0
November 2 1991 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 13-7
November 14 1992 Starkville, MS Alabama 30-21
November 13 1993 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 36-25
November 12 1994 Starkville, MS Alabama 29-25
November 11 1995 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 14-9
November 16 1996 Starkville, MS Mississippi State 17-16
November 15 1997 Tuscaloosa, AL Mississippi State 32-20
November 14 1998 Starkville, MS Mississippi State 26-14
November 13 1999 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 19-7
November 11 2000 Starkville, MS Mississippi State 29-7
November 10 2001 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 24-17
November 9 2002 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 28-14
November 8 2003 Starkville, MS Alabama 38-0
November 6 2004 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 30-14
November 5 2005 Starkville, MS Alabama 17-0
November 4 2006 Tuscaloosa, AL Mississippi State 24-16
November 10 2007 Starkville, MS Mississippi State 17-12
November 15 2008 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 32-7
November 14 2009 Starkville, MS Alabama 31-3
November 13 2010 Tuscaloosa, AL Alabama 30-10
† Alabama was later forced to forfeit as part of NCAA penalties.
‡ Alabama forced to vacate victories as part of NCAA penalties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_%E2%80%93_Mississippi_State_football_game.

(NOTE:  I have no idea why all of the Alabama victories are showing up as white text on a white background - that is not how they were inputted.  Highlight the whole thing in order to show them.)

Once again, if you're keeping track,

Alabama-Mississippi State is one of the Southeastern Conference's longest-running series, dating back to 1896. It also has been one of the league's most lopsided with Alabama officially leading the series 73-18-3 (75-17-3 on the field).

Ibid.

for an official winning percentage of 77.66%.

Of significant note is the fact that when you try to follow the "Alabama - Mississippi State Rivalry" link, it actually redirects you to "Alabama - Mississippi State Football Game."  It's true, try it, it's right up there, at the beginning in the game-by-game recap of the 2010 season.  However, someone (I can only guess what shade of red they're wearing) is apparently trying to change that:

<!-- /jumpto --><!-- bodytext -->

Ibid.

CONCLUSION

These are not "rivalries."  Ole Miss and Mississippi State are not Alabama's football "rivals."  They are not "coequal, compeer, coordinate, counterpart, equivalent, fellow, like, match, parallel, peer, equal."  It would take either a healthy imagination, megalomania, or a flair for the (melo)dramatic to argue otherwise.  These are "conference games."  No disrespect is here intended for the fans or athletes of any of these schools, but they are no more Alabama's football rivals than is Vanderbilt (60-18-4) (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/alab/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/record-book.pdf, page 64) - they simply happen to be located in the western part of the SEC (and yes, I do realize that Vanderbilt is geographically west of Auburn), so we play them more frequently now.  In fact, Alabama's winning percentage against Vanderbilt is only a little over 73%, making Vanderbilt historically more competitive than either of these "rivals," Alabama's longest-ever winning streak came against Mississippi State, at 22 consecutive victories (Oct. 25, 1958 thru Nov. 3, 1979) (Ibid., page 65), and Ole Miss has never beaten Alabama back-to-back.

I recommend that people join the discussion sections of both http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_-_Ole_Miss_football_rivalry and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_%E2%80%93_Mississippi_State_football_game.  First off, by no means should the "Alabama - Mississippi State Football Game" be redefined as a "rivalry" on wikipedia.  Secondly, the "Alabama - Ole Miss Football Game" should be redesignated as such.

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