Wikipedia calls Ole Miss our "rivals" in football, and someone over there is trying to give Mississippi State that same title.
ISSUE
In doing research for another post, I looked up "2010 Alabama Crimson Tide Football Team," which led me here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team.
Look at the chart depicting the season game-by-game. Look closely at the Ole Miss and Mississippi State games. See anything odd? Anything unexpected?
| Date | Time | Opponent# | Rank# | Site | TV | Result | Attendance |
| September 4* |
6:08 pm |
San Jose State |
#1 |
Bryant–Denny Stadium • Tuscaloosa, AL |
PPV/ESPN3 |
W 48–3 |
101,821 |
| September 11* |
6:12 pm |
#18 Penn State |
#1 |
Bryant-Denny Stadium • Tuscaloosa, AL |
ESPN |
W 24–3 |
101,821 |
| September 18* |
2:36 pm |
at Duke |
#1 |
Wallace Wade Stadium • Durham, NC |
ABC |
W 62–13 |
39,042 |
| September 25 |
2:38 pm |
at #10 Arkansas |
#1 |
Donald W. Reynolds Razorback Stadium • Fayetteville, AR |
CBS |
W 24–20 |
76,808 |
| October 2 |
7:10 pm |
#7 Florida |
#1 |
Bryant-Denny Stadium • Tuscaloosa, AL |
CBS |
W 31–6 |
101,821 |
| October 9 |
2:30 pm |
at #19 South Carolina |
#1 |
Williams-Brice Stadium • Columbia, SC |
CBS |
L 21–35 |
82,993 |
| October 16† |
8:15 pm |
Ole Miss |
#8 |
Bryant-Denny Stadium • Tuscaloosa, AL (Alabama–Ole Miss rivalry) |
ESPN2 |
W 23–10 |
101,821 |
| October 23 |
6:02 pm |
at Tennessee |
#7 |
Neyland Stadium • Knoxville, TN (Third Saturday in October) |
ESPN |
W 41–10 |
102,455 |
| November 6 |
2:37 pm |
at #10 LSU |
#5 |
Tiger Stadium • Baton Rouge, LA (Alabama–LSU rivalry) |
CBS |
L 21–24 |
92,969 |
| November 13 |
6:22 pm |
#17 Mississippi State |
#11 |
Bryant-Denny Stadium • Tuscaloosa, AL (Alabama–Mississippi State rivalry) |
ESPN2 |
W 30–10 |
101,821 |
| November 18* |
6:34 pm |
Georgia State |
#10 |
Bryant-Denny Stadium • Tuscaloosa, AL |
ESPNU |
W 63–7 |
101,821 |
| November 26 |
1:41 pm |
#2 Auburn |
#9 |
Bryant-Denny Stadium • Tuscaloosa, AL (Iron Bowl) |
CBS |
L 27–28 |
101,821 |
| January 1* |
12:00 pm |
vs. #7 Michigan State |
#15 |
Citrus Bowl • Orlando, FL (Capital One Bowl) |
ESPN |
W 49–7 |
61,519 |
| *Non-Conference Game. †Homecoming. #Rankings from AP Poll. All times are in Central Time. |
Huh.
DEFINITIONS
Per wikipedia, the word "rivalry" redirects to "rival," defined here:
A rival is a person, team, company, or other organization competing against another person or team, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivalry.
Ok.
Well, I guess Ole Miss and Mississippi State are persons, teams, companies or other organizations competing against the University of Alabama in football, so they do meet the wikipedia definition of football rivals. But, then again, so did Georgia State this past season. Are they our "rivals" now, too?
Merriam-Webster defines a "rivalry" as:
the act of rivaling : the state of being a rival : competition
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rivalry.
A "rival" is defined as:
1ri·val
noun \ˈrī-vəl\
1 a : one of two or more striving to reach or obtain something that only one can possess b : one striving for competitive advantage 2 obsolete : companion, associate 3 <!-- End Google Analytics -->
See rival defined for English-language learners "
Examples of RIVAL
- The teams have been longtime rivals.
- The men are romantic rivals for her affection.
Origin of RIVAL
Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin rivalis one using the same stream as another, rival in love, from rivalis of a stream, from rivus stream — more at run First Known Use: 1577
Related to RIVAL
Synonyms: coequal, compeer, coordinate, counterpart, equivalent, fellow, like, match, parallel, peer, equal Antonyms: noncompetitor Related Words: analogue (or analog); double, half, mate, twin; associate, colleague, companion, copartner, partner; competitor Near Antonyms: accomplice, ally, confederate, partner; advocate, champion, exponent, proponent, supporter, sympathizer see all synonyms and antonyms [+]more[-]hide
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Next Word in the Dictionary: rivalrous
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: equal, peer
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rival?show=0&t=1297003460.
While the definition per se seems harmless enough, look down at the synonyms. Do any of those words accurately describe Alabama's football relationship with Ole Miss or Mississippi State? Let's find out!
APPLICATION
I had already noted the "rivalry" between Alabama and Ole Miss that someone out there in wikiland apparently believes exists, and have commented on it in another thread. Alabama's "rivalry" with Ole Miss goes something like this:
| Date | Year | Location | Winner | Score |
| October 27 |
1894 |
Jackson, Mississippi |
Ole Miss |
6–0 |
| November 24 |
1899 |
Jackson, Mississippi |
Alabama |
7–5 |
| October 26 |
1900 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
12–5 |
| October 19 |
1901 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
41–0 |
| October 12 |
1907 |
Columbus, Mississippi |
Alabama |
20–0 |
| October 23 |
1909 |
Jackson, Mississippi |
Tie |
0–0 |
| November 5 |
1910 |
Greenville, Mississippi |
Ole Miss |
16–0 |
| November 9 |
1912 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
10–9 |
| November 25 |
1915 |
Birmingham, Alabama |
Alabama |
53–0 |
| October 28 |
1916 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
27–0 |
| October 27 |
1917 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
64–0 |
| October 11 |
1919 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
49–0 |
| October 6 |
1923 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
56–0 |
| November 1 |
1924 |
Montgomery, Alabama |
Alabama |
61–0 |
| October 6 |
1928 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
27–0 |
| October 5 |
1929 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
22–7 |
| October 4 |
1930 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
64–0 |
| October 3 |
1931 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
55–6 |
| October 22 |
1932 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
24–13 |
| October 7 |
1933 |
Birmingham, Alabama |
Tie |
0–0 |
| November 11 |
1944 |
Mobile, Alabama |
Alabama |
34–6 |
| January 1 |
1964 |
New Orleans, Louisiana |
Alabama |
12–7 |
| October 2 |
1965 |
Birmingham, Alabama |
Alabama |
17–16 |
| October 1 |
1966 |
Jackson, Mississippi |
Alabama |
17–7 |
| October 7 |
1967 |
Birmingham, Alabama |
Alabama |
21–7 |
| October 5 |
1968 |
Jackson, Mississippi |
Ole Miss |
10–8 |
| October 4 |
1969 |
Birmingham, Alabama |
Alabama |
33–32 |
| October 3 |
1970 |
Jackson, Mississippi |
Ole Miss |
48–23 |
| October 2 |
1971 |
Birmingham, Alabama |
Alabama |
40–6 |
| October 5 |
1974 |
Jackson, Mississippi |
Alabama |
35–21 |
| October 4 |
1975 |
Birmingham, Alabama |
Alabama |
32–6 |
| September 11 |
1976 |
Jackson, Mississippi |
Ole Miss |
10–7 |
| September 10 |
1977 |
Birmingham, Alabama |
Alabama |
34–14 |
| September 20 |
1980 |
Jackson, Mississippi |
Alabama |
59–35 |
| October 3 |
1981 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
38–7 |
| September 18 |
1982 |
Jackson, Mississippi |
Alabama |
42–14 |
| September 17 |
1983 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
40–0 |
| October 8 |
1988 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Ole Miss |
22–12 |
| October 7 |
1989 |
Jackson, Mississippi |
Alabama |
62–27 |
| October 24 |
1992 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
31–10 |
| October 23 |
1993 |
Oxford, Mississippi |
Alabama † |
†19-14 |
| October 22 |
1994 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
21–10 |
| October 21 |
1995 |
Oxford, Mississippi |
Alabama |
23–9 |
| October 19 |
1996 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
37–0 |
| October 25 |
1997 |
Oxford, Mississippi |
Alabama |
29–20 |
| October 10 |
1998 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
20–17OT |
| October 16 |
1999 |
Oxford, Mississippi |
Alabama |
30–24 |
| October 14 |
2000 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
45–7 |
| October 13 |
2001 |
Oxford, Mississippi |
Ole Miss |
27–24 |
| October 19 |
2002 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
42–7 |
| October 18 |
2003 |
Oxford, Mississippi |
Ole Miss |
43–28 |
| September 11 |
2004 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
28–7 |
| October 15 |
2005 |
Oxford, Mississippi |
Alabama |
‡13–10 |
| October 14 |
2006 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
‡26–23OT |
| October 13 |
2007 |
Oxford, Mississippi |
Alabama |
‡27–24 |
| October 18 |
2008 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
24–20 |
| October 10 |
2009 |
Oxford, Mississippi |
Alabama |
22–3 |
| October 16 |
2010 |
Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
Alabama |
23–10 |
† Alabama was later forced to forfeit as part of NCAA penalties. ‡ Alabama forced to vacate victories as part of NCAA penalties. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_-_Ole_Miss_football_rivalry
If you're counting, Alabama officially leads the series 44–9–2 (48-8-2 on the field), for an official winning percentage of 80.00%.
How about Mississippi State?
| Date | Year | Location | Winner | Score |
| November 14 |
1896 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
20-0 |
| November 16 |
1901 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
45-0 |
| November 8 |
1902 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
27-0 |
| October 16 |
1903 |
Columbus, MS |
Mississippi State |
11-0 |
| October 15 |
1904 |
Columbus, MS |
Alabama |
6-0 |
| October 14 |
1905 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
34-0 |
| November 3 |
1906 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama |
16-4 |
| October 21 |
1911 |
Columbus, MS |
Tie |
6-6 |
| October 18 |
1912 |
Aberdeen, MS |
Mississippi State |
7-0 |
| November 27 |
1913 |
Birmingham, AL |
Mississippi State |
7-0 |
| November 26 |
1914 |
Birmingham, AL |
Mississippi State |
9-0 |
| November 27 |
1919 |
Birmingham, AL |
Alabama |
14-6 |
| November 25 |
1920 |
Birmingham, AL |
Alabama |
24-7 |
| November 24 |
1921 |
Birmingham, AL |
Tie |
7-7 |
| November 30 |
1922 |
Birmingham, AL |
Alabama |
59-0 |
| October 31 |
1925 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
6-0 |
| October 9 |
1926 |
Meridian, MS |
Alabama |
26-7 |
| October 29 |
1927 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
13-7 |
| October 13 |
1928 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama |
46-0 |
| October 10 |
1931 |
Meridian, MS |
Alabama |
53-0 |
| October 1 |
1932 |
Montgomery, AL |
Alabama |
53-0 |
| October 14 |
1933 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
18-0 |
| October 13 |
1934 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
41-0 |
| October 12 |
1935 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Mississippi State |
20-7 |
| October 10 |
1936 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
7-0 |
| October 28 |
1939 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
7-0 |
| November 30 |
1940 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Mississippi State |
13-0 |
| October 4 |
1941 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Mississippi State |
14-0 |
| October 3 |
1942 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
21-6 |
| November 18 |
1944 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
19-0 |
| December 1 |
1945 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
55-13 |
| November 30 |
1946 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
24-7 |
| October 23 |
1948 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama |
10-7 |
| October 22 |
1949 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
35-6 |
| October 28 |
1950 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
14-7 |
| October 27 |
1951 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama |
7-0 |
| October 25 |
1952 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
42-19 |
| October 24 |
1953 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Tie |
7-7 |
| October 23 |
1954 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Mississippi State |
12-7 |
| October 22 |
1955 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Mississippi State |
26-7 |
| October 27 |
1956 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
13-12 |
| October 26 |
1957 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Mississippi State |
25-13 |
| October 25 |
1958 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama |
9-7 |
| October 31 |
1959 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
10-0 |
| October 29 |
1960 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama |
7-0 |
| November 4 |
1961 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
24-0 |
| November 3 |
1962 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama |
20-0 |
| November 2 |
1963 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
20-19 |
| October 31 |
1964 |
Jackson, MS |
Alabama |
23-6 |
| October 30 |
1965 |
Jackson, MS |
Alabama |
10-7 |
| October 29 |
1966 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
27-14 |
| November 4 |
1967 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
13-0 |
| November 2 |
1968 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
20-13 |
| November 1 |
1969 |
Jackson, MS |
Alabama |
23-19 |
| October 31 |
1970 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
35-6 |
| October 30 |
1971 |
Jackson, MS |
Alabama |
41-10 |
| November 4 |
1972 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
58-14 |
| November 3 |
1973 |
Jackson, MS |
Alabama |
35-0 |
| November 2 |
1974 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
35-0 |
| November 1 |
1975 |
Jackson, MS |
Alabama |
21-10 |
| October 30 |
1976 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
34-17 |
| October 29 |
1977 |
Jackson, MS |
Alabama |
37-7 |
| November 4 |
1978 |
Birmingham, AL |
Alabama |
35-14 |
| November 3 |
1979 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
24-7 |
| November 1 |
1980 |
Jackson, MS |
Mississippi State |
6-3 |
| October 31 |
1981 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
13-10 |
| October 30 |
1982 |
Jackson, MS |
Alabama |
20-12 |
| October 29 |
1983 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
35-18 |
| November 3 |
1984 |
Jackson, MS |
Alabama |
24-20 |
| November 2 |
1985 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
44-28 |
| November 1 |
1986 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama |
38-3 |
| October 31 |
1987 |
Birmingham, AL |
Alabama |
21-18 |
| October 29 |
1988 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama |
53-34 |
| November 4 |
1989 |
Birmingham, AL |
Alabama |
23-10 |
| November 3 |
1990 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama |
22-0 |
| November 2 |
1991 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
13-7 |
| November 14 |
1992 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama |
30-21 |
| November 13 |
1993 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama† |
36-25 |
| November 12 |
1994 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama |
29-25 |
| November 11 |
1995 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
14-9 |
| November 16 |
1996 |
Starkville, MS |
Mississippi State |
17-16 |
| November 15 |
1997 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Mississippi State |
32-20 |
| November 14 |
1998 |
Starkville, MS |
Mississippi State |
26-14 |
| November 13 |
1999 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
19-7 |
| November 11 |
2000 |
Starkville, MS |
Mississippi State |
29-7 |
| November 10 |
2001 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
24-17 |
| November 9 |
2002 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
28-14 |
| November 8 |
2003 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama |
38-0 |
| November 6 |
2004 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
30-14 |
| November 5 |
2005 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama‡ |
17-0 |
| November 4 |
2006 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Mississippi State |
24-16 |
| November 10 |
2007 |
Starkville, MS |
Mississippi State |
17-12 |
| November 15 |
2008 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
32-7 |
| November 14 |
2009 |
Starkville, MS |
Alabama |
31-3 |
| November 13 |
2010 |
Tuscaloosa, AL |
Alabama |
30-10 |
† Alabama was later forced to forfeit as part of NCAA penalties. ‡ Alabama forced to vacate victories as part of NCAA penalties. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_%E2%80%93_Mississippi_State_football_game.
(NOTE: I have no idea why all of the Alabama victories are showing up as white text on a white background - that is not how they were inputted. Highlight the whole thing in order to show them.)
Once again, if you're keeping track,
Alabama-Mississippi State is one of the Southeastern Conference's longest-running series, dating back to 1896. It also has been one of the league's most lopsided with Alabama officially leading the series 73-18-3 (75-17-3 on the field).
Ibid.
for an official winning percentage of 77.66%.
Of significant note is the fact that when you try to follow the "Alabama - Mississippi State Rivalry" link, it actually redirects you to "Alabama - Mississippi State Football Game." It's true, try it, it's right up there, at the beginning in the game-by-game recap of the 2010 season. However, someone (I can only guess what shade of red they're wearing) is apparently trying to change that:
<!-- /jumpto --><!-- bodytext -->
Ibid.
CONCLUSION
These are not "rivalries." Ole Miss and Mississippi State are not Alabama's football "rivals." They are not "coequal, compeer, coordinate, counterpart, equivalent, fellow, like, match, parallel, peer, equal." It would take either a healthy imagination, megalomania, or a flair for the (melo)dramatic to argue otherwise. These are "conference games." No disrespect is here intended for the fans or athletes of any of these schools, but they are no more Alabama's football rivals than is Vanderbilt (60-18-4) (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/alab/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/record-book.pdf, page 64) - they simply happen to be located in the western part of the SEC (and yes, I do realize that Vanderbilt is geographically west of Auburn), so we play them more frequently now. In fact, Alabama's winning percentage against Vanderbilt is only a little over 73%, making Vanderbilt historically more competitive than either of these "rivals," Alabama's longest-ever winning streak came against Mississippi State, at 22 consecutive victories (Oct. 25, 1958 thru Nov. 3, 1979) (Ibid., page 65), and Ole Miss has never beaten Alabama back-to-back.
I recommend that people join the discussion sections of both http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_-_Ole_Miss_football_rivalry and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_%E2%80%93_Mississippi_State_football_game. First off, by no means should the "Alabama - Mississippi State Football Game" be redefined as a "rivalry" on wikipedia. Secondly, the "Alabama - Ole Miss Football Game" should be redesignated as such.
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