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Alabama By the Numbers: Penalties

Few things in a football game are more frustrating than watching your team kill itself with needless penalties. Not only do you watch precious yardage evaporate for no reason whatsoever but you also have to listen to some brainless announcer bloviate about the infraction while the zebras discuss the matter.

Now as much as a particular penalty might seem to affect a given drive, research shows that preponderance of yellow flags have a limited effect on win totals. Or, as Football Outsiders put it: "Teams with more offensive penalties generally lose more games, but there is no correlation between defensive penalties and losses."

Which might be the case, but that doesn't address the fact that a team prone to penalties is one lacking in discipline. That's a particular little gremlin that might quite well show up elsewhere, say in blown coverage or missed blocking assignments. 

With that in mind, I went back and looked at every SEC team's penalty totals for last season. Here's how they matched up by yards per game:

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It isn't overly suprising that Alabama was easily the least penalized team in the conference last season. Avoiding penalties is pretty high on Coach Saban's list of priorities. His playbook makes it abundantly clear: "Must eliminate all undisciplined penalties."

The Crimson Tide not only had fewer penalties than any other team (66) but also the least yards lost (490). To compare, Arkansas, the most penalized team in the conference had half as many more yellow flags thrown at them during the season for 340 yards more than the Crimson Tide lost. 

BUT PAWWLLL!!! IT'S A BAMMER CONSPIRACY!!!

Actually, it's not. Alabama last lead the conference in fewest penalty yards per game in 2007. Not a season recalled with relish around these parts. And the Crimson Tide came in third in the SEC during the 2009 National Championship run. Only Kentucky and the Lane Kiffin-led Volunteers were less penalized during that season.

Alabama Average Penalty Yards/Game
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Thanks for the post Kleph.

One thought: it seems to me that if you have a total number that is composed of two factors (one which has a direct correlation to win totals and one that has no correlation) it makes sense to segregate them.

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by Slice of Life on Jun 29, 2011 8:11 AM CDT reply actions  

It would certainly be interesting to see,

but I seriously doubt that data is available, outside of parsing play-by-play accounts of the games.

by Orlando McCain on Jun 29, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

given the amount of data that suggests the info is of limited use

i simply put together this quick comparison in order to give a benchmark on how well the team has done in meeting coach saban’s specific goals. while i’m somewhat curious about the details, it seems the value of the data really wouldn’t be worth the amount of time it would take to hash out.

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by kleph on Jun 29, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

With relish

Mmmm…relish!

"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"

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by thecalicocat on Jun 29, 2011 9:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Experience

Or rather, inexperience, complicates the question on penalties from lack of discipline. I’ll bet you that if you did go through the Bama 2010 season penalty by penalty, you’ll find that the vast majority of them were committed by relatively younger players, and then by those that were older but had relatively little playing time.

That is indirectly a discipline issue, in that it is a learned skill. But it will make a difference in the totals for the team if this discipline is learned, versus some teams I have seen where it apparently is not.

by Steven Mitchell on Jun 29, 2011 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

False start on Chance Warmack?

I fell in love with Rolando McClain the first time I saw him. Unfortunately, he still doesn't know my name ;)

by SoGladILeftTheACC on Jun 29, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I bet that image still give Julio nightmares...

It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.

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by AlabamaJammer on Jun 29, 2011 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

actually

he got over it pretty quick.

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by kleph on Jun 29, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very true...

…and every time I see that TD I can’t help but think how deceptive his speed is. It almost looks like he’s just jogging in the park.

It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.

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by AlabamaJammer on Jun 29, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was awesome to see live

it was like seeing a freight train going full speed blow by.

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by kleph on Jun 29, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

but does it matter?

First off, the use of the word “bloviate” makes me smile. Just so you know.

Here’s the question: Do the aggregate number of penalties matter? Matt explored this here (among other places): http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Florida-celebration-backfiring-on-Georgia-by-spa?urn=ncaaf-115401
Essentially, his argument is that it’s an issue of timing, not quantity.

I’d argue that the most telling thing about the quantity of flags is that they tend to reflect on the coaching staff. Auburn’s penalty numbers, for example — not just the totals but the types of fouls — were to me indicative of a coaching staff that wasn’t bothering to control its players. The same with LSU and Ole Miss — to me, those are programs whose players obviously don’t think major-distance fouls are much of a big deal. There’s a famous (and possibly apocryphal) story about Coach Bryant telling a player who’d just committed 2 penalties, “You’ll never be good enough to cost us 30 yards!” I wonder if that message is communicated as well in other places.

by Firewillheath on Jun 29, 2011 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

well, i'd argue it's more of a question of discipline

and players (or a team) susceptible to penalties are likely to have other lapses in their game. some of this, as pointed out above, is attributable to experience but there is a degree it is coachable. that part seems to be what coach saban’s efforts are aimed at and, it seems, rather successfully.

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by kleph on Jun 29, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say that

the more penalties a team commits, the more likely the timing of those penalties will be bad. I don’t have any hard data on this, but he mentioned Miles’ championship LSU team as one of the more penalized teams in there, and it would be very hard for me to believe that fewer penalties that season directly lead to them not having to resort to his mad antics that scraped them through several games by sheer luck.

As for his argument that an 0-6 Washington team was the least penalized team in the nation, I think it is the case many times that inexperience can also lead to a lack of aggressiveness that, while resulting in fewer penalties will also slow a team down to the point that they lose a lot. I don’t know if that was the case for Washington specifically, but if you don’t get off the snap quickly, you won’t get called for offsides very much, but you’ll also get pushed all over the field.

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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jun 29, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think you are spot on here
the more penalties a team commits, the more likely the timing of those penalties will be bad.

this, if i am not mistaken, is the core of saban’s philosophy on this issue. by aiming at eliminating all penalties, you are reducing the chances of having the ones which really hurt you occur. or, to use the example above, last season alabama was 40% less likely to have that killer penalty occur in any given game than arkansas.

it’s very similar to the turnover situation we looked at two weeks ago. you can’t control where the ball bounces when it hits the ground, but you can work on reducing the drops to a minimum.

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by kleph on Jun 29, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I work on reducing the drops to a minimum...

…with this…

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 29, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

You are going to have freshman mistakes. Coaching says how long and how severe you are going to have them from a given player. Bad enough coaching, you might still be having them at graduation. Given that overall team experience moves a bit, it might be a moving target. There might even be more penalties in certain positions than others, thus making inexperience more felt at times. But coaching will mean that the average will be favorable compared to your peers, at the margins.

Was it Saban that said early in his Bama tenure that if he was going to have freshman mistakes, it would be freshman making them? Or have I got that confused with an earlier coach? I took that very much to intend a focus on learned discipline paying off over time, even at the expense of now.

by Steven Mitchell on Jun 29, 2011 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

This...
“Teams with more offensive penalties generally lose more games, but there is no correlation between defensive penalties and losses.”

…does not comfort me much, since we are replacing more players on offense than defense this season. However, the fact that we return four starters on the offensive line does mitigate my anxiety, as well as the aforementioned tendency of CNS to rip the head off of any player who costs his team thusly….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 29, 2011 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

This calls for some MANCOVA peeps.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 29, 2011 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the overall decrease in Alabama's penalties is remarkable when you consider

regimes like DuBose and Shula. It was always discomforting (for me) to see that Alabama had players who put as much energy into on-field celebrations as they put into executing their plays. I say this because the discipline and maturity exhibited by the Saban teams is a far cry from where we were not too long ago. You have to admit that Tide players’ celebrations are muted compared to the recent past.

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by TiderUpNorth on Jun 29, 2011 6:22 PM CDT reply actions  

The penalties...

…under DuBose made me want to puke every Saturday….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 29, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would have bet money GA was the most penailzed in the SEC.

Watched several of their games in 2010 and it was one misque after another.

Proud mini-Saban.

by Tidee Whitee on Jun 30, 2011 6:08 AM CDT reply actions  

That spelling of 'misque'...

…deeply, deeply disturbing….

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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 30, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

it's from the quechua

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by kleph on Jun 30, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

The first time I read it, I wondered what mosques had to do with UGA football.

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by SoGladILeftTheACC on Jun 30, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

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