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As much as I hate even linking to this non-sense, the T-Town Menswear story has become a "sort of story" with local media checking it out and UA now forced to actually comment on it beyond "yeah, we took care of that months ago." The question we all have to ask ourselves right now is "do I trust Alabama's Compliance Department more than a couple of professional trolls with facebook accounts?"

TideSports.com - UA stands by finding of no violations

"Our compliance people have been on top of this for a long time. I think this is an example of...it's not a violation if you sign a shirt for somebody, you just can't receive compensation for it. We've done a cease and desist with this establishment a long time ago to make sure everybody understands what players can and can't do," UA coach Nick Saban told Ian Fitzsimmons of ESPN Radio 103.3 in Dallas. "You know, I guess I could ban our players from the place but until somebody can sorta convince me that somebody is doing something wrong - which I haven't been convinced of yet - I don't know if that's fair to our players."

Alabama sent disassociation letter to T-Town Menswear owner in March | al.com

"Due to the concerns expressed in our letter to Mr. Albetar dated March 31, 2011, we disassociated him from our program," Alabama associate athletic director of compliance Mike Ward said in a news release. "As we always do in matters of this nature, we discussed this matter with the SEC Office. Because we found no evidence of any NCAA violation, we did not self-report a violation. UA will continue to be proactive in all areas of compliance monitoring."

In the dissociation letter, Alabama said Albetar cooperated in an interview with the university and appeared to be compliant with NCAA rules. The university expressed a concern with the "display of memorabilia indicating a relationship with several University of Alabama student-athletes."

"Your conduct and interaction with student-athletes, as well as that of your employees, has been appropriately reviewed, and appears to be compliant with NCAA regulations," the letter states.

UA issues statement about store | alabama.247sports.com

The letter signed by Director of Athletics Mal Moore to Albetar stated: "Given the numerous items of memorabilia displayed in your store, including at times, some belonging to or signed by current student-athletes, you have potentially placed the University and its student-athletes at risk. This risk includes exposing our student-athletes to potential NCAA investigations or sensationalized journalism based on assumptions that wrongdoing has taken place."

Alabama football in the clear so far in T-Town Menswear situation (Herndon) | al.com

The cease-and-desist letter Alabama sent to T-Town Menswear in December would seem to be in relation to another statute, NCAA Bylaw 12.5.2.2, which requires student-athletes or their institutions to take steps to stop the use of their names or pictures as promotional items when done without their knowledge.

An Alabama compliance office investigation found no wrongdoing on the part of any UA players in the matter but still didn't take any chances, disassociating Albetar in March.

Albetar, who was not deemed a booster but reportedly had sideline passes during recent seasons, is barred from having contact with or obtaining any memorabilia or autographs from UA players. No word on what he'll do now for advertising or interior decor.

TideSports.com - Davis agrees to deal with Bills

Former University of Alabama defensive end Luther Davis has agreed to a contract with the NFL's Buffalo Bills as an undrafted rookie free agent, and is expected to sign the deal Tuesday. "I spent all night researching their roster and their depth chart," Davis said. "I talked with (former UA teammate) Marcell Dareus last night and they were both confident that if I come in and work, I can contribute."

Nick Saban breaks down Robert Lester - SEC Blog - ESPN

"When we look at players, we have critical factors that we look at for every position," Saban said. "And for defensive backs, it’s ball skills, tackling and can you judge the ball in the deep part of the field? Robert Lester really played corner in high school and was probably speed deficient for that position. But had good enough size that we thought he could play safety. He lacked in none of the critical factors."

Star-divide

Stefan Moody: Stefan Moody makes coaches take notice - latimes.com

Among the coaches who watched Moody were Louisiana State's Trent Johnson, UCLA's Ben Howland and Alabama's Anthony Grant. The Crimson Tide was the only major Division I team to call the Moody house and express interest before this week, though Northern Florida had also called. No scholarships had been offered. When it comes to choosing a college, Moody won't be picky. "I'll take any D-I offer I can get," said Moody, a soft-spoken, unassuming sort who will be a senior this fall at Kissimmee (Fla.) Poinciana High.

and etc.

Audio: Nick Saban on Scott Van Pelt Podcast - ESPN

Alabama The Team To Beat? - ESPN Video - ESPN


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If the Menswear story...

…were to go away forever, that would suit me just fine….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 27, 2011 7:57 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

just like last year when julio and mark's boat trip

turned out to be nothing more than a fishing expedition.

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by kleph on Jul 27, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Year before last, IIRC.

But yes. Just like that.
[sorry I’m an ass]

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by SoGladILeftTheACC on Jul 27, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

A question about that...

just for personal clarification- Was it determined that the guy who provided the trip was an auburn fan?

"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"

"Pep talks... only work when they touch that ember of truth learned the hardest possible way on the field.-Kleph

by thecalicocat on Jul 27, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was my understanding.

Not sure if that was official or not.

How much longer till kickoff?

by CarrotTop4 on Jul 27, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

He wuz part of the fambly....

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 27, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep your pants on

it will be fine.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Jul 27, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I shirt you not.

How much longer till kickoff?

by CarrotTop4 on Jul 27, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

We'll tie up any loose ends.

So there’s no need to worry

"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"

"Pep talks... only work when they touch that ember of truth learned the hardest possible way on the field.-Kleph

by thecalicocat on Jul 27, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yall are wearing this thing out

"There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self." - Ernest Hemingway

by BamaReturns07 on Jul 27, 2011 9:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dude, that's below the belt.

"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"

"Pep talks... only work when they touch that ember of truth learned the hardest possible way on the field.-Kleph

by thecalicocat on Jul 27, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

If our compliance department...

can take the starch out of these allegations, we might really knock the socks off of our competition for the near future.

Thirteen.

by Darth Saban on Jul 27, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry. They'll have it buttoned up short-ly.

There's no way, *no* way that you came from *my* loins. Soon as I get home, first thing I'm gonna do is punch yo mamma in da mouth! - B.T.J.

by JokerBama on Jul 27, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know...

…that’s just for what I hanker, chief….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 27, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think y'all are working too hard...

trying to shoehorn these clothing puns into every statement.

"The intensity of the dump was the problem" - Nick Saban

by Bazarov, the Last Romanov on Jul 27, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

But some of them fit like a glove.

There's no way, *no* way that you came from *my* loins. Soon as I get home, first thing I'm gonna do is punch yo mamma in da mouth! - B.T.J.

by JokerBama on Jul 27, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I may spend most of my time actively hating each and every one of you...

…but these horrible pun threads are tailor made for RBR. Keep up the good work.

Roll Bama Roll - The Champagne of Bama Blogs.

by Todd on Jul 27, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep your shirt on

We know who wears the pants around here.

There's no way, *no* way that you came from *my* loins. Soon as I get home, first thing I'm gonna do is punch yo mamma in da mouth! - B.T.J.

by JokerBama on Jul 27, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny thing is...

most off these are off the cuff.

"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"

"Pep talks... only work when they touch that ember of truth learned the hardest possible way on the field.-Kleph

by thecalicocat on Jul 27, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep sockin it to them, boys

Until they fly off the cuff

"There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self." - Ernest Hemingway

by BamaReturns07 on Jul 27, 2011 4:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Let's not get our panties in a wad

or our drawers in a twist, UA will get this all ironed out.

"There's no substitute for guts."

by SoundCheckMama on Jul 27, 2011 7:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If there is any truth to these allegations...

this will hit Alabama in the pocket, square in the pocket.

Thirteen.

by Darth Saban on Jul 27, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

No worries.

It looks like we’ve hemmed in the problem.

"Don't let the bastards get you down." - Nick Faldo to Greg Norman at the conclusion of the 1996 Masters.

by Paranormal on Jul 27, 2011 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're a blazer with these puns

"There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self." - Ernest Hemingway

by BamaReturns07 on Jul 27, 2011 4:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

True...

…let’s zip it up now….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 28, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

These allegations don't suit us too well

Don’t worry guys, the vest is yet to come

"There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self." - Ernest Hemingway

by BamaReturns07 on Jul 27, 2011 5:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's good that we put our best foot forward right away.

Just to make sure we’re in compliance and not tied up in knotty (non-)issues…

by Jeff Jones on Jul 27, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

The UA compliance staff

seamingly has things under control.

by TaterSalad on Jul 27, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hope so...

but isn’t that what everyone’s fans say?

Thirteen.

by Darth Saban on Jul 27, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes...

…but the compliance depts they are referring too are usually just one guy who doesn’t give a crap **COUGH****USC***COUGH***

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by Todd on Jul 27, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope so too.

It just gave me an excuse to post “seamingly”

by TaterSalad on Jul 27, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ooooooh, nice

Didn’t notice that yesterday.

Thirteen.

by Darth Saban on Jul 27, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it doesn't go away,

we’ll all be fit to be tied.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 27, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shoe, fly....

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 27, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Morbid curiosity I suppose...

But I wonder how his business has done since this all started

Fumbles. It was always Fumbles

by DocFumbles on Jul 27, 2011 8:21 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Honestly, how many nice menswear stores can there be in Tuscaloosa?

I didn’t shop for a lot of suits when I was there, but I’d be surprised if there were more than 2 or 3 in the city. Saban’s right, unless there’s some real proof here, it’s not fair to the players to ban them from one of the only places in town.

Of course I have always wondered how the players (not just ours) get such nice clothes. They dress a lot better than me, and it’s every Saturday for them! NTTAWWT

How much longer till kickoff?

by CarrotTop4 on Jul 27, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Student loans!

The kids get most of their expenses covered via scholarship, but they are still eligible for student loans. I know the last two years I was in grad school I lived a pretty good life on loans. Of course, I now have a nice car payment every month to pay them off…

by ApothecaryMark on Jul 27, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also, and someone in T-town can correct me on this

but I don’t get the impression T-Town Menswear is exactly Brooks Brothers. I don’t think the suits there are very expensive (for a suit) and all students get a discount so it isn’t like someone would need thousands of dollars to buy a few suits.

by UAinPHOENIX on Jul 27, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not even loans...

A large majority of players qualify for the Pell Grant, with a maximum award of $5,550. That’ll buy a few suits.

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by animalcracker on Jul 28, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

they are required to dress that way when they enter the stadium.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 27, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

That doesn't answer how they pay for them though.

Honestly, if the school is going to require them to dress that way, then the school really should pay for them. Otherwise you’re asking for trouble, IMO.

How much longer till kickoff?

by CarrotTop4 on Aug 2, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm... Maybe a lawya can help me out with this one:

If there was no violation found, why would we feel the need to disassociate?

“Your conduct and interaction with student-athletes, as well as that of your employees, has been appropriately reviewed, and appears to be compliant with NCAA regulations,” the letter states.

Seems to make it crystal clear that no violation had occurred. We sent the cease and desist presumably to eliminate the possibility of a future violation stemming from the practice. I don’t see, however, what the disassociation accomplishes. Just a CYA move? If so, does that make us look somewhat guilty?

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin

by Slice of Life on Jul 27, 2011 8:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Well, I guess if everything worked out well for them...

…excuse me for a moment…

/glug

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin

by Slice of Life on Jul 27, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

This goes back to someone's point (kleph?)

That it comes down to who’s word you take – Alabama Compliance or some Vols homer “journalist.” Crappy reporting is stirring the pot, so everyone has to pay attention for the time being.

Dave Robertson is growing up to be the new Mariano Rivera. My two universes of fandom can finally unite!

by SoGladILeftTheACC on Jul 27, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

I’m not so sure it is as simple as “Shining Compliance Officer vs. Scummy Fake Reporter”. You have to also rely on your own common sense.

By now, everyone has seen the pictures of the memorabilia as well as pics of Trent signing stuff. Throw in the fact that this guy had sideline passes (WHY?!?!) and the picture is starting to look incredibly one sided.

Mr. Albetar gets sideline passes, signed memorabilia, free advertising, and the players got… what? A warm, tingly feeling? Maybe the program introduced altruism as a fundamental tenant when I was not paying attention, but the more I think about it all, the more nervous I become.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin

by Slice of Life on Jul 27, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you're willing to get THAT suspicious, next they'll be investigating Rama Jama's.

He’s got all kinds of signed pictures plastered all over that place.

Dave Robertson is growing up to be the new Mariano Rivera. My two universes of fandom can finally unite!

by SoGladILeftTheACC on Jul 27, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I demand an inventory of RJ's bacon burgers!

If any are missing, Clay Travis will be there to cast accusations because clearly this was a violation.

by twominutedrill on Jul 27, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not making huge leaps of logic here.

The guy received some pretty big benefits (I know I’d love to have his memorabilia collection as well as sideline passes). Why would he get them for free? Maybe there’s a completely acceptable explanation. I really don’t know.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin

by Slice of Life on Jul 27, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

The leap you take is with regard

to sideline passes. Who issues those? You would have to think that the University is in on getting free suits for the players in exchange for sideline passes.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Jul 27, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't know that at the time.

That was addressed below. I don’t think that the university is complicit. Take those out and the guy was still getting some high quality items for “nothing”.

I believe that I’ve heard people on here that have been to the store mention that they saw game worn gloves and things of that nature there. I don’t see how that is not potentially a really big deal.

I have faith in our compliance office. I just don’t want to be like the idiot barners that automatically clam up in the face of accusations. I’m trying to approach this with an open mind, and, to me, it doesn’t look good.

Nothing may ever be found, and nothing may ever come of this, but that doesn’t make this whole thing look any better.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin

by Slice of Life on Jul 27, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

While I completely understand where you are coming from

Not even Cam Newton would be dumb enough to sell this stuff in a very public place and then put up pictures on facebook if there was any wrongdoing here. That’s where logic meets logic.

by Bamabrave4 on Jul 27, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hear you.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin

by Slice of Life on Jul 27, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just speaking in general...

it is amazing the crimes that people document on their facebook pages.

It could be where logic meets logic, but it could also theoretically be where stupidity meets the internet.

Thirteen.

by Darth Saban on Jul 27, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a pair of JJ Johnson's game gloves from the 1998 Egg Bowl when I

was at Miss State. I didn’t give him anything for them. I saw him on the field after the game and asked him if he was keeping them for a memento. He said nah, you want em?

Deos fortioribus adesse-Tacitus

by CrimsonHayate on Jul 28, 2011 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a jersey...

…I got from “Mean” Joe Green when I was a kid back in the 70’s, but I had to give him a Coke for it. Since he was already a professional athlete, I figured it was OK….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 28, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I sure hope they don't!!

Honestly if you think that players don’t occassionally get discounts in local establishments, you’re kidding yourself. That’s based on nothing but my own assumptions of course. I would guess nothing major, but a few free drinks or a free sandwich; nothing major in my opinion, but the NCAA would not look kindly.

How much longer till kickoff?

by CarrotTop4 on Jul 27, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Players at all major schools get these kinds of discounts. It is for this reason why I scoff at anyone who suggests that these kids are “poor” and “don’t get enough from just a scholarship to live off of”

by Bamabrave4 on Jul 27, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

To be clear,

I wasn’t thinking tha the players were giving him his passes. I just think it looks bad that this guy was getting passes. “How did he get them?” seems like a logical question to me.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin

by Slice of Life on Jul 27, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meh.

If you think he got the sideline passes by illicit means, then you must believe that the athletic department is complicit in his dealings. This is not believable to me.

The angle of the players possibly taking discounts on clothes in return for autographs and jerseys is much more believable and scary to me. But I believe the University has already checked it out and found no problems.

How much longer till kickoff?

by CarrotTop4 on Jul 27, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

The University is giving him sideline passes

in exchange for free cheap suits for the players? I agree….meh.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Jul 27, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

As mentioned above, it's one of the only nice menswear stores in town.

Guy’s loaded whether he’s “helping” players or not.

Dave Robertson is growing up to be the new Mariano Rivera. My two universes of fandom can finally unite!

by SoGladILeftTheACC on Jul 27, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sometimes it just takes knowing the right person to get one.

I have a good friend at an ACC school that occasionally hooks me up with sideline passes for football games. I’ve never met a player from that school or given them a dime and I get sideline passes. It doesn’t have to be a sign of wrongdoing on being a big spender.

by Nico2.0 on Jul 27, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only thing I will say to that is

you’re talking about an ACC school. They are probably just hoping and wishing someone would want to come and be on their sideline. When you are talking about Alabama, the sideline isn’t big enough to hold the people that would gladly pay to have a sideline pass much less be given one for free. They are not that easy to come by at Alabama. I know some people who have a family member who works within the football program and he has been able to secure them sideline passes only 2 times in the 10 years he’s been there.

Losing doesn't make me want to quit. It makes me want to fight that much harder. – Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant

by BamaGirlinDallas on Jul 27, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a bit unfair

I’ve been to games at four different ACC stadiums and all but one were sold out (and it was really close). All but one of those were conference games too, so it’s not like they were Alabama selling out Duke’s stadium for them. I’ve seen some pretty devoted fans of ACC teams and some things on a mass scale that were impressive (the entire stadium standing the entire game at Wake Forest for instance.)

by Nico2.0 on Jul 28, 2011 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I went to Wake Forest for a few games in 2007.

It was one of the best atmospheres I’ve experienced. Not huge OMG SEC-style, but a great experience all-around.

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Every day we make it, we'll make it the best we can.

by animalcracker on Jul 28, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same here. My high school guidance counselor is a friend. Her Dad has

connections with Miss State. I could get sideline passes for the asking.

The guy is probably a big contributor to the school or offers UA Ath Dept employees big discounts for the passes.

Every business owner in Tuscaloosa probably offers UA employees some sort of discount just like most businesses around bases offer military discounts. It makes good business sense.

This is just page view whoring by the media during the dull days of the offseason

Deos fortioribus adesse-Tacitus

by CrimsonHayate on Jul 28, 2011 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cecil Hurt said...

he failed to comply with the C&D, so they pre-emptively disassociated. Cited GT and UT as example he was aware of.

"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"

"Pep talks... only work when they touch that ember of truth learned the hardest possible way on the field.-Kleph

by thecalicocat on Jul 27, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotcha. That makes sense.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin

by Slice of Life on Jul 27, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

here is the problem...

it is up to the journalist to establish if there is merit to the accusation. part of that is checking with all the sources involved. posting a photo and saying it “looks bad” doesn’t cut it. and there are real repercussions to folks involved. these include:

1) a player has been unreasonably accused of wrongdoing.
2) a local business has been unreasonably accused of wrongdoing.
3) ua compliance has to waste their time dealing with this instead of doing their jobs.

but once someone irresponsibly makes accusations it creates a situation that only compounds the problem for those affected. and by continuing to bicker on about the whole mess, we’re adding to that pile of bullshit ourselves.

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by kleph on Jul 27, 2011 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I understand what you're saying about a journalistic threshhold,

and I agree that it seems that it doesn’t seem that that was met in this instance.

However, the pictures are out there and there have been several fans on this very sight that have said that they were figuring it was just a matter of time before this store came up. If it was so in-you-face that our own fans were nervous about it, then it probably shouldn’t have been going on.

I know that our compliance office had addressed these questions long before the accusations came to light, but I’d be lying if I said that it wasn’t a little bit unnerving.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin

by Slice of Life on Jul 27, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

read the story

it is not an infraction for a player to sign an autograph. it is not an infraction for a merchant to display autographed items. the cease and desist was due to the posting of the pictures on the store’s website which “could be” construed as using the image of the athlete for advertising.

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by kleph on Jul 27, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I get that. It's the speculative stuff that's not in the story that has me a bit nervous.

Also, while it may not be an infraction, Mal Moore’s letter to Mr. Albetar seems to pretty clearly indicate that he believes (as I do) that the practice lends itself to suspicion.

Any non-biased individual that sees that would ask: Why would these kids be going out of their way to help this guy out?

The guy didn’t bring some stuff to “fan day” and get it signed and then display it. It looks like he’s got Trent in there publicly signing his stuff and making a bit of a spectacle of it. We can play circle the wagons all we want, but it looks bad.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin

by Slice of Life on Jul 27, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can't squash every speculation.

That’s impossible.

Albetar sells suits in Tuscaloosa. He probably knows someone who knows someone who can get sideline passes, especially for games against cupcakes. I got sideline passes once; it’s no big deal if you happen to know someone who knows someone, etc. etc.

And aren’t there lots of stores in Tuscaloosa with autographs and pictures of current and former players in their windows and on walls?

It’s pretty simple, really: If the players received an improper benefit from Albetar, then they are in violation. If they didn’t, none of the other stuff means anything. If the Compliance Department says they didn’t, then I think Kleph is right: Who you gonna trust?

by toofull on Jul 27, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

lets be realistic here, tuscaloosa aint a big town.

and if you are buying clothes, you are probably in that mall. that’s where i went when i needed a few extra shirts when i was down there for the week of A-Day.

but the bigger problem here is you are making the same mistaken assumption about the situation that the rest of these conspiracy theorists are. that there was something the players did that gave the appearance of impropriety. they did not. and nothing looks bad unless you presume that – and to cast that aspersion is to punish them for a perception they have no control over.

the compliance people were clear: it is not an infraction for a player to sign autographs. it is not an infraction for a player to be photographed with people. drive around t-town and just about every business has an photo and autograph of a player – most obtained when they were playing.

the problem was that the store owner had posted the photographs in a manner that could suggest endorsement. thus the C&D and subsequent disassociation. absolutely nothing in the player’s actions had anything to do with that.

you need to look at it from the perspective of the ncaa (which is what the compliance folks are paid to do). if folks in indy became aware of the photos on the merchant’s website they might be compelled to ask the school to investigate.

if that occurred the school would be obligated to suspend the players in question until the inquiry was resolved and their eligibility was confirmed. ua compliance clearly believed that such an inquiry would find nothing but if they had taken no action, the players and the team would have been penalized due to the ncaa’s process of evaluation. thus, the C&D.

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by kleph on Jul 27, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I've already told you something to this effect today

But you rock. Everything he said. But I’m a business major, so I don’t say it as well.

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by SoGladILeftTheACC on Jul 27, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure most of you already know this...

but for those who don’t know much about libel/slander law regarding public vs. private figures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co.v.Sullivan.

Thirteen.

by Darth Saban on Jul 27, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought this was the City Cafe thread...

My bad

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