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Time To Shine: Players that Need to Step Up for the Crimson Tide in 2011 | Josh Chapman

Heading into 2011 we're hearing all kinds of talk about 10 returning starters and how impressive this defense is going to be, but everyone seems to be overlooking one glaring concern: the defensive line.  Two names have effectively defined the Alabama d-line over the last few season, Terrence Cody and Marcell Dareus, while less hyped but equally solid players like Brandon Deaderick, Lorenzo Washington, and Bobby Greenwood have helped to make the Tide's defensive front an impenetrable wall.  All those names are gone now, and outside of those of us who obsess over this kind of thing to an unhealthy degree, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who could really name a starting two deep if they had to.  Put as bluntly as possible, we need someone, anyone, to step up and give this group an identity this season, and as a simple matter of depth and experience that burden is likely going to have to fall on Chapman's shoulders.

While we can fret over a lack of genuine star power at DE, at least the bodies are there.  Nearly a dozen scholarship players are competing for playing time there, and there's been enough progress shown from guys like Damion Square, Adrian Hubbard, Ed Stinson, and Quinton Dial to think we'll at least have a reasonably consistent rotation among them.  But the NG position? That's a different story altogether.

From the nose, Chapman finished last season with 31 total tackles, 3.5 TFls and one sack, good enough to lead the rest of the returning down linemen in total tackles (Square led the down linemen in TFLs and sacks with 7 and 3, respectively).  He showed clear improvement during the spring and is looking his best to date, but the fact is he's simply not the kind of monster in the middle that Terrence Cody was and never will be.  That's not a knock on him by any means, he's a fine tackle in his own right, but the two are simply two different types of players.  Unfortunately, without a solid rotation around him and a linebacker corps behind him that was in flux and dealing with it's own identity and consistency issues, Chapman simply got lost in the middle for most of last season.  Unfortunately, there are still questions about who is going to rotate on the line this year, and especially who is going to help take up the slack in the middle to keep Chapman from playing more downs than necessary.

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Looking on the depth chart, it's a little grim.  For all the buzz Jesse Williams created when he signed, he's a raw prospect that for the most part got by on size at the JUCO level and will have to continue to learn the nuances of the position (using his hands, getting leverage, etc.) quickly in fall if he's going to be a meaningful contributor.  Nick Gentry carved himself a role as a situational player last season, getting in on passing downs as a solid pass rusher from the interior, but he simply doesn't have the size (or even the frame to add the size) to consistently occupy two blockers and hold up when opposing offenses line up and run right at him.  He's just not an every down player, and though he has contributed and will continue to do so, it's going to have to be in a limited role. Finally, Brandon Ivory is an unknown commodity after redshirting last year despite a lot of positive talk from Saban himself after his signing:

"The guy moved around on the basketball floor pretty good, dunked it, and could touch the rim and all that stuff," Saban said. "I said a guy who weighs this much and moves that well and plays that well on film and we have a need for big-bodied people ...

"Our criteria for nose guard is a little different than somebody else looking at just a defensive lineman. He seemed to fit the criteria.

Ivory is looking the part and generally played well on A Day, but his name hasn't been heard much so for now we'll have to file him under "wait and see."

Which leaves us with Chapman.  He's been in the program since 2007, playing in the first three games of the season before being injured and getting a medical redshirt.  He's seen action in every game since, starting two games in an injured Terrence Cody's place during the 2008 season, playing a key role as the preferred NG on passing downs the rest of that season and the '09 season, and starting all but one game last year.  During the spring he was indisputably atop the depth chart, and was given the "Lee Roy Jordan Headhunter Award" at the conclusion of fall camp.  With 42 career games and 14 starts under his belt, he's the most experienced lineman we've got, and if this unit is going to find an identity and be the same kind of anchor it was in 2009, it's going to be up to Chapman's leadership and experience to get it there.

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NG is probably the weakest

part of our D and to be honest it isn’t that bad. I really think Chapman, although not Cody, is good enough to hold down the position. I think the real problem is not Chapman, but the back ups. Nick Gentry is an over achiever, but is he really an SEC NG? I’m not any more confident in Ivory or Williams. Our best hope is for a lot of 3 and outs so these guys stay on the bench.

Like I said with Chapman in there I’m not worried but when he needs a breather we are hurting. Wonder if Quinton Dial might see some time there?

If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.

by 5026 on Jul 6, 2011 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

I think the weakness of the position is why he has to step up

if he continues to be an average player, we don’t have anyone else ready to replace him. Now, we have the talent at LB to lessen the impact of having a simply ok D-line, but we all remember how Cody changed every single snap he was in on and opened up things for everyone else. I don’t expect that from Chapman, but he has the strength and experience to be a difference maker, and with Dareus gone, we don’t have any lineman that require a double team. Chapman absorbing two blocks would be huge.

by dixiefootballpride44 on Jul 6, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand the criticism

of Chapman at Nose. He’s the strongest player on the team, even stronger than Cody was in the weightroom. Also, you can’t measure the effectiveness of a NT by stats, their primary job is to eat up blocks and allow the DEs and LBs to make plays.

Couple of questions here, were teams that much more effective last year at running against our interior line? If so, can that comparison be attributed solely to the NT change? I mean we also lost another playmaker in the middle of our defense that year that was one hell of a runstopper, Rolando McClain.

He certainly doesn’t look as physically dominating as Cody did, but if there was a drop off, how much of that is fairly placed on Chapman’s shoulders? I thought he did a hell of a job last year. I agree on the depth, as none of the backups are proven, but he’s pretty rock solid as a starter in my opinion.

by Bocephus012 on Jul 6, 2011 11:52 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I think he's pretty solid, but the strength argument is deceiving.

The reason he’s considered “the strongest player on the team” and “stronger than Cody was in the weightroom” is because of his very impressive bench numbers. However, the thing that makes him a beast at the bench press is the very thing that limits his effectiveness as a NG (and his value at the next level) – shorter arms.

Short arms: great for leverage on the bench, not great for leverage on the field.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin

by Slice of Life on Jul 6, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very good pick up. I never considered the short arm theory.

If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.

by 5026 on Jul 6, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

'Short arms'...

…don’t mean he’s not dangerous…

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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting thought, but

taking a quick look at Wikipedia, (obviously the world’s most accurate source for information) Chapman is 2 inches shorter than Cody. Presumably, that means his arms are about an inch shorter, provided that the whole height/wingspan argument holds water. If the difference is so minute, how much of a difference does it make? Do we have any specific stats that show his arms being that much shorter?

And while his arms might be shorter, being shorter in stature is an advantage in gaining on field leverage, as it’s easier for him to stay lower than the guys blocking him. This is specifically why interior Olinemen and NTs are not the 6’7 monsters like the tackles on the outside. They gain leverage by being lower to the ground.

by Bocephus012 on Jul 6, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Admittedly, I don’t have numbers to support that the wingspans vary that greatly… yet (I think the NFL combine measureables will bear out my theory). Also, I think you’re oversimplifying by trying to bring height into figuring out arm length. If you’ve ever watched boxing/UFC, you know that wingspan/reach/arm length can vary greatly.

I agree that his shorter stature gives him some leverage, but I don’t think that it is enought to counteract his shorter arms.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin

by Slice of Life on Jul 6, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of height,

I think that’s one reason why DTs and NGs are generally so tall – taller people generally have longer arms, and since that’s an advantage they’re the ones who get picked to do that job. If Chapman is shorter than Cody AND has shorter arms, that’s two disadvantages to make up for instead of one. His strength is what keeps him in the game, and doing a pretty good job at that, but he’s not the ideal NG…the idea NG graduated already.

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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jul 6, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

NTs aren't tall typically

Most NTs in the NFL, Vince Wilfork, BJ raji, Casey Hampton, etc. are between 6’1 and 6’3. Cody is only 6’3. Being short helps with leverage.

Granted I’m oversimplifying on the height/arm length ratio thing, I was just using the only way I know how, outside of a tape measure, to estimate arm length. No doubt applying typical ratio measures to massive monster elite football players might not work, haha.

by Bocephus012 on Jul 7, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure on the height thing for NG...

I’ll yield to those more knowledgable than myself on measurables, but Cody was 6’5" to 6’6" and Jesse Williams is 6’4". They’re pretty tall guys. Chapman is around 6’1". That’s a significant difference right there.

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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jul 6, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point.

What’s more – upper body strength is certainly needed against the run, but it’s the lower body strength and control that makes good NGs immovable. Chapman’s no slouch in the weight room, but that doesn’t guarantee success on the field.

by TiderInTN on Jul 6, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is in no way a criticism of Chapman...

…he’s played well his whole career and he looked good in spring, his biggest problem is that there’s just no one around him this season like a Dareus or Cody or Deaderick, etc., so this is HIS defensive line this year, it’s time for him to step up and be the leader we really need in the trenches.

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by Todd on Jul 6, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking Dial will be a force.

Well, maybe I’m hoping Dial will be a force.

Square could have a break out season. Actually, Square should have a breakout season.

If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.

by 5026 on Jul 6, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

To answer your first question: yes

Teams ran the ball inside with much more success than previous years, although as you stated, losing Ro also hurt big time. And we also lost Lorenzo Washington and Brandon Deadrick, both of them were very good at run stopping. But I would say the loss of Cody was the biggest issue.

by Bamabrave4 on Jul 6, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

soooo

it seems mt. cody is an RBR reader since he tweeted this post this morning.

any sightings? reckon that means he agrees?

"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban

by LittleSis on Jul 6, 2011 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

On Williams...

He had a “quiet” spring compared to how everyone thought he was going to immediately be King Shit. Coach Rumph was hired last winter because there was a need to drastically improve the D Line play and he will accomplish this. Personally, I think Coach Rumph will improve everyone’s technique and overall performance and this includes Josh Chapman. While this won’t turn our D Line into Murderer’s Row, we have an excellent Line Backing corps which will pick up for what the Line cannot accomplish.

My prediction: The Line (combined with the LBs) will be a run-stopping machine. The LBs (with Safety blitzs) will bring significantly more pressure against the QB than in 2010.

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by TiderUpNorth on Jul 7, 2011 12:33 AM CDT reply actions  

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