POLL: Who Do You Think the 14th Team Will Be?
by Nico2.0 on Aug 18, 2011 9:05 AM CDT
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PrintLast week, when we asked y'all what division you would want Alabama in in an expanded SEC, there was no shortage of discussion (over 450 comments and over 1600 votes.) Clearly you people have strong opinions about this subject. Expansion looks like it's on the way whether we want it or not and despite the SEC taking no official public action towards inviting Texas A&M into the conference, it is still believed by many that the Aggies will make their way into the conference at some point. Whether the conference expands to 14 or 16 remains to be seen, but we know it will be at least 14 teams. Assuming Texas A&M is headed to the SEC, who do you think the 14th team will be? For the purposes of this poll we're interested in who you think it will be, not who you want it to be. Vote and discuss below.
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Voted FSU, but...
I think it should be either Missouri or Virginia Tech. However, I think for this round FSU will be the one.
Pants! That is all.
Then you should have voted for Mizzou or VaTech.
since that is what the poll is asking.
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by That Other Dave on Aug 18, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Negative
It was asked “who do you think it will be?” not “who do you think it should be?” Reading FTW.
Pants! That is all.
actually it says
Assuming Texas A&M will be in the SEC at some point, who do think the 14th team to be?
It’s also missing a word in there somewhere.
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by That Other Dave on Aug 18, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Also i should start reading the whole paragraphs above the poll question
mea culpa
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by That Other Dave on Aug 18, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why would FSU come to the SEC?
They can dominate the ACC, have a great chance at going undefeated and play in a BCS Bowl every year.
Because playing in the SEC will give them equal footing on the recruiting trail.....
and the money is quite a bit more.
thats one hell of an assumption.
arkansas and south carolina coming to the SEC hasnt given them equal footing on the recruiting trail. and neither have won a conference championship
- Rangers finish 85-77 - Josey Wales
- I picture GoET with a reptilian dong anyway - RIver Fenix
by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
Arky and SC have both made more money and improved their football teams considerably since joining the SEC.
i agree on the money, thats a fact.
but arkansas was a better team, a more nationally prominent team in the SWC. South Carolina has always been a fledgling team that has only recently found any tangible and sustained success primarily because of a coaching hire and some good in-state high school players.
I love the SEC as much as the next guy, but dont go around making assumptions like that. The fact is, the SEC is dominated by its charter members and just because you get to say you are an SEC school does not automatically bump you up into the top 15 in recruiting classes, or BCS berths.
- Rangers finish 85-77 - Josey Wales
- I picture GoET with a reptilian dong anyway - RIver Fenix
by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
SC has necer been a football school. Thats well known.....
Ask ARKY if they would recruit better being a member of the Big 12ish or the SEC. SEC wins hands down. They both make more money than they would anywhere else in the region. And as an SEC school you get more national coverage than any other conference. It’s not about winning. Its about the money for the most part. You should know since you live in Texas.
I actually agree with you here.
A&M will get a huge recruiting bump. Keep kids in Texas AND play for the SEC. It’s a win win for them.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
i know its about the money. thats what im saying.
however, saying that recruiting magically starts getting better once you get into the SEC is unfounded.
- Rangers finish 85-77 - Josey Wales
- I picture GoET with a reptilian dong anyway - RIver Fenix
by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Arkansas has no natural recruiting base.
FSU on the other hand is in one of the best recruiting areas in the country, but is at a disadvantage compared to its neighbors in Gainesville due to conference affiliation.
God bless our Dark Lord.
they did better this past year.
recruiting is so much more about coaching and current national ranking than it is about what conference they are in. Not saying what conference a school is in doesnt matter, im saying that there are other things more important. Look at south carolina.
- Rangers finish 85-77 - Josey Wales
- I picture GoET with a reptilian dong anyway - RIver Fenix
by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Well....
Actually I think FSU is already on equal footing with regards to recruiting. They had a few down years on the field, but they have had some very good classes recently and they have ranked higher than most SEC schools in that regard.
Also, FSU was an elite program for many years even while they were in the ACC. They could probably do that again whether they are in the SEC or not. The last several years, I think, had more to do with the fact that the game had passed Bobby Bowden by than anything.
Yes, they can do excellent in recruiting while being in the ACC,
but the general opinion is that they would do even better being in the SEC. It’s scary.
God bless our Dark Lord.
Not a chance for FSU
They’ll get voted against by at least Florida, Alabama and Georgia.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Disagree.....
Why would Alabama vote against them? We alrea recruit against them and they would be in the east? A top team FSU is a mid pack SEC team right now.
We recruit against an ACC team currently, a distinction that gives us an advantage.
Why would we want to add more competition within the conference?
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Aug 18, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Because it will strengthen our conference.....
And each SEC school should have an in-state rival IMO.
That's dumb. You're thinking as a fan.
No one in the UA athletic department would stand up in this discussion and say, “well, I think we have it too easy.”
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Aug 18, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Dumb? Why? Because I disagree with you?
Of course I am thiking as a fan. How else am I suppose to think? Thats what I am. A fan. If you disagree, fine. It’s an opinion so take it or leave it. I would love for FSU to join. We have more tradition than any other school in our conference. We have won more bowl games, national championships, and SEC championships than any other team. I have no fear of FSU. You sound like you are scared.
He means you're thinking as a fan instead of a player or coach.
It’s already hard enough to repeat (did you forget last year already?). We don’t need a tougher row to hoe.
FSU brings nothing that the conference doesn’t already have.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, yes.
The “what are you, chicken?” routine. Very original. And I didn’t say you were dumb (you may very well be, but I don’t know you and am thus incapable of making that determination). I said that the “strenghtening our conference” argument is dumb.
Rather than explain why, I’ll just reference you to Matt Dover’s post, which lays out my position more eloquently than I would, I’m sure.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Aug 18, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And it will KILL our recruiting in Florida.
So what is best for the SEC (MAYBE) is terrible for Alabama.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't get that many out of Florida.
Georgia is a much better recruiting base for us. Look at our roster.
We still get quality recruits.
I don’t think you get how our recruiting would be impacted by FSU joining the SEC.
Georgia would block it for the same reason. Same as Florida.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Mobile seems tough enough for us already.
FSU’s recruiting prowess is like everyone else’s: depends mostly on the staff. If they join the SEC, that will bump their credibility up that much more. Personally, I don’t think they need any additional help.
Charles Martel, Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, Raymond IV the Count of Toulouse, Godfrey of Bouillon, Baldwin of Boulogne, Henry II, Richard the Lionheart, St. Joan of Arc and Napoleon Bonaparte -- all of good stock.
by TiderUpNorth on Aug 18, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
They are already killing us in Mobile.
And that is a little suprising to me. They just got another St. Pauls kid if I remember correctly.
They are doing well in mobile,
but they are not “killing” us. Last year, they got one guy (a QB that we didn’t even go after until very late in the process).
This year they’ve gotten two guys so far:
1 – a D-Lineman that is MUCH better suited for a 4-3 system
2 – an O-Lineman that looks like a good prospect that we genuinely missed on.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Aug 19, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep, but imagine if they were in the SEC.
Much worse.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 19, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm on your side, here, but that's not the point.
The point is: everyone keeps talking about how we’re getting killed by FSU and that simply is not the case.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Aug 19, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Mobile.
We have 7 players on the roster from Mobile:
Mark Barron – Defensive Back – Mobile, Ala. (St. Paul’s)
Diege Barry – Defensive Back – Mobile, Ala. (St. Paul’s)
Jalston Fowler – Mobile, Ala. (Vigor)
Brandon Gibson – Wide Receiver – Mobile, Ala. (UMS-Wright)
Sam Kearns – Defensive Back – Mobile, Ala. (McGill-Toolen)
AJ McCarron – Quarterback – Mobile, Ala. (Saint Paul’s Episcopal School)
Jarrick Williams – Defensive Back – Mobile, Ala. (Blount)
According to their roster, Florida State has 105 players (I think scout had them with 107, can’t seem to get their university roster to load). Here is their distribution by state, to compare with ours that is further down, but posted earlier:
AL – 2
CT – 1
FL – 74
GA – 13
MN – 1
MS – 1
NJ – 3
PA – 1
OH – 2
SC – 2
TN – 1
TX – 3
VA – 1
Their two players from Alabama are:
Jacob Coker – QB – MOBILE, AL
Nigel Terrell – LB – HELENA, AL
These are the facts. Here is my little tiny analysis.
I’ll start this off by saying that there are probably people missing from this ESPN roster of FSU players, as I think it’s unlikely that Alabama has 14 more players on the team than does FSU. Also, someone above posted about an O and D Lineman, who I’m guessing may have committed but not enrolled, or whatever.
It would appear that the majority of the recruiting battles that we have with FSU are likely going to be over Florida or Georgia players.
Thirteen.
Trent Richardson is from Pensacola.
About 5 hours from Tuscaloosa, 3 from Tallahassee.
Thirteen.
by Darth Saban on Aug 18, 2011 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
FSU got owned on the Trent signing.
Can I get a “what what” from my homies lock’d down for no particular reason?
Charles Martel, Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, Raymond IV the Count of Toulouse, Godfrey of Bouillon, Baldwin of Boulogne, Henry II, Richard the Lionheart, St. Joan of Arc and Napoleon Bonaparte -- all of good stock.
by TiderUpNorth on Aug 19, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Roy Upchurch....
was from Tallahassee.
I think Bama has always tried to recruit the panhandle and we have faced off with FSU for a long time.
Not trying to make any point here, just saying we usually focus more on Florida players from the panhandle.
Because kids like Trent Richardson
And others we have gotten out from under FSU, were partially won with the SEC pitch. You have FSU in that pitch, it gets harder to pull them from out of state.
That’s facts.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Did Mark Ingram come from Florida too?
Get real. Florida isnt the only place with great recruits.
No, it's not the only place.
Occassionally great recruits even come from Australia. But I don’t think we should limit ourselves to only recruiting Australia.
God bless our Dark Lord.
by CarrotTop4 on Aug 18, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's not a rec...
…this is a rec….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 18, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I'm going to look at the roster.
According to the roster, there are 119 players on the football team. I know there are certainly places to look that already have all of the information I am about to reseach and provide, but I don’t want to look for them. I don’t want to, and you can’t make me. This will give me an opportunity to look through the roster a little bit, too.
Here’s what I did: I copied the roster data into an Excel spreadsheet, then created a pivot table using that data, then used text filters in the “Hometown (Last School)” column to identify which players are from which states. Yes, I know this is duplicated elsewhere, but generating an Excel spreadsheet of the roster is not a bad thing to do.
Ok, here is where our players are from:
Ala. - 58
Australia – 1
Calif. – 2
Fla. – 8
Ga. – 16
La. – 4
Md. – 2
Miss. – 4
N.C. – 4
Ohio – 3
S.C. – 3
Tenn. – 9
Texas – 4
Va. – 1
Here are our 8 players from Florida, the positions they play, and where they’re from:
Ha’Sean Clinton-Dix – Defensive Back – Orlando, Fla. (Dr. Phillips)
Phillip Ely – Quarterback – Tampa, Fla. (Plant)
Dee Hart – Running Back – Orlando, Fla. (Dr. Phillips)
Demetrius Hart – Running Back – Orlando, Fla. (Dr. Phillips)
D. J. Pettway – Defensive Line – Pensacola, Fla. (Pensacola Catholic)
Trent Richardson – Running Back – Pensacola, Fla. (Escambia)
Ed Stinson – Defensive Line – Homestead, Fla. (South Dade)
Nick Williams – Wide Receiver – Fort Lauderdale, Fla. (St. Thomas Aquinas)
Thirteen.
by Darth Saban on Aug 19, 2011 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I still say we shouldn't only recruit Australia.
And we also shouldn’t cede Florida.
God bless our Dark Lord.
Exactly.
I’d say we’d have lost half of those if FSU was in the SEC. Easily half.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 19, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Hart is so freakin' good...
…he’s two of our 8 players from FL….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 19, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
But why make it more difficult? On purpose even?
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 19, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
buster. As far as I know you and I agree.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 19, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
LESS DISCOURSE. MORE RAGE AND BLIND PUNCHING.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Aug 19, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
???
So you went from “it won’t make it any harder” to “who cares? There are other states.”
Though, it was cool how you threw out a completely unrelated topic to sorta kinda not really bring the argument home.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Aug 18, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
His top 3 were
LSU, UF, UA.
Made 1 trip to Tallie, several to UF/UA, and 2-3 to LSU.
As for the rest of it, I’m steppin’ out.
Inanity @gothlaw
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 18, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
All SEC schools.
I imagine his top three would have been different had FSU been SEC. That’s all I’m sayin.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 19, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Doh!
I posted my “Trent Richardson is from Pensacola” comment about 30 seconds before reading this.
Thirteen.
by Darth Saban on Aug 18, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It's okay Darth. I'll say it too.
Trent is from Pensacola! Deal with it MFer!
Charles Martel, Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, Raymond IV the Count of Toulouse, Godfrey of Bouillon, Baldwin of Boulogne, Henry II, Richard the Lionheart, St. Joan of Arc and Napoleon Bonaparte -- all of good stock.
by TiderUpNorth on Aug 19, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
North Carolina listed twice
Nico subliminal mind trick?
is one of them sposed to be NCState?
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Aug 18, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
changed it...
…so the second one is now NC State, if the other person besides me that voted that way is offended, tough.
Roll Bama Roll - The Champagne of Bama Blogs.
North Carolina
I think either one would be a good addition to the SEC. Don’t know if Slive would want to deal with the NC probation problems.
by BamaFaninATL on Aug 18, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
VATech
I would like to see Tech come in. I have respect for the fans around here in East TN and there are a lot of them. They, much like me, have to put up with UThug fans and endure the crap. I have never heard a Tech fan bad mouth the team or coaches no matter how they are doing. I had a party for the game in Atlanta and had 6 Tech fans over and we had a great time. I didn’t have to kick anyone out like I have twice when I have people over for the Bama/UThug game. I like their fans and the team.
While a lot of seasons the hype tends to be much more than what is placed on the field, they usually have a pretty good team
"its that puke, inside of a pumpkin orange....and i dont like pumpkins"!
Can we swap Tech fans?
Because around Winchester they are unbearable
"Some people have a way with words....some people....not have way." - Steve Martin
my experience with Tech fans...
…is not that great. 2005 ACC Championship game in Jacksonville FL against FSU. My friend is an FSU alumn, his bachelor party was this game. I was in the wedding party and had to attend. Friday night before the game there were VTech fans as far as the eye could see throughout Jacksonville (Landings etc.)….they outnumbered FSU fans 40-1. They were cocky, brash, and talked tons of sh^t. The one quote i remember the most from drunken fan was “we used to have a big Vick and y’all had a little Weinke….we still have a big Vick and y’all have nothing” …yeah, horrible. Anyway, FSU went on to win the game…Saturday night out…there were ZERO VT fans….didn’t see a single person…it was incredible. Also, to point out FSU fans…while non existent the night before…they came out like cock roaches after their win.
One I know
crowed about their seven 10+ win seasons. My response was that yes, you are in the ACC. That is like being the biggest midget.
"Some people have a way with words....some people....not have way." - Steve Martin
I guess all I have to compare them with around here are...
UThug fans!
"its that puke, inside of a pumpkin orange....and i dont like pumpkins"!
I never realized the border loyalties
until I went camping in Marion, Va. Watched the Bama/UT game and then went to the front office for something. This was Fulmer’s last game against us (I believe) and they lost. The lady at the counter made the comment “We should just back a truck up to Fulmer’s house and move him out”. I didn’t have the heart to yell “Roll Tide” as I left. I might not have made it to the car!
"Some people have a way with words....some people....not have way." - Steve Martin
all fan bases have good and bad people...
I have been to many road games or central location games where we played and lost…but Bama fans still seem to make it out on the town win or lose…I was stunned at how all these VT fans packed up and left after they lost…literally it went from thousands of fans to zero….(still amazes me)
Your source?
Who are you, Danny Seridan?
by BamaFaninATL on Aug 18, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
The Bagman told him so
Wait, since its Boston College that we’re talking about, it must have been the Carpetbagger.
Singing songs about the Southland
by SweetHomeAla on Aug 18, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Negatron. It's going to be NYU!
Charles Martel, Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, Raymond IV the Count of Toulouse, Godfrey of Bouillon, Baldwin of Boulogne, Henry II, Richard the Lionheart, St. Joan of Arc and Napoleon Bonaparte -- all of good stock.
by TiderUpNorth on Aug 18, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Which one adds the most tv viewers?
That will be the primary determinate. Va Tech bring Va & DC area.
That and the gentleman's agreement which precludes FSU, Clemson, GT, and Louisville.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Aug 18, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think they'll need a gentleman's agreement.
This is all about the money, and the money comes from TV viewers. If VA Tech can bring DC and Baltimore, they’re in. Missouri can bring St. Louis and maybe Kansas City, but most importantly, Florida St, Georgia Tech, and Clemson bring no new audience to the SEC. They just bring more mouths to feed.
Miami would have brought new audience.
But holy shit they’re radioactive now.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
not as much as you think.
we are already in the florida market, and miami is a rather small school.
If you really want to expand your audience, go somewhere where you arent.
- Rangers finish 85-77 - Josey Wales
- I picture GoET with a reptilian dong anyway - RIver Fenix
by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
True, but if you've ever been to Miami
It’s almost a different country compared to the panhandle.
Thus my thoughts that it would bring a different market.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
miami was already attempting to scale back its football operations before the sanctions.
miami isnt what it used to be, and isnt as big of a market as you think, especially compared to the more northern markets we could get.
- Rangers finish 85-77 - Josey Wales
- I picture GoET with a reptilian dong anyway - RIver Fenix
by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
That I wasn't aware of.
Shame. Miami of the 80’s would have been fun.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
OOOOhhhhh! Good catch.
I thought he meant Montana. We aren’t there either.
There's no way, *no* way that you came from *my* loins. Soon as I get home, first thing I'm gonna do is punch yo mamma in da mouth! - B.T.J.
Miami fans....
are terrible. They don’t hardly care at all. They’d probably rather go to the beach.
Whenever you see Miami in the national championship game(historically speaking of course) you’ll notice their fans are few and far between.
Yep, no one cares about the Canes.
They averaged 52,000 fans for their 6 home games last year.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2010.pdf
God bless our Dark Lord.
I voted 'other'...
…Tulane 4EVAH!!!
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 18, 2011 9:48 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
If not...
…I don’t wanna know how he earned those beads….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 18, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
you sure make
a compelling argument for them…
In an industrial society which confuses work and productivity, the necessity of producing has always been an enemy of the desire to create. - Raoul Vaneigem
take this job and shove it - Johnny Paycheck
by tempebamafan on Aug 18, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
So we can get more pukes like Walker in our conference. BLECH.
Inanity @gothlaw
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 18, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought Walker...
…was a Texas ranger?
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 18, 2011 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't even notice the kids till you pointed it out.
I was focused on the woman.
Why don’t you have a seat over here?
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 19, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Voted Louisville
A) Petrino grudge-match would entertain
B) We could use some help in the basket-hoops.
Fumbles. It was always Fumbles
I went Louisville, as well.
That would give Kentucky an actual rivalry game with conference implications, plus, Charlie Strong would find himself right back in the SEC (where he would rather be, anyways). The Petrino factor would make it interesting, as well. Not to mention, the Viles would have to play them yearly, much to their chagrin. I’d love to have Louisville for the simple fact that we could have our revenge for Browning Nagle and Coach Schnellie taking us to the woodshed a few years back. The basketball consequences would be incredible, simply because even more SEC squads would have a chance to go dancing, come tourney-time.
"...because you've got your mind right, and that's the way we like it." Nick Saban
id like Louisville to join
but for personal reasons would want them in the East for football. (dont want to watch a good friend get his @ss kicked by my brother so to speak)
they are passionate about their Cards in that town. plus the bars are open til 4am and the Kentucky Derby is a fun post spring Football diversion. We could maybe even move Media Days up to Thunder Week and all just flat out hammered on Bardstown road….
In an industrial society which confuses work and productivity, the necessity of producing has always been an enemy of the desire to create. - Raoul Vaneigem
take this job and shove it - Johnny Paycheck
by tempebamafan on Aug 18, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
West Virginia.
It gets us a competitive, but not world beater quality team. DC and Virginia Markets. There is no other competition really in West Virginia for butts in the seats, and it gets us closer to infringing on Big 10 country even more than we are now.
WVa is the easy win.
That's the way I went.
Plus, their fans burn couches and are thus every bit as buck-ass crazy as our own.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Aug 18, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
WFV never crossed my mind when the expansion machine started rolling again, but the more people talk about it, the more I like it. I think we need to go east to maintain the balance, and if the gentleman’s agreement holds up, it makes the most since. I don’t think we can get Va Tech if we are only adding one school from the east, ditto for the NC schools. And I feel like they have the potential to grow their brand. They have a strong fanbase, that is similar to SEC schools in passion, to start with and once you add the SEC brand, I believe they can get some serious attention in that area of the country
by MemphisTide on Aug 18, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Plus, it would be an easy nine-hour commute!
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 18, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed, solid choice if not the home run...
like A&M and as you say both have new markets with Texas being the big one, but WVU is close to Pittsburgh and the DC market which is more critical this time around. The solid choices worked last time instead of the diva longhorns and the Noles and I think they would work just as well this time.
Will not happen, but I would like Tulane back also. Would be great if they still had 80,000 seat Tulane Stadium to get that rivalry going again.
"Fast Eddie: No bar?
Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."
From the movie--The Hustler
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Aug 18, 2011 12:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Supa-dome!
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 18, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Well yeah, that works too...
Bring back the Greenies!
"Fast Eddie: No bar?
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by mjtig on Aug 18, 2011 1:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's a safe bet.
Plust WVa would be happy to be in a “real” conference.
And they could finally expand their stadium once that SEC cash comes rolling in.
And they’re competitive. They’ve either handed, or almost handed, asses to SEC teams.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
WVU would be good....
They would also make the SEC better in basketball like Louisville would, but with new markets.
Plus UK and West Virginia could probably have an interesting border war.
Until this Wednesday
I thought da U might be an option – brings in the S Fla market. Not likely now though.
I was thinking that too.
But we can’t play in a nuclear wasteland.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Where is Oklahoma on your poll?
Missouri – losers, no tradition
Louisville – second rate, forget it
Clemson – maybe
Florida State – would prefer to stay in the ACC and dominate
Georgia Tech – already have the ATL market
West Virginia – zzzz
Virginia Tech – maybe
North Carolina – no football tradition
NC State – we already have Ole Miss
Oklahoma isn't coming. You might has well have asked "Where is Ohio State on your poll?"
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by Slice of Life on Aug 18, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Why aren't the Beavers on your pole?
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 18, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty much this
Oklahoma doesn’t seem a viable candidate at this point. I only put in teams that seem somewhat realistic.
why are you thinking about this from soley a football standpoint.
we have the ability here to add depth to our entire athletic and academic resume.
North Carolina would be a great addition to the SEC for many reasons, they just probably wouldnt go anywhere without duke.
Missouri is a good academic institution and expands our market.
Virginia Tech is easily the top choice for adding to the east in my opinion.
Dont look at expansion solely through football glasses. We arent going to be adding another florida or alabama because there isnt one.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
North Carolina is a snobbish school, and would never join the SEC.
Missouri would not expand our conference TV market, as you have the Cardinals, the Chiefs and the Blues to compete with. College is 4th easy in that state. You over estimate Missouri.
V Tech is tied to legislature, who likely would make us take the shitty Cavaliers.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
you mentioned miami as a market
and they have TWICE as many other sport teams to deal with, plus it being a big city and the beach.
missouri is a halfway decent market in terms of viable teams we could get going west. you underestimate mizzou.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
And if you watched "The U"
Then you would know that Miami Hurricanes is THE sport in Miami, and that’s still true.
Hurricanes > Dolphins > Heat > Marlins.
And I estimate Mizzou just right. Not as good a market as going to WVa or Virginia. Missouri is just not SEC caliber.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
in order to keep some semblance of the current divisions
you HAVE to add 2 from the west, 2 from the east.
You are wrong about miami. that may have been true back in the 80s but not now. If you think miami football is bigger than the heat, you are an idiot.
viable western teams:
oklahoma state
kansas
kansas state
A&M
Memphis
Houston
some other smaller school
Mizzou and A&M make the most sense here, academically and athletically. There arent many other choices given our geographic restraints.
viable easter teams:
FSU
Miami
VaTech
UNC
Clemson
Maryland
va tech and maryland both have bigger pulls than miami due to their proximity to cities larger than miami and dont reside in a state that already has an SEC team, something the SEC probably doesnt want to do.
- Rangers finish 85-77 - Josey Wales
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I do think Miami is still bigger than the heat.
I don’t see people wearing Heat items, I do see Da U (EVERYWHERE).
I think you’re too bullish on Missouri, but I can agree with Maryland. UNC would never come without Duke (and who the hell would want Duke, I don’t count basketyball).
Clemson and Memphis would never be allowed for much the same reason. We’d never invite Houston when we have A&M.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
but you see...that pretty much only leaves us with mizzou as an option.
and you are wrong. i was in miami not too long ago and it was miami heat crap everywhere. especially once the next season starts up, more and more people are going to be focused on the heat. they do not own south florida like you think they do anymore.
- Rangers finish 85-77 - Josey Wales
- I picture GoET with a reptilian dong anyway - RIver Fenix
by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
If this scandal hadn't happened
with the NBA lockout looming, I wonder if things might have changed.
You left out W Virginia.
And the Terps would be good.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't live IN Miami,
but I’m only 75 miles away, and that is completely incorrect from my view. Hardly anyone cares about the Canes. Most people are Dolphins fans, then there are Gators and Noles. Then Heat. Then Canes. Then Marlins.
God bless our Dark Lord.
dont you love it when people who have no idea what they are talking about
act like they do?
- Rangers finish 85-77 - Josey Wales
- I picture GoET with a reptilian dong anyway - RIver Fenix
by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah....
Miami sports fans in general aren’t that great so even if the Canes were number 1 then that probably still wouldn’t matter.
For all the popularity the Heat now supposedly have there were a ton of Mavs fans in Miami for the NBA Finals. I mean, we’re talking Mavs fans here. It’s not even like we are talking about the Celtics. I’m sure Mavs fans are good fans, but it’s embarrassing to have them show up your home crowd in the biggest games of the year.
Wasn't Mizzou one game away from playing for an NC?
Within the last few years?
"I don't know; we haven't played Alabama yet." -Vince Lombardi
The year LSU won, IIRC.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Aug 18, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell...
…Kent State was only a couple of games away from playing for an NC that year….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 18, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a scandal that we didn't....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 18, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a textbook case of a textbook case....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 19, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Oklahoma is too attached at the root of $Texas's dong.
Just look how they rolled over last round.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Louisville...second rate?
They handed us our asses in a bowl game, ffs. Plus, Charile Strong is a recruiting beast. Given a year or two in the SEC, with that conference cash flow, they would be very competitive, imho.
"...because you've got your mind right, and that's the way we like it." Nick Saban
Why do we assume it must be 14?
Is there a rule saying you must have an even number?
For the sake of this post I’ll go along with the 14 guess. If so I think it wil be Missouri.
Why? 1. They want in. 2. It could open the door for the 2 we really want Okie & Okie St, which would bring us to the magic 16. 3. No one will block them. 4. They bring TV sets with them.
I do think there are enough out there to block FSU that it will not happen.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
CT has asked this before, but I'll ask it again.
Why is 16 the magic number. I understand that expansion = more markets = more $, but why is 16 so widely considered to be inherently better than 14?
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Aug 18, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Or 18?
What is so perfect about 16 that people think it is the obvious inevitable answer?
God bless our Dark Lord.
Or 12.5? WTF?
Charles Martel, Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, Raymond IV the Count of Toulouse, Godfrey of Bouillon, Baldwin of Boulogne, Henry II, Richard the Lionheart, St. Joan of Arc and Napoleon Bonaparte -- all of good stock.
by TiderUpNorth on Aug 18, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
14
Of course there doesn’t have to be, but I just get the feeling that the SEC wants to handle expansion in no more than two waves and if 16 is the target (which so many people believe to be the case), I don’t think they’ll want to handle it in three waves of expansion or more.
Equal numbers in each division
makes scheduling easier. As I understand it, the SEC want to add add one in the East and one in the West so that the current teams in each division can stay in that division. And, they are trying traditional divisional rivalries (BAMA vs West Opelika, etc) together.
by BamaFaninATL on Aug 18, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
No, Missouri wants into the B1G
The B1G said no thanks. I don’t want the B1G’s sloppy seconds.
And they really DON’T bring in a lot of realistic TV sets.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Slive has said....
that if the price of getting OU was taking OK St with them then he would pass. I don’t see any reason he would change his mind at this point.
You should do another one on who we wish the 14th team was. I think Florida State is the front runner but I would love to see us pick up VaTech or Clemson.
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by crimsonpride19 on Aug 18, 2011 10:32 AM CDT reply actions
They had their chance in the 90's
And decided to have a decade of cheap and easy ACC titles.
by Durdens Wrath on Aug 18, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
it makes the most sense to go after a new market and not a team currently in a state occupied by an SEC team.
Virginia Tech is the best answer as it makes sense competitively, academically, and economically.
- Rangers finish 85-77 - Josey Wales
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 10:59 AM CDT reply actions
Lets do this
If VT beats Bama in the opener next year, we invite them in…
"Some people have a way with words....some people....not have way." - Steve Martin
That opener is in 2013.
FYI http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/07/alabama_virginia_tech_to_open.html
"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."
--Paul "Bear" Bryant
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
That one too
Off by a year.
"Some people have a way with words....some people....not have way." - Steve Martin
Viable Options
With the debate at hand here and the MEDIA pushing this onslaught of conference expansion, everyone knows what schools we would LIKE to have and what schools really ARE an option for the SEC. VA Tech is a great school and with the location of it does not split up any rivalries, thus continuing the tradition of the West VS East in the SEC Championship game. It brings a hell of a TV market with it as well. Clemson is another viable option but the market for it is not as lucrative. Florida St. is the kicker. I, myself, want Florida St. to join the SEC but it will not happen. It threatens to break up the conference East and West alignment and the SEC would have to move a team from the West to the East. If indeed a team like Mizzou, Louisville, FSU is added, be prepared for total conference overhaul in the Schedule section.
"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."
--Paul "Bear" Bryant
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
Err...
How is that you think adding a team to the East would necessitate moving a team from the western division to the eastern division?
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Aug 18, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I mean't if added a team to the West not East.
FSU and Mizzou would have to be in the West. Thus us moving a team from the West to the East. If we added Va Tech or Clemson no conference change up whatsoever.
"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."
--Paul "Bear" Bryant
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
still not following...why do we HAVE to put fsu in the west?
in your scenario, but mizzou in the west, fsu in the east. you dont have to mess everything up… right now the division splits at the time change…thats on purpose.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
see comment below
forgot the damn reply button
"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."
--Paul "Bear" Bryant
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
yeah i got it. when we go up to 14 teams for whatever time period, we shouldnt have to restructure things.
the issue happens when/if we go to 16 and depending on the teams we are able to get.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
For informational purposes
Vanderbilt is in the east but is in the central time. I’m from the Nashville area and don’t go putting me in that no count hillbilly time zone.
VANDY DOESNT COUNT
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Your correct.
I totally forgot about the time change. I guess my point is kind of erroneous now lol
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--Paul "Bear" Bryant
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
You've got rec....
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 18, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
my thoughts on potential 15th and 16th teams
…and why just getting the best football programs we can find isn’t necessarily what we want from expansion.
I originally drafted this as a reply on this thread, but it got too long, so I made it into a fanpost.
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/8/18/2370557/the-case-for-unc-duke
Mizzou...
C’mon crackers, think outside the box here :)
Inanity @gothlaw
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by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 18, 2011 1:03 PM CDT reply actions
Would you rename the conference then?
Because Mizzou is not “South Eastern” in geography.
"Some people have a way with words....some people....not have way." - Steve Martin
colorado isnt pacific...
tcu isnt eastern.
the naming doesnt really matter anymore, if anything you keep the name for recognition and historical purposes.
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- I picture GoET with a reptilian dong anyway - RIver Fenix
by Mr. Abe Froman on Aug 18, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
True
I’ve let my pro southern predilection show. I would rather keep it a bubba thing ;)
"Some people have a way with words....some people....not have way." - Steve Martin
If you think there aren't bubbas in Mizzou, whoooo boy.
1/2 the state is Arkansas.
Inanity @gothlaw
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 18, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
As EDSBS put it, Roadhouse was filmed there
"Fast Eddie: No bar?
Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."
From the movie--The Hustler
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Aug 18, 2011 1:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh yeah
the place that had the sign in the men’s room "Dont eat the big white mints!
"Some people have a way with words....some people....not have way." - Steve Martin
Bless their hearts
Like that?
"Some people have a way with words....some people....not have way." - Steve Martin
Yeah, another solid choice
"Fast Eddie: No bar?
Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."
From the movie--The Hustler
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Aug 18, 2011 1:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Finebaum is putting me on his show . . .
. . . to not reveal the name of the 14th team.
by toofull on Aug 18, 2011 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Brilliant.
Inanity @gothlaw
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 18, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Other. I vote ASU
This is not the end. This is the beginning.
-- Coach Nick Saban, January 16, 2010
by houndstoothbear on Aug 18, 2011 11:26 PM CDT reply actions
Picture Fail... Try 2
This is not the end. This is the beginning.
-- Coach Nick Saban, January 16, 2010
by houndstoothbear on Aug 18, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you have to have caps
to be on that squad? Wow
"Some people have a way with words....some people....not have way." - Steve Martin
Or photoshop.
Wait. That doesn’t make any sense. Oh well, that’s never stopped anyone from posting a comment on the internet, so here goes!
Thirteen.
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