Rodney Young Odum was arrested late yesterday and charged with Manslaughter and Sale / Delivery of a Controlled Substance (Methadone). He is currently in custody at the Nassau County Jail, where a bond has been set at $50,000.00
The Fernandina (Fla.) Police Department has issued a press release this morning announcing the arrest in connection with the death of Alabama offensive lineman Aaron Douglas after a house party in that city last May.
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I know the spelling is different
but when I saw Odum I was thinking this had to do with the Antwan situation.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I hope all involved
the cab driver, the residents, and anyone else that contributed in anyway to Douglas’ death will receive serious jail time. Ulitmately he was responsible for his actions but those that contributed should not go unpunished.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I totally disagree with you...
Ultimately it was Douglas who asked for the drugs and chose as an adult to take them and he paid the price. What happened to personal responsibility? It would be different if the dealer denied him emergency care or medical help in the case of an O.D. BTW why not charge Pfizer? I mean after all, they are obviously not doing enough to keep drugs off the street?
Also consider the amount of drugs in his system “The Medical Examiner’s toxicology report revealed trace amounts of Carisoprodol, Diazepam, Meprobamate, Nordiazepam, Oxycodone, and Cannabinoids.” This was not isolated to the cab driver giving him a deadly dose of methadone.
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by lbdasdog on Aug 23, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, this seems exceedingly stupid to me.
Douglas was an adult capable of making his own decisions, for better or for worse. Even if this guy sold him that particular drug and even if that particular drug was the cause of Douglas’ death (two massive ifs, mind you), I still see little reason for attaching criminal liability.
Besides, I’m highly suspicious of any charge to this effect simply because something to this effect would rarely be pursued if the “victim” in that particular case wasn’t a high-profile individual. Let this guy sell methadone to, and subsequently cause the death of, some random 19-year old high school dropout who works at Burger King and I guarantee you none of this ever comes about. As far as I’m concerned this is probably more about trying to project an image of being tough on crime than anything else.
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by outsidethesidelines on Aug 23, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No way he's convicted of manslaughter.
Now, if he was selling the drug illegally that’s a different story… whether one agrees with the law in that case or not.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Assuming he's guilty of selling it, yes.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Oh. Well if he didn't sell it then of course he's not guilty of manslaughter.
God bless our Dark Lord.
He's not anyway imo.
That would set one hell of a precedent though.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Well yeah, there's this:
Law enforcement is currently working with the Florida Attorney General’s Office and the Governor to change our statewide reputation as a pill mill
God bless our Dark Lord.
Apparently the local authorities disagree with you.
I think all fifty is saying is that those who contributed to the unfortunate, and avoidable incident should take or be held personally responsible for their unlawful actions.
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by thecalicocat on Aug 23, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you, but
you’re mistaken about this part:
This was not isolated to the cab driver giving him a deadly dose of methadone.
The sentence just before the one you quoted says:
the Methadone alone was sufficient enough to cause death, while no other combination would have likely caused death.
It wasn’t isolated to just the methadone, but according to the Medical Examiner that is what killed him. (I’m not sure why they’re calling it multiple drug toxicity if the methadone was really the lethal ingredient, other than the fact that other drugs were present.)
God bless our Dark Lord.
So after a brief skimming of the
wiki definition of manslaughter I do think that Young may be charged with manslaughter. But I think OTS makes a good point when he says in the less publicized case, they would not pursue this route. However, I do think they have a legal grounds to charge him with involuntary manslaughter.
I think it is also important to consider that Young is also a person and should be treated as such and should not merely be made an example of. I don’t pretend to know more about toxicology than the coroner, but what I can gather from the press statement is that they are looking to make an example of this guy(the dealer). You can say that it is enough to cause death but not necessarily the cause of death. Several factors went into the unfortunate death of Aaron, and to essentially end the life of another, I think would be tragic as well.
Clearly there is a history of drug use with Aaron, and as I know from experience with addicts they will do whatever it takes to score drugs. Its not like this guy knocked on Aaron’s door, while he was home alone in elementary school and offered him drugs(first times free kid). Lets put things into perspective, and forgo the public flogging.
"Snap into a Slim Jim, oh yeah!" - Macho Man Randy Savage
Manslaughter is stretching it
unless we’re going to charge every dealer who has someone OD on stuff they sold the same way.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I agree
I could go either way on this. Then again my extent of my legal training/knowledge is that wiki article.
BTW, it also seems to me that it really doesn’t matter what the precedent is… My limited experience of the criminal justice system is that once you are charged the conviction is just a matter of time. Unless of coarse you have a bunch of money or are a dumb ##### that murders your daughter…
"Snap into a Slim Jim, oh yeah!" - Macho Man Randy Savage
I'm no lawya either
but had she been charged with manslaughter rather than Murder 1 the outcome may have been different.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Actually,
I wouldn’t have a problem with that. I agree with people who say our laws need reworking when it comes to drugs, but if you are selling something illegal that can kill someone I don’t really pity you if you get charged with manslaughter. Whether that is the guy who sold this stuff to Douglas or someone else who sold it to a random 19 year old.
But I agree, there should be consistency.
Fine.
Let’s extend homicide liability to vendors of firearms who didn’t do the “i’s” on a purchaser’s application.
This way lies madness.
Inanity @gothlaw
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 23, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
What I said was....
that if you are selling something ***illegal*** then I don’t think you should get the benefit of relying on a grown adult’s own discretion when something goes wrong. The point being you shouldn’t have been selling the product in the first place.
Anything that could discourage people from selling substances like this in the first place could save some lives.
It's not illegal, per se...
but it’s sale is controlled. You know, like guns.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Some folks just don't have enough government control in their lives
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Yeah I know....
the substance itself isn’t illegal, but the sale of it on the black market is. If someone has a legitimate use for the drug then they can get it through a doctor, but someone who wants to buy it on the black market is planning on abusing it and that dramatically increases the chances that you’re going to kill yourself. The dealer isn’t stupid so he knows that points 1 and 2 are true. So holding him partially responsible for the guy’s death when he knew what the situation was seems perfectly fair to me.
As for guns, that’s another issue. I don’t think there should be very many restrictions on guns in the first place, but I won’t get into politics.
A firearm sale, like sale of pharmaceuticals.
Outside of the regulated environment, would be a close analogue.
Inanity @gothlaw
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 24, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
If there is a thug.....
buying a gun off the black market then whoever is selling the gun knows what the circumstances are. These are most likely pretty bad dudes who don’t care if someone gets hurt. It’s the whole reason they are doing their business on the black market to begin with.
If a legitimate firearms dealer doesn’t dot all the “i’s” and cross all the “t’s” then that’s another issue. He wasn’t intentionally doing something illegal and the whole point of his business is not to further illegal activity as in the case of a black market dealer.
When I was a young buck touring the Dead...
My buddy was busted in a sting selling LSD. He sold a bible which was roughly 100 books of 10, so thats about 100,000 charges of attempted manslaughter. Each hit was 1 charge. I haven’t seen him since…
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by Tokeisch on Aug 23, 2011 5:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Attempted manslaughter?
Are you shitting me?
Inanity @gothlaw
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 23, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Not at all
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success." -Coach Bear Bryant
"I thInk everybody should take the attItude that we’re workIng to be a champIon, that we want to be a champIon In everythIng that we do. every choIce, every decIsIon, everythIng that we do every day, we want to be a champIon."
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by Tokeisch on Aug 23, 2011 10:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Even Snopes knows this is bullshit.
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Aug 24, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Isn't manslaughter by definition when you didn't have intent to kill?
So how is “attempted manslaughter” possible?
God bless our Dark Lord.
You can have intentional manslaughter
Classic case: Come home, see your wife in a gangbang. You flip, and shoot.
Intentional Manslaughter.
Inanity @gothlaw
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 24, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
If you got stabbed four times
and shot twice, but one of the gunshot wounds, and only that one, resulted in death, the cause of death would still say “multiple traumatic injuries.”
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by otisnixon'sparty on Aug 24, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed that Aaron Douglas was ultimately responsible for
his own actions, but this was one troubled kid. As the mother of a 21 year old I feel for his parents and want all those who help supply drugs to young people to be off the streets. I know that’s not going to happen, but one less is certainly okay with me. Who knows how that evening would have gone without this particular guy’s contribution?
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by Crimsn&White on Aug 24, 2011 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions
In my experience...
And there is no offense intended towards Aaron or anyone else for that matter. But, people are going to be who they are going to be. If they are hell-bent on getting high or drunk or whatever, then that’s what they are going to do. They will find their substance of choice one way or the other. So if this dude didn’t sell him the stuff, he’d have kept trying until he got it. Maybe even commiting worse crimes in the process (think about that for a minute). Trying to go back and punish everyone ever associated with the substance/item sold because of one person’s actions is assinine, IMO.
Look, if there is a local law that states that it is illegal to sell “Substance X” and if caught the punishment is “ABC”, then that’s where it ends. Dude got caught performing an illegal act and should be punished accordingly. The fact that the purchaser did something with it that ended HIS OWN life, then that’s tragic and very emotional, but not a situation that warrants charging murder/manslaughter to someone else.
I believe we should keep emotion out of our laws and just limit them to things where one person or entity violates the RIGHTS of others and end it there. In other words, I’m not big on “victimless crimes”. But apparently I’m in the minority.
My condolences are with his family and can only imagine what they are feeling and dealing with right now. I hope they can find peace soon.
There's no way, *no* way that you came from *my* loins. Soon as I get home, first thing I'm gonna do is punch yo mamma in da mouth! - B.T.J.
I agree that people are going to do what they want to do, but.....
that doesn’t mean they don’t deserve punishment. Part of the purpose for punishment is to deter the behavior in others and thus maintain civil order.
As for drug dealers, if some of them thought that they could get a manslaughter conviction if someone dies then maybe that will keep some of them from doing it. And I don’t advocate that every person that could have possibly ever been connected with the making of a substance or product(like a gun) should be held accountable is someone gets killed. My argument though is that if someone’s actions by their very nature are illegal and by their very nature tend to contribute to someone’s death then I don’t have a problem with punishing that person accordingly.
I've been to that area before on vacation
Amelia Island/ Fernandina Beach is a nice area that really never struck me as a party zone… Probably because it’s 13 miles long with two large state parks. The again, I could’ve missed some big party festival
Fumbles. It was always Fumbles
by DocFumbles on Aug 23, 2011 11:18 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Think I've figured it out now...
Any one who’s ever had to be put on methadone learns ONE fact immediately: Shit has a terrible-nasty half life (can be up to 50 hours, IIRC). And there is always a potentially lethal synergistic effect w/morphine-like substances and booze (1 oz of alcohol can raise the blood concentration of the drugs up to 6xs).
This is a recipe for respiratory depression/collapse.
/long story.
Inanity @gothlaw
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 23, 2011 1:54 PM CDT reply actions
Thought he died of a speedball?
(plugged Coke/H)?
Inanity @gothlaw
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 23, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
You are correct, sir.
That half-life is also dangerous for IV users who’ve been on Methadone for a period of time, and then fall off the wagon. Because it’s a blocker, the junkie takes that monster hit and the heart just stops. I feel for Douglas’ parents and relatives for the loss. He looked like he was making a turn for the better. He certainly was in the right place to become a better football player, and , possibly a better person.
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I knew it was long as hell...
Pain disorder. Dilaudid for 3 years. Methadone once. Shit was physically rougher to come off of than Dilaudid.
Inanity @gothlaw
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 23, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
For the record:
Aaron had 4 prescription meds in him. Carisoprodol (Soma) that metabolizes to Meprobamate, Diazepam (Valium) that metabolizes to Nordiazepam, Methadone, and Oxycodone. It is well known that when Methadone is mixed with a benzodiazepine such as Valium or Xanax the Q-T interval of the heart beat is elongated causing arrythmia and heart failure. My brother died accidentally from this mixture about five years ago.
My speculative guess is Aaron had just had surgery on his foot after spring practice and may have been given the Oxycodone for pain relief and ran out and asked the taxi driver if he could score him some more opiates. Maybe that was all the driver had. He was maybe on it himself. There really isn’t much euphoria in Methadone. It does have an extremely long half-life which takes forever to wean a patient off.
by PharmacyBob on Aug 23, 2011 11:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Meh.
What do you know about this? It ain’t like you’re a pharmacist or something.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Sorry to hear about your brother.
That is awful.
There's no way, *no* way that you came from *my* loins. Soon as I get home, first thing I'm gonna do is punch yo mamma in da mouth! - B.T.J.
I would literally shoot myself
If I ever had to go through Methadone withdrawal again. One month on, two months of hell thereafter.
Inanity @gothlaw
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 24, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
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