News outlets in Tennessee are reporting that Alabama's Executive Director of Athletics, Dave Hart, has been offered the University of Tennessee Athletic Director job. We are still waiting word but this would be a big loss of UA and a huge coup for the Vols.
Outside of Coach Saban, Hart's hiring in 2008 might be the most important made on the watch of UA AD Mal Moore. Hart has pretty much run the day-to-day operations for some time now and, more importantly, he's been in charge of bolstering the effectiveness of the compliance department.
There's a reason we turn a deaf ear when nattering websites try and make a case against Alabama athletes based on flimsy evidence. When the UA compliance department issues a statement saying they have investigated an incident that statement carries weight.
And that's not homerism. Quality investigative reporters who know a thing or two about college football scandals know it as well. The key to preventing scandals comes down to "leadership and compliance" and Dave Hart has definitely provided that at The Capstone.
UPDATE:: Don Kausler Jr tweets that UA has confirmed Hart has conferred with UT about the AD job "and no timeframe exists for making a decision."
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Well, that would still leave us
needing an assistent AD. Ozzie ain’t coming if he doesn’t get the top spot (and he might not even then).
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Sep 1, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I doubt that we could even get him to be the head guy.
But, Dave Hart has done a good job. Maybe we could offer him the title of AD in waiting.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
by 5026 on Sep 1, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you think he really wants
all of the Vol’s problems right now? I know he came to Alabama at a not-so-great time (i.e. textbookgate), but surely other, more stable, programs have their eyes on him too. On the other hand, the Vols are a top-tier university overall, sports-wise, and are just having some really down years, so maybe he jumps at the chance.
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Sep 1, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions
it's the top slot at one of the premier athletic departments in the country
i’d hate to see him go but this is a fantastic opportunity for him and a damn smart choice by the vols.
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I don't know I'd call it premier.
They’re great.
But not in the context of $Texas, Michigan, ND, or us.
by Durdens Wrath on Sep 1, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
I think UT Athletics is pretty big, especially taking into account basketball, both teams.
"There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self." - Ernest Hemingway
by BamaReturns07 on Sep 1, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say they were us, but I'd argue they are a premier AD
not in the last couple of years, but definitly over the past 25 years they are pretty damn good.
"There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self." - Ernest Hemingway
by BamaReturns07 on Sep 2, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Right.
But why leave here for a program that isn’t as good.
That’d almost be a lateral move.
by Durdens Wrath on Sep 2, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing that with you at all
I was only speaking to your placement of UT as a non-premier AD. I completely agree on your other point.
"There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self." - Ernest Hemingway
by BamaReturns07 on Sep 2, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
"damn smart choice," "huge coup"
I like these phrases you use. Crossing my fingers.
One of these days, we’re going to have a 3SIO rematch in Atlanta, and it’s gonna be awesome.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 1, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I
don’t know, aside from fundraising, he’s basically doing the AD job at Alabama now. One would think Moore is close to retirement. If he hangs in there a few more years, he would officially have the job. If I had a choice of driving a VW now, or an Audi a few years from now, well you get the idea.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
What do we know about Hart's age, experience...?
TN might almost be a lateral move, compared to where he’s positioned now.
define "problems"
the NCAA stuff has blown over, and fairly little happened apart from firing Pearl.
If you just mean “a football and basketball program that have seen better days,” it’s a fair statement, but not something I’d expect to scare a potential AD.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 1, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
"Problems"
chief among them would be having to look at that god-awful puke orange every day.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
by J Tadpole on Sep 1, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
good taste is usually not defined as "problems"
y’all have a strange idiolect over here
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 1, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
"welcome to Knoxville! Which shade of orange would you like for your office, Mr. Hart...vomit or babysh*t?"
What a perk…
by RollBirdsRoll on Sep 1, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's awesome, but substitute "Knoxville" for "Purgatory" and it's aces.
" Don’t worry, you’ve been lumped." -- so sayeth Todd, 30th August in the Year of Our Lord 2011, 9:10PM
They can't even decide on which awful color of Orange they're going to use.
They have about threeve shades.
by Durdens Wrath on Sep 2, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
as screwed up as tennessee looked at the end of the fulmer reign
they have made some very intelligent hires since. hart would be a continuation of that.
the big reason i’m crediting hart with the effectiveness of bama compliance is because he has allowed the department to operate without the kind of restraints that have scuppered other schools. it’s not enough to hire a quality compliance staff – ohio state has one of the largest in the country – you have to let them do their jobs. that happened at alabama with hart at the helm.
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alright, kleph
you’ve taken me from “who is he?” to “WE HAVE TO GET THIS GUY” in about ten minutes.
If he stays at Bama, I will glare angrily in your direction.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 1, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
one of the things we've examined in detail here at RBR
is how the turmoil in the athletic department has historically led to serious issues with the football program. probably the number one hire that turned the crimson tide around was not saban, but robert witt.
what we’ve seen in the past five years is a very professionally run athletic department. the most obvious example of that is the success of the football team but pretty much the whole scope of the sports at alabama have seen improvement.
my belief is that these individual units are improving partly because they are not having to deal with the more administrative issues that divert their resources. people like dave hart are doing that and then – and this is the tricky part – letting the people under him have enough leeway to do their jobs.
i recognize this because i’ve spent years covering multi-billion dollar construction companies. the most successful tend to have a robust and effective internal structure that gives solid support to the supplementary units but also sufficient autonomy. it takes a lot of extremely skilled people to pull it off, much less to excell at it. and we’ve seen that happen at the capstone.
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need another testament to hart's merit?
volunteer nation thinks he’d be a horrible hire.
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by kleph on Sep 1, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hah, I noticed that
With all the stuff coming out about Alabama recently, I would stay way the hell away from this guy.
Yeah, that story has really blown up…
Proud member of the Fax Girl fan club.
sadly
the UT administration seems to be a bit brighter than the fanbase. at least recently, anyway.
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I live in Tennessee...
It’s cute, they think they’re still relevant.
Craig James. 5 dead hookers. You do the math.
they make hires like this
and they will be.
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But isn't he destined to take over as our AD when Mal steps down?
Why leave for UT when the UA job may be his soon?
We live in the city of dreams, we drive on the highway of fire, should we awake and find it gone, remember this our favorite town
i imagine
the price just went up substantially.
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we can survive losing him
as long as we keep mike ward on board.
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I can only imagine what kind of underpaid pressure cooker a compliance director works within.
Imagine (despite recruiting and excellent coaching) that the life of all sports programs rests on YOUR shoulders. For that salary, the pressure is hardly fair.
" Don’t worry, you’ve been lumped." -- so sayeth Todd, 30th August in the Year of Our Lord 2011, 9:10PM
This was going to be my big question for you
As much of a difference as Dave Hart has made, do you think we have anyone in place to continue that legacy? Could it be a situation where Dave created a better system for us and now we just need responsible people who can run the system?
Nature or Nurture? Either way it's your parents fault!
Furk.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
by J Tadpole on Sep 1, 2011 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It would be most fun
if he turned them down.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
UT Denying the rumors so far....
per this website….basically stating that a deal isn’t even on the table as of right now.
Now, I put about as much stock in the “denial” of the rumor as I do with the SEC and Texas A&M “denials” about A&M coming to the SEC….and I think most of us are pretty clear how that’s going to turn out. UT obviously wouldn’t want to deal with the embarassment of being shot down after putting any publicity into their desire for Hart.
I hope we keep the guy. ‘Bama is his alma mater and the LSU guy already turned them down to stay in Baton Rouge after getting a pay raise. I think with Mal Moore in his 70’s, and Hart the “heir apparent”, he has a pretty good shot of being the top guy in the next year or so (perhaps sooner).
I hope we put the “AD-in-waiting” tag on him with pay commensurate to that of Mal Moore. We’ll see how this plays out though.
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. ~General George S. Patton~
Ask Texas
how well the _________-in-waiting thing turned out.
Nature or Nurture? Either way it's your parents fault!
Same for West Virginia.
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by Crimsoncaller on Sep 1, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't ever want to lose anyone or anything to Tennessee. Not even a game of horseshoes.
" Don’t worry, you’ve been lumped." -- so sayeth Todd, 30th August in the Year of Our Lord 2011, 9:10PM
by TiderUpNorth on Sep 1, 2011 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I don't know where I can go...
…to let these ghosts out of my skull….
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Bhm News' Don Kausler Jr.
says UA confirms hart has spoken to UT about the AD job but no timeframe exists for making a decision.
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NOTICE TO THE IDIOTS
if you read this and feel obligated to send me an email with some hot tip about the conspiracy within the compliance department, please just send it directly to here as i have done with all the one’s i have recieved thus far.
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Paging....5026...
Please report to the thread immediately. There is talk of a potential conspiracy.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
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