Among the specific targets: anyone who "seeks to obtain any type of financial gain or benefit from securing a prospective student-athlete's enrollment at an educational institution or a from a student-athlete's potential earnings as a professional athlete."
Such activity by an agent would render the athlete ineligible.
USAToday: NCAA Closes Cam Newton "Loophole"
Well, this is just fabulous. Never mind the "Is it a loophole?" argument- thanks to Cecil Newton, the NCAA has created the rule that many of us feared they would. Want to make a star recruit ineligible at a rival school? Go to that school and try to sell his services there. By this definition you just became a sports agent acting on his behalf. I can't imagine this being a problem.
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I agree with you Tadpole.
NCAA reacts rather than acts. One day someone will actually pull this stunt.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
You have to have some link to the recruit, as it says in the linked article.
In those cases, the new measure also would apply an agent’s tag to contract advisors, financial advisors, marketing representatives, brand managers “or anyone who is employed by or associated with such persons.” Where the NCAA currently monitors agent activity in regard to marketing athletes to professional teams, the proposal adds approaches to colleges.
I guess this means that someone like Landon Collins’ mum, could ‘force’ her son into going to LSU in the future. Maybe?
How do you figure?
I guess this means that someone like Landon Collins’ mum, could ‘force’ her son into going to LSU in the future. Maybe?
I haven’t read any of the links, so maybe you’re talking about something else in the articles, but how does the NCAA placing restrictions on agents lead to the conclusion that LC’s mother could force him to go to LSU?
Fourteen.
By asking UA for money for him,
but this is incorrect because, as noted before, that would make him ineligible at any school, per this rule.
God bless our Dark Lord.
Well...
If the woman is soulless enough, she could present her son with the ultimatum “You will play for LSU, or else you will not play football at all.”
Of course, that sort of coercion seems to kill the golden goose altogether if it’s carried out.
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Jan 13, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Surely there's more to it than that.
I would hope that there has to be evidence linking the “agent” to the athlete, such as Cecil in Cam’s case.
So hmm..with this being said..
Before the rule it was okay for Cecil to attempt sell his services to any school..so long as he didn’t go there. Although no money/benefits changed hands it was within rules and was ethically and morally okay per the bylaws 2011 and back..butttt 2012 forward it is isn’t..way to be consistent NCAA!!!
by UNVNSABAN on Jan 11, 2012 10:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
That's how I read it....
…..makes you go hmmmm
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"I thInk everybody should take the attItude that we’re workIng to be a champIon, that we want to be a champIon In everythIng that we do. every choIce, every decIsIon, everythIng that we do every day, we want to be a champIon."
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by Tokeisch on Jan 11, 2012 11:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Because something is within the rules does not mean that it's ethically and morally OK. And vice versa.
Those are different concepts.
God bless our Dark Lord.
I guess rules infractions work just like on-field altercations...
you’ll get away with it if you’re the one to throw the first punch, but they’ll flag the other guy.
There never should have been a loophole.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 12, 2012 1:29 AM CST reply actions
or a wormhole?
I LOVE THE ASTROS. Now lets win something!
by ccislanders on Jan 12, 2012 1:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
or a black hole
Talent can only get you so far. Give me a player who has less talent, but the heart of a champion and the will to succeed.
by Bamapride on Jan 12, 2012 6:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
or an a-hole
9th January, 2012: Section 101, Row 1, Seat... I'll let y'all spot that one.
"And a crashin' blow from a huge right hand
Sent a Louisiana fellow to the Promised Land"
-- "Big John" by Jimmy Dean
by TiderUpNorth on Jan 12, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Both of you--
Nice!
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 12, 2012 6:59 AM CST reply actions
And both of you.
Jasands!
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 12, 2012 6:59 AM CST up reply actions
My initial comments were admittedly oversimplified
but there are two concerns here:
1- Now that the rule is written, how many schools would back off a kid immediately if someone pulled this stunt, just to avoid any drama and/or having to go through an investigation?
2- Even if the player knows and has a relationship with the perpetrator, it’s sickening to think that the player could lose his free education and any realistic chance at pro ball because of someone else’s actions that were never authorized by the player and that the player was unaware of.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I agree.
Here is my problem with Cam. I just find it hard to believe that Cam knew nothing and that Cecil never brought up money to Auburn. To me that is hard, very hard to believe.
But say a kids uncle or better yet a coach tries to peddle the kid for cash and the kid doesn’t know about it, then the kid is inelligble. If that is true it is sad.
Or say the coach really wants the kid to go to one school, the kid seems to lean towards a rival so the coach pitches the kid to rival school forcing him to go to the school the coach wants etc. If that is what we are talking about recruiting could go to a new level of craziness.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
No
under this rule the kid loses his entire NCAA eligibility once someone shops him, whether he knows about it or not. He can’t play anywhere.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Is there anything Emmert CAN'T f___ up?
Every rule/law is open to interpretation and what the NCAA have done in this case, is invent a rule that can (and will) be used by people to underhandedly sabotage their rivals. Brilliant, NCAA. Now, go fetch the whiteout.
9th January, 2012: Section 101, Row 1, Seat... I'll let y'all spot that one.
"And a crashin' blow from a huge right hand
Sent a Louisiana fellow to the Promised Land"
-- "Big John" by Jimmy Dean
by TiderUpNorth on Jan 12, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
There could be some sort of threat of mutually assured destruction....
One school can hurt its rival, but the other school can just as easily do the same thing in response. Before you know it, all the prized recruits are ineligible and everybody’s pissed.
There’s bound to be some unintended consequences here and there. I think we’ll just have to see how it plays out.
I definitely don’t agree that a kid should be ineligible forever though. There needs to be some sort of reinstatement process.
Agree with JT...
This isn’t going to be a problem at all. I mean, all it takes is a “mentor” type to take a little cash from a rival school, and then approach X Y or Z offering said athlete’s services.
Kid is unaware that he’s being a pawn in a dirty game, and BAM he’s screwed, as is the team he legitimately signed with. I am looking at Urban (who has a track record of flipping on kids who he lost out on), obviously the ‘Barn, some of those sketchy ass UT people, and any host of backwater, redneck, wanna’ be “agents” out there.
Inanity @gothlaw
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM CST reply actions
Don't be silly.
No way stuff like that would ever happen.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I conveniently omitted LSU too.
They, A&M, Oregon, Auburn and Cal still have that little Lyles matter to clear up, no?
Inanity @gothlaw
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is." -Sir Francis Bacon
by Stuck in the Plains on Jan 12, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
I get the impression
that the NCAA is kind of lumping all those “handler” deals together here. I think they realize that they are ill-equipped to police those guys and are hoping that writing rules this way will scare kids away from any dealings with the Lyles/Walt Williamses of the world. I doubt anything comes of the Lyles deal.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I doubt anything comes of the Lyles scandal either.
I mean, shit, Alabama, SMU and USC aren’t involved, so there’s nothing to see here.
9th January, 2012: Section 101, Row 1, Seat... I'll let y'all spot that one.
"And a crashin' blow from a huge right hand
Sent a Louisiana fellow to the Promised Land"
-- "Big John" by Jimmy Dean
by TiderUpNorth on Jan 12, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
The NCAA made their bed, now they have to lay in it
They could have made their firm statement by using some damned common sense regarding the Cam Newton saga. Instead, they let ticky tack “loopholes” get in the way. Now they’ve got to write a bunch of even worse loophole rules to try and cover their asses. In the end, the only people who will get hurt by it are the kids.
"If wanting to win is a fault, as some of my critics seem to insist, then I plead guilty. I like to win. I know no other way. It's in my blood." -- Paul "Bear" Bryant
They have to lie in it...
…works better. It’s grammatically correct, and it works either way you define it….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 12, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Even if they take a dump in it?
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 12, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
The freakin NCAA
…just can’t seem to get out of its own way. How many cases will be investigated next season regarding this ‘closed loophole’? This seems to give any fringe fanatic a-hole an easy avenue to cause turmoil at rival universities. If I call an auburn staff member and solicit money on behalf of their top uncommitted prospect, even though said prospect has never met nor heard of me and is completely unaware, am i an agent in the eyes of the NCAA? Is that player inelligible from the time the call is made until the NCAA completes an investigation? Dumb, dumber, dumbest. But par for the course it seems.
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