NFL Playoff System is a JOKE
by Son of Roaring Dan on Jan 15, 2012 7:03 PM CST
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We just sat through the travesty of the Packers -- a team that had a historic run in the regular season -- being forced to re-play a team it had already BEATEN on the opponent's HOME FIELD. It wasn't fair for them to have to have a rematch against the Giants -- a team it had already beaten. Some other team -- any old NFL team -- should have gotten the opportunity to play the Packers because its just not right to have a rematch. Why you say? Its because . . . well, its just wrong, Ok. Who cares if the Giants are actually the better team -- its just not fair. It throws into question the legitimacy of the whole system used by the NFL to pick a champion.
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Totally unfair.
I think the Packers vs. somebody new, like the Eagles, would be more interesting. By the way, the Packers should have gotten to pick whom the play because they are the best team.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
We'll just never know what the Packers would have done against . . .
say the Chargers or the Falcons and we will always wonder. Keeps me up at night.
by Son of Roaring Dan on Jan 15, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
sports shouldn't be about objective "competition" anyway
sports are more like an art…the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I would argue that teams should stop playing each other altogether and let people make aesthetic judgments on who is truly the best team. Some categories to consider would be college town, coach’s demeanor, jerseys, upkeep of stadium, etc. Since it is impossible to really crown a legitimate champion in ANYTHING EVER, let’s just do away with the whole damn business of sports. They mean too much to people anyway.
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by JunctionCrimson on Jan 15, 2012 8:57 PM CST reply actions
Well, I do believe I see what you did there....
/Bravo
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by Tokeisch on Jan 15, 2012 9:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I couldn't agree more...
…the Saints and the Falcons are both clearly better than the Giants. Thankfully, because there’s a playoff, Green Bay will get to play one of these teams next….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 16, 2012 8:12 AM CST reply actions
Great post. Loved it.
Echoed what I was thinking during the game yesterday: “Something here seems familiar.”
You can't win. You can't break even. You can't get out of the game.
Where are all the recs?
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 16, 2012 8:36 AM CST reply actions
they are rec'ing the actual post
see above, just below the post itself (right above the SBN nation BCS title game tickets ad)
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by JunctionCrimson on Jan 16, 2012 9:00 AM CST reply actions
Yeah...
…but there still aren’t enough of ’em….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 16, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
gotcha
i've been fallin' so long it's like gravity's gone and i'm just floatin'...
by JunctionCrimson on Jan 16, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
Again, it's the system we have......
but yeah, the Packers won the regular season so we should just give them a cupcake team to play in the SB. Is OK State available to go to Indy?
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i for one wont be watching a
Giants/Pats Super Bowl. We’ve already seen that once and I refuse to see that again. I mean the Giants already beat the Pats once this season. It’s totally unfair that the Giants should be forced to beat them again.
And didn’t San Fran ALREADY beat th Giants this season? why make them do it twice? What a totally unfair system.
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by bammer on Jan 16, 2012 10:39 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Don't worry...
…the Ravens will play the Niners in the Super Bowl. I mean, the NFL is sooo predictable….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 16, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
We should
We should all form some sort of arbitrary voting system made up of completely biased individuals and award the Packers the national championship because they did win the regular season. Unless the Giants make it to the Super Bowl and win by a huge margin there is absolutely no way they should be universally recognized as the national champs.
Of course, I hear the reason the Packers lost was because they didn’t put in their backup QB, former LSU QB Matt Flynn. Had he played there is no doubt in anyone’s mind, not even former stellar Green Bay QB Don Majkowski, that the Packers would have won. It is unconfirmed but I have it on good authority that Don “The Magic Man” Majkowski is planning to blast the Green Bay coach because Don had placed a substantial bet on the Packers to cover the spread which they did not.
The Packers losing has absolutely nothing to do with the play of the Giants and especially the Giants Defense and the new found symmetry between their QB and his WRs.
by sixfoot7 on Jan 17, 2012 1:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
IMO
This is why the playoffs ARE a joke and should never be implemented in CFB. Here we are with a team that sat around playing sh*tty football barely winning half it’s games, but they are rewarded for playing crappy all year with a chance to win the Super Bowl. Yay playoffs!!
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But that could never happen in CFB
because there are too many teams. It would require a 45-team playoff to equal the percentage of NFL teams invited to the dance. In order to complete the playoffs in the same three-week time frame as the basketball tournament, the most they could invite would be eight teams. Ain’t no .500 teams getting in at that point.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I hear what you are saying
And I agree, a .500 team wouldn’t make it in an 8-team playoff as it stands today. My main point is that the playoffs allow teams that don’t deserve a chance at the championship, a shot at the championship. In your 8-team example, Kansas State would have had an opportunity to win the NC. I think that is unfair to the teams above them that took the regular season more seriously AND managed to put together a good/great team AND navigated their schedules, especially the top 2.
And unless you’ve completely downed a pitcher of “Playoff Koolaid” you know that once the playoffs have been implemented in CFB, it’ll grow and grow and grow like it has in EVERY other sport, which will end the excitement of CFB as we know it. The NFL has WAY too many teams in the playoffs, this post proves it.
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See, this just ain't true.
And unless you’ve completely downed a pitcher of "Playoff Koolaid" you know that once the playoffs have been implemented in CFB, it’ll grow and grow and grow like it has in EVERY other sport
Football is a different animal than other sports because you can only play a game a week. It’s nothing to add some basketball teams. There’s nowhere near enough money in a playoff system to offset the big schools losing a home date, so I doubt you’d ever see that 12th regular season game go away. This only leaves time for three weeks of playoffs before New Years, and that’s taking no time off even for finals. I see absolutely no way that the presidents agree to give up a home date or push football into second semester. Kind of limits itself at that point, wouldn’t you say?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
College football DRIVES college athletics . . .
If its so awful why is that the case? But the media that don’t like/get college football are the ones throwing the stones. Given the fewer games in a football season and the fact you have 120 Div I teams it is INEVITABLY subjective. YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!! (Was that loud enough?) The discrepancies in the NFL schedule is bad enough (some lousy teams in awful divisions get in at 8-8) but with the fewer number of teams you can have a semblance of schedule parity. That is just not possible in college — Houston was 11-0 and got totally whipped by Southern Miss. They would have been like an 8-4 team in the SEC. So you have to have a subjective system of picking who makes the “playoffs” based on comparing schedules, wins/losses and the “eye test” — whether that is the current 2 team system or a 16 team system.
Frankly, all the whining this year was about the desire to keep Alabama (and Saban) from winning another championship. All the reasons were made up — they had already played, LSU already played a great schedule, etc., they were in the same conference, yada, yada, yada. I don’t believe a word of it — if LSU had won the first game people no one would have complained. I didn’t hear anyone talking about how unfair it was in 2008 for Alabama to have to beat No. 1 FL in the SECCG and No. 2 Texas next in the BCS. And as noted, rematches aren’t a problem in the NFL. Frankly, the system worked — the two best teams played for the championship and the best team won the championship and no serious folks doubt that. But some folks just don’t like who won. Well tough — no team in history has been hosed more by the polls than Alabama so I will take this one and be happy to put it on the wall.
by Son of Roaring Dan on Jan 17, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
I agree to a point
on the presidents. They will budge if the money is there though. And with the way ESPN and sponsors are, the money can be there if needed. But even 1-AA has expanded their playoffs 6 or 7 times now and there is clamour wanting to expand it even more. NFL has grown numerous times as well. History just doesn’t support that it will stay at 4 teams. It just doesn’t. They’ll find some room in Dec/Jan if they wanted to. Most playoff pundits are already shifting the end-of-season scenarios to support a 16-team playoff and we don’t even have the 4-team in place (yet). Notice my argument doesn’t contain basketball because that is so out of control it doesn’t need to be pointed out. Basketball regular season couldn’t be more boring if it tried. We won’t even talk NBA….ha. If they start tinkering with what makes 1-A CFB great (the excitement of the regular season) then you begin to reduce the sport IMO…
You are a smart dude and have good logical points, the problem is that the people that make decisions are neither smart nor logical.
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The money is in the current system, not playoffs.
And the FCS playoffs are the only TV money those schools get- there’s your difference. Home dates don’t generate nearly the revenue that they do in the SEC. I’m telling you, there’s no way the playoffs would ever go past 16, and I doubt it would ever go that high. Four weeks is a lot of extra football.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I think you're absolutely right.
People also forget that in order to make the playoffs in the NFL all you have to do is have the best record among the 4 teams in your division. They may play 16 games, but that is what it comes down to. In college, there will still be a conference structure and only the elite teams would make the playoffs. There would be very few teams that didn’t win their conference and very few, if any, teams that had more than 2 losses.
I think 8 is an ideal number because it emphasizes the importance of the regular season results without punishing the teams that weren’t absolutely perfect.
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I think you are assuming everything will stay the same
In college, there will still be a conference structure
Really? Forever?
Oh, btw…doesn’t the NFL have ‘conferences’ therefore having a ‘conference structure’?
Hell, name the last year when conferences haven’t been shifting. Sometimes radically. I don’t know if you’ve paid attention, but the SEC now has 14 teams. Before you know it we will end up with ‘super conferences’ or some similar garbage and then you’ll have divisions within that conference, and then subdivisions, etc. Then all you have to do is be the top of your subdivision to get into your conference playoff. But, like you say, that’ll NEVER happen. Right?
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What's wrong with that?
So a .500-ish team qualifies for conference semis- who cares? Several three-loss teams have played in the SECCG under today’s model, and the B12 has put some real stinkers in their CG from the North division (never mind UCLA playing for a P12 title this year.) Bottom line, the system pretty much always takes care of itself anyway. No team has ever won the Super Bowl with a record worse than 10-6 in the regular season, and this is in a league where undefeated and one-loss seasons are rareties. In college football where you have multiple zero-to-two loss teams every year you would very rarely find a .500 team winning its way into the NC round in your scenario.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Then all you have to do is be the top of your subdivision to get into your conference playoff.
In my hypothetical world, that doesn’t have anything to do with the national championship, but I don’t know about your hypothetical world.
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I was just hypothetically using
the hypothetical history of the NFL playoff growth as a hypothetical point…hypothetically. :)
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And I was just saying that division championships don't hypothetically have
to mean automatic playoff births in college football.
God bless our Dark Lord.
I think 6 is that ideal number
because it gives the top 2 teams a bye, thus putting heavier emphasis on the regular season.
With 8 teams, there’s not that much difference between the #1 seed (playing #8) and the #3 seed (playing #6). But with 6 teams, there’s a huge difference.
God bless our Dark Lord.
What really places a heavier emphasis on the regular season...
…is the current system.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 18, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
The current system
also puts too great an emphasis on opinion.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
...and awesomeness...
/see2009,2011
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 19, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Our awesomeness would have shined through a playoff too.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Prolly...
…but considering the story we’ve just learned about Josh Chapman’s knee, the loss of Marquis Maze, and however many undisclosed injuries there are on this team, I’m happy they didn’t have to play one more game (or two) to prove their value.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 19, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Exactamundo
You never know when a season ending injury will occur. It doesn’t always ever happen at convenient times.
/cough— Brodie—cough—-Western Carolina—-cough
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Opinion is inevitable with 120 teams . . .
playing vastly different schedules.
by Son of Roaring Dan on Jan 19, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree. I think a 6 team playoff would've put much more emphasis on, say,
AU’s regular season in ‘04. (Yes, “forget” Auburn, but don’t forget that we had an undefeated SEC champ that didn’t get a shot at the NC. And it could happen again… eventually.)
God bless our Dark Lord.
Too close to home for this Packers fan
though I guess I can’t complain about Bama NC, Packers Superbowl, Bama NC in alternating years.
The worst part of that game was that the Pack went with an inverse LSU strategy: The QB came to play, along with a handful of other guys. No one else did. Ugh. 9 or 10 drops! Pack could have really used Norwood. :)
by Steven Mitchell on Jan 17, 2012 4:46 PM CST reply actions
The Pack could use a defense.
/nothatin’,justsayin’
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 17, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
I've got a GREAT IDEA!
What if the NFL puts together a “blue ribbon” panel of 10-12 “experts” and they decide who makes the playoffs every year?
Fourteen and counting
OR
they could just let the two best teams play and see what happens
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That's crazy talk!
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 19, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
But what if the two best teams are from the same conference?
/newenglandpatriotsandindianapoliscoltsed,butnotthisyear’sindianapoliscolts,they’reterrible,butyounknowwhati’msaying
Fourteen.
I was saying...
that there have been years in the past where the two best teams in the NFL were likely the New England Patriots and the Indianapolis Colts.
Fourteen.
Actually you were typing it.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
That's nothing to joke about.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Kudos, sir.
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by RoscoeOfAlabama on Jan 19, 2012 11:47 PM CST reply actions
Update
Heard that the upcoming Super Bowl will be be the 13th REMATCH in Super Bowl history. What a travesty.
by Son of Roaring Dan on Jan 26, 2012 12:41 PM CST reply actions
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