University of Alabama star Dre Kirkpatrick was arrested early Tuesday morning in Florida for marijuana possession, according to an arrest report from the Manatee County Sheriff's Department.
Kirkpatrick, who announced at a press conference last week that he would leave school early to enter the NFL Draft, was charged with possessing less than 20 grams of cannabis and released on $120 bond.
Dre Kirkpatrick arrested for marijuana possession | al.com
'Cause obviously the best thing you can do when headed into the NFL Draft/Combine is raise "character issues."
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I don't either...
…well, not anymore….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 17, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
I just dont understand why…
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by BamaFever10 on Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Because I’m gonna get you high today.
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by otisnixon'sparty on Jan 17, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
good way to lose a couple million in one night
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He'll probably not go as high in the draft.
/legalizeit
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But he'll be good and high after the draft!
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by Tokeisch on Jan 17, 2012 6:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Damn
well played.
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I was gonna go first round but I got high
Coulda had ten million real real fast, but I got high
Now the first round’s gone and I’m sittin here on my ass, ah ah
’Cause I got high, "cause I got high, ’cause i got high…
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by J Tadpole on Jan 17, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I've been making light off it all
because it’s a weed charge
but this is just wonderfully bad judgement and while the fine is only 120 bond with a probable 500 dollar fine he just lost millions in the draft
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
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If
Andre Smith can have an offseason full of fail and still go #6 overall….
Dre still goes in the top 15 or so (I have no idea what his true value is in regards to what actual NFL scouts think, but this seems to be the consensus).
andre smith didnt do anything illegal.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Jan 17, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
In
a league that probably has over half of its members smoking pot, I doubt it is that big of a deal beyond being stupid. Now being grossly overweight and disappearing from the combine….
this is a really bad assumption. and thats all it is. you are assuming that. whether or not its actually true, you have no proof.
a league that probably has over half of its members smoking pot
andre smith had a bad pro day and did some weird stuff at the combine.
dre just broke the law and spent a night in jail. whether or not you believe it should be illegal, it still is. breaking the law > showing up overweight to a pro day.
andre smith is a bad correlation
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Jan 17, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
I am
taking former NFL player Lomas Brown’s word on that, who said that at least 50 percent smoke marijuana and that was probably 3 or 4 years ago.
I am not saying it doesn’t hurt him overall, I am simply saying it is not going to effect him that much.
and im saying look at players like
Laveranues Coles
Marvin Austin
Jimmy Smith
all of those players had run ins with the law or public displays of lack of character. dre made a bad decision last night that could very well cost him serious money, especially in terms of bonus cash. the good thing dre has going for him is the combine and pro day are still ahead. he still has a chance to talk to teams about what happened and wow them with his skills.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Jan 17, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
The good news
for Dre is that unlike those guys he does not have a long rap sheet or other off the field issues (that we know of). Bigger concern for Dre is if he fails some drug tests after this…
very true
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Jan 17, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
If I were an NFL gm
I’d be a helluva lot more concerned about “fat and doesn’t care” than about “busted with < 1/2 oz. of pot.” Night and day more concerned. Whether it’s against the law is extraneous if he’s not locked up, as he won’t be.
Slightly over-nthusiastic partying one week after winning a devastating national championship game that well deserves celebrating is not a hanging offense in the NFL, and will not e likely to cause a gm who needs a lockdown corner to pass uonthe best one on the board. Unlike Andre, dre has shown every sign of being dedicated to football.
too bad you arent an NFL GM.
what he did is illegal. thankfully dre doesnt have any prior issues like this, but this kind of stuff gets you suspended from the NFL and into jail. it means the people you associate yourself with are also suspect. GMs dont want to invest a significant amount of money with a player that could just as easily pass a drug test and go to waste. we know that the odds of that happenign with dre are small, but GMs dont know that. Its the same reason janoris jenkins is so low on peoples boards. he could be the most talented CB in the draft, but his issues have cost him dearly. dre wont fall that hard, and maybe not at all. but this is a much bigger deal than coming to the combine over weight.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Jan 17, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Gms aren't law-enforcement officials
One pot possession bust is simply not a big deal, either to the law where it is about 1% worse than a traffic ticket, or to an employer. Repeated offenses are a very different story. It’s the every-dog-gets-one-bite principle.
This will be a very minor factor in the draft.
Except the league has very specific substance abuse policies.
You don’t do your team a lot of good while suspended.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Street drugs
are easy to avoid getting in trouble for-unless they completely changed drug testing in the new CBA
In my opinion
A one-time possession bust the weekend after the biggest celebration moment of a young guy’s life does not really differentiate him from other kids and is not a huge information point regarding his chances of running afoul of the league’s drug laws in the future. As I’ve already said, multiple,e offenses are a very different story.
We’re just talking now, and we’ll see this spring but this is not a big deal IMO if it remains an isolated event.
Adarius Bowman (Michael Bowman's brother)
projected 1st round pick in 2008 before the season….a bad showing in the Senior bowl, a bad combine and an arrest on a drug charge he goes undraft…you better have a good combine Dre
that's what happens when you drop out of school
/comebackDre
"Make no mistake, Florida is the South's trashcan" Peter Griffin
Don't really follow NFL Draft
but is there a clear example of where someone did something similar to Dre and it really caused their draft position to drop considerably. It seems like it’s easy to say he’ll drop a little bit, but does that really happen? Especially over a small amount of weed.
I don't think it will hurt Dre that much
mostly because he is in the top two CBs available in the Draft and this is not an exceptionally deep CB draft, but NFL teams do care.
Marino slid, because of rumored off the field drug issues but mostly because that was the deepest QB draft in history. When in doubt take the guy without the drug rumors.
BJ raji, Percy Harvin, Todd Marinovich, Justin Harrison all slid due to off the field drug related issues in recent years.
As you stated earlier, GMs don’t want their 1st round shut down corner suspended.
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Terrell Brown
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Tarell*
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Though I guess he had a hurt toe his sr year as well. I just remember hearing how the Niners got “1st round talent in the 5th” because of “character issues” which had to do with weed.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Damn Honey Badger
Done rubbed off on him…
That is disappointing…for him. The decision making process he used here, whether you agree or not, was not executed. Stupid move on his part; and it’ll cost him.
Plus, this totally dumbs down alot of my honey badger jokes I tell my LSU co-workers.
"My favorite play is the one where the player pitches the ball back to the official after scoring a touchdown." Paul "Bear" Bryant
Well, well well.
"The more important the game, the more sincere the contact." Les Miles
by lsufanfrommobile on Jan 17, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Shut it. At least our guy waited til the season was over to get busted.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Jan 17, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
And Dre got the real stuff not artifical weed. HB's absence didn't hurt the season.
"The more important the game, the more sincere the contact." Les Miles
by lsufanfrommobile on Jan 17, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Not even in that last game?
He didn’t play in that one, did he?
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 17, 2012 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
He had tickets to an air show.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I'm afraid that his poor performance wasn't drug related.
"The more important the game, the more sincere the contact." Les Miles
by lsufanfrommobile on Jan 17, 2012 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
It was Tide-related
And when he tried returning, it was gang-tackled related.
by BixBeiderbecke on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
That gang tackle goes down as one of my favorite football moments ever.
Dave Robertson is growing up to be the new Mariano Rivera. My two universes of fandom can finally unite!
by SoGladILeftTheACC on Jan 18, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
The GMac tippy-toe action vs. Florida. . . .
. . . .is one of my more recent faves, as well. Honey Badger getting swarmed by a literal Crimson Tide of tacklers is this side of sublime.
sidenote: when I first met my wife, after she just totally made out with me after only knowing me for a few hours one morning- we come waltzing out of this botanical garden and a start slowly jogging away from her and say, “GMac’s got the ball, he shimmies this way, tip-toe’s that way- on his waaaaaaaaaaaaay. He’s GOT IT! He got the first down!!!!!!!!!” (while laughing). We reminisced about it during this past BCSNCG week. She’s in, now. She cracked he hell up when it all came into perspective for her.
by BixBeiderbecke on Jan 18, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Is real stuff worse to you?
Legality aside, at least it won’t make you randomly hang yourself.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Jan 17, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Does the fake stuff do that? I've never heard that.
"The more important the game, the more sincere the contact." Les Miles
by lsufanfrommobile on Jan 17, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I’ve heard it screws with people’s head big time. This is why states have started banning it.
No matter how you count 'em, we've got more --- Roll Tide!
I'm freaking out, man!
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by animalcracker on Jan 18, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Almost everybody in college smokes pot
but most of us are smart enough not to get caught. Bad decision on Dre’s part, hopefully it doesn’t cost him too much money.
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by RoscoeOfAlabama on Jan 17, 2012 4:11 PM CST reply actions
hahaha
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Jan 17, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Stupid.
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(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
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by the thin red line on Jan 17, 2012 4:20 PM CST reply actions
All I can imagine is
he took whatever punishment Florida would hand out if they promised to not let Saban be the first to find out.
"If wanting to win is a fault, as some of my critics seem to insist, then I plead guilty. I like to win. I know no other way. It's in my blood." -- Paul "Bear" Bryant
This won't cost him squat
He was gonna be a top 7 pick before, and he still will be. If not, it’ll be because he didn’t do well at his pro day (not much of a chance of that). Maybe he’ll need to have an answer ready for a couple of extra questions during the interview process, but this won’t cost him even one slot of draft position. He still doesn’t get past Jacksonville at 7. That’s big time.
It could come into plus ...
If it’s a toss-up with some other prospect. Otherwise the hand-wringing in this thread is overwrought.
Dangit Dre!!!
Ever since your live commitment to ‘Bama I’ve had a weird feeling. Now I know.
This doesn’t sirprize me at all, I’ve kinda been waiting for something like this to happen for awhile (Brent doesn’t count!).
I LOVE THE ASTROS. Now lets win something!
by ccislanders on Jan 17, 2012 5:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions
*sirprize
I LOVE THE ASTROS. Now lets win something!
by ccislanders on Jan 17, 2012 5:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
AAHHHHHHH!!
Y’all know what I mean!
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by ccislanders on Jan 17, 2012 5:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ummm
We do?
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by animalcracker on Jan 17, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
I can see that several here don't know a lot about the NFL.
There are teams who won’t draft Dre now. Period. They will literally take him off their board. Now, does that mean every team will? No, of course not- but this will absolutely cost him draft position. There is no question about that. This is a league that has suffered with some major image problems in recent years, and Roger Goodell is more than serious about changing that.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I am
a big NFL fan, I know that some teams will likely knock him down and maybe even take him off the board. Hell my team is pretty hardcore about not drafting guys with “off-the-field” issues (Detroit Lions). But I don’t think it will cost him that much of a draft position, but again hard to say what his true draft position might be anyway….
The Lions
have to many hardcore “on the field” issues.
"There are 40 rules all Schrute boys must learn by age 5. Rule #17- There are 3 things you never turn your back on--- Bears, men you have wronged, and a dominant male turkey during mating season."
the
price my team pays for the new pussified NFL rules.
Ya,
the NFL has some pretty weak rules. But those hardly have an effect on Suh or Fairley, they’re just dirty.
"There are 40 rules all Schrute boys must learn by age 5. Rule #17- There are 3 things you never turn your back on--- Bears, men you have wronged, and a dominant male turkey during mating season."
Fairley
has to play some to be dirty in the NFL.
ok.
"There are 40 rules all Schrute boys must learn by age 5. Rule #17- There are 3 things you never turn your back on--- Bears, men you have wronged, and a dominant male turkey during mating season."
Nah
I just get tired of Lions players being called dirty for overblown type things that happen all the time on the football field.
I would hardly call Suh throwing down a Falcon Kick
overblown or a regular thing seen in the NFL. But I get what you’re saying.
"There are 40 rules all Schrute boys must learn by age 5. Rule #17- There are 3 things you never turn your back on--- Bears, men you have wronged, and a dominant male turkey during mating season."
Say that word again...
I keep reading that sentence over and over.
LOL!
"My favorite play is the one where the player pitches the ball back to the official after scoring a touchdown." Paul "Bear" Bryant
Hardcore?
I guess Suh’s off field issues at Nebraska, hitting a parked car while DUI doesn’t qualify as off the field issues.
when you have guys like Sam Hurd in the NFL
I bet many GMs are scared to death of having any drug related clouds hanging around their franchise.
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If I was on a computer, this would be rec'd....
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by ccislanders on Jan 17, 2012 9:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dre's arrest not so harmless for UA afterall
per Chase Goodbread…
Former University of Alabama defensive back Dre Kirkpatrick and former UA teammate Chris Rogers were arrested in Florida and booked by the Manatee County (Fla.) Sheriff’s Office for possession of less than 20 grams of marijuana Tuesday morning, according to a police report
"Make no mistake, Florida is the South's trashcan" Peter Griffin
disregard, I'm an idiot
forgot Rogers is off the team.
"Make no mistake, Florida is the South's trashcan" Peter Griffin
I'm surprised the media didn't report
Dre and “Julio Jones” arrested.
by callmedeaconblues on Jan 17, 2012 6:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It wasn't written by Verne...
Roll Tide Roll
Look at that dude going all Dareus on that colt.
by CaliforniaTide on Jan 17, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The thing that
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Sorry, new keyboard.
The thing that really bothers me is that here is a guy that a lot of kids look up to. And, most of you might disagree but we have a serious drug problem in this country and legalizing it is not the answer. And as long as it is no big deal for a famous athlete or movie star to do a little pot then the problem will just continue to grow.
There is a reason that Tebow is now the most admired athlete in our country. A lot of people are just sick of the way many of these guys act.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
by 5026 on Jan 17, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
Especially disconcerting given Coach Saban’s praise at the presser about Dre’s character and the way he has represented the program and school. I am sure this was not an issue when he was on the team, but it still reflects on character when he gets arrested less than a week after he leaves school. This behavior is so cliche it is depressing.
Tebow is now the most admired athlete in our country?
That is depressing….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 17, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Legalizing it *IS* the answer.
The government has no mandate to criminalize consensual behavior, and War on Drugs has only made a black market that is very profitable for drug dealers. It’s also worth noting that had Kirkpatrick celebrated his big win with a fifth of Jack Daniels or double cheeseburger (both vices that have much higher health risks in this country), none of us would even be talking about this.
Yes, it’s still illegal right now, so Kirkpatrick made a poor decision allowing himself to get caught, but this incident should not be taken as evidence of the evils of recreational drug use. If anything, it highlights the stupidity of our nation’s current drug stance.
Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer Give 'Em HELL Alabama!
by RoscoeOfAlabama on Jan 18, 2012 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't he under 21?
Had it been a DUI, i’d say it’d be a bigger deal.
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by Aaron.50cal on Jan 18, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
Born October 26, 1989
which means he magically is smart enough to drink alcohol.
Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer Give 'Em HELL Alabama!
by RoscoeOfAlabama on Jan 18, 2012 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
Oh ok,
I didn’t know his age.
"There are 40 rules all Schrute boys must learn by age 5. Rule #17- There are 3 things you never turn your back on--- Bears, men you have wronged, and a dominant male turkey during mating season."
by Aaron.50cal on Jan 18, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know that anyone coming out for the draft this year (from Bama) is under 21.
I’m almost 21, and I’m a junior.
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by SoGladILeftTheACC on Jan 18, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Although a DUI would be a completely different story, yes.
That’s not consensual behavior.
Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer Give 'Em HELL Alabama!
by RoscoeOfAlabama on Jan 18, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
For me,
Drinking and driving is worse then getting caught with pot.
"There are 40 rules all Schrute boys must learn by age 5. Rule #17- There are 3 things you never turn your back on--- Bears, men you have wronged, and a dominant male turkey during mating season."
Agreed.
Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer Give 'Em HELL Alabama!
by RoscoeOfAlabama on Jan 18, 2012 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
They were driving down the wrong side of the road
I would not have wanted to be in their path that night on the street. Their judgements / reactions were evidently influenced by something. One would have to conclude it was the pot. While pot may not be known for making one violent, it certainly makes people stupid. Working with 17/18 year olds every day, I see the results of pot, alcohol, and harder drugs in lives that are diminished, some beyond repair. I don’t know all of the answers, and I don’t think the problem is going away. However, when players like Dre,a hero to many young people, get arrested for illegal activity, it sends the wrong message.
Well said.
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jan 18, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
The driver of that car definitely has to answer
for driving under the influence. That, however, was not what Dre was charged with.
Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer Give 'Em HELL Alabama!
by RoscoeOfAlabama on Jan 18, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
That's true,
at least under circumstances where a driver’s judgment is not impaired by weed or something like that, but just because alcohol is worse doesn’t make any arguments in weed’s favor – it just says we need to be doing more to crack down on drunk drivers.
"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jan 18, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
There's a distinction here that is overlooked.
“Recreational drugs” is a broad term. Most of them are deadly and even if one argues that it’s not the government’s business what you do behind closed doors it cannot be argued that drug addiction often drives individuals to commit violent or other anti-social acts in order to ensure they can get their “fix.”
Marijuana is on a different plane and although I’m not for legalizing it, I would be in favor of loosening the punishments that users face although dealers and producers should still be punished. Consistent marijuana use reduces brain function over time.
No matter how you count 'em, we've got more --- Roll Tide!
by AllTideUp on Jan 18, 2012 2:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The saddest part in all of this is...
This is America! We should have our liberty! These football players are fantastic athletes and know their bodies well. They should be able to ingest whatever substances they wish as long as they are performing to the on-field standards their employers have.
I watched one of the greatest RBs in the NFL, Ricky Williams, waste his best years not playing because he broke the rules about smoking pot, not because the pot damaged him and that’s bullshit!
Pot does have great medicinal value, especially in post-game pain control and hopefully, some day, this country will get smart and legalize that shit and stop ruining lives over pointless anti-pot laws.
"14 is important mainly because now it makes 15 within reach."-5026
Agreed
but I also agree with an employer’s liberty to require his employees to be drug free if he so desires.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Commie
"There are 40 rules all Schrute boys must learn by age 5. Rule #17- There are 3 things you never turn your back on--- Bears, men you have wronged, and a dominant male turkey during mating season."
Polygamist.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
*GASP
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Jan 17, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
Shit-stain.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Barner.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Nuke option, eh?
Can’t top that one.
"14 is important mainly because now it makes 15 within reach."-5026
Vol.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Nope.
Vol is much worse.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Nicotine? Caffiene?
…where’s the bottom of this damned slope?
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Make its ass quit -TWEsq, concerning my fight against Multiple Sclerosis
by AlabamaJammer on Jan 17, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
I dream of the day when we are judged by our job performance...
not our metabolites.
"14 is important mainly because now it makes 15 within reach."-5026
I didn't say it was smart for an employer to do it.
Lots of stuff ain’t smart that should be legal.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Hey, I would not want
a doctor, a dentist, a nurse, a medical tech, a school teacher, a cook, a waiter or waitress, a cab driver, a truck driver, any driver, a pilot, a construction worker, a police officer, a fireman, a military person, a barber, or a sandwich artist at Subway to be on anything that could ever be classifed as halucinagenic or something that slows your reaction time or causes you to lose your memory or causes you to have a lapse in judgement while at work at any time.
I’m sorry I come in contact with hundreds of people everyday and I depend on them to be 100% sober and alert and if they are not they could or they are harming me and for them to do so is not their right.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Tee hee...
…‘sandwich artist’….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 17, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
Man, I watch those subway artist like a hawk.
I don’t want them accidentally slipping something in my sandwich that causes me stomach pain.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Like a roofie?
Or an Italian sausage if your sandwich artist is named Tony?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
No, more like those peppers
that just do me wrong.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
its the employers right to fire those people and hold them accountable for their actions.
or, their right to not and suffer the consequences from a capitalist society.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Jan 17, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
However, in some cases
it goes beyond that. If a construction worker is high and builds a faulty stairway and latter I fall and die due ot his being high I think the guy should be brought up on man slaughter just like a drunk killing a guy on the road.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
the contractor who built that faulty stairway would be held accountable, yes.
so it is up to the contractor to hire and maintain a clean staff. if they dont, its their liability. that contractor then gets a bad rap, no longer gets contracts and goes out of business.
and make sure to take the elevator next time.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Jan 17, 2012 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
That is another one I don't want high
elevator operators.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
What about naturally stupid people that do the same thing?
/rollseyesattheselfrighteousfuckheadedness
"14 is important mainly because now it makes 15 within reach."-5026
You!
Are on fire, Mister!
God bless you UB! In the most non-homo way- I love you man! You’ve got me in major-fucking-stitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Walls man. You’re talking to walls scratch that: the walls are closing in on you!
We gotta hang, Sir! Play blues, spark it up, pull back some ales. Crack each other up. <hhhhhhhhhsssssssssssssssph! . . . .heeeeeere!>
by BixBeiderbecke on Jan 17, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Stop by any time you're in northern Utah, bro!
We’ll tear shit up!
"14 is important mainly because now it makes 15 within reach."-5026
Yeah, I'm guessing this is the reason we're not supposed to talk politics.
No matter how you count 'em, we've got more --- Roll Tide!
I'm afraid you're clueless.
There’s a big difference between the “wake ‘n’ bake” crowd and your average professional that kicks ass all day working for the man and goes home and enjoys a couple ’a bong hits.
"14 is important mainly because now it makes 15 within reach."-5026
…or takes his medically prescribed dose of medicine in fear since it is the only thing that keeps him mobile and able to participate in the capitalistic society?
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Make its ass quit -TWEsq, concerning my fight against Multiple Sclerosis
by AlabamaJammer on Jan 18, 2012 5:53 AM CST up reply actions
Was Dre Kirpatrick
performing surgery, cleaning a tooth, setting a bandage, running a sonogram, teaching a child, cooking a meal, serving an entree, driving a fare, hauling a load, operating a motor vehicle, flying an airplane, laying drywall, enforcing the law, putting out a fire, guarding a depot, giving a haircut, or making my foot-long Spicy Italian with avocado and no cheese? No? Then your argument is invalid.
We’re able to prosecute drunk drivers without outlawing alcohol; how is the recreational use of another drug any different?
Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer Give 'Em HELL Alabama!
by RoscoeOfAlabama on Jan 18, 2012 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
Ya,
after a hard days work, if I want to come home, drop some acid and freak out because my trash can is trying to eat me. Well that’s my bizz.
"There are 40 rules all Schrute boys must learn by age 5. Rule #17- There are 3 things you never turn your back on--- Bears, men you have wronged, and a dominant male turkey during mating season."
That's fine, just say away from my five-dollar-foot-long.
Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer Give 'Em HELL Alabama!
by RoscoeOfAlabama on Jan 18, 2012 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
No problem,
it has formed an alliance with the trash can. They call themselves The Axis of Evil 2.0
"There are 40 rules all Schrute boys must learn by age 5. Rule #17- There are 3 things you never turn your back on--- Bears, men you have wronged, and a dominant male turkey during mating season."
I thought Dre and Rogers were
were riding in a car…and yeah I think that is wrong
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
They had Colt 45 and two Zig Zags...
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
"Riding" being the operative word.
If Dre were the driver, that would change everything for me.
Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer Give 'Em HELL Alabama!
by RoscoeOfAlabama on Jan 18, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
As an employer...
If my employees are only 80% sober does that mean I can only pay them 80% of their salary….didn’t think so.
Legally speaking, it’s always absolutes. All sober or all unemployed.
Then you're missing out on some great employees but that's your call.
"14 is important mainly because now it makes 15 within reach."-5026
Somehow I'll bet he gets along without them
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Funny story...
I worked at a specialty metals plant in the early ’90s. Company was making $$$$$$$ hand over fist. Company brass announce that in 6 weeks random piss testing will be implemented. Within 5 weeks 60% of the engineering staff had found other gainful employment…yours truly was one. Said company nearly went under, was sold, sold again, sold again and now teeters on the brink of closing its doors.
Another success story?
"14 is important mainly because now it makes 15 within reach."-5026
Who cares?
But I’m admittedly different here. Freedom means freedom to me. That means the EEOC would be out of business too, but this conversation has already gone too far.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Liberty?
Positive or negative? Republican or liberal—and the meaning of these two terms is not what you read in the press, but in academe. Read Michael Sandel.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 18, 2012 6:49 AM CST up reply actions
Less than 20 grams??????????????
WTF does THAT mean? He had 19.7 grams?
And if he did, WHY’D HE HAVE SO MUCH?
Son, you done messed yourself up a bit! Get things right with prioritization and sh_t, SHIT!
The following penalties apply to drug possession charges in FL:
Possession of Marijuana (20 grams or less)
Possession of 20 grams or less of marijuana is a First Degree Misdemeanor.
A 1st degree misdemeanor has a maximum penalty of 1 year in jail and a $1000 fine.
Ref: Florida Criminal Statute – §893.13(6)(b)
Possession of Marijuana (more than 20 grams)
Possession of more than 20 grams of marijuana is a Third Degree Felony.
A 3rd degree felony has a maximum penalty of 5 year in jail and a $5000 fine.
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Jan 17, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
28 grams are in an ounce (oscar)
So, 3 1/2 g’s are in an eighth.
A homie could be walking around with with almost 6 bags of 1/8’s???? Like it’s nobody’s business, too?
Now, I like tokin’ on my fair share but. . . . .that’s a grip of mota fer sure, yo! I’m no stoner and that’s still too much pot for “possessing”.
by BixBeiderbecke on Jan 17, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
You know how I know
you’re a pothead?
Audemus jura nostra defendere
"What makes a second chance worth having comes from taking advantage of it, from correcting the mistakes you made and burning for redemption. Not wishing for it. Earning it." -Cecil Hurt, 10 JAN 2012
by animalcracker on Jan 17, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Because. . . .
. . .I smell kinda skunky?
by BixBeiderbecke on Jan 17, 2012 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get this..
20 grams of cannabis
Back in the day, pot was weighed in ounces….
The metric system was for coke.
Well...
…someone might have said to go back and get some dimes.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Make its ass quit -TWEsq, concerning my fight against Multiple Sclerosis
by AlabamaJammer on Jan 17, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
28 grams in an oz. You do the maths!
Proud mini-Saban.
by Tidee Whitee on Jan 18, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Better to get busted leading up to the draft than test positive at the combine.
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Jan 17, 2012 6:54 PM CST reply actions
I just meant anyone that fails a drug test they know is coming that far in advance is a moron in addition to a stoner.
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Jan 17, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
He was carrying the weed for shits and giggles.
This is beyond stupid.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Jan 17, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
wasn't*
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Jan 17, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
According to the report...
…he wasn’t physically carrying it at all….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 17, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Which has what to do with what I said?
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Jan 17, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
I just meant that he's likely to test positive.
I was calling Dre’s behavior stupid, not your comment.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Jan 18, 2012 8:17 AM CST up reply actions
Dre...
…look, bud. You’re about to make some serious money. Like life changing. You need to invest in a few things.
1) a runner
2) a prosthetic device
3) product for the prosthetic device
Follow the guidelines for 2/3, and get a trusted homie for 1.
…and don’t do some stupid stuff like wanting to be a dealer and buy an ungodly amount of drugs.
This has been a public service announcement.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Make its ass quit -TWEsq, concerning my fight against Multiple Sclerosis
I read somewhere else
it appears he was in a car that was driving on the wrong side of the road. Not the driver. Upon a police stop, the officer smelled marijuana and a police dog searched the vehicle. The marijuana was found under the floorboards (carpet mat?) by Dre’s feet, who was riding shotgun. Dre claims the friends bought the pot without his knowledge and its not his…
Yeah
he went on a drug by and did not know what was going on. Yep, that is what happened. He didn’t know kinda like old Cam.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
yeah, whether or not his story is believable is between him and the teams that want or dont want to draft him.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Jan 17, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
So...
…he’s definitely lying? There’s no doubt?
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 17, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Be reasonable.
You know, like the doubt.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I just thought of an interesting question.
Does Dre participate in the Sat. celebration?
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Only if there'll be weed.
Otherwise he got other things to do.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
What about meth?
"There are 40 rules all Schrute boys must learn by age 5. Rule #17- There are 3 things you never turn your back on--- Bears, men you have wronged, and a dominant male turkey during mating season."
by Aaron.50cal on Jan 17, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
It's good enough for Air Force pilots in transcontinental flights.
"14 is important mainly because now it makes 15 within reach."-5026
Damn shame
Dre got busted for blowing on that endo? I guarantee you plenty of athletes like to go to Outer Space every now and then… not like he was hitting the Oregano before games like Dan Marino did. Let Dre smoke. Maybe he just wanted to hit a little Green and go to the Cheesecake Factory, maybe have some nachos and that vanilla bean cheesecake they have. So what if he wanted to get a little blazed and watch that episode of Sesame Street where Norah Jones teaches kids about accents? Let Dre smoke. Guy just wanted to experience Big Bird and Cookie Monster like he did when he was a child, except focusing on the colors really intensely. Let Dre smoke.
Yeah, maybe after he does all that he can go out and drive...
wait they were driving!!!
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Is the cheezecake reference pointed towarda Jordan Schafer?!!?
:) :) :)))))))??
I LOVE THE ASTROS. Now lets win something!
by ccislanders on Jan 18, 2012 12:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who cares
It is absurd to judge someone’s moral character by if he smokes cannabis. It is a stunning display of ignorance. Alcohol is a far more destructive substance to individuals and families and we don’t write people off for using it. In fact we encourage it. You are entitled to your own opinions but not your on facts..some of the most successful businessmen in the world smoke weed instead of drink. Your on the wrong side of history
by CrimsonTraveler on Jan 17, 2012 10:08 PM CST reply actions
Is it wrong to judge somebodies character by wether he broke the law?
I would say you can judge that way.
And just because some dude makes tons of money in business means nothing to me. I want to see how his kids turn out and what his wife thinks of him.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Just because something is illegal doesn’t make it immoral. Segregation and slavery used to be the LAW of the land and surely you want say that is a good thing.
Yes money doesn’t equal character but it does mean you can have a highly functioning and fulfilling life and smoke pot
As for your wife. I don’t hang around such intolerant people
by CrimsonTraveler on Jan 17, 2012 10:15 PM CST reply actions
What does the comment about my wife have to do with anything
if it was directed at me?
And guess what slavery was wrong and worth fighting a war over. Not sure everybody feels that way about laws that make it illegal to deal drugs.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
In 16 states you have medical cannabis. The laws are changing. Is it ok if it’s legal?
by CrimsonTraveler on Jan 17, 2012 10:17 PM CST reply actions
Most of the pot smoked in those states
has nothing to do with medicine. But, who knows maybe Dre was buying the pot because he thought he could get medical marijuana in Fl. Yeah, that is it. He wasn’t breaking the law, endangering others, encouraging kids to use pot. No, not all. He was just mistaken. He thought he could finally get some relief for his glucoma. Too bad he wasn’t in a right to do pot state.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Oh yes and kids of alcoholics always turn out great. We should stop judging these kids whose lives have very little relation or relevance to the hordes of suburbanites and rednecks who watch them
by CrimsonTraveler on Jan 17, 2012 10:21 PM CST reply actions
Kids of alcoholics rarely turn out great
which is one of the major reasons I’m against alcohol. And, I work with kids in the hood. Kids with no daddy, no real future. Who do they look up to? Athletes. Of course most athletes rarely care because they just think of themselves first.
But, yeah every time an athlete does something really stupid it does hurt those kids.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
by 5026 on Jan 17, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't have much to add to what you've already said,
but I’m with you on this one. Regardless of the legality/illegality debate it’s illegal right now, and when athletes flaunt the law it does hurt kids that look up to that person.
"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy
(Formerly SugarBowl93)
by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jan 17, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
THIS.
Whether it “should” be legal or illegal in a year isn’t relevant. It’s illegal now, and he broke the law. That’s being a bad role model. Case closed.
Dave Robertson is growing up to be the new Mariano Rivera. My two universes of fandom can finally unite!
by SoGladILeftTheACC on Jan 18, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Like I said, inexact analogy.
I was taking issue with:
Whether it "should" be legal or illegal in a year isn’t relevant. It’s illegal now, and he broke the law. That’s being a bad role model. Case closed.
Fourteen.
Sounds like you are more of a pot fan
than Bama fan. Who here is judging pot smokers anyway? Why are you taking such offense to all this? Currently, smoking pot not in one of the 16 states that allow medical mary-j is against the law. That’s a fact. Whether it should be legal or not isn’t the issue. I’m not sure why you referred to all of us as rednecks, and insulted 5026 wife. For someone who doesn’t like people looking down on potheads you sure aren’t doing a good job making a case.
"There are 40 rules all Schrute boys must learn by age 5. Rule #17- There are 3 things you never turn your back on--- Bears, men you have wronged, and a dominant male turkey during mating season."
by Aaron.50cal on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
For what it's worth,
my brother in law, smokes pot everyday. Very succesful personal banker.
"There are 40 rules all Schrute boys must learn by age 5. Rule #17- There are 3 things you never turn your back on--- Bears, men you have wronged, and a dominant male turkey during mating season."
by Aaron.50cal on Jan 17, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
He's closer to the norm than most imagine.
"14 is important mainly because now it makes 15 within reach."-5026
Wow...
…I never thought of passive-aggression for stating my point in an argument. Please, go on.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Make its ass quit -TWEsq, concerning my fight against Multiple Sclerosis
by AlabamaJammer on Jan 18, 2012 5:58 AM CST up reply actions
Read this entire thing while high...
Not really… But seriously.
Winning....
by big DUB on Jan 18, 2012 1:16 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Dre
smoking pot does not equate to a blemish on his character. His judgment, yes, but his character, no. A misdeed is simply that. A pattern of misdeeds might mean there are character issues. Besides, maybe he didn’t inhale.
by AfricaMike on Jan 18, 2012 7:50 AM CST via mobile reply actions
To us, maybe.
NFL execs may disagree.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
man there are some really terrible opinions in this thread.
and this might be the worst of them.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
by Mr. Abe Froman on Jan 18, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
OK, settle down doomsayers
While this was obviously not a good decision … seriously Dre??? … 20 grams is less than a half ounce, and a half ounce is about the size of a PB&J in a sandwich bag. That’s a misdemeanor amount, not felonious possession with intent to sell. Sorry moral high grounders, but the amount matters.
To my knowledge, Dre has never failed a drug test or been arrested for any other reason. This also matters. While he may fall in the draft, if he interviews well, performs well at the Combine, and obviously stays out of trouble between now and Draft Day, he should still be a mid-first round pick.
"That rug really tied the room together."
So thats what crunked up means.
Jeez, just get on with it and leagalize the stuff.
Proud mini-Saban.
After reading some of the comments, I conclude in the haughtiest manner possible...
That 93% of you are Godless, skeevy stoners who should face good justice on the high seas posthaste!
KIDDING. Unfortunately, I am law enforcement and for the record, I couldn’t give a shit less who tokes or when. Imagine how much more interesting sight seeing announcements would be if the pilot chiefed a big phatty shortly before takeoff? SeewhatI’msayin? Okaaay then.
(sent from work… come git me coppaaaahz!)
9th January, 2012: Section 101, Row 1, Seat... I'll let y'all spot that one.
"And a crashin' blow from a huge right hand
Sent a Louisiana fellow to the Promised Land"
-- "Big John" by Jimmy Dean
by TiderUpNorth on Jan 18, 2012 6:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
No prob, but this job is soul-killing. I want a bong'n a blintz, pronto!
9th January, 2012: Section 101, Row 1, Seat... I'll let y'all spot that one.
"And a crashin' blow from a huge right hand
Sent a Louisiana fellow to the Promised Land"
-- "Big John" by Jimmy Dean
by TiderUpNorth on Jan 19, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
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