Recruiting: T-Minus 14 Days and Counting!
by Bamapride on Jan 18, 2012 1:30 PM CST
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With just 2 weeks left before the Feb 1 signing day, here are some updates:
The Tide sit at the top team ranking in Scout, Rivals and ESPN. Usually the Tide fair well in one or two, but this is the first time I can remember landing all three at the #1 ranking. This class has a BOATLOAD of talent to rival the 2008 class. Of course we have to see how it plays out on the field, but Saban has a very strong track record to date for translating potential into on-field production.
This will probably go down as one of the less dramatic (please no CK or BC type drama!!!) signing days unless there's some last minute shuffling due to signings we weren't expected to get.
FSU seems to be in the mix much more during the last 2 years with the 2012 class having the 2 biggest prospects probably making a signing day decision between the Tide and the Noles'.
1) Jameis Winston QB (current FSU verbal) - still being HEAVILY pursued by Bama and will have an in-home visit from the Saban coaching contingent, including the new OC. I still have this one as a long shot, based on his comments about bonding with the other FSU verbals at the UA All-America game - but who knows.
2) Eddie Goldman DT - A primary need for the Tide with the loss of Josh Chapman, all reports point to Goldman being a man child who can contribute immediately. He runs a 5.05 40 at 6'4" and 315 lbs. The other FSU vs. Bama battle.
3) Korren Kirven DT - Another DT who seems to be a late pursuit, could lead us to believe that Goldman is cooling on Bama. Another interesting tidbit is Kirven deciding between TN, Va Tech and BAMA. Kirven was hosted by TN last Sunday by one coach Lance Thompson. As I am sure most are aware, it has been speculated that Thompson is headed back to Bama.
4) Dorial Green-Beckham WR - Looking to be an ARKY, Mizzou or TX decision. If he's smart he'll play SEC ball as the jury's still out on the 'Horns.
Newcomers on campus for January enrollment: As previously mentioned in another thread, the following players are already on campus: Ryan Anderson (LB/DE), Deion Belue (DB), Chris Black (WR), Amari Cooper (WR), Travell Dixon (DB), Dillon Lee (LB), Alphonse Taylor (DT/OT), T.J. Yeldon (RB).
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1) Do the early enrollees count against the 25 limit? Do they count back to last year or is there some gray area here? If we have 27 (only one grayshirt confirmed) and we’re still pursuing 4 this has us way over-committed. So how does it work?
2) Are there any rumors of potential non-qualifiers?
3) Who is the “softest” commit?
Sports are a culture's way of getting at 5 or 6 great men... and then assuring that their greatness remains petty.
from what I have read in the past...
1) I think the only advantage for January enrollees is that they get to school early. I have no clue as to how that impacts their eligibility. There’s a 25 limit carried from year to year. If you grayshirt, you are deferring enrollment/scholarship as they haven’t “joined” that signing class. So technically you only sign 25 and the two or whatever # of grayshirts would count against the class/year they actually start receiving the scholly. They would push to count against next year’s class.
2) Darren Lake seems to be getting some press as to “making sure he takes care of his classes.” Other than Darren, grades have been a relative non-factor for this class. We usually don’t hear about that until really late in the process anyway.
As was with Duron – he signed the LOI but we didn;t find out until the season started that he wasn’t going to play.
Talent can only get you so far. Give me a player who has less talent, but the heart of a champion and the will to succeed.
Again, here's the NCAA Rule:
15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
Fourteen.
by Darth Saban on Jan 19, 2012 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
FWIW 247sports has Alabama #1 too
As for drama, I wouldn’t mind some Jeoffrey Pagan type drama. B)
My two cents:
1) Jameis Winston QB (current FSU verbal) – there is an excellent chance that he could go to the MLB a la Desmond Jennings. Reports are that he has a tryout with the Padres today (1/18). Depending on how he does, we might know his intentions a little more clearly. He also bonded with many Tide verbals (Yeldon, Anderson, Ragland) at the Ala-Miss All-Star game. I’m just sayin’…
2) Eddie Goldman DT – a big man 6-3, 310 5-star from Washington, DC. Would be perfect in the Kirby Smart scheme.
3) Korren Kirven DT – very good pass rusher. I have heard he visits T-town this weekend.
4) Dorial Green-Beckham WR – I would be beyond shocked but thrilled if he landed at Alabama.
4) Kwon Alexander LB – word is he is still on the board. Injured senior year but still a 4-star. Was in Tuscaloosa this past weekend for an official visit. Supposed to announce on NSD but did he wait too long?
Fourteen and counting
Wow, thanks for that.
I dream of Beckham but since he’s cleary not going to ’Bama, he better go to Mizzou.
I LOVE THE ASTROS. Now lets win something!
I got some more info on DGB - AFTER I posted of course.
Seems like the Sooners have entered the fray. Some predictors are thinking Hogs have the best chance, but we’ll see.
Talent can only get you so far. Give me a player who has less talent, but the heart of a champion and the will to succeed.
If we get any more commits
we are going to have to “Taylor” someone else and to be honest the press could get bad and hurt us in the future. My feeling is just hold on to what we have and it is more than good enough.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
+1
That’s why I don’t think we Kwon is really in play. My money is on Kirven and/or Goldman. Kirven could be the go to since Jenkins went to GA.
Talent can only get you so far. Give me a player who has less talent, but the heart of a champion and the will to succeed.
Right. If the new rule is already in effect,
then it is 25 from December 1 to August 1. That sounds like we may have to Taylor our classa bit more.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 18, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
I like what you did there.
And agree. The article on Taylor revealed that he, his coaches, and our coaches not only read the articles but the comments on them. Whether one agrees or not with the practice, we’ve still got to manage the media perception carefully.
Sports are a culture's way of getting at 5 or 6 great men... and then assuring that their greatness remains petty.
by zarahoopstra on Jan 18, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
If we Taylor too many players, it
could hurt future recruiting.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 19, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
Let's not continue using "Taylor" as a verb please
We don’t need to give the trolls out there any fuel.
Fourteen and counting
...which would be 'Updyking' them....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 19, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Then
we would have to “Trent Richardson” their asses.
Attempting to remove humor from posts since August 30, 2011
....and then "Natalee Halloway" their ass.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success." -Coach Bear Bryant
"I thInk everybody should take the attItude that we’re workIng to be a champIon, that we want to be a champIon In everythIng that we do. every choIce, every decIsIon, everythIng that we do every day, we want to be a champIon."
-- Nick SabaN
by Tokeisch on Jan 19, 2012 12:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Boo....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 19, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Too much, too soon?
/apologies
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success." -Coach Bear Bryant
"I thInk everybody should take the attItude that we’re workIng to be a champIon, that we want to be a champIon In everythIng that we do. every choIce, every decIsIon, everythIng that we do every day, we want to be a champIon."
-- Nick SabaN
by Tokeisch on Jan 19, 2012 4:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's possible
that some of her family members read this blog…we never know. And she has just been declared legally dead after 6 years. Yeah, I’d say it’s too much. I’m not trying to be a jerk about it, but it’s good to think stuff like that through a bit before posting.
"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy
(Formerly SugarBowl93)
by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jan 19, 2012 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
That right there is a good ol' fashioned mom scolding.
Sit your ass in the corner, Toke.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Jan 20, 2012 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
You can't just string together 5 people's names and call it your favorite.
Sports are a culture's way of getting at 5 or 6 great men... and then assuring that their greatness remains petty.
by zarahoopstra on Jan 20, 2012 2:39 AM CST up reply actions
My favorite is...
…JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 20, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Goldman and
to a lesser extent, Kirven are worth having to “Taylor” somebody. Either of them would be major, major additions. Green-Beckham and Winston would be too, but not at areas of such pressing need…and we ain’t getting Green-Beckham, anyway. Winston is an extreme longshot, and even Goldman I doubt we can land now after Coach Sal’s departure. But hopefully LT’s arrival will counter-balance with Kirven.
This just about sums up my feelings on recruiting...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX6jU_mLTno
"Auburn people are stinky"- my 3 yr.old daughter
by You can call me Al on Jan 19, 2012 9:05 AM CST reply actions
The NCAA has rules against that.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I thought the NCAA was a staunch supporter of the good doctor.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Jan 19, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
FYI: Justin Taylor has NOT de-committed
He really wants to go to Alabama and would be a fine addition. Sadly, he had an injury and missed his senior season. Greyshirting means he would not be able to enroll or practice with the team until December. The kid hasn’t stepped on a field in over a year and he is just anxious to get back out there. I can’t blame him for looking for other opportunities to play.
Unfortunately, Taylor is surrounded by Bama haters who are not making this easier. His high school coach is former South Carolina Gamecock Stanley Pritchett who is running to every media outlet badmouthing the Tide instead of being supportive to his player. Also the AJC is very pro-UGA and they resent Saban signing all these Georgia kids away.
Fourteen and counting
One more point on Taylor
If one of Bama’s signees does not academically qualify, then Taylor will not have to wait to join the team. You may recall this happened to Harrison Jones a few years ago when Belue did not have the grades.
Fourteen and counting
I don't know if that is true.
Because of the SEC’s new rule, we can only sign 25 in a given year. If one of those fails to qualify, I think the fallback is “tough shit”. This is why the cap is a killer. It removes flexibility that we’ve always had in the past.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Jan 19, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
We may not let all of the ones with questionable grades sign...
In the past you could sign these kids and if they didn’t qualify you were ok… Now because of the 25 signee limit, if you lose a guy to grades you essentially lose that spot in the class.
i guess if a guy is borderline...
eligible academics-wise, before you let him sign, I guess you just have to get him in junior college to get his affairs in order, knowing that you can’t sign him until next year, ala Travell Dixon and Deion Belue, and knowing that you risk losing him to somebody else who swoops in and steals the fruits of your efforts. Seriously, with us at 26, if Goldman says “Roll Tide”, what do we do? We have to make room for him somehow.
All great examples of why I think...
that scholarship limits do not, and were not intended to, inure to the benefit of the student-athlete. They were and are a successful strategy by the NCAA to impose an artificial parity on a historically and naturally disparate system, in an effort to increase market share of sports eyeballs.
How does it benefit the student-athlete when they can’t go to the school of their choice? Maybe the NCAA can say “oh, by limiting football scholarships, that means more of the higher-quality athletes are forced to attend less-competitive schools, giving these athletes a greater opportunity for playing time, thereby increasing their chances of playing professionally.” Thanks, Mom.
Fourteen.
well said
The 25 cap will bite us. Just give it about 4 years.
Talent can only get you so far. Give me a player who has less talent, but the heart of a champion and the will to succeed.
by Bamapride on Jan 19, 2012 5:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
...in the SEC.
It’s not an NCAA regulation. Though we all know that noone from other conferences would ever sign more than 25 in a given class.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Jan 20, 2012 7:27 AM CST up reply actions
What about if we go to 80 scholarship limit?
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 20, 2012 7:53 AM CST up reply actions
We're not. That's already been shot down.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
by Slice of Life on Jan 20, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Good.
IIRC, back in the days of DuBose and Tubberville there was a proposal to go from 85 from to 75, with the possibility of 75+20 partial scholarships.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 20, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Kennedy
/hooped
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 22, 2012 6:43 AM CST up reply actions
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