Discussion topic. This video illustrates a point: Cheering for the SEC is done because it is the last socially acceptable way to cheer or the south..... DISCUSS!!!
(Me, i couldn't help but get chills when all the championships went by.)
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Am I a redneck for getting chills from that video?
by callmedeaconblues on Jan 25, 2012 11:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeee Haaaaa!
Anytime I hear “Dixie” I get chills.
Great video, maybe could have toned down the boog exposure and it would have been better.
Signed:Redneck and proud of it.
Roll Tide!
And on the 8th day God created Alabama,,,RTR!!!!!!!!!
I'll let Stewie answer you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVt4B9ubAIg
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
maybe you would have preferred a rap song....
about murdering cops and b!tches?
And on the 8th day God created Alabama,,,RTR!!!!!!!!!
At the same time?
/headasplodes
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 28, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I like the song but unfortunately
if is tied to the Confederacy and that ties it to slavery and that ties it to racism. Considering that many of the athletes in this video are direct descendents of former slaves I sort of doubt they would appreciate the video. Which in turn makes me like the video not so much.
But, I do like the song Dixie and if you listen to the words there is nothing there about the Confederacy, slavery and racism. It is just what it has come to symbolize.
And the whole Confederacy is a tough one for me too. I totally believe a state should be able to leave the Union if it so desires…obviously Mr. Lincoln would disagree. But, it is just that they left primarily over slavery and you can’t justify that. If they had left over taxes, or government restrictions on how land was used etc. then I’d fly a Confederate flag outside my house. But the reason they left tainted the whole thing.
So, I think everyone would be better off if we viewed slavery as a mistake made by our whole nation which allowed slavery in the 1st place. Slavery was not invented by the South. The whole nation had allowed it to be legal and the constitution even implies it was legal by counting slaves as what 3/5 of a person or something like that? That it was allowed is a wrong of which the entire country is guilty…not just the South.
But the South decided to take it to the next level by leaving over it. Like I said, i think you should be able to leave but when the South left over this issue it made the South look evil. A sentiment that has persisted in the North even to this day.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Why are you so negative?
It seems like everything offends you. You must really be a very depressing person to be around.
5+0+2+6= Asshole
"Two things were certain in our household: Alabama football and church on Sunday. We were raised to believe in God and root for anyone that was playing against Auburn" Pam Swinney
Seriously?
You’re joking, right? Your post is the only ‘Asshole’ comment I’ve found on this thread…unless you forgot to use the special sarcasm font.
What is negative about his post, anyway? It simply sounds like a sober assessment of some of the issues that define us as Americans, and/or southerners, and or African-Americans.
Man, I hope you were kidding.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 26, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
cool out buddy
In an industrial society which confuses work and productivity, the necessity of producing has always been an enemy of the desire to create. - Raoul Vaneigem
take this job and shove it - Johnny Paycheck
by tempebamafan on Jan 29, 2012 2:41 AM CST up reply actions
if is tied to the Confederacy and that ties it to slavery and that ties it to racism.
Wrong…SOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong.
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Not trying to hijack anything.
But do you seriously think that to about 90% of this country the Confederacy is not tied to slavery?
And, do you seriously think that slavery is not tied to racism? If not, why did we not make any white people slaves. I mean we could have caught plenty of white people in po-dunk countries like Iceland or Belgium and dragged them over here and made them slaves, could we have not?
I know you’d recognize that many of our Sat. heroes are descendants of former slaves, do you not?
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
by 5026 on Jan 26, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok. Understand the sentiments but this is catechretic
Slavery and Racism are not intrinsically tied. Slaves were first and foremost free labor and they only became Africanized in the Americas when making the natives slaves didn’t work out (see the history of Columbus in the West Indies, Bartholemew DeLaCasa, etc).
Slavery long preceded the idea of race as we know it and race as we know it is more a product of slavery than the other way around.
Finally, language is intrinsically fluid and transforms via context. The video is a recontextualizing that posits Dixie as a football power, not a white supremacist power. While it would be naive to dismiss that some will unavoidably attach slavery to the song, the song does NOT have to be, nor should we demand that it remain a static symbol linked to a particular narrative of a temporal spacial domain (as in the 19th century slave system).
If R-Kelly sings “radio don’t take the nigger out [of] this song” then we should respect the linguistic context articulated by him and his audience. (He actually has a sounder sense of linguistic theory than say, Al Sharpton, who would try and censor him and keep that word metaphysically frozen). While I’m not saying we have to put up with any speaker’s use of language, we should be weary of what we are doing when we impose one context onto another. Communication is a wrestling match of metaphor.
Lastly, as C. Van Woodward put it. The Old South was a very diverse culture that allowed their entire way of life to become symbolized by one of its institutions— its economic one (reliant upon slavery). When we tie our identities to ephemeral economic systems we have already determined our fate. I would add, when we tie our identities to ephemeral linguistic symbols our fate is equally doomed. Perhaps more so.
Sports are a culture's way of getting at 5 or 6 great men... and then assuring that their greatness remains petty.
by zarahoopstra on Jan 26, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
The fact that having natives as slaves didn't work out
does not mean that slavery wasn’t a racist institution. As 50 says, the English didn’t capture a bunch of Spaniards and make them slaves. They brought Africans, at least in part because they saw them as uncivilized and something less than human.
God bless our Dark Lord.
Agreed, it was racist (in the Colonial Period)
But I think it’s really important to point out that race was largely a creation of that period. There is British literature found in that period describing the Irish as a ape-like people (large brow-ridges and long arms). This psuedo-scientific notion of race at the time was mapped on to nearly anyone people wanted to exploit.
And actually, the Spaniards were enslaved (see the Moor invasion) as were many other Europeans and Americans (see the Barbary wars). These things are not as simple as our simplified re-telling (and recreating) history has made them out. It’s obvious that racism correlated in America with slavery. I don’t think that point helps much anymore. We should be looking at the WHOLE history of it, which would help us understand how power works (and how ideas like “race” are created and exploited in the first place)
Sports are a culture's way of getting at 5 or 6 great men... and then assuring that their greatness remains petty.
by zarahoopstra on Jan 28, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Only in the Colonial Period?
So it wasn’t racist in the nineteenth century?
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 30, 2012 8:23 AM CST up reply actions
we did enslave white people...
it was called indentured servants. Thats how my ancestors came to America. They were beaten and treated as property…………by people in New York…So yeah I don’t associate the Civil War with slavery and the I Wish I Was In Dixie should not be associated with racism.
Oh and what we did to the Indians was a lot worse than Slavery.
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I know you’d recognize that many of our Sat. heroes are descendants of former slaves, do you not?
Just cause some one is black in our country does not mean they were or are descendants of slaves. Just like the fact im a white man from Alabama does not mean my ancestors owned slaves.
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Very few whites owned slaves
but unless a black man recently arrived here from Africa I’d say the odds are like 99% chance he has a slave in his family tree.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
That last part could so be taken wrong.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I think what I'm saying is pretty clear
but I guess a better way to say it is that except for recent arrivals 99% of blacks in America do have an ancestor who was a slave.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I know dude.
Just messing around.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
99% of blacks in America do have an ancestor who was a slave.
Sorry to tell you this but that’s grossly incorrect. That’s like saying if you’re a German that means your parents were NAZI’s or that if you are a Jew your ancestors were in Auschwitz or they were enslaved by the Egyptians 10,000 years ago. That simply isn’t true. There has been a huge influx of African immigrants into this country over the last 100 years. Not to mention the millions of blacks who weren’t slaves during the 1800’s. To say if you’re black your ancestors were slaves is ridiculous.
BTW love ya Fitty and im not trying to be a dick I just think your observation is incorrect.
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by bammer on Jan 27, 2012 8:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s like saying if you’re a German that means your parents were NAZI’s or that if you are a Jew your ancestors were in Auschwitz
What?? These are vastly different statements. The percentage of Germans that were Nazis and the percentage of Jews that were at Auschwitz are very, very small numbers compared to the percentage of blacks in America that were slaves in 1860.
And while I’m sure there have been many African immigrants in the last 150 years since slavery ended, the majority of them have married into African-American families that were already here. So their children do have ancestors that were slaves.
God bless our Dark Lord.
they are different situations but
the comparison is the same. to say that 99% of blacks in America are decendants of slaves isn’t even close to being true. Im sure its in the 60-70% range but not 99.
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There's at least...
…one study that says Fitty’s numbers are more accurate than yours, b….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 27, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Virtually EVERY African-American who is not personally a first or second-generation immigrant
has a slave at some point in his family tree.
God bless our Dark Lord.
Well as far as I know the Kouandjio brothers are not descended from slaves.
God bless our Dark Lord.
Exactly, some people have no clue!
ties to slavery? the song has nothing to do with slavery. people hear the word “Dixie” and go all ape sh!t about racism and slavery.
And on the 8th day God created Alabama,,,RTR!!!!!!!!!
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by GeauxCrimson on Jan 26, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Wow what a post.
My shirt is made of cotton, and slaves used to pick cotton, and therefore I am a racist!
by Patrick Murphy Sux on Jan 26, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
well said dude
this thread just turned out like one of many thanksgivings i’ve been to in my life. one dumb redneck uncle says something insensitive or flat out stupid, my cool aunt calls him out on it, and it ultimately ends in a giant fight with everyone and me realizing most of my family, while still my family, are idiots.
In an industrial society which confuses work and productivity, the necessity of producing has always been an enemy of the desire to create. - Raoul Vaneigem
take this job and shove it - Johnny Paycheck
by tempebamafan on Jan 29, 2012 2:49 AM CST up reply actions
Thank goodness...
…we don’t feel the need to get together with family for every holiday. However, it might serve as effective population control….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 30, 2012 8:24 AM CST up reply actions
Good video...
I’m sorry the song just doesn’t do it for me. Not really a fan. I would like something with a little more “amp” to it….. Maybe Rammer Jammer. LOL.
"I like my Johnnie Walker red and my women bolnde."
- Joe Namath
just to be clear
me not liking the song has absolutely nothing to do with people associating it with slavery.
"I like my Johnnie Walker red and my women bolnde."
- Joe Namath
Kids these days...
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by animalcracker on Jan 28, 2012 7:06 AM CST up reply actions
Well, if heaven ain't a lot like Dixie...
God bless our Dark Lord.
by CarrotTop4 on Jan 30, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Really thought it said soomething about society for a moment
Maybe someone heard the song, obviously about southern pride and instantly connected it with SEC football more or less innocent to the song’s history. (meaning that the prejudice and hatred of a mere 50 years ago are destined to die out of memory in the future).
then i looked at the video and it’s a college assignment on the meaning of chants. oh well.
5-0-2-6=Asshole
Bwah-ha-ha-haw
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"I thInk everybody should take the attItude that we’re workIng to be a champIon, that we want to be a champIon In everythIng that we do. every choIce, every decIsIon, everythIng that we do every day, we want to be a champIon."
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by Tokeisch on Jan 26, 2012 4:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yep, good thing you don't know who I am maybe you'd coem over and beat me up.
Let me just say one more thing and I’ll leave it. I’m a white guy, my family roots are from Alabama and my family did own slaves…lots of them. We had a big plantation up near Florence. But that has nothing to do with me.
I live in South Ga in area where blacks are probably 50% of the people. And yep most of the blacks here did descend from slaves and they know it.
I work with kids…teenagers of both races. A lot the kids I work with have terrible home lives and no dad in the picture. I may be an old white guy but for some of these black kids I’m the closest thing to a dad and certainly the only positive roll model they have.
So, I showed this video to a group of the black teenagers and asked them what they thought. They told me the video upset them and made them sad and even made them feel white people did not understand their life and yep it had to do with the song.
Now I like the song and there is nothing bad in the lyrics. But you know what if that song hurts some kids that have been beat down all their life…guess what I’m just not going to play the song (and I even apologized to them for playing it to them.)
I’m sure they are wrong because they don’t understand the history. I’m sure they need to realize that Dixie glorifies Southern Football of the culture of the South. But you know what they don’t understand that and since they are my friends it just changes things.
So call me names if you want because yeah I think we actually need to consider how it effects other people.
I’ll make fun of Auburnites, but I’m not going do something that I know hurts kids no matter who is right or wrong.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
by 5026 on Jan 26, 2012 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I know it's been said before...
…but Fitty, you’re awesome. Roll Tide.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 26, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Seems kinda ridiculous that a song can hurt your feelings.
Before I say what else I have to say, I’ll start by saying that slavery was an awful thing, and should by no means be taken lightly.
But why do people get upset about things that literally have no impact on them or their lives? I’m Greek, but I don’t get pissed every time someone brings up a Turk and what they did to the Greeks. It has no bearing on me today
by Patrick Murphy Sux on Jan 26, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
You would have to ask a black man why it bothers him
all I know is that it does bother many of the blacks I know.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
by 5026 on Jan 26, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
What if you heard a song that glorified the people who crashed planes into the World Trade Center, or a song that denigrated southerners? Would either of those make you upset?
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 27, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting question.
I didn’t know anyone directly affected by 9/11, so I’m not sure it would upset me per se, though I would find it horribly distasteful. Denigrating southerners would be denigrating me, so I probably wouldn’t like that. Not sure if a song denigrating my ancestors who I never met would really bother me.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
You're asking a different question.
Maybe they would, because those are things that have direct impact in my life. Stuff that happened hundreds or thousands of years ago has no bearing on me now
by Patrick Murphy Sux on Jan 27, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Who were some of our presidents thousands of years ago?
I’m not up on my history….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 28, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Silly question.
Everyone knows that we didn’t have presidents way back then. They were all actors at that time. I may not know all of my history, but I’ve studied up on President Reagan enough to know that!!
God bless our Dark Lord.
I applaud your feelings but too much of the wrong kind of sympathy is not helpful.
We need to toughen these kids up. I think there’s a middle ground of advocating and listening, but balancing it out with some perspective.
If the kids you’re speaking of are like the ones I grew up around, the political and economic system has done a number on them. But even more important are the psychological effects of the media, the way history is taught, and the ways in which “race” is made into some sort of cultish ontology.
I was tutoring in low income neighborhoods when the whole Michael Richards thing happened. I listened to the offense, hurt, and outrage. But I followed that up with explanations of why his ignorant tirade was a pretty insignificant event in the world and tried to point to the things correlating to race that are really a need for concern. Like incarceration rates and sub-par education.
There are many residual social effects from the history of slavery but they will be that much harder to eradicate if we remain slaves to the power of images that have absolutely no intrinsic authority. We need less attention on anachronisms and more on the power structures and narratives that really marginalize vast segments of our community. If you want to play those kids something actually relevant to racial problems of today, just have them watch the next Republican Primary. And if there was a Democratic one, while we might not get the overt racism, we’d still get a “person of color” supporting the same systemic power structure that is keeping minorities poor. There’s plenty to be upset about. This silly video ain’t one of them.
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by zarahoopstra on Jan 27, 2012 3:29 AM CST up reply actions
Fitty,
I too work with teenagers and pre-teens from both races on a very regular bases, and just like the ones you work with, many of mine come from troubled home lives also. I do not plan to show them this video because it is irrelevant to any of my dealings with them, but I honestly believe that if I did, none of them would be phased by the song. I may could coax them into being offended, but I would never do that. I know history is not to be swept under the rug, but I believe it is time to move forward. If any thing, I find that many of the black children that I work with are “racist” against whites. I think this is because they’ve been taught that their great-great-great-great-great grandparents were slaves to horrible white people, and now white people owe them. This has enabled them to feel bitterness towards us, and bitterness is keeping most of them from moving forward in their lives. I care for these children, and I want the best for them, as I believe you do too. I know you have said that you are a pastor, and I admire that GREATLY, so if you really want to get into a song that can offend some people, try “Battle Hymn of the Republic”. Do a study on that one, and see if it should be sang within any church walls.
"Auburn people are stinky"- my 3 yr.old daughter
by You can call me Al on Jan 27, 2012 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
Here's an article on "The Battle Hymn of the Republic"...
and it was written by a black pastor.http://herescope.blogspot.com/2010/11/battle-hymn-of-republic.html
By the way, I loved the above video. Roll Tide!!!
"Auburn people are stinky"- my 3 yr.old daughter
by You can call me Al on Jan 27, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting history about the song.
After reading it, I’m not really seeing why it should offend anyone. Certainly what John Brown did wasn’t right, and I certainly don’t view the U.S. as “God’s nation,” but it’s not much different, really, than the Star Spangled Banner, America the Beautiful, or any other hymn written about the military in times of war or about God being the Sovereign head of this country. I might not agree with all of its sentiments regarding this nation, but I’m not offended by them and I don’t know why anyone else would be, except maybe someone who is really bothered by someone thinking Jehovah is “America’s God.”
As for it being sung within church walls, I guess the verses that reference guns and military camp fires might should be excluded, but the other verses metaphorically describing the power of the truth of God seem to fit well there. It’s certainly written in a military motif, but so are “Soldiers of Christ Arise” and “Faith is the Victory.” Using battles as metaphors is not a call to actual war, and I don’t really think anyone today reads the words of the hymn and immediately thinks of going to war against the South.
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jan 27, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
America the Beautiful
is a song about the true beauty of our country. The Star Spangled Banner is a song celebrating that a fort in Maryland had not been captured by the English. Both very patriotic indeed. Soldiers of Christ Arise and Faith is the Victory are Christian hymns celebrating ones personal defeat over sin through Jesus. They are also referring to the spiritual battles that Christians face. The Battle Hymn of the Republic is a hymn celebrating the killing of Southerners on southern soil. It was written by a radical woman, inspired by the grotesque murders of five innocent men, hacked to death by John Brown. I don’t find it to be a very patriotic song at all, and I do not find it to be fitting for church, unlike the other songs you mentioned. No, I don’t think anyone today reads the words to “Battle Hymn of the Republic” and immediately think of going to war against the South. Mainly because I don’t think many people really know its true meaning. But as a Southerner, I feel just as strongly about that song as some say people may feel about “Dixie”. But hey, we are both entitled to our opinions, and we are both free to share them. That is what makes our country so great.
"Auburn people are stinky"- my 3 yr.old daughter
by You can call me Al on Jan 27, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Just to be clear,
I’m not agreeing with her motivation for writing the song, nor with her original meaning for it. I think the words themselves, taken out of their original context (which they almost always are these days) describe pretty well what Christians generally believe about the truth of God’s word, and I don’t have any problem singing them. As a matter of fact, I find it nicely ironic that a song written with such evil intent is used almost exclusively today to promote something so opposite to what she intended.
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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jan 27, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
Hey Fifty,
No pun intended man. I was LoL’ing at the comment calling you an A-hole. Your aight in my book.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success." -Coach Bear Bryant
"I thInk everybody should take the attItude that we’re workIng to be a champIon, that we want to be a champIon In everythIng that we do. every choIce, every decIsIon, everythIng that we do every day, we want to be a champIon."
-- Nick SabaN
by Tokeisch on Jan 27, 2012 9:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
this thread is really dumb
Dixie is a cool song if you’re admiring it as a historical piece, with a heavily saddening image that it represents in hindsight
But defending the Confederacy or even acting like it was legitimate to succeed from the Union because we whites couldn’t hold black people against their will and force labor?
What’s that quote from Annie Hall? “I have to go now, Duane, because I, I’m due back on the planet Earth”
by PAWWL on Jan 27, 2012 12:34 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
secede
And I dig the Christopher Walken/Woody Allen reference….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 27, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
But you would want to succeed in doing so
if doing so was what you wanted to do.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Suck seed?
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 28, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
wow
It’s just a song let it go.
by TideinOklahoma on Jan 27, 2012 8:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions
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