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The Legacies and Lessons of Bear Bryant and Joe Paterno

Paul W. Bryant and Joe Paterno prior to the 1979 Sugar Bowl.

On this very day 29 years ago, Paul W. Bryant passed away at the age of 69. It is with particular sadness we note this anniversary so soon after the death of Penn State’s own legendary head coach Joe Paterno. In the sphere of college football there have been but a handful of men who can boast accomplishments on par with these two and it’s doubtful any can surpass them.

Yesterday, Paterno’s funeral was held in State College and there will be a memorial service today on the Penn State campus. These events have already been compared to those that transpired in January 1982 to mark the passing of Bryant. That should be expected.

There are striking similarities between the two legendary coaches that exceeds the simple parallel of longevity. Bryant and Paterno’s histories are bound together by a multitude of fateful connections and epic football games. Commenting on the congruity has been a staple of sports columnists the past several days.

As Alabama’s head coach, Bryant faced Paterno on the opposite sideline five times – four times as Penn State’s head coach and once as a Nittany Lions assistant. All of the games proved to be memorable, several of them classics and at least two of significant historical significance.

Despite these connections and similarities, it is a great mistake to conflate the legacies of these two coaches. That’s an easy mistake to make due to the immense shadows they both cast over a sport that, in many significant ways, they defined for almost everyone else that followed them.

There may also be clues in the long difficult struggle to cope with the loss endured by Alabama a quarter century ago that can help Penn State navigate the painful journey ahead.

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Paterno’s passing is a moment of great loss to his family and to the university he came to symbolize. The personal connection many have for the school is almost indivisible with their personal feelings toward the longtime head coach.

It is also a huge loss for college football as Paterno was one of the last living connections to an era that paved the way for the modern game. An era that included Bryant and his contemporaries. The sport today would be dramatically different if there were no Joe Paterno.

Bryant also embodied all of these things for his team, his school and the sport as a whole. At the time he died he was a towering figure in college football just a few years past some of his greatest triumphs (one of which coming at the expense of the Nittany Lions). Despite his age and clearly declining health, his death came unexpectedly just weeks after he had stepped down from leading his beloved football team.

There was also something else in Bryant’s death that made it resound further across the region as a whole and although it derived from his achievements on the gridiron, it certainly transcended them.

Bryant's rise from depression-era poverty in rural Arkansas to a standout player on a national champion team and then to the pinnacle of success as the most successful coach in the sport was a story that resonated throughout the south. Its facts appealed to a larger myth that resonated across the region.

Historian Charles Reagan Wilson examined this aspect of Bryant’s impact in a 2007 essay "The Death of Bear Bryant: Myth and Ritual in the Modern South." He described the funeral service and procession for Bryant as archetypical of a type common in the south but magnified immeasurably in effect due to the coach’s wider cultural significance.

"The Bear Bryant myth is a success story. A rags-to-riches tale told in the southern vernacular," Wilson explained. "Southerners made him into a modern saint of a civil religion."

This effect is sometimes overlooked today since the mores of the southern society that made Bryant such a compelling figure have changed so dramatically in the three decades since his death. The Alabama faithful still revere his memory but the rest of the south has forgotten they once did as well. While many fans of other southern schools today may be unmoved by what Bryant represented, their grandparent almost certainly were not.

Paterno's passing, for all its emotional power, lacks this symbolism. This in no way suggests the former Penn State coach is in any way inferior to Bryant either as a coach or a man beloved by his peers, his colleagues and the fans who admired him. It simply notes they carried a different mythological baggage.

If there is a way Paterno's legacy carries a symbolism beyond football itself it is of him as a champion of an ideal that athletics and academics must be balanced to allow for men to live a fuller and more satisfying life. He called it "the Grand Experiment." His ability to not only insist on this idealistic credo but to succeed wildly with it has a dramatic appeal that exceeds the devotion of Penn State's devotees.

Yet this is a universal idea, not a dramatic representation of the desires shared by a specific region. It resounds with who we are as people, not the specific aspect of our identity that binds us with a particular group. It inspires admiration and possibly emulation, but not devotion. And Bryant's mythology certainly evoked the latter. Assuming they are equivalent is to grossly misunderstand both.

What is clear is the loss of such a titanic figure as Joe Paterno is something that Penn State will struggle with for some time. Alabama can certainly attest to this. Bryant’s death still reverberates in the both the football program and the university today. At the time the impact of the loss was immeasurable and while there were hopes the team and the school could move forward without him, it took years for normalcy to return.

The experience in Tuscaloosa suggests that State College will find moving forward without Paterno will be neither easy nor quickly accomplished. Cecil Hurt, the dean of Alabama football sportswriters, makes this very point in his column on Paterno’s passing yesterday.

The logic involved here is as brutal as it is simple: the odds of another coach successfully navigating both the demands for wins on the field and the need to measure up to the achievements of the predecessor off it are almost impossible.

Alabama’s first coach after Bryant was Ray Perkins. He was one of the family. He was a key part of Bryant’s 1965 national champion team and had earned a solid reputation as a coach on his own terms. Most importantly, he carried his patriarch’s blessing as he took up the mantle.

Yet Perkins’ efforts to define himself in terms completely separate from Bryant struck a fanbase still in mourning as insensitive and even disrespectful. As Hurt noted, nothing embodied this more than his decision to dismantle the tower on the Alabama practice field that Bryant had used for so long to watch over his teams.

Even a ten-win season and the program’s first victory over Notre Dame wasn’t enough to quell the dissatisfaction. He left for the pros.

So Alabama went the complete opposite direction and hired Bill Curry, a complete outsider. This was even worse. Despite his best efforts – he returned the tower to the practice field – he seemed to have a tin ear to how the fanbase felt and an inability to respond to them. He also couldn’t beat Auburn.

Even a ten-win season and a SEC Championship wasn’t enough to quell the dissatisfaction. He left for Kentucky.

It was only then that Alabama turned the man who would resolve all these concerns and both restore the Crimson Tide to its winning ways and also help put Bryant’s tremendous legacy in the past. In retrospect Gene Stallings was the perfect choice to succeed Bryant but that kind of hindsight overlooks the disarray and uncertainty that followed with his passing.

Upon his retirement as Alabama’s head coach, Bryant retained his title of Athletic Director. His intention was to guide the university through the transition of his long tenure in power to the next. With his death that plan was rendered moot. The power vacuum within the administration of the university was immense and there was no one even close to Bryant’s stature to fill it.

The result was a large number of people vying for influence on the course of the football program and, by extension, the university as a whole. Even assuming all of these people were acting in the best interest of the team and the school, the sheer number of conflicting voices lead to disarray.

The hiring of Gene Stallings quelled this within the football program for a time, but it was not until the arrival of Robert Witt that this underlying problem was finally resolved. That was a full two decades on from Bryant’s departure.

Lastly, there is an aspect of Bryant’s history that may prove instructive for understanding Paterno’s legacy in light of the ongoing revelations of the Jerry Sandusky scandal. The disclosures contained in the grand jury report last November lead to Paterno’s firing and the horrific nature of the accusations have charged the discussions of his legacy. Here again, there is an aspect of Bryant’s legacy and how Alabama has grappled with its import that might prove instructive.

There were several controversies that marked Coach Bryant's career closest thing to the Sandusky scandal is Coach Bryant's history in terms of segregation.

Alabama was one of the last schools in the country to integrate its football team. It was not until 1971 that a black player - John Mitchell - represented the Crimson Tide on the football field as a starter. (Paterno and Penn State, it should be noted, played a key role in Alabama’s process of integration and Bryant’s efforts to achieve it.)

Some credit Bryant for his ability to navigate the treacherous issue of segregation during the turbulent events that consumed the state during the Civil Rights struggle. Others feel he is to blame for not using his considerable influence to take a more active effort to bring the change about. The debate between the two positions remains heated and contentious.

Historian C. Van Woodward argued that Bryant represented southerner’s aspirations of overcoming the guilt of segregation, the limitations of rural poverty and the ability to overcome the historic defeats the region had endured.

Journalist David Halberstam, who covered the Civil Rights movement as a reporter for the Nashville Tennessean, insisted Bryant was morally complicit in the endurance of segregation in the region and, by extension, the horrific abuses that occurred in its name. In his essay referenced above, Historian Charles Regan Wilson derides Bryant's symbolism as "a harbinger of a Biracial south" as a conscience-soothing aspect of his myth for southern whites.

Where, exactly, the truth lies in these allegations is difficult to judge. Bryant's masterful ability to disguise his intentions and use the media for his specific intents clouds the matter even further. Yet no matter what your personal opinion on it, the fact is you cannot properly discuss Bryant's legacy without addressing the topic of segregation. It's an integral part of what defines him for the coach he was.

These polarized views ring painfully familiar in the wake of Paterno’s passing. The sheer magnitude of the coach’s achievements on the field and the manner he accomplished them clearly demonstrate the value of his legacy. Yet the absolute horror at the crimes that allegedly occurred on his watch and the questions of how much responsibility he must bear for allowing them to continue are certain to persist.

Obviously, by the time Bryant died, the civil rights struggle was part of history. There had been more than a decade of time to grapple with its horrors and attempt to reconcile those events in an effort place them in a context that allowed progress to the future. Paterno's passing comes while the Sandusky scandal is an open wound and, as the investigation is continuing, we cannot even say with any certainty how deep it cleaves.

If Bryant’s example holds true it is likely to be decades before we can step back far enough to judge these things with cold objectivity and, even then, there is not likely to be any simple answers waiting to be divined. Instead, grappling with the troubling moral arithmetic will become the last enduring lesson of Paterno’s legacy.

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Interesting thoughts on Joe Pa and Bear

and well said. For my part, as you cannot talk about Bryant and not discuss segregation, you will not be able to talk about Paterno and not discuss the stain on Penn State which happened under his watch. History will judge which man was more in error in those ways.

As for myself, I tend to shy away from judging those from one age by standards of another. By that measure, I can give Bryant more of a pass for being a product of his time, even as he managed the transition from one age to another. As for Peterno, considering the huge scandal with the priest abuse which had much ado up in PA, I cannot think he could have failed to know the moral implications of what happened. How much he knew is an open question and one I’ll not judge. The fact that it happened at HIS Penn State, with a man who was considered his heir, is not something anyone can gloss away.

All that being said, I would also like to point out that before Bryant, there was still Alabama football. In that way, Paterno casts a larger shadow than Bryant at their respective schools, as Paterno built PSU football from nothing in a way Bryant did not. I am wondering if the final year of Paterno’s tenure and the scandal which happened might not help the alumn turn the page more easily that we were able to at Bama. For the sake of my PSU friends, I hope so.

"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca

by NJBammer on Jan 26, 2012 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

There HAD been Alabama foot all . . . In the past

But remember, Alabama won 4 games total in the 3 years before Bryant arrived. That programl was nothing.

by glen55 on Jan 26, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Coach, Bob Hope & Billy Graham is the picture

You are talking about, I think.

A lot of people were more fans of Coach Bryant than Alabama Football.

by Talabama on Jan 26, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

No Billy Graham

In the one I’m talking about.

by glen55 on Jan 26, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Great pix!

"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant

(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1

Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.

by the thin red line on Jan 27, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Great comment

"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"

"Pep talks... only work when they touch that ember of truth learned the hardest possible way on the field.-Kleph

by thecalicocat on Jan 26, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

heres the link

the photo you were referring to with Bear and Bob Hope…found it!!
http://photos.al.com/birmingham-news/2010/01/bear_bryant_and_bob_hope_graha.html

great shot, and ur right, Bob Hope looks totally star-struck….

by sprizzle2182 on Jan 26, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, that's not it

They were standing in a hallway, and nobody else that famous was in the picture. Hope looked even more star-struck.

I don’t think I dreamed it. It was in the News the day after the Hope gig in Memorial, so I’m sure IRS in the News files.

by glen55 on Jan 26, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

It woulda been . . .

The Sunday paper, September 19, 1971.

by glen55 on Jan 26, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Is this it?


B)

Fourteen and counting

by CB969 on Jan 27, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

That's probably it

But in case it isn’t, I emailed the mods at Tidesports and asked ’em to have a gander at the 9-19-71 paper in their files.

by glen55 on Jan 27, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Is the Bear going to a disco?

"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant

(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1

Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.

by the thin red line on Jan 27, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that a Cadillac on the front of his belt?

9th January, 2012: Section 101, Row 1, Seat... I'll let y'all spot that one.

"And a crashin' blow from a huge right hand
Sent a Louisiana fellow to the Promised Land"
-- "Big John" by Jimmy Dean

by TiderUpNorth on Jan 28, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

glen55 these words were pure poetry and a great description of Coach Bryant

Big, burly and prepossessing, with a stern, wrinkled Face Of God that could suddenly and unexpectedly burst into a dazzling smile; the unique, powerful bass drawl; the 1000-yard stare right through you if you displeased him.

Please have a well earned rec

Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is. - Josey Wales

by The GTO Judge on Jan 26, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

One story...

…that often gets repeated is that John Wayne actually based his on-screen accent and persona on Coach Bryant after meeting him. John. Freakin’. Wayne.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jan 26, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

John Wayne couldn't carry Jimmy Stewart's jock...

one of them played heroes on screen, while the other one was a hero.

Fourteen.

by Darth Saban on Jan 26, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

General Jimmy Stewart enlisted as a private

in WWII and by the end of the war had been promoted to Colonel. It had nothing to do with his acting skills or acting career which was well on its way before the war. He later made General and even flew in Vietnam while in his 60’s.

John Wayne did not fight in WWII although he was slightly younger than Stewart. I think he tried to get in but was turned down. However, he was very patriotic and helped with the war effort with films and visiting the troops etc.

In my mind both were heroes although Stewart had more success in military service. Probably the main reason Stewart could get into the military was that he was a pilot before the war and we needed pilots.

If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.

by 5026 on Jan 26, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Politically I’m on the left.

And I will always admire John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart for their acting and their sincere patriotism and conservatism. I’d say Wayne and Stewart are my favorite conservative actors, while Gregory Peck and Henry Fonda are my two favorite liberal actors. Fonda and Stewart both abandoned their acting careers to serve in WWII. Despite their political differences, they were best friends.

In the old days, only the Duke could be the Bear. I wonder, if we had a miniseries on the Bear today, a film would be too short, who would we choose to be the Bear?

"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant

(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1

Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.

by the thin red line on Jan 27, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you for sharing this.

"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant

(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1

Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.

by the thin red line on Jan 27, 2012 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

That must have been one helluva a disagreement!

To be honest, not being a college basketball fan at all- I really don’t know that much about Dean Smith. I’m sure he has his good points, however- The Bear? Let’s just put it this way: in my family, we go to great lengths to talk about Bear Bryant, football, Jesus, and manners (sometimes in that order, except on Sundays) to all the younger ones TO THIS DAY.

I simply loved this comment from you. Way to go glenn55!

by BixBeiderbecke on Jan 27, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

BAMACHICK

brought tears to my eyes and goosebumps on my skin…when talking strictly about football, all scandals aside, there aren’t 2 bigger men then Bear and JoPa…and deservingly so…looking back the way society is now did Bear look racist?? a little, was he out of line and totally off his rocker? no, he was southern man from a different time, period….was JoPa a pedophile?? DEF NOT…he was an 85 year old man from another time as well…i fully believed him when he said that he had never dealt with ne thing like that before…Colin Cowherd made a great point, he said that the way Paterno’s career ended showed 1 thing, that he should have retired well before this and if a younger coach was in his siutation things would have been different, coach saban, richt, pelini, etc would all know how to deal with allegations like that, JoPa was out of his element and in the end i think it caused him great pain and sorrow…i hope that the Penn St fans are allowed to mourn him the way they want to, i think everyone is so affraid to support JoPa bc they think it makes them guilty of agreeing with Sandusky, but loving, supporting, and mourning JoPa doesnt mean u agree or condone what happened to the victims of Sandusky, it means you love a great coach who unfortunately fell from grace pretty hard, i hope that in the end him name can be cleared and he will be remembered for all the good….RIP BEAR AND JOPA…roll tide

by sprizzle2182 on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Nicely done Kleph. Maybe because I work on campus and everyday I pass Foster Auditorium on the way to my office, but the Coach Bryant symbolism is at the forefront of my mind. I hope others do not forget what Coach Bryant represented to the entire South, not just our university. And you are correct in my opinion that JoePa is one of the greatest of all time, but he clearly lacks the mystique or mythical statue of Coach Bryant and always will. That is not a knock on JoePa, but a salute to Bryant.

We live in the city of dreams, we drive on the highway of fire, should we awake and find it gone, remember this our favorite town

by I hate UT on Jan 26, 2012 12:52 PM CST reply actions  

Joe Pa was a good but not great FB coach

For most of his tenure Penn St. was not in a conference which gave them the chance to schedule as many victories as they wanted. Their annual schedule was filled with weak teams. Yet, he was only able to win 75% of his games. When they got in the Big 10, not exactly the hardest conference in America, they only won a little over 60% of the conference games.

Bryant won 82% of his games at Bama and a remarkable 85% of SEC games. And, I would say, even back then the SEC was a great conference.

Paterno only won 2 NC. Nick Saban already has 3, Bryant 6. Winning just two NC to me does not make you a great coach.

What Joe Pa did was live longer and coach longer. Well, for that we can say he was one of the best 80+ year old coaches we have seen…but it was old man Paterno who let the Sandusky thing go on.

Joe Pa really only coached so long because he was trying to get the record and trying to win 400. Well, by 1 he beat out Eddie Robinson, so way to go Joe. However, in doing so he caused PSU to have 4 losing seasons in a 5 game stretch in the early part of this century.

But Joe Pa’s real greatness was supposed to be “The Grand Experiment.” The character he built into his players. Considering that Sandusky was one of his players and considering that Joe Pa himself knew of what was going on, I’d say “The Great Experiment” was a failure.

And, I hate to be hard on the guy but he would have done the world and PSU a favor if he had retired in about 1986 when he won his 2nd NT. But no, regardless of what he said, the whole thing was always about Joe.

I remember when Bryant retired after losing 3 games in a row, not 3 seasons in a row, saying Alabama deserved a better coach. Joe Pa would never had said or done that. Even caught in a scandal Joe tired to set the agenda.

The people up there can worship him all they want. He was not a great man. He was not a great coach.

If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.

by 5026 on Jan 26, 2012 1:45 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

He had a few bad years, but he still averaged 9 wins a year for 45 years. That's pretty impressive.

No, he’s not as great as Bryant, but there aren’t many who are.

God bless our Dark Lord.

by CarrotTop4 on Jan 26, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Wrong, there are NONE who are.

We live in the city of dreams, we drive on the highway of fire, should we awake and find it gone, remember this our favorite town

by I hate UT on Jan 26, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

rec

I couldn’t agree more.

by RexBama13 on Jan 26, 2012 2:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

ditto

"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant

(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1

Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.

by the thin red line on Jan 27, 2012 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

5-0, be "hard on the guy" all you want.

You summed-up the myth about his arrogantly titled “Grand Experiment” beautifully. I couldn’t agree with you more and if anything, my sudden disdain of him intensified when he died and became a candidate for sainthood in the minds of so many.

From his sycophant son, it sounds like dear old JoePa had fluffers and justifiers-galore surrounding him right up to the end.

Once again, longevity is the ONLY comparable facet of Coach Bryant’s and Paterno’s respective careers. But even on that note, Coach Bryant knew when to call it a day and Paterno (in retrospect) knew how to prop-up a nice facade.

9th January, 2012: Section 101, Row 1, Seat... I'll let y'all spot that one.

"And a crashin' blow from a huge right hand
Sent a Louisiana fellow to the Promised Land"
-- "Big John" by Jimmy Dean

by TiderUpNorth on Jan 27, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

the NC argument doesn't mean much

Penn State had multiple undefeated seasons where they didn’t get any respect from the voters in the ‘70s (largely because of their schedule, but still). There’s a reason the college football national championship is mythical.

by Firewillheath on Jan 27, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

So you're saying that Boise St. is the modern equivalent to Paterno's Penn State?
had multiple undefeated seasons where they didn’t get any respect from the voters in the ‘70s (largely because of their schedule…)

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(Formerly SugarBowl93)

by RememberTheRoseBowl on Jan 28, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I was living in Auburn and working at AU's Graduate School on January 26, 1983.

I remember hearing the news of Coach Bryant’s death on the radio. I sat down on the floor and cried and cried. It’s just as sad to me today. I think he was one of those people who will always be missed. I loved being at the University when he was there. Some may mock us for “worshipping” Coach Bryant. We don’t. We love him and we honor him. He wasn’t perfect, but no human is. He’s not just a legend in football. He’s our legend. I love hearing his voice pregame in Bryant Denny Stadium. I love seeing houndstooth used to represent UA. I’ll always be thankful that he came home when “mama called”.

Thanks for the well-written article and the very good points made.

"Basically I’m trying to get the team on my back and we’re going to ride."
Trent Richardson

by Crimsn&White on Jan 26, 2012 4:26 PM CST reply actions  

Great Read Kleph!

We were so lucky to have had Bear Bryant. Was he perfect? No, he was human even with all his god-like awesome qualities. Still proud of him.

Bama's Pluck and Grit have Writ Her Name in Crimson Flame

by TideFanAtlanta on Jan 26, 2012 6:42 PM CST reply actions  

Damn. Well written sir.

That’s a tough line to walk and you pulled it off.
Two great coaches that reached way WAY deeper than football to so many. Neither perfect. Both revered. Rightfully so.

by Acinum on Jan 26, 2012 11:02 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

Very well written.

It took us forever to make the term ″Bama’s Back″ a reality, not a cliche or joke like it has become for ESPN-FSU. How long will it take for PSU? With BOB and Roof,not very soon, I think.

"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant

(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1

Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.

by the thin red line on Jan 27, 2012 12:53 AM CST reply actions  

excellent post Kleph

makes me want to find my copy of the last coach….

In an industrial society which confuses work and productivity, the necessity of producing has always been an enemy of the desire to create. - Raoul Vaneigem

take this job and shove it - Johnny Paycheck

by tempebamafan on Jan 27, 2012 6:18 AM CST reply actions  

awesome job, Kleph, as usual

One thing I wanted to add, regarding the issue of Bryant and racism, as well as Paterno with Sandusky: One could easily make the argument that both Bryant and Paterno were company men, who believed in following the chain of command. It is (probably) true that Bryant could have taken the lead on integration in the 1960s, told George Wallace, the university brass and everyone else to go take a flying leap, and recruited whoever he wanted to play for his football team. But there was also no way Bryant was going to disobey his bosses; remember, Bryant never took a salary more than the president during his career (not that he didn’t make way more money outside of his salary).
In Paterno’s case, you could make a similar argument: He passed the information to his superiors and expected they would handle it because they were his bosses. Should he have done more? I’m sure he’s asked himself that question repeatedly. But he didn’t want to break the chain of command.
Now … that doesn’t make everything OK. But it’s an argument, at least.

by Firewillheath on Jan 27, 2012 1:27 PM CST reply actions  

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