Clarification Needed - Signing Limits
by touncy28 on Jan 6, 2012 10:16 AM CST
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PrintFirst of all, Roll Tide. I had a question regarding recruits and the number we can sign. According to rivals we have 26 recruits that have verbally committed. However, i seem to remember last year the SEC limiting the number we can actually sign to 25. Am I missing something? I noticed we are the only SEC school in this situation, so didn't know if it was going to be an issue. Does anyone know if this rule has been changed?
Thanks,
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That is correct.
You can only sign 25 in a class (although there maybe some loopholes I don’t know about).
"Never start a fight with an old man...if he's too old to fight, he'll probably just kill you."
I think we only ended up signing 21 or 22 last year,
so I think we’re planning to backcount some.
God bless our Dark Lord.
I thought the hard 25 started next year and 28 for this year.
We are going to lose a ton (possibly) of underclassmen so we should be well under the 85 ceiling.
Roll Tide.
The bottom line is that . . .
. . . there are several issues that determine signing numbers (medical issues, transfers, gray shirts, back signings, spring signings, young men changing their minds, etc.) and since we are not privy to most of this personal information, there is no way for us to know exactly how the coaching staff plans to stay within the signing limits.
by toofull on Jan 6, 2012 1:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much this.
Some might enroll in January and be counted toward last year’s numbers, some might not qualify, some might play baseball, some might change their minds. There are myriad reasons for why a 28-man class on Feb. 5th ends up being a 24-man class by August 15th.
Dirty cheatin' Nick Saban will find a way to ruin some kids life
/NYT’d
"If wanting to win is a fault, as some of my critics seem to insist, then I plead guilty. I like to win. I know no other way. It's in my blood." -- Paul "Bear" Bryant
Put away your logic and reasoning
and grab your damn torch and pitchfork.
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Recruiting Numbers
I’m not an expert, okay. …and Roll Tide Roll! But, I do know that any recruit that signs and enrolls early (in January) is counted as a member of the recruiting class the year before. Do not quote me, please, but that is what I read about to weeks ago on a similar blog.
by The YellowHammer on Jan 6, 2012 8:33 PM CST reply actions
You are not correct.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
He is completely correct
in that you should not quote him.
YH, early enrollees can only be counted against the previous class if there was extra room in the previous class.
God bless our Dark Lord.
Yep.
I don’t know how the new SEC rules work, but here are the NCAA Rules.
15.5.1 Counters. A student-athlete shall be a counter and included in the maximum awards limitations set forth in this bylaw under the following conditions: (Revised: 6/10/04, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6 Football Limitations.
15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)
15.5.6.3 Initial Counters—Football (Also see Bylaw 15.02.3.1).
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15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
Thirteen.
I really love how people seem to think this is a dishonest practice.
It’s right there. ^ It’s specifically allowed.
Thirteen.
Thanks.
But one could call it dishonest even if permitted if one assumes the athlete should have the scholarship for the entirety of eligibility. Nevertheless, even in grad school scholarships were awarded pending on funding and your performance.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 7, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
You're confusing the issues.
Backcounting has nothing to do with the term of the scholly.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
And by rule, all athletic scholarships are one year renewable contracts.
It is an NCAA violation to promise a kid that he’ll have a scholly for all four years. You can promise the kid that you will recommend that his scholly be renewed all four years (if you will), and you can tell him that the University has always followed your recommendation in the past (if they have), but anything past that is cheating.
If you trust me, great. If not, let me know and I’ll post that rule.
Fourteen.
So just what is the new friggin´ rule and when does it go into effect?
Haven’t found anything substantive, yet. I thought backcounting and grayshirting were being phased.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 7, 2012 12:17 AM CST reply actions
I've been looking for an updated version of the SEC constitution...
But I can’t find one that has the updated rules from 2011.
I found a report that said backcounting was being eliminated and that it would keep JUCO players from being counted on the previous year’s list, but I don’t know if that means that incoming Freshmen can’t be counted on the previous year’s list if there was not a full 25.
I remember hearing some comments that these rules had some loopholes and were 2nd in strictness only to the Big Ten. Well, I can’t see how you can get more strict than a hard cap of 25. So I think there are some loopholes, but I can’t find any specific info on exactly what those are.
Sounds right.
Also, I don’t think the new rule prohibits backcounting prep school signees.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 7, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
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