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So, why are you against Oversigning?

Here we are in the doldrums of the off-season. With Spring Training months away and the 2012 season so far off that it doesn’t register yet on the radar, what do we as college football fans have to talk about? Well, recruiting of course! Nothing gets the blood boiling like fretting over where some 18 year-old kid is going to go to college, right? Well, the hot topic in recruiting is (and has been for a couple of years now) oversigning. Some people (mainly from the Big 10 it seems) are highly critical of some teams (mainly from the SEC) because of this practice. There are two lines of thought in the criticism of oversigning: 1) it provides an unfair advantage over other teams because oversigning teams bring in a lot more players, and 2) it requires players on scholarship to lose their scholarship to make room for new and better talent. Or a quicker version: It’s not fair and it screws the kids. On the surface these arguments seem like an open and shut case but upon inspection, neither can hold up to scrutiny.

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For those unaware, oversigning is the act of a football team signing more players than they have room for. You see, per NCAA rules, no team may sign more than 25 players in any calendar year, or have more than 85 players under scholarship at any given time. How then is oversigning allowed? Easy, it’s in the fine print. If a team signed less than 25 players in 2011, then they can sign more than 25 in 2012, as long as the extra guys enroll early – thus back-counting their signature to fill up the previous class. Likewise, a team can ask a guy to delay his enrollment until the next year and count against the next year’s class numbers – a practice referred to as greyshirting. That explains the 25 per year rule, but what about the 85 rule? How can teams sign more than 85? Well, that is easily explained as well – National signing day is the First Wednesday in February, but the list of scholarship players for each year is not provided to the NCAA until late July/early August (I’m not sure of the exact date). Example: If a team played 2011 with 84 players on scholarship and had 18 exhaust their eligibility/graduate and 2 leave early for the NFL draft, they roll 64 scholarship players over to the next year, providing a recruiting budget of 21 for new signees (without oversigning). However, the team then signs 27 players (with at least 2 enrolling early to get under the yearly 25 limit) which leaves them with 91 committed scholarships for the next year (seemingly six too many!). Over the next 6 months, one of the recent signees fails to qualify, one guy on the team goes on a medical hardship scholarship (no longer counting against the 85) due to injury, three guys announce their transfers to other schools, and one of the recently signed guys delays his enrollment 4 months until the start of the winter quarter/semester. So you see, even though the team seemed to have too many on scholarship, by the time fall practice starts and the (rest of the) new players arrive, they are right on the number. So even though some critics will attempt to make it sound like oversigning is cheating, it is not (and to their credit, the most vocal/informed critics do not make this accusation – though they may insinuate it). It is important to point out that oversigning is not against the rules.

As mentioned above, oversigning critics use one of the two arguments referenced to attack teams that oversign. The purpose of this article is to address these two accusations and the motives behind them. The validity of these arguments is not really the focus of this article (though I may touch on it a little) – this is a subject planned for the next installment of this series. First I’ll address the “unfair” competitive advantage complaint. Critics attempt to discount the accomplishments of oversigning teams because, while they aren’t breaking any rules, they are cheating by using “loopholes” to gain an advantage over other teams. Not coincidentally, it seems that most of these critics come from teams that don’t oversign. The problem with this is that oversigning is not against the rules. It is very much within the guidelines set by the NCAA. Critics characterize it as a loophole, but it isn’t – why else would the letter of intent allow for the student to begin counting anytime within one year of its signing (if not than to allow greyshirting)? These were rules written to allow a school some flexibility in managing its roster once the NCAA began restricting scholarships. Some nationally known journalists have compared the competitive advantage to one guy using three balls in bowling. How unfair!! Ironically, this comparison is dead on correct, just not the way they intended. The correct analogy would be if two guys were bowling, and one guy refused to take the third roll on the tenth frame (should he strike or spare) while his opponent did per the standard rules of the game. Yes, the second guy is at an advantage, but not an unfair one as he is playing by the rules. What we have here (and in oversigning) is one guy who has put himself at a willful disadvantage. As such, I put little to no credence toward cries of unfair advantage. This is not a valid reason to change the rule - because some guys use it and others don’t. The practice is available to all teams so there is nothing unfair about it. As a side note, the Big 10 has extra rules in place to restrict oversigning. Their teams can oversign by up to three players, but must request permission from the conference office and explain how they expect to meet the NCAA limits, this deals mostly with the 85 limit – and now the SEC has a rule in place to limit the number signed each year to no more than 25, though it doesn’t address the 85 limit. These rules put the conference members at a disadvantage to teams outside of their conferences, but it is not an unfair one. If it is a concern to these conference teams, they should lobby their front offices to have these rules removed so that they can compete better, not try to get the NCAA to adopt their rules. If they feel the rule doesn’t hurt their teams, then there should be no complaint against other schools. Simply put, arguing that oversigning teams have an unfair advantage is nothing more than sour grapes about a team or conference that is seemingly dominating college football.

That leaves us with the heart of the matter. The above dealt strictly with the competitive aspect of the rule. At one time, helmet-to-helmet contact was legal. I could make the same argument I made above about whether or not a coach should teach the technique to his players (when it was legal). The obvious problem with that is that it is unethical to coach your players to willfully hurt your opponent to the point that he is irreparably harmed (this is not out-manning your opponent so that he wants to quit; this is specific desire to injure your opponent). That is not a difficult argument to make. Likewise, oversigning opponents have attempted to apply the unethical tag to oversigning. Their reasoning is that when a team oversigns, it must then cut existing players on the roster to make room for the oversigned class. Their concern, they will tell you, is for the poor, defenseless, student-athlete who has his scholarship and future ripped out from under him to make room for someone faster and stronger. They will tell you that it is morally reprehensible for a school to have 12 players leave the program over the summer when the school is oversigned. They will rail against the schools and coaches who run these programs, all the while touting the poor, often under-privileged athlete who has been taken advantage of. These critics condemn oversigning schools for their forced attrition, while praising non-oversigning schools for their ethical approach. And that is where their motives are revealed. From my interactions with oversigning critics, I would estimate that 9 out of 10 of them do not care about the student-athlete, and it is pretty easy to expose this. As I mentioned above, the majority of oversigning critics seem to be from fans of Big 10 conference schools – notably Ohio State. The most famous of these is the author of oversigning.com, a blog dedicated to exposing the evils behind oversigning (as long as it is at an SEC team – preferably Alabama or LSU). Well, I’ve had several conversations with people in the comments at oversigning.com and some OSU-fan sites. You see, OSU doesn’t oversign (except last year and this year, but that is a different story that I’ll do another day). Since the Buckeyes don’t oversign, they have no need to cut players like that evil Alabama coach Nick Saban. They are very excited about their future, as they should be – they secured the services of a top-notch coach who was able to put together one of the top-5 recruiting classes in the country. To add to their excitement, Meyer was able to increase OSU’s stock in a very short period of time, despite the fact that their class was full when he took over. The Buckeyes recruiting class went from mediocre-at-best to the 4th highest ranked class (by Rivals) in the country in little more than a month. It just so happens that during this same time span, no less than 7 (and as many as 10 if you believe Urban’s quotes) players have been removed from Ohio State’s roster. The same fans who cry out against Saban out of concern for the poor athletes who get cast to the curb because of his oversigning can now be seen rejoicing over the achievements of Meyer – neglecting the fact that their class has come at the expense players leaving. Do they care more for the kids in Alabama than their own state? I highly doubt it. So you see, OSU was able to take advantage of the departure of 10 players over a very short amount of time, and use the vacancies to bring in highly-rated talent. These are the very same actions defined as immoral when done in conjunction with oversigning, but is given a complete pass by oversigning critics because it is not oversigning, not because it doesn’t hurt kids. As such, I contend that these critics are not concerned with the well-being of the student-athlete in these cases; instead they simply see an easy way to criticize a hated rival. Were the player the focus of their concern, they would see the actions at OSU in the same light as they do Bama, and call out their own coaches as immoral. Instead, we hear nothing because the plight of the athlete is not their true concern.

So why are you against oversigning? Are you whining about rival teams with too much talent, or are you being intellectually dishonest with yourself thinking it’s because kids get screwed. Perhaps you are the 10% who really feel for the kids – if so, you need to be more vocal about it and focus your efforts on something other than oversigning, because as Urban Meyer has graciously shown us, banning oversigning would have no effect on making things better. Perhaps you are against it for some reason I have not covered here. If so, feel free to let me know – I’ll take it into consideration.

Now there is a lot of information that I have not covered here. As I said before, this article was specifically to address the motives and validity of the claims against oversigning. In my next installment we will discuss the more specific ways critics make their claims and expose the fallacies there.

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by bammer on Feb 15, 2012 12:59 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

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by J Tadpole on Feb 15, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

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by J Tadpole on Feb 15, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally I think restricting who a university signs

and how many a university signs is stupid and is also bad for the economy. I think your ought to be able to have a max of 125 on scholly and you can sign them all in the same year if you want.

If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.

by 5026 on Feb 15, 2012 1:55 PM CST reply actions  

Why limit it to 125?

I like the good ol’ days of 200+ on roster.

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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Feb 15, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't have a problem with restrictions

but to act like everything the NCAA and the schools do is strictly for the kids is naive. If the NCAA is going to restrict scholarships, that’s fine but they need to leave in place a means to fill those precious spots – else everyone is going to end up with significantly less scholarships given out. In other words, Derek Dooley is right, oversigning is actually good for the kids (when done responsibly) as it provides more opportunity.

by Catch 5 on Feb 15, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

In an attempt to “be fair” the NCAA has actually relegated hundreds of kids to a life of poverty. The only hope kids from the hood have is college. Now, not every kid that gets a free ride takes advantage. But…I know a whole lot of guys from poor backgrounds that played at Bama that would have never gone to college without the full ride that did graduate and get a career and today they are living so much better than they ever would have lived. THAT IS A VERY GOOD THING.

But the NCAA, not the schools, decided “enough of helping people…poor little old Tulsa will never be national champs unless we level the field.” So they supposedly leveled the field, which it still did not, and the result is hundreds of kids needlessly in poverty..

If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.

by 5026 on Feb 15, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm for oversigning...

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by Todd on Feb 15, 2012 2:25 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

DOWN WITH RECRUITING SOCIALISM!

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by kleph on Feb 15, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, we did that back in 2008.

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by J Tadpole on Feb 15, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

This right here is the root of the whole problem:
These were rules written to allow a school some flexibility in managing its roster once the NCAA began restricting scholarships.

It comes down to a question of what the NCAA wants more: parity in football or student athletes educated at the school of their choice. If they were so much for education (as they claim to be), there never would have been scholarship limits placed on the programs – that way, the athletes not only got an education, but got to go where they wanted, provided the coach at said school felt they had the stuff to be on the roster. Now, a kid that wants desperately to go to Alabama may not be able to because there’s no room on the roster, whereas in the past they might have been offered a scholarship because there was more room. That seems quite unfair to the athlete – much more so than an athlete getting the decision that if he/she wants to wait a season they can play where they want to and be on scholarship, due to over-signing.

Let’s face it, bottom line, the NCAA is more concerned with the quality football product it puts on the field making money than with the education and well-being of the athletes themselves. They were the ones who created this whole mess in the first place.

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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Feb 15, 2012 2:47 PM CST reply actions  

100 % correct.

And did they even get parity? I’d say they did not. Yes, you did have a few teams that were always down have a few good years. And UF and Miami had runs but they would have anyway. But has NC State been able to win even the ACC? Has Kansas or Indiana, or Washington St. won a NC, or even come close. Has Miss St.or UK won the SEC? No, no, and no!

No doubt the rule was to limit Bama’s power. Well guess what…WE BACK!!

If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.

by 5026 on Feb 15, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I would say that they have gotten some parity

No way does Stanford beat USC or Appalachian State beat Michigan in 2007 if not for this. Boise, Utah, and TCU probably aren’t busting BCS Bowl games every year either.

by Bamabrave4 on Feb 15, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

If Boise, Utah or TCU won the NC

I’d say parity was reached.

As far as Boise it is a real mystery to me how they take like the #40 signing class and then compete. I think they would be there with or without scholly limits.

Utah, the state is growing and many of the people there want to go to Utah. A lot of their team is from Utah. I think they would be there too.

TCU would not have a chance vs. Texas without Scholly limits.

If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.

by 5026 on Feb 15, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right.
I think they would be there with or without scholly limits.

It has much more to do with the school’s commitment to the program than it does any isolated issue like scholarship limits. I’m not saying that has nothing at all to do with it, but it’s really a drop in the bucket compared with all the other things necessary for a successful program. It takes a combination of monetary donations, updated facilities, commitment to getting good coaches, getting the president and trustees on board, and a thousand other things before getting top talent is even really possible on any large scale, much less make a dent in the program’s progress, regardless of scholarship limits. Get and commit to those things, and the scholarship limits certainly help a bit, but not nearly as much as the NCAA tries to let on.

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by RememberTheRoseBowl on Feb 15, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

The same thing wins that always wins and we just have different excuses when we lose

If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.

by 5026 on Feb 16, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Kansas got pretty close in 2007.

Lost one game against #4 Missouri, who ended the season #3, I think, by a field goal, which kept them out of the Big 12 Championship Game. They and Hawai’i were the only teams that finished that season with only one loss. Kansas finished #7, Hawai’i finished #19, iirc. Weak schedule strength. LSU, MNC, was 12-2.

Fourteen.

by Darth Saban on Feb 16, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

You can cut kids to open up scholarships before signing day

And thus not over sign. This is all about creating an issue to discredit the sec, specifically nick Sagan.

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by Zoltar on Feb 15, 2012 2:57 PM CST reply actions  

Stupid iPad auto fill.

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by Zoltar on Feb 15, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Now, that's funny

and I really hate that auto correct thing as well. It saves me a lot, but also makes me look like a fool at times.

by Catch 5 on Feb 15, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not the dress that makes you look fat

it’s the fat that makes you look fat. Know what I mean?

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by J Tadpole on Feb 15, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Machetes don't kill people....

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by NiceLittleSaturday on Feb 16, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Machete don't text

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by rolltidefromaz on Feb 17, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

It’s OK to oversign

if you are LSU or Auburn. Wrong if you are Alabama.

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by the thin red line on Feb 17, 2012 12:47 AM CST reply actions  

It should be left up to the players

If they are offered a scholarship by a University (such as Bama) even though they could start for a lesser powerhouse, knowing they have an awful lot of talent ahead of them, it should be their decision. To be offered, they obviously have potential to achieve a higher goal at a powerhouse whose program is geared towards developing such potential. These are football players, not rocket scientists (and I am not belittling the intelligence of football players, but overall there is a difference). The vast majority of them would never be able to improve their educational opportunities otherwise. The borderline players, while able to contribute, but not star, would still be able to achieve other goals outside of football. If they have a choice to sit on the bench for four years at a powerhouse University and contribute to possible Championships in whatever form, or start for an 1-11 program, and maybe improve that program to 6-6, shouldn’t that be their choice? Furthermore, the powerhouse University would be much more capable of developing the talent of the ‘borderline’ player.

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by IM4UAinVa on Feb 17, 2012 9:36 AM CST reply actions  

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